Sean Migos

We can discuss judgment if you want. I can state how you have judged Christendom to say religion is false. I can add, how you believe the Org. is false. I could then apply your own words and scripture, about judgment. I would imagine this insight did not fail your motivation to make it a debate. The prospect of judgment falls upon your shoulder not mine. In other words, you have placed judgment upon yourself.
Perhaps by reviewing your written words, it will give you that insight.
Once again, heed your own words to refresh your memory. You claim the Org, to be false. Those churches that follow Christ, to  the letter and in his footsteps receive the same Holy Spirit as the church of Christ. Can you give me an example of which other church runs parallel to the first century church?
The church belongs to everyone who obeys God. I don't consider the church to be mine, but I am part of the church by obedience to God. There is no such thing as a Jesus Witness. Jesus however was a witness to his heavenly father to submit himself with obedience to him. I am, however, a witness of Jehovah. The creator of us all. I am proud to have Jehovah as my friend and creator.
The terminology is different. When we seek the fault of others, we will find them. Imperfection cannot be removed by man, or human condition (absolution). Testing the spirit is an action, which can be applied when we decide to make scripture convince ourselves that we are correct when indeed we are not. This would be the purpose in difference when receiving God's Holy Spirit.
Then why speak about love. You made the point, it has to be a specific human condition in order to follow Christ. How can love and hate run in sync, if not by loving the human soul and hating all that is evil within, humanity.

“We find nothing wrong with this man, but if an email spoke to him....”

Who would run the fort?

This must have been devastating to Rutherford if Bible Students believed he was a prophet. According to the publications. A larger percentage of Bible Students left this suggested prophet. I can’t understand the logic, putting someone so high, then turn their backs on him, if he was truly considered a prophet.
The Watchtower December 1, 1927 pg 355 col 1 par 4
During the past fifty years God has been causing his light to shine with increasing power upon his Word. He has not given his people new truths, but illuminated the truths already given. During that short period of time many have separated themselves from all organized systems of religion and have tried to walk in the way that Jesus and the apostles walked. For a time they made progress; and then many became tired and weary in well doing or thought more highly of themselves than they should think or became lawless, while others became offended. These turned away, so that today the larger percent of those who withdrew from so-called organized Christianity have turned aside and again gone back into the world.
It must be certain Bible Students considered his insight as prophetic just like some considered Russell the wise servant. It’s unfortunate we can’t stop people from thinking in a certain way.
The Watchtower November 15, 1930 pg 342 col 1 pars 1-2
The total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society and now oppose its work is comparatively large, when such are taken all together. These are now divided into many companies, all claiming to be followers of Christ and claiming to be God’s little flock, while at the same time they speak evil things concerning those who are faithfully endeavoring to serve God. They denounce the Society and its work, saying that its activities are due to a man-made theory and that those who go to make up the Society are carnally minded and are engaged in a book-selling business and not in the service of Jehovah.
This can be relative when it comes to those that re-energize the same kind of modern division. We only need, look back to understand why.
 

Thank you for this research. To some extent. One of Mr. Orwell’s prediction was fashioned in 1944 that Russia and Japan would gang up on the USA ending with a Russo-Japan treaty.

Of course that didn’t happen with the super powers. But it didn’t exclude Russia from being part of that power.

The other part. I mentioned to Mr. Rook. The Old George Almanac placed a comic-spin to those prediction.

Orwell’s predictions for 1946, which included economic disaster, resurgent fascism, “civil wars, bomb outrages, public executions, famines, epidemics and religious revivals.”

 

I compare that with authors such as Harold Bloom, Albert A. Berg

 

PAUL R. EHRLICH AND ANNE H. EHRLICH

ON POPULATION

The analysis of the environmental aspects of Nineteen Eighty-Four that follows is in several respects unfair to George Orwell. Anyone who writes about the future knows that precise

Prediction is impossible. One can forecast the implications of current trends on the assumption that they will continue; but the forecaster is always aware that many trends are unlikely to

Continue. We would view Nineteen Eighty-Four as a scenario, a device used to stimulate thinking about the future implications of the present course of society. In that context it was an

enormous success, for, whether it was intended as a forecast or a warning, Nineteen Eighty-Four alerted people to certain dehumanizing trends—some of which still seem very threatening today—flowing partly from technological advances.

 

Then I reflect on the parallels with what is considered predictions. The opinions then become substantive, not as a prophet but with vision.

If Mr. Orwell’s 1946 predictions were just stories, then he was specific about certain events. Mr. Orwell’s books spoke of real power, and spoke negative against England as he saw it as a poor Indian with a humble upbringing. The same can be said about Muhammad. It wasn’t until after he stopped being a cop did he focus in his books. His 1984 book was finished shortly before his death.
I was enlightened with a war time piece he made about WW1.
The fact the ”Old George’s Almanac” attempted to put a comedic spin on that 1946 prediction, still left the reader disheartening.
There is no comparison other than personal provocation. If one is going to debate, then all avenues are critical.
 

Can it be that difficult? Can Jehovah not expose those with evil intent?
 Hebrews 4:13 American Standard Version (ASV)
 13 And there is no creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
2 Timothy 2:16 American Standard Version (ASV)
 16 But shun profane babblings: for they will proceed further in ungodliness,
 You would think, those calling themselves Jehovah’s witnesses would already know.

Is it possible with one of your team? It appears it must be true about Anna, ComforMyPeople, JWinsider, TrueTom, James Thomas Rook Jr to be in the same team. I will accept this group runs the forum. Question. If we are not allowed to vote our conscience, what's the point with the emojis?

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, it should have been understood as doctrinal refinement. The organization makes critical refinements when something new is learned. Witnesses understand such logic. What is unacceptable is a concise view of doctrinal error when a revision is made as an error, much more than a new approach and understanding. 
Hebrews 6:1-4
“Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.  And this we will do if God permits.”
 
There are no detrimental changes other than a different approach to Bible understanding
 
*** w15 3/15 p. 9 “This Is the Way You Approved” ***
A SIMPLER, CLEARER APPROACH TO BIBLE NARRATIVES
7 If you have been serving Jehovah for decades, you may have noticed a gradual shift in the way our literature explains many of the narratives recorded in the Bible. How so? In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. The Bible narrative was considered the type, and any prophetic fulfillment of the story was the antitype. Is there a Scriptural basis for prophetic pictures? Yes. For instance, Jesus spoke of “the sign of Jonah the prophet.” (Read Matthew 12:39, 40.) Jesus explained that Jonah’s sojourn in the belly of the fish—which would have been Jonah’s grave had Jehovah not preserved him alive—was prophetic of Jesus’ own time in the grave.
 
This is what Jehovah's witnesses should be familiar with. Just as Scripture stipulates to think like God, we should think like the Governing Body. Walk a mile. 
I will stick with the understanding provided by the GB. I cannot in good conscience submit to such conjecture from past understanding, with a modern view that removes the value of past generations.  Each generation is unique. 
 

Thank you. Given the preview, here. I will stay out of that club. I don't see anything spiritually uplifting if that is the case.

Thank you for your response. I will continue to hold the Governing Body as seen through the eyes of Jesus, not in reverence but deserving of respect for their hard work and dedication to Jehovah.
I can see the difference with the Holy Spirit that Jehovah lays out for each of us.
1 Corinthians 12:8-10 American Standard Version (ASV)
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 10 and to another workings of [a]miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits: to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
While the Governing Body is a servant that feeds Jehovah’s domestic flock, I don’t believe as you stated that Elders receive the same level of the Holy Spirit as they do.
All baptized and dedicated persons receive God’s Holy Spirit. But I just don’t see where it would be, in particular to suggest the inheritance of that spirit is the same.
Do you think that “women” can be elders?
Romans 12:6-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
6 And having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith; 7 or ministry, let us give ourselves to our ministry; or he that teacheth, to his teaching; 8 or he that exhorteth, to his exhorting: he that giveth, let him do it with [a]liberality; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
I will agree in one point you made. All baptized witnesses should “obey” those that take the lead in order for Jehovah to see the harmony within the organization.
Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.
I have no inclination to disrespect God for the choices he makes in man, and whom he chooses to receive God's instructions.
Can I ask? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Do you believe, as the Bible students did, to have each congregation run independent of each other?
Given your response, I cannot support that kind of man's logic. I will instead support scripture as divine truth.

Question. Isn't that something that is being presented, by you, when the GB doesn't go around promoting themselves.  They are discreet. The reason they are not discreet here is the promotion of something they don't personally claim. 
How would you separate that truth from fiction, here?

Can it be that difficult? Can Jehovah not expose those with evil intent?
 Hebrews 4:13 American Standard Version (ASV)
 13 And there is no creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
2 Timothy 2:16 American Standard Version (ASV)
 16 But shun profane babblings: for they will proceed further in ungodliness,
 You would think, those calling themselves Jehovah’s witnesses would already know.

Is it possible with one of your team? It appears it must be true about Anna, ComforMyPeople, JWinsider, TrueTom, James Thomas Rook Jr to be in the same team. I will accept this group runs the forum. Question. If we are not allowed to vote our conscience, what's the point with the emojis?

I found George Orwell to be an interesting, read. Have you read the clergyman’s daughter? How about Animal Farm, Burmese farm, coming up for air, Keep the Aspidistra Flying.
 Right now, I’m reading “the ministry of truth” in the biography of George Orwell’s 1984, by Dorian Lynskey

A fine example of conjecture and not following scripture. Humility starts with each individual who obeys Jehovah. What kind of humility can be said about causing division among the brothers regardless if it’s out loud, in private or in secret? Since you are being frank about the opinion of dishonesty and false doctrine. I shall be frank as well. How can you be a true witness?
 Honesty determines how to follow Jehovah’s servants. Just like ancient Israel, just like Jesus. Especially when Christ left clear instructions about spiritual leaders.
 Anna and you mentioned an individual unknown to me. Anna mentioned something about a trio. Are you, Anna and ComfortMyPeople considered that Trio?
 
Galatians 6:6-10 American Standard Version (ASV)
 6 But let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 And let us not be weary in well-doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 So then, [a]as we have opportunity, let us work that which is good toward all men, and especially toward them that are of the household of the faith.
 When the Governing Body makes adjustments, that should be a good thing for all witnesses, it’s done in accordance with scripture. When the GB receives enlightenment by God’s Holy Spirit, they communicate it to those that are taught God’s word. Then Jehovah is the one that “teaches” his faith servant, not man as your conjecture implies. Romans 14:11-12, John 15:5-8

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, it should have been understood as doctrinal refinement. The organization makes critical refinements when something new is learned. Witnesses understand such logic. What is unacceptable is a concise view of doctrinal error when a revision is made as an error, much more than a new approach and understanding. 
Hebrews 6:1-4
“Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.  And this we will do if God permits.”
 
There are no detrimental changes other than a different approach to Bible understanding
 
*** w15 3/15 p. 9 “This Is the Way You Approved” ***
A SIMPLER, CLEARER APPROACH TO BIBLE NARRATIVES
7 If you have been serving Jehovah for decades, you may have noticed a gradual shift in the way our literature explains many of the narratives recorded in the Bible. How so? In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. The Bible narrative was considered the type, and any prophetic fulfillment of the story was the antitype. Is there a Scriptural basis for prophetic pictures? Yes. For instance, Jesus spoke of “the sign of Jonah the prophet.” (Read Matthew 12:39, 40.) Jesus explained that Jonah’s sojourn in the belly of the fish—which would have been Jonah’s grave had Jehovah not preserved him alive—was prophetic of Jesus’ own time in the grave.
 
This is what Jehovah's witnesses should be familiar with. Just as Scripture stipulates to think like God, we should think like the Governing Body. Walk a mile. 
I will stick with the understanding provided by the GB. I cannot in good conscience submit to such conjecture from past understanding, with a modern view that removes the value of past generations.  Each generation is unique. 
 

I appreciate your intent of enlightenment. I see several areas of doctrinal error of your own. I can see where the conjecture as JWinsider frames it can easily be applied to you and him. I don’t believe Jesus’s words to be imperfect but the more understood application of Jesus had to deal with imperfect men. Then it becomes a difference of what you mean by your application.
In this case, I will agree with JWinsider, when you and he, state to test the spirit. Jesus meant the spirit of false prophets. Like those Pharisees who knew the law but refused to apply it properly. Those who change the spirit of what Christ taught us, can be summarized by exact knowledge and understanding. These are good areas to test the spirit.
The question I would ask both of you? How did God touch your heart personally to know when the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has changed or manipulated scripture in order to be accused of such?
Where would the scriptural understanding of “having nothing to do with them” be applied to such a tested spirit here? Ephesians 5:7-9
JWinsider earlier comment suggested that all of us are faithful and wise Stewart's with the same consideration of the faithful and discreet slave. I can expand that with suggesting the Elders have the same capability. That was the impression with the comment. 
I don’t know which Bible is being understood here, but Scripture itself has a different take on such understandings.
When I test the spirit within these comments, then I have to honestly remain in Jehovah’s Holy Spirit by not accepting such conjecture, using JWinsider's own words of determination of what is truth and what is made up to be seen as the truth.
Sometimes we tend to focus on one scripture rather than the entire Bible.
This is in effect the reason the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses don’t submit to their own understanding but wait upon Jehovah’s Holy Spirit to guide them.
Given that understanding, people should submit themselves to the letter of Jesus' teachings without having to use conjecture as a format to implement a personal understanding that would change Christ's teachings. Romans 12:1-3
Now I can debate Titus 3:10, but it will not yield fine fruit. I did not enter this site to have endless debates on perception or conjecture as per JWinsider own words.

“Oh mother, tell your children
not to follooooo True Tom’s decorum.
Spend your life in sheer futility,
Battlin’ villains on the World News Forum”
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If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, it should have been understood as doctrinal refinement. The organization makes critical refinements when something new is learned. Witnesses understand such logic. What is unacceptable is a concise view of doctrinal error when a revision is made as an error, much more than a new approach and understanding. 
Hebrews 6:1-4
“Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.  And this we will do if God permits.”
 
There are no detrimental changes other than a different approach to Bible understanding
 
*** w15 3/15 p. 9 “This Is the Way You Approved” ***
A SIMPLER, CLEARER APPROACH TO BIBLE NARRATIVES
7 If you have been serving Jehovah for decades, you may have noticed a gradual shift in the way our literature explains many of the narratives recorded in the Bible. How so? In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. The Bible narrative was considered the type, and any prophetic fulfillment of the story was the antitype. Is there a Scriptural basis for prophetic pictures? Yes. For instance, Jesus spoke of “the sign of Jonah the prophet.” (Read Matthew 12:39, 40.) Jesus explained that Jonah’s sojourn in the belly of the fish—which would have been Jonah’s grave had Jehovah not preserved him alive—was prophetic of Jesus’ own time in the grave.
 
This is what Jehovah's witnesses should be familiar with. Just as Scripture stipulates to think like God, we should think like the Governing Body. Walk a mile. 
I will stick with the understanding provided by the GB. I cannot in good conscience submit to such conjecture from past understanding, with a modern view that removes the value of past generations.  Each generation is unique. 
 

Thank you for your response. I will continue to hold the Governing Body as seen through the eyes of Jesus, not in reverence but deserving of respect for their hard work and dedication to Jehovah.
I can see the difference with the Holy Spirit that Jehovah lays out for each of us.
1 Corinthians 12:8-10 American Standard Version (ASV)
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 10 and to another workings of [a]miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits: to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
While the Governing Body is a servant that feeds Jehovah’s domestic flock, I don’t believe as you stated that Elders receive the same level of the Holy Spirit as they do.
All baptized and dedicated persons receive God’s Holy Spirit. But I just don’t see where it would be, in particular to suggest the inheritance of that spirit is the same.
Do you think that “women” can be elders?
Romans 12:6-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
6 And having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith; 7 or ministry, let us give ourselves to our ministry; or he that teacheth, to his teaching; 8 or he that exhorteth, to his exhorting: he that giveth, let him do it with [a]liberality; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
I will agree in one point you made. All baptized witnesses should “obey” those that take the lead in order for Jehovah to see the harmony within the organization.
Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.
I have no inclination to disrespect God for the choices he makes in man, and whom he chooses to receive God's instructions.
Can I ask? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Do you believe, as the Bible students did, to have each congregation run independent of each other?
Given your response, I cannot support that kind of man's logic. I will instead support scripture as divine truth.

Question. Is that JW only for Jehovah’s witnesses to discuss uplifting spiritual matters or is it the same as it is here where witnesses will come together to criticize doctrine, policy, and the governing body? I don’t want to be part of any unhelpful discussion if I join.

I won’t dignify a response when the opposition believe they have inherited some kind of truth by the God of this world.
Not being inspired or infallible then becomes a different position from the one given by this dedicated opposition. The GB actions seem to prevail on not accepting anything “inspired” by evil works. Can the same be said about the opposition? 1 John 5:19
Can anyone claim infallibility aside from Christ? Weren’t all of the first century Christians infallible? Were they not chosen by Jesus to continue his fine work? I don’t see where this argument can be applied.
I will not hold an endless debate with those that oppose the org. I’m looking for meaningful and structured alliances with spiritually awake individuals.

Thank you. Given the preview, here. I will stay out of that club. I don't see anything spiritually uplifting if that is the case.

Thank you for your response. I will continue to hold the Governing Body as seen through the eyes of Jesus, not in reverence but deserving of respect for their hard work and dedication to Jehovah.
I can see the difference with the Holy Spirit that Jehovah lays out for each of us.
1 Corinthians 12:8-10 American Standard Version (ASV)
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 10 and to another workings of [a]miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits: to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
While the Governing Body is a servant that feeds Jehovah’s domestic flock, I don’t believe as you stated that Elders receive the same level of the Holy Spirit as they do.
All baptized and dedicated persons receive God’s Holy Spirit. But I just don’t see where it would be, in particular to suggest the inheritance of that spirit is the same.
Do you think that “women” can be elders?
Romans 12:6-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
6 And having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith; 7 or ministry, let us give ourselves to our ministry; or he that teacheth, to his teaching; 8 or he that exhorteth, to his exhorting: he that giveth, let him do it with [a]liberality; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
I will agree in one point you made. All baptized witnesses should “obey” those that take the lead in order for Jehovah to see the harmony within the organization.
Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.
I have no inclination to disrespect God for the choices he makes in man, and whom he chooses to receive God's instructions.
Can I ask? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Do you believe, as the Bible students did, to have each congregation run independent of each other?
Given your response, I cannot support that kind of man's logic. I will instead support scripture as divine truth.