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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    It's time to ignore those people and their distractions. Let's refocus on making constructive observations.
    In certain instances, I concur with "Thiele" regarding the need for chronological adjustments concerning the Babylonians and Judeans, particularly in using the Nisan calendar for references in the Bible and the "autumn calendar" for the other. Variations in timing, even if only by months, and in some cases by a year, may occur depending on when a scribe commenced the chronicle or if any errors were made by copyists due to missing pieces in original or copied tablets, leading them to make judgment calls.
    It also agrees with "Kitchen's" observation on calendars.
    The same can be said about who and how ancient scribes used their interpretation of seasons and the stars to make calculations. In some cases, even the kings had an influence.
    You can also observe a similar discrepancy in the Battle of Megiddo. This particular author suggests that it occurred in 609 BC, while others place it in 608 BC. Can I confidently assert that this individual is mistaken, spreading falsehoods, and lacks knowledge, much like an authoritative thug? Absolutely not! I am unaware of the research undertaken by this person or the documents they may have examined or accepted as factual. However, when someone draws conclusions based on flawed research, deliberately restricting or selectively choosing their sources, it is appropriate to challenge such nonsensical claims.  Such a case is Carl Olof Jonsson's research.
    The same theory holds true for ancient historians and scholars as well. While they may have had other reference sources for their work, much of that information has been lost over time. Now, we are faced with newfound knowledge. However, this does not diminish the validity of information from the past.
    If I were to have a negative mindset, I might assert that the author's description of Megiddo in 609 BC is false, and wrong, as a shameless thug. However, is it?

    ABDULLAH OCALAN Hamma Mirwaisi · 2020 - Page 83
    "In 609 BCE at the Battle of Megiddo, an Egyptian force defeated a Judean force under King Josiah and managed to reach the last remnants of the Assyrian anny. In a final battle at Hanan in 608 BCE, the Babylonians and Medes defeated the Assyrian-Egyptian alliance, ending its existence as an independent nation. Still supporting the Assyrians, another Egyptian force was sent in 605 BCE, which met with failure at Carchemish in the same year. Whether Ashur-uballit II was killed at Harran or Carchemish, or even if he survived the battles is not known, but nothing more has been discovered about him. One hundred and seventeen years later, Assyria made a final attempt to regain independence with a large-scale rebellion against the Achaemenid Empire in 482 BCE, but King Darius lI suppressed it. "

    On the contrary, some argue that the battle occurred in 608 BC, resulting in the fatal injury of King Josiah. However, it is important to note that this hypothesis would need comprehensive research to validate its accuracy.

    [History of the Jews - 6 volume _6] Graetz, Heinrich - History of the Jews (1898, Cosimo, Inc.)
    "Hardly had Necho and his army reached the middle of the plain of Jezreel, than the army of Judah barred his way at Megiddo. The Egyptian king, it is said, assured Josiah that his campaign was not directed against the land of Judah, but against more distant territories. Notwithstanding this, Josiah compelled him to do battle. The result was disastrous to the king of Judah, for his army was beaten, and he himself was dangerously wounded (608)."
    Edgar Thorpe, Showick Thorpe - The Pearson General Knowledge Manual 2016-Pearson Education (2015)
    "Battle of Megiddo 608 bce Necho of Egypt and Josiah of Judah; Egyptians victorious."
    Now back to Nineveh, I found this fellow who claims Nineveh was destroyed in 613 BC, and he's not alone. This person also has a book called Norway's Peace Policy: Soft Power in a Turbulent World 2014, lol!
    Genocide, mass atrocity, and war crimes in modern history_ -- Taulbee, James Larry, Volume 1, 2017-Page 2
     
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Even if you deny it, you still adhere to it as your constitution.
    How can someone who claims to be a righteous clergyman and yet behaves like a Pharisee still be seen as trustworthy and sincere? There are many individuals here who strongly embody that statement. Bringing up the reference book "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" is nothing more than empty talk with no real significance.
    How do your previous posts relate to the 1914 closing of the Gentile Times, apart from criticizing Rutherford, a Bible Student at that time? What sets your discussion apart from COJ's criticism and deceptive portrayal? I am curious to find out.
    I am willing to entertain your misguided notions, although it is regrettable that promoting dissenting opinions only serves to confuse the public, rather than benefit them.
    Your criticism of Rutherford's stance towards false religion fails to address the crucial question: Why didn't he speak favorably about it? This point deserves the public's attention. Rutherford was falsely imprisoned due to religious persecution.
    So, what was the Catholic Church that imprisoned Rutherford trying to do with the FCC hearing?
    Federal_Communications_Commission
    Mr. MONAGHAN. May I ask a question ?
    The CHAIRMAN . Mr. Monaghan.
    Mr. MONAGHAN. We Members of Congress-I know I have— have received petitions with thousands of signatures from people who are followers of the radio broadcasts of Judge Rutherford . I would be interested in knowing whether this amendment would help out in that situation . Would it create that liberty of the radio, in all channels , small radio , National Broadcasting Co. , and every sort of company, that has the use of facilities of the air ; would it create that degree of freedom which he desires ? Would it enable Judge Rutherford , in other words , to broadcast ?
    Father HARNEY. Why, Judge Rutherford , I think- now, I am open to correction- but, I think that Judge Rutherford already owns, or his own organization owns or controls two or three broadcasting stations , and they broadcast on forty or fifty.
    But, this amendment would leave it open to Judge Rutherford and his crowd to get a franchise to broadcast , provided the Commission could be convinced that their broadcasts are for human welfare and are in the public interest , convenience, or necessity. Not every man that wears the garb of religion even is entitled to talk religion, or talk for religion on any subject. There have been some men who have utilized the radio simply to sling mud . You can refer specifically to our friend Frank Ford-gone , but not forgotten-whose pièce de résistance and every broadcast was simply sending out calumny against the Catholic Church . He was greatly worried, very much disturbed , because we at WLWL would not pay any attention to him. He called me up, pretended to be somebody else , and called me on the telephone and wanted to know why I did not answer this, that, and the other.
    An effort was made to silence him by blocking his access to an FCC license for broadcasting. Wanting to prevent Rutherford from boldly exposing the truth about deceitful religious practices. However, all of these irrelevant matters have no connection whatsoever to the year 1914, except for you presenting them as a spectacle for your misguided audience.
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    It no longer holds true since it has been demonstrated that the evidence in question is not relevant. Apostates are now attempting to distort the narrative when they did rely on it in the past, such as the COJ.
    The 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar can indeed have significance, but it should not be limited to your incorrect assumption that it represents 587 BC. By recognizing the consistent 19/8 cycle which you deny, we can also interpret it as 607 BC.
    Twisting words and making false presentations to create a senseless argument is nothing short of foolishness. It would be disappointing if the closed club continues to engage in such behavior. There are numerous publications and reference books available that we can utilize, instead of selectively cherry-picking references to support our unfounded claims.
    The topic here is: Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History
    Not what your false narrative thinks about the Watchtower's 20 years. Keep that in the closed club where it belongs. Or you can argue it in Xero's topic.
    Hence, that reference book is perfectly aligned with the themes of the narrative, since I'm presenting the discrepancy with the destruction of Nineveh in 608 BC, not what the reference book says, or you think about what it says about the destruction of Jerusalem in the 18th year of Nebuchadnezzar in 629 BC.
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    I deny any reliance on any chronology, correct or otherwise. COJ's chronology defense is meaningless. The WTS chronology defense is meaningless. I prefer the Biblical stance that "as to the times and seasons we need nothing to be written to us." We don't need to know what secular people have said about the exact BCE dates of these events. The Bible is good enough for me on such matters. 
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Do you understand English along with your fan base?
    Why do you persist in distorting the Watchtower articles like any other apostate?
    1950_Awake
    In this book the author sets forth the novel theory that millenniums ago a skyroving comet the size of the Earth was cast out from Jupiter's molten mass; that this comet almost collided with the earth and Mars on several occasions; that finally this wandering offspring of Jupiter found an orbit of its own around the son and has since been known as the planet Venus. 
    Throughout the book the attempt is made to prove that when this comet passed within the vicinity of the earth it caused the great catastrophes that befell this globe in times past. Out of the ancient folklore of Arabia, India, China, Tibet, North and South America, and Scandinavia, from accounts found on ancient Egyptian papyri and Babylonian tablets of clay, as well as the record contained in the Bible, links of circumstantial and direct evidence are connected together to make a binding chain for supporting the theory.
    The intention behind the Watchtower article does not seem to embody kindness or generosity, as far as I can tell. It is imperative that you cease your behavior and confine your foolishness to the confines of the closed club.
    The question, then, is what theory they used, with reference to Immanuel Velikovsky's book, not the Watchtower.
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    As I mentioned, you can continue to deny it, but that doesn't change the fact that you have used it in the past. Therefore, your defense of 587 BC is meaningless or otherwise incorrect by COJ's understanding of Chronology. Scripture warns us to stay vigilant and be alert for the coming of the Son of God, as he will arrive unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.
    Your dissenting ideas do not align with Christianity as you compel others to believe in your own misguided convictions. What makes it unacceptable to God is not your disbelief in chronology, but rather your action and speaking against the word of God by making it public.
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Not sure what to title this.   
    I think it was around 2018 when I read a news report about a meeting of ex-JWs and non-JW relatives of Witnesses. They met somewhere around Seattle. Several of the attendees supposedly gave reports of suicides among disfellowshipped and shunned teenagers. (And I think there were cases of suicides among those who had suffered sexual abuse either in the congregation or from Witness parents.)
    I'm sure you are right that it was more than just the shunning that drove them to suicide, but they definitely were presenting a pattern that indicated shunning as a key factor. It was likely exaggerated somewhat, but the report indicated that shunning and suicide became kind of a theme, and there were about a dozen such cases mentioned. It's probably a serious enough problem that the WTS is right now trying to address this issue by making changes to the process of disfellowshipping teenagers.
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in Not sure what to title this.   
    I downvoted you, which I seldom do so it behooves me to give an explanation.
    You are so clueless it’s embarrassing to read your posts!
    It is NOT considered “cruel and unusual punishment” to execute people for crimes. It is considered “cruel and unusual punishment” to deny communications and citizenship to anyone, no matter how heinous they break the rules.  
    Humans need the connections to other humans, same as food, water and air. Take Vitamin C out of a human’s diet and he WILL DIE , slowly and very painfully, his body disintegrating and falling apart. 
    The same with disfellowshipping for matters that are not true, clear and present, REAL, emergencies.
    That’s why Jesus gave instructions in Matthew 18 EXACTLY how to do it.
    Do JWs do it that way?
    … not even close.
    The problem is … historically, organized religions and their minions LOVE a witch hunt.
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Not sure what to title this.   
    I find this intriguing from the standpoint of someone questioning their beliefs. Could you please share a compelling instance where a young person tragically took their own life as a result of being shunned, rather than being overwhelmed by the isolation imposed on them by society?
    Hence, should those individuals who exaggerate and falsely profess nonsensical ideologies not be deserving of eternal damnation?
    Should society be condemned to eternal punishment by a self-proclaimed Christian for the tragic suicides resulting from bullying at school?
    https://journalistsresource.org/education/bullying-teen-suicide-social-media-research/
    Understanding the distinction regarding an imbalanced state of mind is crucial. It is imperative to acquire the knowledge of comprehending such a concept.
    I also know of someone who took their own life after being rejected by society for being a member of the LGBTQ community. The term "shunning" should not be misused to promote harmful behavior, particularly when it comes from a religious individual.
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in New Light on Beards   
    OHHHHHhhhhh
    NOooooOoo, 
    a downvote from Alphonse … what EVER SHALL I DO? 
    Just thinking about it gives me the VAPORS!
    ( flutters eyelashes rapidly ….)
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in New Light on Beards   

    …. It just occurred to me!
    The subliminal hidden message with the Norwegian red white and blue “flag tie” is NOT FOR JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES!
    … IT’S FOR THE NORWEGIAN COURT SYSTEM OFFICIALS!
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Not at all. I wholeheartedly endorse 607 BC as the correct date. However, I utilize the dating system from secular history to validate it, rather than rely solely on the Watchtower.
     
    It really comes down to how you perceive Borger and Frame. There exists a 20-year gap where it is uncertain who held the title of puppet King in Babylon. It is important to note that the term "King" carried more symbolic weight than actual authority during that time. Being referred to as a King could imply either an Assyrian or Babylonian ruler. This is precisely why individuals like a "general" or a "governor" who were granted the power to act as kings in public would be recognized as such by the people. Right now, I'm still looking at the Harran tablets.
    "The appearance of Ashuretililani and his unknown Babylonian counterpart in this line made this fragment an important source for recovering the chronology at the end of Assyrian Empire, which was a topic discussed heatedly among scholars for a long time. Borger proposed two candidates for the unknown Babylonian king: Kandalanu and Nabopolassar, but he was not sure who would have been the one listed here.609 According to Frame, what we can obtain from this fragment is only that Ashur-etil-ilani was the direct successor of Ashurbanipal and “someone else was on the throne of Babylonia” (since Ashur-etil-ilani was not given the title “King of Assyria and Babylon”).610"
     
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Oh! Okay.
    Yes, I understand the discrepancy. There are individuals who prefer to rely solely on their own evidence and dismiss other facts, such as, promoting sources like Parker and Dubberstein, and failing to consider the insights provided by Borger and Frame which seems to me, you quoted from. However, it doesn't matter, that individual is incorrect here as well as in his new subject which I won't waste my time on either. There are scholars who argue that Nabopolassar was actually crowned king approximately three years before, and his reign overlapped with that of the Assyrian king.
    Does that mean that Borger believes that the uncertain King could have been either Kandalanu or Nabopolassar?
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in New Light on Beards   
    I try to see both sides of the issue, and both sides and perspectives, so occasionally I think about how the Elders who over 60 years persecuted the brotherhood about the never-ending issue of beards … I myself being called into “the little back room” / “the red room” (some walking out embarresed to tears, with red eyes) / “room 101 (where Winston Smith was tortured with a cage of rats attached to his face) at least five times that I remember, from Virginia to California,Texas, North Carolina, sometimes several times ….. and how these God fearing men of good conscience must NOW feel for having been agents of unwarranted and continuous tyranny that has divided the Congregations, and literally soured the Truth in tens of thousands of Brothers (and their women, girlfriends and wives … destroying, and I do mean DESTROYING the credibility of the Governing Body, and any valuable principles of righteousness they may have tried to impart.
    Whew! THAT was a very long sentence…
    When I was a young man, I would on Fridays after work to a bar with fellow employees and the Client, ( who expected us to pick up the tab on our overhead account) and we all got thoroughly plastered. No matter how drunk I got I never forgot … in fact I focused on … that I was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and it was a great protection , always. After everyone else went home I sat there hyperventilating to burn off alcohol, then took a cab home.
    But, I am rambling …..
    In over 55 years, because of MANY COMMON SENSE issues like “beards” I can truly say as I worked all over the United States and three foreign countries, the Elders were never an encouragement to me, except in Pittsburgh PA, and Lima Peru.
    It will take another 50 years I am afraid, and  soon for me it won’t matter anymore.
    But I worry about the young Elders that grew up watching this all , and were either willing or unwilling participants in this and suchlike tyrannies, including “shunning” as it has been practiced since the 1960’s.
    I suppose I also worry about the possibility that they are oblivious.
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in New Light on Beards   
    Given the rapidly evolving world we inhabit, it wouldn't be surprising if the GB decides to embrace a more relaxed dress code, allowing the use of shorts as early as next month. lol!
    I've seen outsiders come to the KH wearing shorts, and nobody seemed to mind at all. 
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in New Light on Beards   
    Before the announcement, who knows, but after the announcement, he won't need to., lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Trying to nail down 612 BCE as the date of Nineveh's destruction   
    Just an aside, but I find it curious that Daniel is praying about the 70 years and he is told that the greater fulfillment is not just 70 years but 70 WEEKS of years. But that 70 weeks is broken up into two pieces. A 49-year piece and a 434-year piece. 
    (Daniel 9:24, 25) . . .“There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.  You should know and understand that from the issuing of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·siʹah the Leader, there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks. She will be restored and rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in times of distress.
    I don't read too much into it, but there are some commentators who believe that this is a direct reference to the fact that Daniel recognized the Persians were ruling now, and the Temple had now been destroyed for 49 years (587 BCE to 538 BCE). The 62 weeks or 434 years could start counting after the completion of the rebuilding with a public square and a moat. 
    Notice that the Insight book doesn't have anything more than conjecture about the 7 weeks:
    *** dp chap. 11 p. 191 par. 21 The Time of Messiah’s Coming Revealed ***
    The work was evidently completed to the extent necessary by about 406 B.C.E.—within the “seven weeks,” or 49 years. (Daniel 9:25) A period of 62 weeks, or 434 years, would follow.
    Of course, starting from some time within the reign of Artaxerxes for the 434, (443 BCE?) plus the final 7 year week, this way of splitting the numbers can, at best, only reach about as far as the birth of the Messiah 2BCE/4BCE, not his arrival at baptism.
     
    But then again, that might explain Herod's agitation and the magi looking for signs about that time.
    Then again, someone could apply those 49 years to the completion of Herod's Temple:
    (John 2:20) . . .“This temple was built in 46 years (from 18 BCE), and will you raise it up in three days?” 
    But then again, what about those missing 3 years?
    This is not a real suggestion below (for those 49-46=3 years), but, just for fun, it just shows that the possibilities are endless when you begin playing with chronology and "the mysterious numbers of the Jewish Temple." 
    (Revelation 11:1-4) . . .And a reed like a rod was given to me as he said: “Get up and measure the temple sanctuary of God and the altar and those worshipping in it.  But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months.  I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.” These are symbolized by the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth.
     
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    @George88
    Thanks for the reference book.
    I can understand how a straightforward time calculation can sometimes lead to a discrepancy that is not easily noticeable. Even with advanced futuristic tools, it is likely that Babylonian astronomers would have still made errors that are visible to us today. I'm curious to know if all astronomers possessed the same capabilities, or if some simply observed the sky with their naked eye.
    Babylonian Eclipse Observations from 750 BC to 1 BC _ Peter J. Huber and Salvo De Meis_2004
    2.5 The statistics of the lunar eclipse timings
    After elimination of a few gross errors (they are identified in Section 2.11), some 154 useable measurements of time intervals remain. Among them are 49 timings relative to sunset, 3 to moonset, 27 to sunrise, 2 to moonrise, and 73 relating to phases (20 onset, 20 totality, 13 clearing, 20 total duration). Incidentally, the ancient observers were somewhat negligent and confounded the times of sunrise and moonset, when the Moon set eclipsed (eclipses of -406OCT21, -352NOV22, -79APR11).See Figures 1 and 2 for plots of the residuals (observed minus calculated values) against chronological time and against calculated values. Calculations were based on ST82f, with shadow changes as in Table 2.
    Before about the year -561, i.e. the end of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign, almost all eclipse timings, except the very shortest ones, seem to have been rounded to the nearest multiple of 5º. Afterwards, other integer values are used freely, with only a slight preference for multiples of 5. However, this improvement of recording precision apparently was not accompanied by an improvement of measurement accuracy, and during the entire period under investigation, rounding to the nearest multiple of 5 would have been entirely adequate. Also otherwise, the changes in observational accuracy have remained surprisingly minimal, considering that the observations spread over more than
    seven centuries. The only noticeable change is that the earlier lunar eclipse time measurements seem to exhibit a mild positive bias, and the later ones a decidedly negative bias (see the end of Section 2.11).
    A comparison between the observed values and the values calculated from ST82f shows that short time intervals were measured with a standard error of about 2.8°, while large intervals suffer from a relative standard error of about 14%. Presumably, the former is predominantly caused by errors in spotting the contacts. Note that short intervals occur near sunset and sunrise, when the sky is relatively bright and the beginning of the eclipse is hard to spot. On the other hand, the errors in large intervals predominantly will be caused by errors in the time measurements. Overall, the standard deviations σ of individual observations can be modeled reasonably well by the interpolatory formula/
    σ2 = 2.82 + (0.14 tcalc)2,
    all quantities being expressed in time degrees. Thus, the break-even point between the two error components occurs at an interval length of 20°. In our least squares fits we have used the inverse variances σ–2 for weighting the observations, and we have somewhat arbitrarily excluded aberrant data with deviations exceeding 2.9 σ as gross errors.
    checked the weights by sorting the observations according to their calculated absolute values, and then computing grouped averages. This was done both overall and separately for measurements relative to sunset (SS), to sunrise (SR) and for eclipse phases, see end of Section 2.11. It appears that the estimated overall standard deviations σ agree well with the measurements from sunset, while the random errors of intervals measured to sunrise are approximately 20% larger, and the errors of the phases are about 15% smaller than those predicted by the above formula for σ 2

    In particular, the random error of a short (“zero-length”) interval thus would be 2.8°, and that of a short phase would be about 85% of 2.8°, or 10 minutes. Most of this would have to be due to errors in the spotting of the beginning and end of the phase. At first, this seems counter-intuitive, for the following reason. The spotting of sunset is highly accurate. The interval from, say, sunset to the beginning of an eclipse involves the spotting of only one phase and therefore should be determined more accurately than an interval of the same length from the beginning of the eclipse to the beginning of totality, which involves two phases. The probable reason for this paradox is that short intervals to
    the beginning of an eclipse occur near sunset and sunrise, where phases are harder to spot than in the dark of the night. Anyway, if we assume that the determinations of beginning and end of phases are statistically independent, this translates into an average random spotting error of about 10/ √ 2 = 7 minutes, somewhat higher near sunrise/sunset, somewhat lower in the dark of the night. It goes without saying that these numbers must be taken with a grain of salt. They should be compared also to
    the timing errors of approximately 5 minutes found by Stephenson and Said (1991) for the Arabic observations of eclipse contacts. pp.28-29
    568 BC doesn't seem to fit the naked eye theory.

     
    However, it is important to note that none of the astronomical tablets actually record the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BC. Therefore, there seems to be no reason to invest time and effort into a flawed observation cycle. 
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in Went to a wedding and 70% of all those in attendance left about 40 minutes after the ceremony   
    It may or may not be true but it presents like Grorgie’s opinions are generated by 💀Google’s AI left wing, anti-white, woke, liberal text generator.

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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Went to a wedding and 70% of all those in attendance left about 40 minutes after the ceremony   
    Other religions and society as a whole also have members who shun certain individuals. Therefore, singling out just one religion is not productive. It's possible that even within your own religion, there may be members who shun others without your awareness. Where is Srecko's argument when his own society shuns drug addicts, drunkards, pedophiles, LGBT, etc? And what about Pudgy's stance when society shuns "pedophiles" alongside the same argument of using Srecko's observation not due to religious convictions, but out of hate by society in general?
    Where does that leave your refutation? In the wind, since even society and other religions and their religious members also refuse.
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in Went to a wedding and 70% of all those in attendance left about 40 minutes after the ceremony   
    You know, Georgie, your plethora of “rhetorical“  questions give the impression you don’t know that people are not ants … You ask ten people the same questions, and your questions, often based on your agenda or false information and/or assumptions, will generate 10 honest answers …all different.
    For a change, stop asking your thousands of loaded  questions and start making flat statements of what YOU think is correct. 
    You might as well, because in the thousands you have asked… I have not yet noticed a single response.
    It’s like singing to pigs … you just ruin your voice, AND IRRITATE THE PIGS.
    That’s why you get bounced from this forum so often, no matter what new name pops up out of the whack-a-mole hole.
    No one answers your endless, never ending questions, transparently due to your desire to be known as the Vicar of Warwick, recognizing your attempts at self aggrandizement by attempting to denigrate others.
    I will give you a much needed hint:
    It’s not working. It has never worked. It will only fool some of the people, some of the time.…
    .…. mostly your self-created upvoting and downvoting and fawning self created clones.
     
     
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Went to a wedding and 70% of all those in attendance left about 40 minutes after the ceremony   
    No more than what the world offers when shunning people. How many other religions do that? Why should we criticize the world for its actions in every situation? Instead, let's acknowledge the diversity of people from all religions and find common ground for understanding.
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Khazars   
    It appears to me that this is a key aspect of the 2030 initiative ideology. While the Rothschilds were indeed influential individuals who were able to sway governments, much like present-day billionaires, the true impetus for change stems from the omnipotent forces (Satan) shaping our world. In this case, there is a false God of this world.
    However, what drives action within a political framework? Power!
    What is unfolding before our eyes in today's world? The relentless struggle for power. The overwhelming tide of people rising. We cannot underestimate the direct and sinister influence of Satan in all of this.
    However, it is up to individuals to decide how they choose to worship God. Satanism, as a form of religion, cannot be regarded as a true religion. Consequently, just as ancient practices of child sacrifice had a place in God's world, such sacrifices would never be accepted by the True God of our universe.
    Despite the promising 2030 initiative for those involved, it is unfortunately disintegrating due to the actions of certain individuals in positions of authority. A recent incident serves as a glaring example, involving a conflict between peaceful Muslims and a Jewish representative that unfolded just this week.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/11/us-delegation-saudi-arabia-kippah?ref=upstract.com
    Saudi Arabia was among the countries that agreed to the initiative signed by approximately 179 nations in or around 1994. However, this initiative is now being undermined by the devil himself, who is sowing discord among the delegates due to the ongoing Jewish-Hamas (Palestine) conflict. Fostering antisemitism.
    What kind of sacrifice does Satan accept with the death of babies and children in places like Gaza, Ukraine, and other conflicts around the world, whether in the past or present, that God wouldn't?
    Whatever personal experiences we may have had with well-known individuals, true Christians understand that current events were foretold long ago, and nothing can prevent them from unfolding. What we are witnessing is the result of Satan's wrath upon humanity, as was predicted.
    A true religion will not involve itself in the politics of this world, as it is aware of the many detrimental factors associated with such engagement. It understands the true intentions of Satan for this world and wisely chooses to stay unaffected by them.
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Khazars   
    @Mic Drop,
    I don't buy it. I watched the movie. It has all the hallmarks of the anti-semitic tropes that began to rise precipitously on social media during the last few years - pre-current-Gaza-war. And it has similarities to the same anti-semitic tropes that began to rise in Europe in the 900's to 1100's. It was back in the 500s AD/CE that many Khazars failed to take or keep land they fought for around what's now Ukraine and southern Russia. Khazars with a view to regaining power were still being driven out into the 900's. And therefore they migrated to what's now called Eastern Europe. It's also true that many of their groups converted to Judaism after settling in Eastern Europe. It's possibly also true that they could be hired as mercenaries even after their own designs on empire had dwindled. 
    But I think the film takes advantage of the fact that so few historical records have ever been considered reliable by the West when it comes to these regions. So it's easy to fill the vacuum with some very old antisemitic claims, fables, rumors, etc.. 
    The mention of Eisenhower in the movie was kind of a giveaway, too. It's like, Oh NO! The United States had a Jew in power once. How on earth could THAT have happened? Could it be . . . SATAN??"
    Trying to tie a connection back to Babylonian Child Sacrifice Black Magick, Secret Satanism, and Baal worship has long been a trope for those who need to think that no Jews like the Rothschilds and Eisenhowers (????) etc would not have been able to get into power in otherwise "Christian" nations without help from Satan.   
    Does child sacrifice actually work to gain power?? Does drinking blood? Does pedophilia??? (also mentioned in the movie) Yes, it's an evil world and many people have evil ideologies based on greed and lust and ego. But how exactly does child sacrifice or pedophilia or drinking blood produce a more powerful nation or cabal of some kind? To me that's a giveaway that the authors know that the appeal will be to people who don't really care about actual historical evidence.
    Also, the author(s) of the video proved that they have not done much homework, but are just trying to fill that supposed knowledge gap by grasping at old paranoid and prejudicial premises. (BTW, my mother and grandmother, in 1941 and 1942, sat next to Dwight Eisenhower's mother at an assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses. The Eisenhower family had been involved in a couple of "Christian" religions and a couple of them associated with IBSA and JWs for many years.)
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