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This person will never give you a direct answer. He's beyond reasoning and only seeks to dodge the truth. The information about the tablet has been available for decades, but I chose to bring it up now to refute previous and current criticisms about the limitations of this tablet. The real issue is that he can no longer rely on this insignificant tablet. It's frustrating how much time has been wasted on accepting falsehoods from others.

You want to say that only those arguments with which you agree are acceptable (to you)?
Yes indeed, a good argument. Who wouldn't accept it. lol
Is this an insult?
 

Apostate mentally: The prevalence of ad hominem arguments among apostates is not only foolish, but also deeply offensive. These individuals seem to believe that their arguments are not insulting, when in fact, they are far more damaging than mere insults. It is truly disheartening to witness such a misguided and intellectually feeble tactic employed by apostates and the disfellowshipped.
ERRONEOUS ARGUMENTS AND WRONG CLAIMS:
In this case, it is indeed true. By whose standards can a critic believe that the wrong argument is being made? Who are these people, and why should Witnesses care about their opinion?
The other points about the court system infringing on religious bylaws are quite reasonable.
A compelling example is the recent dispute involving the Catholic nun, Baudin de la Valette, which prompted the Pope to make an exception and write a letter of complaint to the French government. The issue arose from the French court's decision to unilaterally decide who can and cannot be excommunicated, disregarding the religious bylaw and instead yielding to public opinion.
Thanks, Srecko. Your new badge of recognition just proves that more foolishness coming from apostates is rewarded by Satan's influence.

@TrueTomHarley Wait a minute, he has access to the closed club? 🤣

No. We grill him mercilessly there and make him squirm mightily, let me tell you.

It doesn’t matter. No matter what the topic is or where it is, it always boils down to a squabble with George.

@JW InsiderYou should stop calling yourself a Jehovah's Witness, as you are disrespecting Jehovah's organization and God with your apostasy. Your pathetic games don't work with me. Impress your apostate fans at the Closed club. It appears that you effortlessly escape from your deceitful statements and misrepresentations there.

What makes you believe you will, lol! People need to be written in the scroll of life. Do you truly believe that you will succeed with everything you have said and done? You must face the reality that you have defied God beyond the possibility of redemption. So, enjoy life.
 

It appears that he is struggling to accept the reality that Borsippa is approximately 15 miles away from Babylon, and depending on who you ask for directions, it is about 617 miles from Jerusalem. Therefore, if VAT 4956 mentions the death of an individual by the order of a king, in Borsippa and disease then we can reasonably assume it was Nebuchadnezzar based on the 37th year language in that secular evidence rather than the Bible, it suggests that the conflicts in the region were more extensive. This clearly demonstrates that no single conflict can be definitively determined or pinpointed solely by relying on that tablet designated to the year 568, regardless of how convincing it may appear. Making an absolute claim would be dishonest if the information contradicts itself.
The same can be said if someone uses the date designation of 587/586 or 588/587. Only people who are desperate would argue that.

🤣 It belongs in the closed club where the Don Henley song "Dirty laundry" is played 24/7.😁

Stop behaving foolishly and distorting my words. I didn't say that the tablet mentioned 588. What I actually said is that your argument about 587 can also be interpreted as 588. The tablet clearly mentions the city of Borsippa which is way further in distance from Jerusalem, which nobody else has mentioned before, and it reveals the conflicts within it that are indicated in that infamous tablet VAT 4956, which Professor Francesca Rochberg is alluding to. 
 
"Year 37 of Nebukadnezzar, King of Babylon. Month I,"
"Additional reports in this Diary include that someone was killed “by the command of the king,” that a fox entered the city, a wolf killed two dogs in Borsippa, and that there was disease."
I understand that it can be challenging to be proven wrong repeatedly, especially when faced with evidence that can't be easily dismissed. "IN THIS DAIRY" means the same diary. If it's not VAT 4956 it has the same language as VAT 4956.
Are you now refuting VAT 4956?
Your refutation lacks substance and credibility. There are many other aspects of those dates that can be proven, failing your COJ stance.

Who do you think you are to try to control how I use words? You're just an impostor pretending to be an authority figure. Therefore, don't ever try to dictate what I can or cannot say.
I have listened to your misguided remarks, but I remain unmoved by them. My posts are intended to benefit those who might be swayed by your apostate mindset, as well as by the influence of individuals like comfortmypeople.
There is nothing mysterious about Nebuchadnezzar's reign beginning in 626/625 instead of the 605 date assigned by scholars rather than scripture. Similarly, it is not bewildering if Nabopolassar's reign began in 647 or 645 due to the existing historical confusion for that period, which has already been verified. It matters not if this is not agreeable to you; you are neither an expert nor a person in authority.

It is both hypocritical and foolish to obsess over the word "pivotal" without grasping its intended meaning. Even more baffling is your relentless defense of 587, failing to acknowledge other influential factors. It's time to put an end to your unfounded arguments.
Either learn or give it a rest.

I can only recommend you pay close attention to Francesca Rochberg own words without misrepresenting its intent and true nature of the discussion in this reference book. Perhaps you haven't read it yet.
"The aim of this book is to raise and explore questions about observing and interpreting, theorizing and calculating what we think of as natural phenomena in a world in which there was no articulated sense of nature in our terms, no reference or word for it. This seems to be the case in the cuneiform world. What I mean by the cuneiform world is nothing more (or less) than that which is represented by the cuneiform corpus of the Babylonian and Assyrian literati, the scholarly specialists in bodies of knowledge relating to the phenomena."
"The sources in question come from a variety of textual corpora produced by elite Assyro- Babylonian scribes from the last two millennia bce. While the texts of these diverse corpora have their distinct content, form, purpose, orthographic style, intellectual goals and attitudes, the phrase the cuneiform world can serve to evoke the context of cuneiform scholarship in contrast to that of other corpora from antiquity. The purpose of raising questions of knowing, predicting, explaining, and interpreting the phenomena is to reflect on the nature and aim of knowledge in cuneiform sources and the relationship between that complex body of knowledge and the broad scope of the history of science."
I recall you mentioning the naked eye and fingers. I took the initiative to delve into my vast digital library and found the information you were looking for, and I linked it to your question. Here it is. You can reference VAT 4956.

"Saturn observation text from sixth- century Uruk includes first and second stations to the first and last visibilities during the period from year 28 to 31 of Nebuchadnezzar II.118 During this period, on the basis of the few extant planetary observation texts, the practice of citing planets with respect to a certain set of Normal Stars and the use of cubits, fingers, and degrees (UŠ) was still in the process of standardization.119"
"Before circa 500 bce, the Path of the Moon was the preferred reference for the moon and planets in such texts as MUL.APIN as well as in the over five hundred u’ila￣ti reports and nearly as many letters of the Neo- Assyrian scholars.51 Nearly all the fixed stars mentioned in the reports belong to the Path of the Moon. The practice of observing the moon or a planet with respect to a fixed star, later made quantitative in the Diaries with numbers of cubits or fingers below or above, in front of or behind a more extensive set of ecliptical stars (Normal Stars, see below), is found in the following report from an unknown writer: “Mars stan[ds] below the right foot of the Old Man (= Perseus). It has not ente[red] it, but stan[ds] in the area.”
Why is this so significant? Pay extremely close attention to the language inscribed on this tablet, particularly because there have been additional reports emanating from it.
"Year 37 of Nebukadnezzar, King of Babylon. Month I,"

"Additional reports in this Diary include that someone was killed “by the command of the king,” that a fox entered the city, a wolf killed two dogs in Borsippa, and that there was disease."
This indicates that the conflict in that region in 588 was not confined to the area they keep debating about; it also extended to Borsippa. How far is that city? The interpretation of this information is open to manipulation, but it does not alter the actual locations. The city of Borsippa cannot be ignored or erased, and this is not the sole tablet in existence.
Francesca Rochberg's reference to VAT 4956, although not explicitly stated, shows a striking similarity in language. The absence of any mention of Borsippa is quite intriguing, as it sheds light on conflicts and disease in regions beyond the commonly focused on Jerusalem. Furthermore, Rochberg's assertion of additional reports in the same diary adds to the significance of the argument.

Absolutely! I frequently uncover the humor in the elaborate ways scholars use to present their unfounded claims. These academics are often perceived as flawless, but in reality, they and their work are far from it. The best humor often comes from junior achievers, lol!

I believe that Christ's message was one of calling upon sinners to repent and obey their heavenly father. So, why would Jesus call upon those who had already repented and become part of Christianity through that repentance?
How can a sensible person reconcile the conflict between their heart and mind to interpret a different meaning? One organ accepts one thing, but the other does not. Luke 5:32.
This conflict is thought-provoking, and some people might call that a twisted mentality.
Therefore, the admonition of the apostle James was truly refreshing. In James 5:19-20 he imparts invaluable wisdom.
What new insights do you possess? What unique revelations does the Bible impart to you? What is your interpretation of scripture that you find to be in error, besides everything?

An intelligent person would understand it to mean both. However, it seems that this is where you fall short. Therefore, when Jesus invited sinners to repent, it would mean a transformation not only of their hearts but also of their minds.
The great thing is that you're not a psychologist; otherwise, you would be providing incompetent and detrimental advice.
If you choose to remove yourself from salvation, it is an acknowledgment of failure as an inherited sinner.
Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, and other religious denominations that are considered to be false by God. However, within the EU, Orthodox and Catholicism are the most favored, and this sentiment is echoed in other countries such as Norway, Canada, Australia, Russia, and the UK. These places are known for their severe persecution of the Watchtower due to their practice of listening to apostates.
Who is being used by Satan as a tool to persecute God's people, in any part of the world?

True intelligence lies in recognizing the importance of not giving heed to apostates. The recent meeting only serves to confirm how easily Satan can manipulate a susceptible mind to distort and misrepresent facts when discussing sensitive issues, such as child abuse. Once exposed as frauds, they resort to baseless rants, much like the one you have just made.
What relevance does the word "definition" have in relation to your particular regional Orthodox religion? It appears that you are defending that false religion that defends the heinous crimes of Russia's Putin. How much child abuse has that abusive person caused to Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia? Pause and consider the numerous forms of child abuse. Why aren't you addressing this issue here? That's right, you just want to act foolishly and selectively.
Are you implying that your community is free from child abusers? Do you believe that your region is somehow flawless? If so, I have doubts regarding your discernment. Your attempts to deflect do not hold any weight. None of your deflections are effective on me.
I seriously question whether the approval of "GAY" relationships by the Catholic Church will truly please God.
It is nonsensical to believe that you are a professional psychologist capable of providing advice on child abuse when you are unaware of the role that government and institutions play in perpetuating the issue. Your deception does not align with the reality of the situation. Therefore, your religious beliefs or lack thereof are irrelevant.
I reject your blasphemy against God's Holy Spirit. Your failure is your choice, not God's.

 

Intelligence is not the only quality that can save a person from fraud. JWs, along with many other religious people, are proof of this.
Word Origin
When someone has the same opinions and beliefs as those held by most other people, these opinions are usually considered the "right" opinions to have. In English such opinions might be called "orthodox." The English word orthodox comes originally from the Greek words orthos, meaning "right, true" and doxa, meaning "opinion." These two words were combined to form the Greek verb orthodoxein, meaning "to have the right opinion." From orthodoxein came the Greek adjective orthodoxos, which was borrowed into Latin as orthodoxus. The English adjective orthodox comes from this Latin adjective. - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orthodox
Considering that I do not belong to any religion, your statement makes no sense. Another thing that needs to be said for objective accuracy is the term "orthodoxy". Every religion is orthodox in its essence, even when it changes in its doctrines. The country I live in is historically Catholic. JWs are orthodox because they do not accept religious change unless approved by their GB. So JWs are completely orthodox as long as they believe that they are the only ones right in claiming that their Christianity is "original" and is "only true".
God is as successful as his creation. Considering that God said that everything created is "good", then every person today is also "success" because he/she is the inheritor of the original act of creation. Also, God nowhere indicated that any child born of Adam and Eve is/was "failure". If you want to use a religiously colored term for something that designates me or you in some moral category, then it is the word "sinful", not "failure".
 

You must be talking about religions like yours, lol!

James, that stench will always be a part of your existence, and even a fourth grader can see that. Now, prove God wrong that you can remove it? A six-year-old would understand it.

I believe you are an intelligent person, although at times that might be a stretch. However, if the society were to maintain a list of things that you are contesting, things they toke seriously, what could they be concealing based on your perception?
You mentioned 60 years in contrast to other religions that have annual occurrences, even in your Orthodox religion within your region and among your people in your community.
The guidance provided by the Watchtower is intended for sensible individuals to contemplate upon. Once again, you are commending the commendable nature of Jesus, as well as acknowledging that if one believes in the efficacy of God's guidance in scripture, it's ineffective. You are calling God a failure, yet you don't comprehend that you are the failure as his creation. 
What kind of commission do you believe existed prior to the ARC that the Watchtower Society should have collaborated with, despite already fully cooperating with the ARC? Could you provide evidence to support your unfounded assertion that they didn't cooperate with the ARC, considering the fact that they provided the information being requested? It would be advisable for you to carefully consider your remarks before making such claims. People might think, you actually don't think.
How is the discussion of beards relevant to the ARC issue? Cease distorting your baseless accusations to obfuscate the matter at hand.
Your response seems obtuse and nonsensical, filled with irrelevant rants.
Do you have the expertise of a psychologist to make such distinctions? Who is now dictating people's actions? Stop from sharing if you don't have something meaningful to contribute, your sounding like Pudgy.

The only evil vicar here is a person that can't erase his own pedophilia from his existence. Prove God wrong?

LOL! That's hilarious how O. Neugebauer mentions: (B) “‘diluvium’’: actually Kaliyuga 1, Chaitra 1 = —3101 Febr. 17 = julian day 588,465 
I'm still working on the hypothesis.
Diluvium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diluvium
I wonder what he meant by this, since -3101 corresponds to the year 880 BC, during Asa's and Zimri's reigns.
Kali Yuga, also known as Kaliyuga, refers to the concept in Hinduism that signifies the impending destruction of the Earth or humanity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga
According to Hindu cosmology, it is predicted that at the end of the Kali Yuga, Lord Shiva will destroy the universe and the physical body will undergo a great transformation. After the dissolution, Lord Brahma will recreate the universe, and humankind will become the Beings of Truth once again.
I am curious about the time period we are discussing. I cannot recall any catastrophic events mentioned in the Bible around 880 BC, unless it was intended to illustrate the story of how Zimri annihilated the entire family of Baasha.
Can he have meant 588 BC, if so, he's off since it is placed in -3393
The puzzling thing, is: Febr. 17 = julian day 588,465 
If I use 588.465,
The calendar date for 588,465 is 12:0:0.00 UT on July 5, -4711.
If I use 880 BC as a reference point, I get 1400050.2933
It's not a match. Perhaps I too should embrace a skeptical mindset! lol!

@Srecko Sostar
Thank you, Srecko, for sharing this article that you thought would better your false cause. I want to point out that your argument regarding child abuse and the Watchtower lacks understanding and validity. Moreover, it is evident that the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) did not conduct thorough research on the Watchtower, which now necessitates higher courts to make the final decision due to the biased and uninformed rulings of lower courts.
*** g99 4/8 p. 8 Who Will Protect Our Children? ***
Who Will Protect Our Children?
This article, dated in the year 1999, predates the UN's interest in 2012. It serves as a strong argument for highlighting the Watchtower's unwavering commitment to addressing the issue of child abuse since the 60s, even before laws were passed and debated by governments worldwide in 2015.
It seems that you have pointed out a contradiction in your actions, likening it to a hypocrite and drawing a parallel between your behavior as that of the Pharisees. This comparison is quite striking and thought-provoking. Your hypocrisy is evident as you persist in associating with an individual who has been proven guilty of the same position that you so passionately defend. Furthermore, you express gratitude for the information provided by this discredited individual, causing your credibility to diminish completely.
Yes, that's right! The ultimate solution to these heinous crimes of pedophilia and child abuse lies in the establishment of a new world order guided by the principles of Christ. While we await this transformative era, we must diligently address the issue at hand, even if it means temporarily employing stopgap measures. We rely on individuals of unwavering morality. How do you control the uncontrollable in Satan's World? That's the Watchtowers expectation in ensuring that our collective effort maintains hope for a better future without such atrocities. 
Where in the article does it claim that the Watchtower is infallible and that the Elders have the ability to read minds? If they possessed such a power, they would have been able to prevent your friend from making a serious mistake.
Remember your criticism about the GB. I understand your point about how you often bring up the imperfections of the Governing Body. However, it seems contradictory that you expect them to act in specific ways to satisfy your personal preferences. It's important to consider the broader picture and be realistic in our expectations.