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    bruceq reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    You have admitted your thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses. Now its on record for all to see.
    So you feel , after your edit, that its ok to pick and choose what to believe from Jehovah's Organization.
    [edited to add the words in brackets] by "insider":
     "What's hard to understand is why you claim that you will always prefer the [certain, specific] teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses even if you are aware that the Bible teaches something different [about those certain, specific teachings]"
    You even went so far as to say on 8/27 : "You obviously don't know that that my experience at Bethel makes me believe that I have "power" and "authority" to question the dispensation of spiritual food by God." Need I say more  You have more authority because you spent a few years at Bethel 40 years ago. LOL right. No wonder you believe you have as you say"special interpretation".  Rather haughty - no wonder you call yourself an "insider". Satan was an "insider" also, so I woundn't brag about it.
    No reason to say further. Promoting the teachings of Christendom is wrong. Jesus said "by their fruits " you would recognize true from false religion.
    The Bible teaches whatever our HEAD tells us we do = JESUS. NOT you and Christendom. LOL seriously 
    This is a shipwreck in progress. All I have to say now is:

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    bruceq got a reaction from The Librarian in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    You have admitted your thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses. Now its on record for all to see.
    So you feel , after your edit, that its ok to pick and choose what to believe from Jehovah's Organization.
    [edited to add the words in brackets] by "insider":
     "What's hard to understand is why you claim that you will always prefer the [certain, specific] teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses even if you are aware that the Bible teaches something different [about those certain, specific teachings]"
    You even went so far as to say on 8/27 : "You obviously don't know that that my experience at Bethel makes me believe that I have "power" and "authority" to question the dispensation of spiritual food by God." Need I say more  You have more authority because you spent a few years at Bethel 40 years ago. LOL right. No wonder you believe you have as you say"special interpretation".  Rather haughty - no wonder you call yourself an "insider". Satan was an "insider" also, so I woundn't brag about it.
    No reason to say further. Promoting the teachings of Christendom is wrong. Jesus said "by their fruits " you would recognize true from false religion.
    The Bible teaches whatever our HEAD tells us we do = JESUS. NOT you and Christendom. LOL seriously 
    This is a shipwreck in progress. All I have to say now is:

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    bruceq got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
       No they are not. You have to look at this from a spiritual way not a physical way. JESUS is in control of the Chariot NOT any humans. We do not have ANY control over it including any movements or "bumps". Jesus IS the head of the Congregation and Jehovah's Witnesses is the true religion. Therefore we must have exclusive LOYALTY to Jesus as head and obey everything that comes from JEHOVAH"S ORGANIZATION because it is the TRUE religion from JEHOVAH. We just had a Convention about Loyalty and talk #3 outline is all about the things I have just gone over.
    https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=loyalty
    Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17. Jesus is the Head and we must follow him wherever he goes even if you do not like it your life is at stake as it was with Satan and other disloyal ones in the past. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/organized-religion/
     I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes.  Eph. 1:22.
     Jesus is head of the Congregation Mt 28:18; Eph. 5:23; Heb. 2:8.
    “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
    Loyalty to the Head of the Congregation is a given. Should not even be questioned as Jesus IS our Lord and Master. Therefore he is in control of all teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses IF you believe Jehovah's Witnesses is the true faith. To do things on your own like Adam, Eve, Satan, and other presumptuous ones tried is disloyalty. And shows great disrespect for our Head as he is in control of the Chariot. To do your own thing as you state is no different than Christendom and is like using a taxi instead of letting Jesus drive the Chariot. In a taxi you pay someone to go where YOU want. Just like Christendom pays its clergy to go where the people want. Ez. Cpt. 1
    https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=true+religion
    From this weekends Watchtower Study: Para 15:
     What is our response to divinely authorized headship? By our respectful cooperation, we show our support for Jehovah’s sovereignty. Even if we do not fully understand or agree with a decision, we will still want to support theocratic  order. That is quite different from the way of the world, but it is the way of life under Jehovah’s rulership. (Eph. 5:22, 23; 6:1-3; Heb. 13:17) We benefit from doing so, for God has our interests at heart.  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-june-2017/uphold-jehovah-gods-sovereignty/
     
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    bruceq reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    "And I saw, and look! a white horse,+ and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him,+ and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.+3  When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature+ say: “Come!” 4  Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to TAKE PEACE AWAY FROM THE EARTH so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword."  Rev. 6:1-3.
    World War. 1914. Notice not just one or two or three nations but the entire planet. 
    Also note that no blogger has been able to attack this Scripture clearly showing a World War in Rev. 6:3!!!
    Are we to believe Jehovah's Witnesses or Christendom and bloggers on this site on this subject who claim to have "special interpretation". Choose for yourself.
    Of course the most outstanding part of the sign that the Kingdom was born in 1914 is the preaching of it since 1914. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have done that about the KINGDOM - no other religion even mentions it from door to door or any other way! Why JW.ORG is now even the most visited website thus proving that the Kingdom was born in 1914. Mt. 24:14 {If the Kingdom did not come then it would not be " THIS GOOD NEWS" now would it, the wording shows that it is a REALITY when it is preached}. Thus the Parousia in vs. 2 is directly linked to Kingdom in vs. 14 !!! Also note after the preaching of the KINGDOM THEN the end comes. So that Kingdom is not the END as certain ones try to preach with their "special interpretations".
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-prophecy-sign/
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=lisa.joeywit&_armrs=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.X1914.TRS2&_nkw=1914&_sacat=0
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    bruceq reacted to bruceq in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Tom is correct this has been hashed out many times. Look in past posts it has all been answered before. 
    Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17.   Sorry but we didn't write this Scripture. Deal with it. Jesus is the Head and we must follow him wherever he goes even if you do not like it. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/organized-religion/
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    bruceq reacted to bruceq in No! Please!! Not another thread about 1914!!!   
    Yes the point I was making if one reads the post was about God's Kingdom and the other facts on Translation and so forth it was not about the "targeted questions". I could care less about those I just added those in originally for other types of search options one can do. Make sure you erase all search caches before doing the search however as I stated in the post which some others apparently did not read. and use a neutral computer like at the library which I also stated in the original post.  With my Bible study I only typed in "God's Kingdom" {what true Christians are SUPPOSE to be preaching about}  to show him and the top was JW and that convinced him. As for the ratings well that was just icing on the cake making that fact concrete and helping that family see that JW have the truth after all.
    I just think it is remarkable [not the questions people search for but] that JW are #1 religious website in the world as being most visited when we just got started a few yeas ago. Even in "Catholic" countires like Italy!!!  And being most translated is a given for the True Religion as many Scriptures indicate.
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    "And I saw, and look! a white horse,+ and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him,+ and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.+3  When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature+ say: “Come!” 4  Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to TAKE PEACE AWAY FROM THE EARTH so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword."  Rev. 6:1-3.
    World War. 1914. Notice not just one or two or three nations but the entire planet. 
    Also note that no blogger has been able to attack this Scripture clearly showing a World War in Rev. 6:3!!!
    Are we to believe Jehovah's Witnesses or Christendom and bloggers on this site on this subject who claim to have "special interpretation". Choose for yourself.
    Of course the most outstanding part of the sign that the Kingdom was born in 1914 is the preaching of it since 1914. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have done that about the KINGDOM - no other religion even mentions it from door to door or any other way! Why JW.ORG is now even the most visited website thus proving that the Kingdom was born in 1914. Mt. 24:14 {If the Kingdom did not come then it would not be " THIS GOOD NEWS" now would it, the wording shows that it is a REALITY when it is preached}. Thus the Parousia in vs. 2 is directly linked to Kingdom in vs. 14 !!! Also note after the preaching of the KINGDOM THEN the end comes. So that Kingdom is not the END as certain ones try to preach with their "special interpretations".
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-prophecy-sign/
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=lisa.joeywit&_armrs=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.X1914.TRS2&_nkw=1914&_sacat=0
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
       No they are not. You have to look at this from a spiritual way not a physical way. JESUS is in control of the Chariot NOT any humans. We do not have ANY control over it including any movements or "bumps". Jesus IS the head of the Congregation and Jehovah's Witnesses is the true religion. Therefore we must have exclusive LOYALTY to Jesus as head and obey everything that comes from JEHOVAH"S ORGANIZATION because it is the TRUE religion from JEHOVAH. We just had a Convention about Loyalty and talk #3 outline is all about the things I have just gone over.
    https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=loyalty
    Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17. Jesus is the Head and we must follow him wherever he goes even if you do not like it your life is at stake as it was with Satan and other disloyal ones in the past. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/organized-religion/
     I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes.  Eph. 1:22.
     Jesus is head of the Congregation Mt 28:18; Eph. 5:23; Heb. 2:8.
    “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
    Loyalty to the Head of the Congregation is a given. Should not even be questioned as Jesus IS our Lord and Master. Therefore he is in control of all teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses IF you believe Jehovah's Witnesses is the true faith. To do things on your own like Adam, Eve, Satan, and other presumptuous ones tried is disloyalty. And shows great disrespect for our Head as he is in control of the Chariot. To do your own thing as you state is no different than Christendom and is like using a taxi instead of letting Jesus drive the Chariot. In a taxi you pay someone to go where YOU want. Just like Christendom pays its clergy to go where the people want. Ez. Cpt. 1
    https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=true+religion
    From this weekends Watchtower Study: Para 15:
     What is our response to divinely authorized headship? By our respectful cooperation, we show our support for Jehovah’s sovereignty. Even if we do not fully understand or agree with a decision, we will still want to support theocratic  order. That is quite different from the way of the world, but it is the way of life under Jehovah’s rulership. (Eph. 5:22, 23; 6:1-3; Heb. 13:17) We benefit from doing so, for God has our interests at heart.  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-june-2017/uphold-jehovah-gods-sovereignty/
     
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    bruceq reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Presumably, this is also true of GB members, past & present.
    One would think so. But that did not stop Korah and a whole bunch of others from doing it.
     
    You have not even attempted to make the case - and I trust you won't go there - that the GB is leading people into false worship.
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Tom is correct this has been hashed out many times. Look in past posts it has all been answered before. 
    Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17.   Sorry but we didn't write this Scripture. Deal with it. Jesus is the Head and we must follow him wherever he goes even if you do not like it. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/organized-religion/
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Matthew 24. Is the INVISIBLE PAROUSIA doctrine based on less likely, special definitions of SIGN, PAROUSIA, CONCLUSION, LIGHTNING, GENERATION, and "GENTILE TIMES"?   
    I believe in Jehovah's Witnesses teaching not Christendom's or your "special interpretations".
    What Is the Coming of Christ?
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    Audio recordings download options MP3 The Bible’s answer
    The Scriptures make dozens of references to the future time when Christ comes to judge the people of the earth. * For example, Matthew 25:31-33 says:
    “When the Son of man [Jesus Christ] comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.”
    This time of judgment will be part of a “great tribulation” unlike anything in human history. That tribulation will culminate in the war of Armageddon. (Matthew 24:21; Revelation 16:16) Christ’s enemies, described in his illustration as goats, “will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.” (2 Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 19:11, 15) In contrast, his faithful servants, the sheep, will have the prospect of “everlasting life.”—Matthew 25:46.
    When will Christ come?
    Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows.” (Matthew 24:36, 42; 25:13) However, he did describe a visible, composite “sign” that would identify the period leading up to his coming.—Matthew 24:3,7-14; Luke 21:10, 11.
    Does Christ come in a body of spirit or of flesh?
    Jesus was resurrected with a spirit body, so he comes as a spirit creature, not in the flesh. (1 Corinthians 15:45; 1 Peter 3:18) For this reason, Jesus could tell his apostles on the day before his death: “In a little while the world will see me no more.”—John 14:19.
    Common misconceptions about Christ’s coming
    Misconception: When the Bible says that people will see Jesus “coming on the clouds,” it means that Jesus will come visibly.—Matthew 24:30.
    Fact: The Bible often associates clouds with something hidden from view. (Leviticus 16:2; Numbers 11:25; Deuteronomy 33:26) For example, God told Moses: “I am coming to you in a dark cloud.” (Exodus 19:9) Moses did not literally see God. Likewise, Christ ‘comes on the clouds’ in that people perceive his coming even though they cannot literally see him.
    Misconception: The expression “every eye will see him,” used at Revelation 1:7 when speaking of Christ’s coming, is to be understood literally.
    Fact: The Greek words in the Bible for “eye” and “seeing” are sometimes used in the sense of discerning or perceiving rather than referring to literal sight. * (Matthew 13:15; Luke 19:42; Romans 15:21;Ephesians 1:18) The Bible says that the resurrected Jesus is “the one . . . who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man . . . can see.” (1 Timothy 6:16) Thus, “every eye will see him” in that all people will perceive that Jesus is the one who brings God’s judgment.—Matthew 24:30.
    Misconception: The words of 2 John 7 show that Jesus will come in the flesh.
    Fact: That Bible verse states: “Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.”
    In the apostle John’s day, some denied that Jesus had come to earth in the flesh as a man. They were called Gnostics. Second John 7 was written to refute their false claim.
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Governing Body: Does it show loyalty or disloyalty to question the GB?   
     Your personal attacks mean nothing to me. All I asked was where do you get your "special interpretations" from in regards to 1914, Gentile Times and so forth. Obviously not from Jehovah's Witnesses since they are at odds with your beliefs. So where do you get your interpretations from? I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. There is no Scripture that says we should follow an internet blogger who gets special interpretation. 
     
     Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ?
    “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
    So "special interpretation" belongs to Jesus as our HEAD not to an internet blogger. LOL 
    https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1
     
     
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    bruceq reacted to bruceq in Governing Body: Does it show loyalty or disloyalty to question the GB?   
    There ya go. Thanks for admitting your thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses. Now its on record for all to see.
    So you feel , after your edit, that its ok to pick and choose what to believe from Jehovah's Organization.
    [edited to add the words in brackets] by "insider":
     "What's hard to understand is why you claim that you will always prefer the [certain, specific] teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses even if you are aware that the Bible teaches something different [about those certain, specific teachings]"
    You even went so far as to say on 8/27 : "You obviously don't know that that my experience at Bethel makes me believe that I have "power" and "authority" to question the dispensation of spiritual food by God." Need I say more  You have more authority because you spent a few years at Bethel 40 years ago. LOL right. No wonder you believe you have as you say "special interpretation".  Rather haughty - no wonder you call yourself an "insider". Satan was an "insider" also, so I woundn't brag about it.
    No reason to say further. Promoting the teachings of Christendom is wrong. Jesus said "by their fruits " you would recognize true from false religion.
    The Bible teaches whatever our HEAD tells us we do = JESUS. NOT you and Christendom. LOL seriously 
    How Can I Find the True Religion?
    00:00   03:34 Download
    Audio recordings download options MP3 The BibleÂ’s answer
    Illustrating how to tell the difference between those who practice true religion and those who do not, the Bible says: “By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?” (Matthew 7:16) Just as you can distinguish a grapevine from a thornbush by what it produces, you can distinguish true religion from false by its fruits, or by these identifying features.
    True religion teaches the truth that is based on the Bible, not on human philosophies. (John 4:24; 17:17) This includes religious truths about the soul and the hope of everlasting life on a paradise earth. (Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 35:5, 6; Ezekiel 18:4) It also does not hold back from exposing religious falsehood.—Matthew 15:9; 23:27, 28.
    True religion helps people to know God, including teaching them his name, Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 42:8; John 17:3, 6) It does not teach that he is incomprehensible or aloof; rather, it teaches that he wants us to have a relationship with him.—James 4:8.
    True religion highlights Jesus Christ as the one through whom God grants salvation. (Acts 4:10, 12) Its members obey Jesus’ commands and strive to follow his example.—John 13:15; 15:14.
    True religion focuses on God’s Kingdom as mankind’s only hope. Its members actively tell others about that Kingdom.—Matthew 10:7; 24:14.
    True religion promotes unselfish love. (John 13:35) It teaches respect for all ethnic groups and welcomes people from all races, cultures, languages, and backgrounds. (Acts 10:34, 35) Moved by love, its members do not go to war.—Micah 4:3; 1 John 3:11, 12.
    True religion has no paid clergy, and it does not give high-sounding religious titles to any of its members.—Matthew 23:8-12;1 Peter 5:2, 3.
    True religion is completely neutral in political affairs. (John 17:16;18:36) However, its members respect and obey the government where they live, in harmony with the Bible’s command: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar [representing the civil authority], but God’s things to God.”—Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1, 2.
    True religion is a way of life, not just a ritual or a formality. Its members adhere to the Bible’s high moral standards in all aspects of life. (Ephesians 5:3-5; 1 John 3:18) Rather than being grim, though, they find joy in worshipping “the happy God.”—1 Timothy 1:11.
    Those who practice true religion will be in the minority. (Matthew 7:13, 14) Members of the true religion are often looked down on, ridiculed, and persecuted for doing God’s will.—Matthew 5:10-12.
    True religion is not just ‘the right religion for me’
    There is a danger in choosing a religion based solely on how it makes us feel. The Bible foretold a time when people would “surround themselves with [religious] teachers to have their ears tickled.” (2 Timothy 4:3) In contrast, the Bible encourages us to follow “the religion that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father,” even if that religion is unpopular.—James 1:27, footnote; John 15:18, 19.
    Jesus is the driver of the Chariot if you want to take a taxi because you want to go where YOU want to then go ahead. But I will follow and be LOYAL to Jesus:
    These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
     
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Governing Body: Does it show loyalty or disloyalty to question the GB?   
    There ya go. Thanks for admitting your thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses. Now its on record for all to see.
    So you feel , after your edit, that its ok to pick and choose what to believe from Jehovah's Organization.
    [edited to add the words in brackets] by "insider":
     "What's hard to understand is why you claim that you will always prefer the [certain, specific] teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses even if you are aware that the Bible teaches something different [about those certain, specific teachings]"
    You even went so far as to say on 8/27 : "You obviously don't know that that my experience at Bethel makes me believe that I have "power" and "authority" to question the dispensation of spiritual food by God." Need I say more  You have more authority because you spent a few years at Bethel 40 years ago. LOL right. No wonder you believe you have as you say "special interpretation".  Rather haughty - no wonder you call yourself an "insider". Satan was an "insider" also, so I woundn't brag about it.
    No reason to say further. Promoting the teachings of Christendom is wrong. Jesus said "by their fruits " you would recognize true from false religion.
    The Bible teaches whatever our HEAD tells us we do = JESUS. NOT you and Christendom. LOL seriously 
    How Can I Find the True Religion?
    00:00   03:34 Download
    Audio recordings download options MP3 The BibleÂ’s answer
    Illustrating how to tell the difference between those who practice true religion and those who do not, the Bible says: “By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?” (Matthew 7:16) Just as you can distinguish a grapevine from a thornbush by what it produces, you can distinguish true religion from false by its fruits, or by these identifying features.
    True religion teaches the truth that is based on the Bible, not on human philosophies. (John 4:24; 17:17) This includes religious truths about the soul and the hope of everlasting life on a paradise earth. (Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 35:5, 6; Ezekiel 18:4) It also does not hold back from exposing religious falsehood.—Matthew 15:9; 23:27, 28.
    True religion helps people to know God, including teaching them his name, Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 42:8; John 17:3, 6) It does not teach that he is incomprehensible or aloof; rather, it teaches that he wants us to have a relationship with him.—James 4:8.
    True religion highlights Jesus Christ as the one through whom God grants salvation. (Acts 4:10, 12) Its members obey Jesus’ commands and strive to follow his example.—John 13:15; 15:14.
    True religion focuses on God’s Kingdom as mankind’s only hope. Its members actively tell others about that Kingdom.—Matthew 10:7; 24:14.
    True religion promotes unselfish love. (John 13:35) It teaches respect for all ethnic groups and welcomes people from all races, cultures, languages, and backgrounds. (Acts 10:34, 35) Moved by love, its members do not go to war.—Micah 4:3; 1 John 3:11, 12.
    True religion has no paid clergy, and it does not give high-sounding religious titles to any of its members.—Matthew 23:8-12;1 Peter 5:2, 3.
    True religion is completely neutral in political affairs. (John 17:16;18:36) However, its members respect and obey the government where they live, in harmony with the Bible’s command: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar [representing the civil authority], but God’s things to God.”—Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1, 2.
    True religion is a way of life, not just a ritual or a formality. Its members adhere to the Bible’s high moral standards in all aspects of life. (Ephesians 5:3-5; 1 John 3:18) Rather than being grim, though, they find joy in worshipping “the happy God.”—1 Timothy 1:11.
    Those who practice true religion will be in the minority. (Matthew 7:13, 14) Members of the true religion are often looked down on, ridiculed, and persecuted for doing God’s will.—Matthew 5:10-12.
    True religion is not just ‘the right religion for me’
    There is a danger in choosing a religion based solely on how it makes us feel. The Bible foretold a time when people would “surround themselves with [religious] teachers to have their ears tickled.” (2 Timothy 4:3) In contrast, the Bible encourages us to follow “the religion that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father,” even if that religion is unpopular.—James 1:27, footnote; John 15:18, 19.
    Jesus is the driver of the Chariot if you want to take a taxi because you want to go where YOU want to then go ahead. But I will follow and be LOYAL to Jesus:
    These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
     
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    bruceq reacted to Arauna in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    The kings were appointed by Jehovah. It went well with them and the nation if they inquired from Jehovah and followed the directions of the prophets.  Disaster struck when they did not follow the instructions from the prophets. Jehovah kept sending prophets and they kept rejecting them.
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    bruceq reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Since you're not suggesting the GB is on par with those corrupt leaders, the premise of your point collapses and the point along with it.
     
    Yes. By another one of the leaders.
     
    If we are to believe JWI, it happens all the time.
     
    This tired bit of nonsense has been dealt with already. There was an entire thread about it.
     
    You take a back seat in those instances. Nobody says you can't. It's when you try to grab the wheel that  trouble comes about.
    @bruceq's verse is telling: They keep following the Lamb "no matter where he goes." In whose eyes? If it is each one following him no matter where he goes in his own eyes according to that one's own Bible-trained conscience, then some do one thing and some do another. The whole phrase becomes silly, and should be replaced with "each one did what was right in his own eyes."
    Since you do not equate the GB with the corrupt, wicked kings, then the model of rebels in the congregation, be that Korah or Hymanaus, is the more appropriate. Further, since it is not corruption or wickedness you object to, then it becomes little more than a matter of style. You don't carry on and on over such things. You just sit out if you can't abide it. To not do so indicates that one really doesn't believe: "it's not about us - it's about God's purpose and the sanctification of his name." 
    "It is about us" is the message that comes through loud and clear with the most chronic complainers
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    bruceq reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    In the absence of human authority, when God says something you don't like, you simply interpret it away. 
    No harm done.
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    bruceq reacted to bruceq in Governing Body: Does it show loyalty or disloyalty to question the GB?   
    I don't care about your bragging about being at Bethel. An "insider" after only a few years at Bethel from 40 years ago.   LOL Brag about JEHOVAH for a change.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2017/why-modesty-still-matters/
     Where do you get your "special interpretations" from in regards to 1914, Gentile Times and so forth. Obviously not from Jehovah's Witnesses since they are at odds with your beliefs. So where do you get your interpretations from? I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. There is no Scripture that says we should follow an internet blogger who gets special interpretation. 
    So you admit you follow the teachings of Christendom and their writings and interpretations. No wonder you do not believe in the teachings of our Head Jesus regarding 1914.
     Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ?
    “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
    So "special interpretation" belongs to Jesus as our HEAD not to an internet blogger. LOL 
    https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=e8ddb295-889f-4ee3-ac9d-d25140623b74&insight[search_result_index]=5
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Governing Body: Does it show loyalty or disloyalty to question the GB?   
    I don't care about your bragging about being at Bethel. An "insider" after only a few years at Bethel from 40 years ago.   LOL Brag about JEHOVAH for a change.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2017/why-modesty-still-matters/
     Where do you get your "special interpretations" from in regards to 1914, Gentile Times and so forth. Obviously not from Jehovah's Witnesses since they are at odds with your beliefs. So where do you get your interpretations from? I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. There is no Scripture that says we should follow an internet blogger who gets special interpretation. 
    So you admit you follow the teachings of Christendom and their writings and interpretations. No wonder you do not believe in the teachings of our Head Jesus regarding 1914.
     Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ?
    “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
    So "special interpretation" belongs to Jesus as our HEAD not to an internet blogger. LOL 
    https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=e8ddb295-889f-4ee3-ac9d-d25140623b74&insight[search_result_index]=5
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Again praise Jah. Rev. 6:4 came true. A Global war DID happen in 1914. Not just JW who say it even Google agrees that there was a Global War and calls it World War 1.  And Jesus is in control of the Chariot, not a taxi. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/
     Happy Dance
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Yes I agree that not everything they expected would happen but a global war did and that is all that I was talking about. {sorry i'm not into sports}.  Of course we don't need someone from over a hundred years ago to tell us that the prophecy came true that "peace was taken away from the EARTH" at Rev. 6:4. BTW thanks for keeping your comments to 30 sec or less. 
    The Gentile times in 1914 did not fail unless you no longer believe that Jesus is at the helm as Head of the Congregation and Jehovah's Witnesses is not the true faith.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Yes he did. I have read it several times in my own Studies in the Scriptures and Watch Towers of that era He said in 1914 there would be worldwide "turmoil" "universal anarchy" "war" "time of trouble"  and many other words to describe that year as different than any previous. 
    These 2520 years we believe will expire with October, 1914; at that time we believe the Gentile lease of power will expire, and that the God of heaven will set up his Kingdom in Israel. We do not expect universal peace to immediately ensue because Christ is styled the Prince of Peace. On the contrary, to our understanding the collapse of the nations will be through a fierce strife, "a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," in which "there shall be no peace to him that goeth out, nor to him that cometh in," because God will set every man’s hand against his neighbor. Our belief is that the warfare between capital and labor, emperors and peoples, will be short, sharp, decisive, and bring untold calamity upon all concerned. If people could only discern it, they would avoid it, but their eyes are holden; they see not, neither do they understand. All the parties to the conflict are plunging into it, each intent on gaining its point, and each oblivious to its own best interests. -- "Times of the Gentiles", The National Labor Tribune, July 11, 1909.
    I believe October, 1914, is the time when we may expect that great time of trouble, because it seems to our judgment, as far as we can understand the Scriptures, that is the time when the Gentile period of lease, or tenure, will expire, and when, therefore, we may expect that the time of trouble shall be ushered in; and that time of trouble we understand is the one the Scriptures tell about–a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation, a time of trouble which shall overwhelm all sorts of government, and every institution of the present time; and a time of trouble which thus will make ready and prepare mankind for the glorious reign of Christ and his Church, for the blessing and uplifting of all the families of the earth. -- What Pastor Russell Said, Question 555:4 (1910).
     
    He even admits he does not know what exactly will happen in 1914 but that there will be a time of trouble in that year:
    Nineteen hundred and fourteen is the time when the "Gentile Times" will end. What does that mean? I do not know, but I think it is when God lets go in a general sense of the world, and permits things to take their course; and we can readily suppose, as the Apostle says, that the course of nature would be set on fire, because of strife.which the Bible marks out as having its beginning about October, In the world of mankind, I shall expect a time of great trouble, 1914. -- What Pastor Russell Said, Question 76:1 (1910).
    Our readers know that for some years we have been expecting this Age to close with an awful time of trouble, and we expect it to break out with suddenness and force not long after October, 1914, which, so far as we can understand the Scriptures, is the date at which the Times of the Gentiles –the lease of earth’s dominions to the Gentiles–will expire. -- "Loosing the Four Winds of Heaven", May 15, 1911, page 146, Reprints 4822.
    He was humble enough to even admit that if he was wrong then it will come sometime:
    We are expecting in October, 1914, that a great change will be due. Now, how quickly will it come? Whether on the stroke of the clock or not we do not know. We believe that it will land upon humanity by that time. Perhaps some of it will come before that, but we believe it will be stayed off until that time. Now, dear friends, what if it does not? We are just as well off as the rest. That is what the Bible states. If it does not state that to you, we have no quarrel. And if it does not come we will not try to bring it about. But, on the contrary, we will try to practice peace and holiness withal. We are children of peace and peacemakers, not strife breeders. But we believe the Bible teaches October, 1914, as the time. If that is incorrect for a year, or five, or one hundred years, no matter, it is coming some time, whether we have it right or not. -- Convention Sermons Report.
     
    And there are literally hundreds more quotations that he made showing that 1914 would stand out as a unique date in Bible prophecy and would be indicated with a War. 
    Right after Jesus was enthroned as King as the rider of the White Horse the Red horse is said to "take peace away from the EARTH" not just one or two nations but a Global War which history testifies as 1914 being the very first Global War which is why it is called "World War 1" Revelation ch. 6
     
     
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Good questions. I flunked English once in Jr. High so I may not be the one to ask. {although the teacher flunked more than half the class that year]. So its all Greek to me. Anyway our current understanding is that the First Resurrection comes in stages over a period of time. Firstfruit is Jesus. Then the anointed are raised beginning in 1918 up to today as they die as "certain firstfruits" {think on Jewish harvest periods"}. Then there is the final part at the very end of the second phase of the Great Tribulation { attack of Gog} where final surviving anointed {who survived the first phase of the GT - attack on religion} as they are  "caught away" to join the others already resurrected. {Known in Christendom as a "rapture" although we do not use that term since it describes a Bodily resurrection whereas of course we believe flesh and blood cannot go to heaven}. Now there could be changes in this entire mode of the period of time such as all the First Resurrected ones being raised "at the same time" "sama" {of course Jesus was already raised now wasn't he} but that contradicts other Scriptures so we will wait and see what our Head Jesus has to say at the "Proper" time for it. Of course it does not matter either way now does it? No matter what they will ALL be in heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb. Praise Jah. - 1 Cor ch. 15; 1 Thess. ch. 4; Rev. 6:11; Rev. 14:13; 1 Thess. 1:7.....
    So the question is how much time is involved with the word "afterward" at 1 Thess 4:17.
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    bruceq got a reaction from Nana Fofana in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Thank you for the question I do not believe asking it is being critical.  No Jesus does not lie, Satan is the father of the lie. He wants people to decide for themselves without a divine governance. Jesus is not a taxi-driver. He does not go wherever we want because we pay him. Christendom's clergy do that. Why the Pastor next to our Kingdom Hall gets $300,000 a year to preach what the members of the Church want him to preach to have their ears tickled. But we as Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is in control of the Chariot as the Head of the Congregation, not a taxi driver. It is possible to believe in something that later is decided by Jesus as being the truth. But it is up to him to make that decision at the PROPER time not our time. We are not in a taxi. If one presumptuously decides to go to the "right" before the driver does then such a one would have to leave the vehicle and be outside while the Chariot continues on. Oh perhaps you were right after all but is it not better to stay in the vehicle than to be roadkill like a squirrel on the road? Jesus is the HEAD of the Congregation and the Celestial Chariot is NOT a taxi.
         As for teachings that were not true but later were the same thing applies. Jesus is head of the Congregation. Certainly he knows the road ahead better than we humans do and sometimes can make decisions that according to our limited human viewpoint from the back of the bus seem wrong or actually is wrong. For example Jesus told people to eat his blood and flesh. Not only was that wrong according to Jewish Law but common human decency. Yet who was right? And when Moses was directed to go in the opposite direction back toward Egypt to go to the edge of the Read Sea...well who was right then? You see we must have faith that Jesus is the HEAD of the Congregation and HE decides when to move in any given direction. Jesus does not drive a taxi.
       Sometimes the driver can go over bumps in the road or swerve to avoid certain things but it is not wrong if the Driver knows what he is doing. Do you not think Jesus knows what he is doing? We may become anxious or get vertigo from the changes made by the Chariot but a true follower of Christ will follow him no matter where he goes without complaining to him about the road taken. 1 Cor. 1:10.
    “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4.
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009123
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    bruceq reacted to TrueTomHarley in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Nobody has any problem with God. It is always with his human organization.
    This is true even with Judas. He and God were tight. But Jesus looked pretty human to him.
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