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  1. scholar JW
    Alan de Fool I accept fully the contents of the Insight book especially its articles on Chronology for these are scholarly and clearly written but I cannot be responsible for any deficiency on your part in understanding such information. WT scholars have used P& D in its publications from the time when it was first published so I do not believe there are any major issues except for the fact that it does not account foe the brief reign of Darius. The Insight article under 'CYRUS' is of excellent scholarship and well balanced covering all factors that are relevant in the correct dating of the Return so there is no need to write to the Society at this time. I simply affirm what is written in the above article which i believe fully answers your query. It is not known precisely when Cyrus made the public and written proclamation only that these two events occurred in his 'first year' but this is a bigger problem for you as you wish to compress matters too much. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Our publications indicate that in relation to God's people Babylon became the World Power in 607 BCE with the overthrow of the Judean Monarchy. No, the prophecy against Tyre occurred after the fall not in 586/7 BCE but in 607 BCE according to Ezekiel. 26:1 which prophecy was given in the 11 th year of Ezekiel's exile. Isaiah 23:14-18 simply shows that Tyre was forgotten for 70 years which had been besieged by Nebuchadnezzar thus coming under the yoke of Babylon's domination during that period of Jeremiah's 70 year period of servitude to the nations. The date is the fall of 607 BCE not the earlier date of Carchemish for that is the time dated by Ezekiel scholar JW
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    JW Insider The difference is because of interpretation for there is a clear distinction made in the Jer. 25 where Judah is first addressed from vs. 1-11 then later the Oracle to the nations commences from verse 12-26 specifically. No, broadly speaking but here is a chronology based on Ezek.29:12, 17-18;30:10. Neb. attacks Egypt in his 37 th year-588 BCE and Ezekiel makes his final prophecy against Egypt in his 27th year of his exile in 590 BCE. No. No historical information available which is more of a problem for you than for WT scholars. No evasion just a working with what the Bible tells us in the absence of secular history. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Too easy. The simple fact is that in 607 BCE, Babylon became the new World Power as foretold by Daniel the Prophet and it exercised complete domination over all those nations from that time forward. During Neb's reign he subjugated Tyre shortly after the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE- Ezek.26:1. Yes this is the problem as to how to translate the passage from Hebrew into English and how to interpret the passage . Rolf Furuli discusses the linguistic issues with this verse and I recommend that you consult leading Bible commentaries on this passage including the LXX. The said scholar unlike most Witnesses loves Bible commentaries and has the leading or major commentaries of Jeremiah to hand and i would be happy to supply a reading list of such for you. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Yes and No, depending on interpretation of this passage. 607 BCE when Babylon truly became the World Power For the Jews it would be 537 BCE with the Return and for the nations it would have 539 BCE with the Fall of Babylon scholar JW
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    JW Insider So what! Accurate Bible Chronology properly fixes on notable datable events such as the Fall of Jerusalem which ended the Judean monarchy in Neb's 18th year and Zedekiah's 11 th year beginning the Exilic period of 70 years all with the framework of Babylonian and Judean history as outlined above. I repeat only ONE EXILE but a few deportations as discerned by leading Exilic scholars Both apply equally for that exact wording is not found in the Bible but is simply a construct clearly based on the 70 year textual corpus' scholar JW
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    JW Insider Indeed. Jeremiah's 70 years does fall within the NB Period as it began in the 18th regnal year of Neb and extended beyond the end of that Dynasty ending in 539 BCE with the fall of Babylon ending with the Return under Cyrus in 537 BCE. During that same period other nations experienced the yoke of Babylonian domination such as Tyre. The 70 years most certainly falls within the Babylonian timeline whichever of its length as explained above. Neb's missing years are not accounted for in the NB secular history or Chronology. Its vacancy is your problem not mine. There is a 20 year gap in the NB timeframe because it does account for the 70 years beginning with Neb's 18th regnal year and Zedekiah's 11th regnal year. scholar JW
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    JW Insider There is nothing wrong with the chronology and it does not tell us to reject the Bible. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Utter bunkum. Where does Jeremiah's 70 years fit in and where does Neb's missing 7 years and the twenty year gap in the NB timeline? scholar JW
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    JW Insider Read Jer. 52:20 Agreed Read it again carefully!! Daniel's 'third year of Jehoiakim' is not that of his 3rd regnal year but that of his 'kingship'-NWT, or vassalage as again attested by Josephus and many other scholars. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Josephus as a credible Jewish historian gave sufficient testimony regarding the nature of the 70 years which is in perfect harmony with our understanding of the 70 years. Read the 70 year textual corpus. The Bible states clearly 70 years, plain and simple. that is why i have long maintained and finally observed by Niles' Thesis that the 70 years was of Servitude/Domination to/under/for Babylon + Exile in or at Babylon +Desolation of Jerusalem,Temple and Land of Judah. Babylon was now a World power and during this time many nations including Judah were brought into servitude but Judah's servitude or 'serving' was of a duration specifically of 70 years as foretold specifically by Jeremiah. That is your problem Correct. Most astute of those 'celebrated WT scholars. Well if that interpretation is correct then please supply the specific 70 year periods for each one of those nations. Also, verse 11 requires careful exegesis and can have different viewpoints depending on translation of the Hebrew into English. Because I am sure and scholar is a mighty scholar. Desolate, desolation, devastations are well defined and explained by Jeremiah. We all understand what these words mean and if you do not then your education needs to be improved. What on earth were you doing in Bethel-proofreading comics? scholar JW
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    JW Insider The fact of the Great War along with after signs proved that the gentile times had ended and that the Kingdom was born and modern history a long with prominent members of clergy in 1917 attested to this fact. scholar JW
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    JW Insider The use of a pivotal date derived from an Absolute date is simply constructing a scheme of Chronology and if it wholly relies on the biblical data then it becomes by definition a Biblical Chronology scholar JW
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    JW Insider No guessing required just read the following portions of scriptures; 2 KI. 25: 25,26- Those Jews who remained among the ruins of Jerusalem after its destruction had fled to Egypt Jer. 44: 1-6- Addressed to those Jews in Egypt showing that both Jerusalem and Judah had been destroyed, desolated and deserted. Jer.44: 26-28- Only a few Jews will escape death and will return to Judah one day. Thus, those Jews who were taken to Egypt in Neb's 23 rd year were those who had fled to Egypt whilst Neb had Tyre under siege his guard Nebuzaradan attacked Egypt caught up with Jewish refugees as stated in Jer52:20 AS ALSO explained in Jer 44:28. Escaping to Egypt did the surviving Jews no good at all for 745 souls were taken Jer 52:20- most either ended up dead , or being taken into exile to Babylon. Even fewer will have managed to survive until the return in 537 BCE. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Are you an apostate? Scholar has no need of the bluff. Yes! It is not rocket science. Rubbish! NB Chronology has little to confirm the Biblical record, it makes no mention of the 70 years for starters Let us listen to the Bible for NB Period is silent on these matters. There was only ONE Exile but a number of deportations -BIG DIFFERENCE. No it is not. The events of Neb's 23rd year has nothing to do with the desolated state of the Land of Judah immediately after the Fall in 607 BCE as foretold by Jeremiah and confirmed by Ezra. This was simply a 'mopping up' operation of those naughty exiles who had fled to Egypt. Very naughty!! The only choice is that the desolation began at the Fall as confirmed by Josephus and not something 5 years later. The secular chronology mismatches the Bible Chronology by 20 years so there is no correspondence between the two schemes. Bible Chronology is WT chronology because it is the only Chronology that elevates the bible and is wholly bible-based thus becoming a strong Cable. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Nope. it works therefore it is that strong cable as it led to the ending of the Gentile Times in 1914 CE a reality proved by the outbreak of the Great War with the birth of God's Heavenly Kingdom . You need not only to properly understand History and Chronology but Biblical Theology namely Salvation History. scholar JW
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    Ann O'Maly Wrong. Utter nonsense.The historical record via Josephus and the prophecies of Jeremiah make it quite clear that the land was made completely desolate at the time of the Fall in 607 BCE which was foretold to last exactly 70 years as also confirmed by the historian Ezra, the Chronicler. Neb in his 23rd year simply took Jews into Exile, those that already had fled outside of Judah. These verses simply reflect a report of events that had already occurred with the Fall in 607 BCE, news of which reached Ezekiel with such a prophecy reinforcing the fact that the land not only would be uninhabited but was in fact now uninhabited. scholar JW
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    JW Insider But those WT scholars have given us a modern calendrical date for the Return in 537 BCE!!! Hallelujah! scholar JW
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    JW Insider WT Chronology is 'strong' because it works, it alone is functional allowing the honest-hearted to understand where one lays in the stream of time, seeing modern day fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Chronology is simply a mode of interpretation, it is not an absolute but simply relative relying on the history presented albeit not perfect. 'Likely' is good enough for me for if it works then that is all that I require for it is far superior to 'dead-end' NB Chronology which also is imperfect and contains many 'gaps' despite the preponderance of astronomical data also subject to interpretation. Chronology is always going to be problematic in some areas and that is why Jehovah God has given to his people four prophetic witnesses even at the hands of an Angel, a strong Cable of sacred Bible Chronology corevealed in his Word. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Have you not learnt anything? The simple fact is that those WT scholars even in the earliest of times have put modern day dates in modern calenders-Julian/Gregorian to ancient, historic events for the benefit of modern readers today interested in the fulfillment of Bible prophecy for the very first time!!!! scholar JW
  21. scholar JW
    JW Insider Nonsense. You are confused. The prophet Daniel gives several regnal formulae in his book, each of which must be fully accounted both historically and chronologically in order to provide an accurate scheme and this is what WT scholars have done successfully. With such formulae or regnal dates we can now know the date for the Return, the date of the Fall, the beginning and end of the Gentile Times, the end of the Divided monarchy and the timing of the Messiah and its 70 years all of which relate to the Danielic regnal dates. scholar JW
  22. scholar JW
    JW Insider Your point? Wrong again! WT scholars had used scholarship which originally published in 1942 to publicize those facts that in a modern calenders demonstrates how the date for the Return- 537 BCE can now be known with as much certainty as the current evidence permits. Outside of that primary source (P&D) such precise information was and to date not featured in any academic literature outside of WT publications. So, full credit to those astute WT scholars!!! Nonsense. Your argument is flawed because whatever the case, the date 537 BCE with its seventh has been demonstrated in our many publications as being sound historically and chronologically as it forms part of the interwoven strands of that strong cable. Such a date is prophetically established culminating in 1914 CE being validated by the 70 years. WT chronology has no such problem of Neb's 18/19th years as both relate to the timing of the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE and the Fall properly calculated in 607 BCE. The problematic 586/7 BCE dilemma is because scholars rely on NB Chronology which at that crucial point of Late Judean history has led to failure because such a chronology is simply strings of beads or a chain susceptible to failure and disappointment- the Devil's work!! scholar JW
  23. scholar JW
    Ann O Maly You were well and truly stumped, done over like the turkey sitting on your Xmas table. the strong cable of WT chronology is not reliant on astronomical evidence alone but simply to affix a reliable, historical, pivotal date for the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE in combination of four prophetic witnesses in the stream of time that validates WT Bible Chronology. By the way how is it that you refuse to post your academic qualifications. Alan de Fool has done so and so has the said scholar? scholar JW
  24. scholar JW
    JW Insider Nonsense. The prophet Daniel referred to the 'first year of Darius' in Da 9:1;11:1 so its is a regnal formula that cannot be ignored thus also providing essential historical data which in turn makes our Chronology, a strong cable not just like the chain of NB Chronology. scholar JW
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    JW Insider Now that you have finally answered my simple question that had stumped the likes of Alan de Fool and Ann O'Maly, the scholarly pretenders you indeed had to rely on what the 'celebrated' WT scholars had first published on this subject as to the precise dating for the Return of the Jews under Cyrus for the first time ever published. I am not aware of such regnal data being located with modern calendars published in the academic literature for the very first time. You should learn a lesson from this that our WT scholars have a long scholarly tradition in doing Chronology and understanding calendrical systems thus we can have confidence that despite COJ'S so-called 17 lines of secular evidence, the strong cable of WT Bible Chronology based on four witnesses alone remains accurate, faithful and true. scholar JW
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