paulus

not sure which planet your from but i havent got a clue what your talking about and i never heard of allen smith maybe hes from your planet??

My how all the apostates come crawling out of the woodwork. I dont think your comment is very accurate. SEE MARK 9 VS 40 TO 42.  I will leave my fate in Jehovahs hands, Thanks.

So let me see if i understand you. YOU PURPOSELY jumped from a ship into the rageing see of restless humanity and apostasy becouse you dont like way the copilot or some of the crew run the ship. Then say to everyone else FOLLOW ME becouse i know best. Reeally.  There are only two sides and NO middle ground.  You are either For or Against Jehovah. Looks like youve made your choice.  Well done.

You condemn yourself by your words and your ignorance, Its obvious to a blind man that Jehovahs spirit is with his organisation. You are the one sinning against the spirit in My view (but i maybe wrong, i often am,) by trying to mislead and lead astray the week ones who need to be encouraged not discouraged. THIER LIVES are in your hands. I too am disfellowshipped but would never stupidly bite the hand that feeds me or hopefully saves me regardless of my standing in Jehovahs organisation. People are imperfect and make mistakes if you cant move on and forget the past you have no hope for the future. Stop this nonsense or leave as you have sugested and do us all a favour. May Jehovah have mercy on you if your are worthy.

Traitor. Keep digging, another 5 feet and you'll have yourself a grave. Well done.

4 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

So you're going to be there too I see. 

 

 

Looks Very likely at the moment. Who knows?

9 minutes ago, Kosonen said:

The best way to sanctify Jehovah's name is as Jesus told in John 15:8: My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples. .....12  This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you.

Matthew 5:22 However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·henʹna.

43  “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens,

Paulus, how do you know if the governing body is right condemning me and my understanding? Could it not just be that they are themselves mistaken?

 

Typical apostate reasoning. Taking words out of context and unable to apply scripture to themselves. Your the fool. Ive been disfellowshipped twice becouse I deserved it. But the last thing I would ever do is betray my creator Jehovah and his chosen organisation. Theres still time for you to repent but I think your to far gone. But I'm not your Judge. Good luck with that when the time comes.  See you in Gehenna 👹

2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 

Freedom of feelings, freedom of speech. .... where is freedom of act ? If i get it correctly, you are asking for "God's authority", but think you don't have that kind of "the authority"? Wrong. God gave people "all authority" by giving humankind free will to do whatever they want, and not going into preventing or to stop any of our "free will ideas".  Of course, we have to be aware of consequences.

If someone want to "fight" against "stupidity" of particular individual here, than he/she must be ready to "fight" against "stupidity" of religious leaders in WTJWorg too. 

Correct, choices have consequences,  everyone needs to choose sides Now.  Despite individuals  imperfections including mine. Think your on the wrong one ?

3 hours ago, Anna said:

So that you know, this site allows all to voice their opinions. If someone is not sufficiently convinced of their own beliefs then they may want to leave. No one is preventing that. 

Good to know who's side your on, shame its the wrong one? Im sure your namesake the prophetess of old would feel differently. Anyone not sufficiantly convinced of there own beliefs should be helped not led astray.

9 minutes ago, Kosonen said:

Paulus, I am here for that purpose. 

If you are genuine in your motives to start this post I appologize however you only need to remember ONE thing. STAND STILL AND SEE THE GLORY OF JEHOVAH. There will be no need to flee to some wilderness or desert. We God willing will be Witness to the greatest event this planet has ever seen since the flood. And it is obvious that some of the scriptures you quoted apply to the paradise and the anointed only so do some more studying and stop asking strangers for opinions. I think this topic is finished. All the best.

49 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Strange logic. If one had a choice between being killed by the Angel of Death or being killed by a deranged, murderous "JW" who enjoyed killing apostates, why does it make a difference? Do you think that after his death the apostate is going to mad because the lunatic "JW" won't wipe that smile off his face?

Not strange logic at all. If I where the angel of death that had the order from Jehovah to put to death an unrepentant apostate in the battle of armageddon I am certain that a god who finds no pleasure in the suffering of humans would have him or her dispatched quickly. So it does make a difference both to the angel and the victim. However as an imperfect human who hates to see apostates using stupid questions to sow seeds of doubt in spiritually weaker brothers and sisters in an effort to lure them away and in the process malign Jehovahs name then if I had the command from Jehovah to dispatch these scumbags just like the isrealites of old who took the land of canaan from its inhabitants, I would unfortunately take some pleasure in doing this. However I do not have the authority to do this so will be a good little christian brother that I am supposed to be and not the murderous jw some think I may be. But it is sad that this site which I believe was set up to provide encouragement and support to Brothers and sisters around the world tolerates these idiots and there attempts to lead astray fellow witnesses. Sorry but unfortunately I have strong fellings on this matter, hence the language.

Enjoy your trip to queensland, australia. When you get there find a nice big rock to hide under with all the other apostate cockroaches like you and just be glad that I am not the Angel of Death that finds you there, becouse I would enjoy the end of you life too much. Bon voyage.

3 minutes ago, Kosonen said:

What do you say about Revelation 12:6,13,14 and Ezekiel 38:8?

Get behind me satan.

4 minutes ago, Kosonen said:

Anybody want to flee now? Or have you ever thought how nice it would be if all Jehovah's witnesses were gathered in one place when the battle at Armageddon will occur?

And are we not thrilled by the story, how the Christians left Jerusalem year 66CE after the Roman army unexplicably halted their attack on Jerusalem and left?

The Watchtower has regularly brought up this event in the literature. The WT organization also made a movie about that some years ago.

And what can we learn from all the other stories in the Bible that involved literal fleeing or journey to a new place?

Noa entered the ark and came out to a new different place and environment. Abraham left Ur, not knowing the place he was going to.

Hebrews 11:8  By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place he was to receive as an inheritance; he went out, although not knowing where he was going.

Lot left his home and fled from Sodom before its destruction. The Israelites left Egypt and went to live in the wilderness before going into the promised land. David fled from Saul a few years before he became king over Israel. Israelites left Babylon and moved back to the promised land after 70 years of exile. And Joseph and Mary fled with Jesus to Egypt when king Herod searched to kill him. 

Yes, there are many Bible stories about literal flights and relocations. So what could we learn from them? Surely these flights are examples for us. The WT has not been able to give us understanding about what kind of literal flight Jehovah's witnesses will at least partially undertake according to a few prophecies in the Bible. But somehow that will happen. And surely this Covid-19 pandemic will predispose at least some JW to flee to safety. So I believe this pandemic serves some purposes in God's purpose.

The coming flight will be in fulfillment to Revelation 12:6,13,14

6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.

13  Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14  But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.

Please note the similarity with Ezekiel 38:8  “‘“You will be given attention after many days. In the final part of the years you will invade the land whose people have been restored from the ravages of the sword, collected together out of many peoples onto the mountains of Israel, which had long been lying devastated. The inhabitants of this land were restored from the peoples, and all of them dwell in security.

Is it not about the same thing in these both passages in the Bible? 

The WT society could already start to organize for this flight to a specific place in a secure place, in a wilderness. But the flight will take place according to these scriptures when the persecution begins (Revelation 12:13) and because of "the ravages of the sword" (Ezekiel 38:8).

I believe the best place would be in Far North Queensland, Australia.

Would you like to flee before the battle at Armageddon?

 

There is no need to flee anywhere, dont underestimate jehovahs ability to save each one of us in our own homes or where ever we may be at the time. Rahabs house was the only one to survive when the whole of jericho collapsed. That was no accident. Im sure there are more than enough angels to protect all those predisposed to everlasting life. And if we need to be rounded up in one place then jehovah can do that too when the time is right. The battle is his, so have faith and just wait for the vindication of his name, his way.