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  1. But it's not the Truth. It is the Watchtower / JW Org / CCJW et al. Calling it the Truth is just a very clever sly scam. It brainwashes people to think that it is all true. You, yourself know that it is not all true. You know about the misused scriptures and falsely predited times and dates. And, of course it also brainwashes JWs into believing that if a person leaves the JW Org then that person has left the 'Truth'. But it's just a sly dishonest scam. Your GB do not have truth, your JW congregation as a world wide whole does not have truth. This is all in your own imagination Arauna. In fact, that is what your GB did when they announced that ONLY THEY are the F&DS. But your GB have put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ. Your GB are now world famous 'television stars'. They get attention for being 'who they say they are'. And they are famous for building Warwick. And very soon their fame will double as they will be running their own 'film studio' at Ramapo. So you talk about trumpets and halos, your GB are already doing that show.
  2. I like that Tom, it's funny But, Anna's comment IS dealing with facts. And proof is readily available that the Watchtower Leaders / Writers have, through time, got things very wrong. I do wish I had kept all of my JW books from those 1960's / 70's days right through until now. And i wish i had kept many of the mags too. Because in those books and mags is the proof of what the Watchtower writers wrote. All the false dates and predictions, many of which have been discussed on this forum. So I'm sure if @Anna wanted to, she could back up what she wrote in that comment. Now as for @Arauna, I do despair some times. Not long ago (within the last three days) Arauna wrote that people should be guided by the Bible. But, when anyone, other that her, uses scripture, Arauna says they are misusing / misquoting / misapplying the scriptures. So in that case Arauna thinks she has the correct interpretation of scripture and that everyone else has the wrong interpretation of scripture. The big difference is, Anna's comment can be proven from fact, Arauna's comment is only what she thinks. Tom, how do you manage to write books when you cannot tell facts from thoughts ?
  3. Yes I'm sure you 'think' you know. But we all 'think' we know something. (I would refer back to Anna's truthful comment about the Watchtower / Org ) Lets take one part of your comment. I am convinced they have identified the slave So the questions are, who is the 'they' that you think have identified the salve. And then who is the slave ? It seems to me that the GB 'identified' themselves as the 'slave'. Was it in 2013 that the GB decided that ONLY THEY are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. It is this F&DS that is shortened to 'the slave'. And your GB have therefore raised themselves up above all other Anointed ones. And as the Watchtower / JW org are teaching false doctrines then they must be part of Babylon the Great, that world empire of false religion.
  4. Quote @Anna " I don't want to see another loved one die. I don't want to die. I want to see sickness and death done away with. I want to see all the causes of heartache and sorrow gone and the earth breathe a sigh of relief when all of mankind's greed and evilness are finally gone. It is a very attractive concept believing that since 1914 Jesus means business, and within a few minutes after that (in spiritual time) he will complete his conquest. It gives us hope, and something to look forward to. At the same time, the truth is we have got all of our time expectations wrong so far. I hate saying it, but we have, and if anyone is truly honest, they will admit that this is so. With respect to 1914 our expectations were wrong, and a disappointment to many, and then followed other dates, which too were wrong " Quote @TrueTomHarley I do have a manual in front of me, but no one here has a clue how to read it. You are right Tom, none of your pretend anointed GB has a clue how to read it. Anna seems to think so too.
  5. Wasn't this one of the things made 'illegal' in the Law given to Moses (yes I know that's badly worded)
  6. “Patiently sitting on my hands,” even “patiently waiting for the True Anointed,” does not convey the image of vigorous activity. It smacks far more of “giving up.” Yes but some are saying the same things about Jesus Christ. Even YOU said Jesus was 'plodding along'. And your GB are running around like headless chickens and you call that being 'active'. All they do is keep changing their minds on the meanings of scripture to suit their own purposes. Oh yes of course, they are wasting donated money on building 'temples' for themselves, to make them famous. Catholics and Protestants may also have 'works', but just like the JWs works, they are all in vain because they teach lies. However, Eph 2 : 8 & 9 8 "By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith, and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift. 9 No, it is not a result of works, so that no one should have grounds for boasting." BUT all these scriptures are for the Anointed ones, not for the 'little dogs'. However it does need faith to know in one's heart that TRUTH will come through the True Anointed ones, when Christ is ready to make it happen.
  7. That Eph' scripture does not mention 'the congregation'. It is only the Anointed that are part of the Body of Christ, that holy Temple. The rest of the congregation are but 'little dogs' that feed from the crumbs dropping from the table. The GB are in for trouble then. The GB are beating their 'fellow slaves' and telling those Anointed slaves not to meet together. The GB say it would be 'working against God's Holy Spirit for the Anointed to gather together for prayer or bible study. I think that many faithful servants of God through Christ now do not believe that 1914 has any true spiritual meaning. However, I keep coming back to the point where we are told in Scripture that ' on account of the elect / holy ones 'those days will be cut short' Matthew 24 :22 Berean Study BibleIf those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short. So how short is short ? Will those days be reduced by a month, a year, how much ? Juggling numbers means nothing unless the true answers come from God, through Christ, by Holy Spirit.
  8. I don't think 'evil' existed in the beginning so Satan didn't actually 'choose evil', he 'created it'. The same as disobedience didn't exist until Satan was disobedient to God. The problem all humans have is that we use words to explain things, and all of those words can mean different things to different people. It becomes more complicated when words need to be translated from one language to another. Will there not be a final testing at the end of a thousand years of Christ's reign ? Oh yes but JWs are also taught to SHUN anyone that leaves the ORG. Shunning their own children. Turning their teenage children out of the house. And they pretend tis is love.
  9. I'd like to break this comment down. BUT what we taught and teach about the way to salvation is right. Is it ? What is or was taught is that a person MUST be a Baptised JW to be saved. So, is that right ? What is also taught is that God and Christ 'trust' the GB so all JWs must trust the GB. Is that right ? I don't think jumping the gun with regard to the timing of the most wonderful day that will bring peace to the earth disqualifies one from getting saved. You think not ? Matthew 24 : 48 & 49 48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves Since before 1914 the Bible Students, and then later JWs, have stated as fact when Armageddon will arrive. This is so obviously saying that "My master is delaying". and then in 2013 (I think it was ) the GB start to beat their fellow slaves by making all other anointed lower than themselves. Then they further beat their fellow slaves by telling those Anointed that it would be working against God's Holy spirit if those anointed should gather together for prayer or bible study. What does disqualify one is giving up. But what is 'giving up' and who decides who has given up ? JWs are trained to believe that anyone that leaves the JW Org has given up. But it is those that remain in the JW Org that have given up seeking TRUTH. JWs are just like all other false religions, following their leaders. YOU yourself said how WRONG your leaders have been about so much. But JWs continue to follow those leaders. I have left that JW false religion, BUT I have not given up on trying to find TRUTH from God through Christ. You need to think outside that JW box. I know you've started to because you mention some of the faults that condemn your leaders.
  10. Luke 17 : 20 & 21 20 On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness 21 nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” Now whether Jesus meant the actual Kingdom or if he meant himself, this is prior to his death and resurrection. So was he referring to himself as already being King, because he says "IS in your midst". It seems that 'all' translations use that word IS and as Jesus was talking to the Pharisees I would think he was talking in 'actual time' not in future tense. (I note that Arauna believes that present tense words are used when future tense is actually meant, and her reasoning is that if it is God's will then it can be seen as actually happening even if it will be in the future). I did have a thought that maybe Jesus became King when he was baptised. When Jesus is talking to his disciples he talks about the Kingdom as if it already exists (in his earthly lifetime). Luke 18 : 16 However, Jesus called the infants to him, saying: “Let the young children come to me, and do not try to stop them, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such ones. 17 Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.” 29 He said to them: “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the Kingdom of God 30 who will not get many times more in this period of time, and in the coming system of things, everlasting life.”
  11. Wrong. The Scriptures were written for the True Anointed ones, but only for when they are given holy spirit to understand . Even the disciples couldn't fully understand the Hebrew scriptures. Those disciples were there with Jesus Christ but could not understand the deeper spiritual things. It was after Jesus was resurrected (as a spirit but took on the form of a human) that Jesus opened up the scriptures and opened up the minds of those disciples. Only then could those disciples understand the deeper things. Tell me, what ridiculous things do I spout ? Remind yourself about who opened up the Red Sea. Then remind your self who sent an angel to wipe out thousands of soldiers whilst they slept. Then, most importantly, remind yourself WHO resurrected Jesus Christ from the dead. So, I will repeat, WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. Humans have no idea what Christ has been doing in a spiritual way since 33 C. E. He did appear in human form to his closest followers, even though he was actually a spirit. He also opened up the scriptures to those closest disciples and opened up their minds to understand what was happening. And you are saying the war in heaven could have taken place in that 1st century. Jesus would have also been guiding all those 'new' congregations and guiding the apostles from that moment forward. Anna, you admit this. @JW Insider admits it too at times. I am not riding high on this as some folks think I do. I am both disappointed and angry that many of the 'truths' i was taught, were actually false. And I taught those things to others. Hence, when Tom says the bible is for humans, I disagree with him... God's word was written with guidance of Gods' Holy Spirit, and it will need that Holy Spirit directed through Jesus Christ to understand it properly. One thing in your comment that did make me laugh. I have often said that the judgement won't be for another ten years yet, and Tom had derided that opinion. But now I read from you that Well @TrueTomHarley what do you think ?
  12. So, JWI is now saying that Almighty God approves of the lies the GB spouts because the lies act as a crutch.. What a feeble excuse. And Thinking has said that God is 'aware ' of the false date ? Um, Almighty God and Jesus Christ are also aware of the lies from the Catholic Church, Church of England, and all other false religions. God then is allowing it ALL. BUT it doesn't make it right. Where oh where is your spirituality ? Where is your faith ? And, where is truth ? Matthew 5 : 48. To the Anointed. English Standard VersionYou therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. But JWI openly declares that the NWT contains false representation of scripture. But still you JWs follow your Leaders.
  13. James, I don't presume such but the ones on here tend to presume that their GB are right most of the time. After all most JWs on here tend to believe that their GB are the F&DS, just because their GB tell them to believe it. I actually have my doubts about that scripture. After all if the disciples had done what the Jewish Clergy said then they would not have been disciples of Jesus. They would have continued making animal sacrifices and continued the Jewish traditions. But if you wish to go back to serving that GB, James, go for it. Your choice, you will answer for it. But I'm no part of that world. So it has no influence on me.
  14. I do worry about your spirituality Tom. You seem very sexist against @Witness I do wonder if she was a man, an ex-elder that says they are anointed, would you treat that person in such the same way ? I think not. Once again you use the physical / worldly reasoning. And the GB were not actually appointed by God, Christ, or Holy spirit. Nor were they appointed by the congregation. Basically they appointed themselves as the F&DS and stood on the heads of the rest of the Anointed. The GB made themselves the wicked slave class. As for the rest of your twaddle pretending that true Christians should not be checking to see what's true and what isn't, that just proves how far away from true Christianity you are. It also proves how much you rely on that GB you worship. BUT the framework of the JW Org faith / teachings / doctrines, has changed many times over the years. 7,000 year Creative Days, Armageddon coming in 1941, the 1960's, the 1970's, before the end of the century... And during those threats bible students were being told that they MUST be a JW to be saved. You don't have a real life view of what your JW Org preaches to people, because your eyes are blinded by your blind faith in your GB.
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