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  1. James, I don't presume such but the ones on here tend to presume that their GB are right most of the time. After all most JWs on here tend to believe that their GB are the F&DS, just because their GB tell them to believe it. I actually have my doubts about that scripture. After all if the disciples had done what the Jewish Clergy said then they would not have been disciples of Jesus. They would have continued making animal sacrifices and continued the Jewish traditions. But if you wish to go back to serving that GB, James, go for it. Your choice, you will answer for it. But I'm no part of that world. So it has no influence on me.
  2. I do worry about your spirituality Tom. You seem very sexist against @Witness I do wonder if she was a man, an ex-elder that says they are anointed, would you treat that person in such the same way ? I think not. Once again you use the physical / worldly reasoning. And the GB were not actually appointed by God, Christ, or Holy spirit. Nor were they appointed by the congregation. Basically they appointed themselves as the F&DS and stood on the heads of the rest of the Anointed. The GB made themselves the wicked slave class. As for the rest of your twaddle pretending that true Christians should not be checking to see what's true and what isn't, that just proves how far away from true Christianity you are. It also proves how much you rely on that GB you worship. BUT the framework of the JW Org faith / teachings / doctrines, has changed many times over the years. 7,000 year Creative Days, Armageddon coming in 1941, the 1960's, the 1970's, before the end of the century... And during those threats bible students were being told that they MUST be a JW to be saved. You don't have a real life view of what your JW Org preaches to people, because your eyes are blinded by your blind faith in your GB.
  3. If you really believed that you would not be a JW. Your GB are the ones that claim to know more than others. The proof of that being that your GB proclaim that only they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Arrogance yes, your GB certainly are arrogant proclaiming as fact that they are the F&DS, especially when all of their predictions fail and they have to keep changing their interpretations of scripture.
  4. Maybe the whole thing is about, WHO pays attention to the signs. Who are the signs meant for ? You see here in this scripture that the Revelation was to show HIS SLAVES those things. We know that the Slaves are the Anointed ones. The scripture mentions that John was one of the Slaves, and we know that John is of the Anointed, the Heavenly Class. Matt : 1. Here the Pharisees and Sadducees approached him, and to test him, ................ 3.b. You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret. Jesus was clearly showing that some people are not meant to understand the signs even if they do have the scriptures.
  5. Maybe God hasn't given US the scriptures. Maybe God has given the True Anointed the scriptures. Those scriptures inspired of God's Holy Spirit will also need God's Holy Spirit to be understood. The Nation of Israel had the Hebrew scriptures, so the Apostles would have known those Hebrew scriptures. But read here at Luke 24, 27 And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he (Jesus) interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures. 32 And they said to each other: “Were not our hearts burning within us as he was speaking to us on the road, as he was fully opening up the Scriptures to us?” 44 He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.” 5 Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures," So although the disciples / apostles had been with Jesus for 3 years and also had the Hebrew scriptures, yet they did not fully understand things UNTIL Jesus fully opened their minds and opened up those scriptures. Does this not prove that no matter how much time and effort MEN put into examining the scriptures, they will not learn the deeper, more important things, UNTIL Christ opens up their minds and opens the scriptures to them. And in my opinion, this is where the True Anointed will be made known. Because when Christ is ready to do so, he will open the minds OF THOSE HE CHOSES, and they will be the True Anointed ones. They will receive Holy Spirit and the scriptures will be opened to them.
  6. So basically Tom says it has to be physical, you have to see it. Just as the JW Org has to be physical, with Warwick And Ramapo. JWs seem to have no 'spiritual vision' at all. Everything, buildings, books, magazines, carts/trollys, all physical. They cannot seem to grasp the real meaning of FAITH. If it is not physically possible then they don't believe it can or will happen. Whereas it IS recorded in scripture for ALL of US to read, that Jesus, after his resurrection in 33 C E said, ( Berean Literal Bible )" And having come to them, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Me." Now I would think this means Jesus is in charge. Yes we know that Almighty God is superior to Jesus, but at this point Jesus is saying that God has given Jesus All authority in heaven and on the earth. So if you guys don't think he became King then, what exactly did Jesus become in 33 C E, when he received all that authority ?
  7. Oh dear not that lie about 1914 again !!!!! @JW Insider Waht do you think ?
  8. NOW, can you just stop everything you are doing for one moment. Now think on this. It seems that @JW Insider is proving a fault with the GB / Watchtower / JW org concerning this false teaching of 1914. @Witness proved that the scripture 1 Corinthians 15:25 has been tampered with by whomever at the Watchtower / JW Org. But that is only one of many scriptures that have been mis-translated and / or misused by the GB / W/t / JW Org. My point here is this. I remember hearing that there was a large increase in bible studies in less educated lands. Those people will be believing every word that JWs teach. Maybe even the JWs doing the teaching believe the things they teach. So GB / W/t / JW Org, lies / false teachings, are still being taught to innocent people that maybe do not have the mental ability or available research tech' to find the truth. Mr Tom says I'm sitting on my hands. BUT, at least I'm not teaching lies. So JWs, be honest with yourselves, and more importantly be honest with God and Christ. Are you teaching GB lies to your Bible students just so that you can be part of that 'Club' which is so important to you ? It's frightening, it really is. To think that nobody on this Earth is teaching truth from God. Of course it's happened before when the Nation of Israel were disobedient, and worse when they put Christ to death. But to think that there was truth whilst the Apostles walked this Earth, for maybe 100 years then. But it's gone. Hence my hope in a True Anointed remnant, as it seems the only way to restore truth from God through Christ, by Holy Spirit.
  9. @Witness has already highlighted this for which I am grateful. We now know that the GB / Watchtower Leaders are NOT inspired of God's Holy Spirit. So why have they chosen to insert the word GOD whilst most other translations refer to HE, Jesus himself ? 1 Corinthians 15:25 New International VersionFor he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. New Living TranslationFor Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. English Standard VersionFor he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. Berean Study BibleFor He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. New King James VersionFor He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. New American Standard BibleFor He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. NASB 1995For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. NASB 1977For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. Amplified BibleFor Christ must reign [as King] until He has put all His enemies under His feet. Christian Standard BibleFor he must reign until he puts all his enemies under his feet.
  10. So you disagree with the scripture I quoted then ? And I disagree with your second sentance when the debate is or should be Bible based. The Apostles didn't even have the bible / full scriptures, although they had something much better as they were inspired by God's Holy Spirit. But I cannot quite figure out how you or other JWs can be 'no part of the world' when you and others rely so much upon the writings of 'worldly' people. The words in books, other than the Bible, are just people's opinions or a person's version of 'the facts'. If you are so easily swayed by the opinions of this 'world' then you cannot be 'no part of this world'. Why ? Because those worldly opinions have an affect on your life which causes you to think or act in harmony with them instead of in harmony wtih God's word and Jesus' direction.
  11. I make no fuss about individuality. It is the GB that does not allow it. However I do make known the faults of your bosses the GB and their 'policemen' elders. The suit and tie thing IS actually part of this world. And it's part of the reasoning from Jesus about washing the inside of the dish as well as the outside. Remember how the Jewish religious leaders would look clean on the outside, and so it is with the JW Org, all about outward appearance even though the Org is immoral. All the JW CSA pedophiles would have dressed smart to please the Org.
  12. Do you spend all your time sitting reading books ? Maybe you should take note of scripture instead. Ecclesaistes 12 : 11 through 14. The words of the wise are like oxgoads, and their collected sayings are like firmly embedded nails; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As for anything besides these, my son, be warned: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.13 The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. 14 For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad.
  13. Yes I read that one online. Putting on the complete suit of armour. I don't think Jesus was mentioned once but of course the Organisaton was mentioned.
  14. I've no idea what your message is here but I do not know anyone other that JWs that demand that i wear a suit and tie everywhere I go.
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