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  1. And so much he tried to deceive the officials that the Governing Body are not in control of the Jehovah's witnesses. Already the thing that they call themselves the Governing Body makes it clear. But it is true that the GB has no formal registered authority within the WT corporation. Because the president of the WT corporation is a non anointed brother. Seems that is a tactic to protect the GB from lawsuits. Instead it is the WT society that faces the law suits. It would be fun if the non-anointed President of the WT corporation would stop obeying the GB and would instead choose to take directions from other anointed.
  2. So sad that Jehovah's witnesses do not follow the direction in God's word where openly confessing sins is the pattern. I mean no confidential sins. For example Matthew 35 Then the people of Jerusalem and all Ju·deʹa and all the country around the Jordan were going out to him,+ 6 and they were baptized* by him in the Jordan River,+ openly confessing their sins. So this brother should have openly before the whole congregation confessed of his murders before getting baptized.
  3. Hi dear sister Arauna, I understand that the information I provided overwhelmed you. At the meetings during 2 decades there would not be as much new light as I just posted. And I see that you as all other witnesses feel very unsure about how to understand, let alone explain all the scriptures about 1260, 1290, 1335 days and 42 months and time, times and half a time. I think you would appreciate what I wrote today if you first really tried to fully comprehend the WT literatures explanations. I know you will come into a dead end because those explanations do nor add up. But give it a serious try and pray Jeahovah to make you understand. And see if you will be able to understand. But a simple alternative I will present here: Daniel 12:6 “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?”.........“It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time.* As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end,+ all these things will come to their finish.” 11 “And from the time that the constant feature*+has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place,+ there will be 1,290 days.12 “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation*and who arrives at the 1,335 days! Daniel 11:31 And arms* will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary,+ the fortress, and remove the constant feature.*+“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.+ Daniel 7:25 He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+ 26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,+ and all rulerships will serve and obey them.’28 “This is the end of the matter. So Aruna where do you see the 1260, 1290, 1335 days/time, times and half a time are placed in these scriptures? Is it not right before Christ's millenial rule?
  4. That about Russia can not be true neither with arguments presented in the WT literature. Because in Daniel 11 there is a chronological order of events. The WT rightly puts Daniel 11:31 in to the future. So the following scriptures should also be in the future. Look at this statement for example: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1999323#h=22:0-28:761 "16 Since the start of the great tribulation is yet future, is the “standing in a holy place” still ahead of us? Evidently so. While “the disgusting thing” made its appearance early in this century and has, thus, existed for decades, it will take a position in a unique way “in a holy place” in the near future." We see that the WT teaches that "the disgusting thing" will be standing in a holy place in the future. But in the same time they want to say that the "disgusting thing" has already been standing on the holy place. Can they not decide how they want to have it? Apparently not, because they feel they have to in some way tie all prophecies as close down to 1914 as possible. And the same time they understand that "the disgusting thing standing on the holy place" should follow the pattern of the events in the first century, as stated here: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001193#h=11:0-12:484 "Additional prophecies of a disgusting thing. It should be noted, however, that Daniel 11:31-35 and 12:9, 11 connect a ‘disgusting thing causing desolation’ with “the time of the end.” It is reasonable that the development of this latter expression of ‘the disgusting thing causing desolation’ in the time of the end should follow the general pattern of that in the first century C.E., though not being restricted to the land of Israel." And then WT literature explains : 18 Immediately after coming to power, Hitler launched a vicious attack against “the holy covenant,” represented by the anointed brothers of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 25:40) In this he acted “effectively” against these loyal Christians, cruelly persecuting many of them. Hitler enjoyed economic and diplomatic successes, acting “effectively” in those fields also. In a few years, he made Germany a power to be reckoned with on the world scene. "20 Hitler soon went to war, as the angel had correctly foretold: “There will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.” (Daniel 11:31a) The “arms” were the military forces that the king of the north used in order to fight the king of the south in World War II. On September 1, 1939, Nazi “arms” invaded Poland. Two days later, Britain and France declared war on Germany in order to help Poland. Thus began World War II. Poland collapsed quickly, and soon thereafter, German forces occupied Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France. “At the end of 1941,” says The World Book Encyclopedia, “Nazi Germany dominated the continent.”" 22 “They [Nazi arms] will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature,” said the angel. In ancient Judah the sanctuary was part of the temple in Jerusalem. However, when the Jews rejected Jesus, Jehovah rejected them and their temple. (Matthew 23:37–24:2) Since the first century C.E., Jehovah’s temple has actually been a spiritual one, with its holy of holies in the heavens and with a spiritual courtyard on earth, in which the anointed brothers of Jesus, the High Priest, serve. From the 1930’s onward, the “great crowd” have worshiped in association with the anointed remnant and are therefore said to serve ‘in God’s temple.’ (Revelation 7:9, 15; 11:1, 2; Hebrews 9:11, 12,24) In lands under his control, the king of the north profaned the earthly courtyard of the temple by relentlessly persecuting the anointed remnant and their companions. So severe was the persecution that “the constant feature”—the public sacrifice of praise to Jehovah’s name—was removed. (Hebrews 13:15) Despite horrible suffering, however, faithful anointed Christians together with the “other sheep” kept on preaching during World War II.—John 10:16. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101999035#h=15 (The obove quote) But this is so wrong, Germany did not cause the profanation of the "sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature" in USA. And the scripture is talking about arms not against nations like Poland but arms against the sanctuary, the fortress associated with the sanctuary and the constant feature or sacrifice. Shortly, the WT should rewrite all the explanations to prophecies they have applied to the last 100+ years. And come up with the true explanations. Even most churches are wise enough to understand that the 1260 etc days belong to the final years before Christ Jesus' return. How stupid can the WT leadership really be?
  5. I know that the WT org teaches that. But that is not true. Jesus did not begin to rule 1914 and Satan was not thrown down that year. Russell had his predictions about 1914. The end of Satan's system. But he was wrong. Then later Rutherford had to invent something because he still loved Russell's chronology so the following happened: -At the 1922 Cedar Point convention Rutherford began teaching that Christ's reign had begun in 1914,[121] and not 1878 as Russell had taught.[122] Rutherford expanded on this view in the March 1, 1925 issue of The Watch Tower in the article "Birth of The Nation", which he later acknowledged "caused a real stir or shake-up within the ranks."[88] In 1927 he moved the date of the resurrection of the "sleeping saints" (all Christians who had died since Jesus' time) from 1878 to 1918[123][124] and as early as 1930 began to dismiss the year 1874 as the date for the invisible presence of Christ in favor of the year 1914.[125][126] - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Franklin_Rutherford There are several reasons why 1914 can not be a real year of significance in the scriptural perspective. 1. That generation has already disapeared. Overlaping generation doctrine is just nonsense. 2. Satan was to have only a short time left and would be raging until the end. That does not fit 1914 because a long time has already elapsed. And instead of life going worse, life has got better almost everywhere on earth since 1914. Antibiotics have saved so many lives since then. And life has got much more cofortable since then and for very many people. And Jehovah's witnesses have enjoyed really good times in the Western world. And have got law protection to be able to freely preach and built kingdom halls. So it can not be that Satan was cast down to earth around 1914. The short period Satan gets after he is thrown down to earth is about 3 and half years. That is what all the scriptures about 1260, 1290 and 1335 days are about. Or 42 months and time, times and half a time are about. Take a look what Daniel wrote about those periods and you will see that that period belong to the ultimate end and not to 1914. Only somebody who is dishonest or very unintelligent would rather put that period back to 1914 rather than to the ultimate end of this system of things after a thorough study. I don't think they are so stupid at the writing commite or at the GB. Instead they are dishonest and refuse to admit their awful error. Plus all the brothers and sister they have disfellowshiped who has tried to expose 1914-doctrine as an error. 3. So the Great War that now is called the First World War was in fact just an other war. And surely Satan wanted that the so called First World War would be falsely tied to prophecies in the Bible. Who knows if thanks to Russell's chronology Satan organized this war so that the WT organization would be fooled all the way until now more than 100 years. Satan surely saw that within the WT organization there are truly anointed by God persons, so it would be perfect for him to fool them all with this 1914 deception. And especially delightful it would be for Satan to look at Jehovah's witnesses who claim they are in the truth when they are in the deception. Just delightful for Satan so he can day and night accuse Jehovah's witnesses before Jehovah.
  6. Sadly today's Jews in general in Israel have not learnt the lesson. The book of Zechariah in the Bible has some prophecies that have still to occure in Israel. Zechariah 13:8 “And in all the land,” declares Jehovah,“Two parts in it will be cut off and perish;*And the third part will be left remaining in it. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire;And I will refine them as silver is refined,And test them as gold is tested.+They will call on my name,And I will answer them.I will say, ‘They are my people,’+And they will say, ‘Jehovah is our God.’”
  7. @Arauna A closer intelligent look at prophecies in the bible shows that the final much needed cleansing period of about 3 and half years has not begun, but will begin very soon. But the bible also speaks about 2300 days. I am sure that period did not occure during the Second world war as the WT explains. And Daniel speaks about the WT headquarters as "the sanctuary, the fortress and the daily feature" that will be profaned. Why? That must be allowed to happen because the sins of the WT organiztion. Daniel 11:29-31
  8. I don't know exactly who chose who. But Russell chose Jehovah instead of a Trinity. So the WT organization has dedicated themselves not only to Jesus as most of the churches, but to the only true God Jehovah. So Jehovah must have been glad for that. But apostle Paul expressed surely God's view on preachers of Jesus who did that not with sincere hearts. That that was better than nothing. So churches who promote faith in Jesus and spread Bibles are and have been useful for God in some extent also. They do not represent Babylon the Great. But all claiming to be christians will be judged according to their deeds. But I would not start to associate with trinitarians or anyone that does not want to understand the truth. But it does not harm that they at least spread some bible knowledge. Even Islam has spread knowledge about biblical events and biblical persons. So maybe it was better that they conquered some parts of the world that if they had not.
  9. @JOHN BUTLER The anointed should try to be faithful and discreet slaves and give spiritual food that is right for the time. So try to look for that. Such anointed will help you through the end times.
  10. Why does the Bible say that the judgement begins with the house of God? Or that the symbolic levites in Malachi have to be cleaned or that there has to arrive a time of persecution from the King of the North to cause a cleansing and whitening? Obviously that is because of serious things that are unrighteous that they are involved in. 1Peter 4:17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.+ Now if it starts first with us,+ what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God? Malachi 3:2 “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye*+ of laundrymen. 3 And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver+ and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify* them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. Daniel 11: 33 And those having insight+ among the people will impart understanding to the many. And they will be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for some days. 34 But when they are made to stumble, they will be given a little help; and many will join with them by means of smooth speech.* 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening+until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.
  11. @Bible Speaks It is a good thing to be maellable in God's hands instead of being stiff-necked as the Isrealites were. And as long as the elders really give advise strictly according to the scripture it is good to listen to their advice. But unfortunately a whole lot of their advices based on the WT and elders' letters are commandments of men and WT org traditions and falsely applied scriptures. The same old things happens as when Jesus was on earth. Those who were responsible of the spiritual education in Israel and those who served at God's temple had gone astray in many aspects. And when Jesus tried to correct them, majority of them refused to be corrected. So how will it be this time when the judgement will begin with the house of God as apostle Peter wrote? Hopefully a majority will not refuse to be corrected. But who knows?
  12. @JOHN BUTLER could be that God sees the genetics and the circumstances a person is born to and can then largely see the path of a person.
  13. Billy, you wrote that you understand my argument in a post above. So what is your problem? And I suppose you agree that Jesus' brothers are the anointed. And what good would it make to answer your question if God has personally revealed the truth to me? To understand the word of God we don't need to hear literally God's voice. It is enough that we study his word and tie the prophecies to events that we see happen. God's invisible spirit can just make us see and understand what is really happening. And I am really not a man pleaser. I got disfellowshiped from the organization because I tried to show the elders and members of the congregation several things that were false in the WT teaching. And I am not worried if I am popular or not. It is more important for me to give spiritual food timely than to be late.
  14. Billy, why did you get baptized? Was it a sincere step to become Jesus' disciple or was it primarly to become fully accepted member of the congregation? Because I don't see from your posts that you are a sincere disciple of Jesus. Instead you seem more to be a organization-pleaser. If you was not raised as Jehovah's witness I guess you would have seriously examined if Jehovah's witnesses really teach what the Bible says. But if you was a born in Jehovah's witness you probably accepted most of the doctrines without demanding scriptural backing and without serious examination. Because that is mostly how in born witnesses are. Either way, you have now the possibility to examine if your belief system is correct. And if you are bothered by GB lies, you don't need to put your head into sand and pretend you don't know anything about that. Instead you should search for the truth. And do it with all your force. When I was baptized there was a lot of talk that it is not enough to know superficially the truth. There was a lot of talk of having accurate knowledge of the truth. But now the last years the focus has shifted from accurate knowledge to just trust the GB and what they put out. Don't you see that they have taken a very dangerous course? And to deceptively justify changes in doctrine they claim that what is now published is something good for just this time. And if they change the doctrine again they say now Jehovah wants you to hear an other thing. I don't belive that, because Jehovah wants you to know the truth accurately. He don't want you to be in spiritual darkness and that you go around and spread false doctrines. The same rules apply to Jehovah's witnesses as to other church members. Don't you agree? Very soon you will be so confused, when the attack on the holy place occures. I see it very possible this year 2019. The Yellow West disorders in France could well result in the fulfilment of the sword-stroke spoken of in Revelation 13. And what follows is described in that chapter. And a second string of evidence that the final 1260 days is very near to begin is Trump's decision to withdraw from Syria. And according to Daniel 11:30,31 this leads to Trump turning his attention on the holy covenant. And that will in turn lead to the profanation of the sanctuary and the fortress and the stopping of the constant feature. That is in other words the halt of WT organization. Chances are very high that this will happen in this year soon after Trump has taken out US troops from Syria and after the protest movement in France have been crushed. Revelation13:3 I saw that one of its heads (France) seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed,+ and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. 4 And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?” 1 Peter4:17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.+ Now if it starts first with us,+ what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God? Yes, that initiates the time for the judgement that starts with the house of God. Bethel! Daniel 11:29 “At the time appointed he will return and come against the south.(Syria) But this time will not be as it was before, 30 for the ships of Kitʹtim (Russian warships) will come against him, and he will be humbled.“He will go back (Trump has ordered US troops to leave Syria) and hurl denunciations* against the holy covenant+ and act effectively; and he will go back and will give attention to those leaving the holy covenant. 31 And arms* will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary,+ the fortress(Warwick WT headquarter), and remove the constant feature.*+“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.+ And after that it will take at least 1290 days until Armageddon. Daniel12:11 “And from the time that the constant feature*+has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place,+ there will be 1,290 days.12 “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation*and who arrives at the 1,335 days! And the following verses are about the same time that is to begin very soon. And the king in this scripture is talking about President Trump. Daniel7:25 He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+ 26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+ By the way Daniel 8:23-25 also speaks about Trump and what he will do. So Billy, if GB would be giving timely spiritual food, then they would have explained to you in the WT these scriptures and warned about what will soon happen. And they should have already explained that Donald Trump is this king in the prophecy of Daniel. But they have failed to inform the Jehovah's witnesses. That is why all these troubles has to come. Jehovah God forsaw this deplorable situation long ago. The wheat will be separated from the weeds.
  15. Look here for example how the GB wants that local anointed would be treated. You are not even allowed to ask the anointed about their anointing!!! I guess you could get disfellowshipped for that? How crazy is not that? And paragraph 11 insinuates that the local anointed could well be "false brothers" and imposters. GB just says that to make sure you don't trust your local anointed. That is wicked! Now the GB really discourages to do anything specially for the local anointed. Just the opposite what Jesus told. I wonder how many Jehovah's witnesses will continue that fatal course until the end? Here are the recent instructions from GB: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016046#h=18:0-21:581 10 How can we show appropriate respect for those whom Jehovah chooses to anoint? We would not ask them personal questions about their anointing. We thus avoid meddling with what does not concern us. (1 Thess. 4:11; 2 Thess. 3:11) We should not assume that the parents, spouse, or other relatives of one of the anointed would also be anointed. Genetics or marriage play no part in the process. (1 Thess. 2:12) We should also resist the urge to quiz spouses of anointed ones about how they feel knowing that they will live without their mate in the future earthly Paradise. Rather than raise questions that may cause pain, all of us can have full confidence that Jehovah will open his hand and “satisfy the desire of every living thing.”—Ps. 145:16. 11. How do we protect ourselves if we avoid “admiring personalities”? 11 Those who treat anointed Christians in a proper manner protect themselves from an insidious danger. The Scriptures tell us that “false brothers” can slip into the congregation. (Gal. 2:4, 5; 1 John 2:19) These impostors may even claim to be anointed. In addition, some anointed Christians might fall away from the faith. (Matt. 25:10-12;2 Pet. 2:20, 21) If we avoid the trap of “admiring personalities,” we will not be drawn away from the truth by such ones; nor will our faith suffer a crippling blow if a prominent or long-serving Christian becomes unfaithful.—Jude 16, ftn.
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