Otto

If you listen to the video with the society explanation shows you the scripture they reasoned it out on...why is it wrong in your opinion?
 
You seem to want scripturpal proof of what a generation was in the bible...where is yours to show what jesus thought a generation was?

Yes I'm sure Jesus had drug dealing dens in mind when he made that quote

COS.....
 
Personification does not prove personality. It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a “helper” and spoke of such helper as ‘teaching,’ ‘bearing witness,’ ‘giving evidence,’ ‘guiding,’ ‘speaking,’ ‘hearing,’ and ‘receiving.’ In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the masculine personal pronoun to that “helper” (paraclete). (Compare Joh 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26;16:7-15.) However, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs (1:20-33; 8:1-36); and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations. (KJ, RS, JP, AT) Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17,21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.
So, likewise with John’s account of Jesus’ words regarding the holy spirit, his remarks must be taken in context. Jesus personalized the holy spirit when speaking of that spirit as a “helper” (which in Greek is the masculine substantive pa·raʹkle·tos). Properly, therefore, John presents Jesus’ words as referring to that “helper” aspect of the spirit with masculine personal pronouns. On the other hand, in the same context, when the Greek pneuʹma is used, John employs a neuter pronoun to refer to the holy spirit, pneuʹma itself being neuter. Hence, we have in John’s use of the masculine personal pronoun in association with pa·raʹkle·tos an example of conformity to grammatical rules, not an expression of doctrine.—Joh 14:16, 17; 16:7, 8.
Lacks personal identification. Since God himself is a Spirit and is holy and since all his faithful angelic sons are spirits and are holy, it is evident that if the “holy spirit” were a person, there should reasonably be given some means in the Scriptures to distinguish and identify such spirit person from all these other ‘holy spirits.’ It would be expected that, at the very least, the definite article would be used with it in all cases where it is not called “God’s holy spirit” or is not modified by some similar expression. This would at least distinguish it as THE Holy Spirit. But, on the contrary, in a large number of cases the expression “holy spirit” appears in the original Greek without the article, thus indicating its lack of personality.—CompareAc 6:3, 5; 7:55; 8:15, 17, 19; 9:17; 11:24; 13:9, 52;19:2; Ro 9:1; 14:17; 15:13, 16, 19; 1Co 12:3; Heb 2:4; 6:4; 2Pe 1:21; Jude 20, Int and other interlinear translations

Let's not jump to any conclusions, when it comes to matters of abuse of children that could be among family members or other people within a congregation, the Elders must abide by the law, however the elders are not policemen they deal with sin not crime, but where were the parents in this issue, there are lots of unanswered questions and the elders are not available for comment maybe they did obstruct Justice maybe they did abide by the law maybe they were trying not to embarrass the child or the family, there are lots of different reasons as to why things appear as they do but not knowing the ins and outs of it doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions and assume the worst of them as you are doing and it's not that I blame you because child abuse is a serious issue all over the world today. I went through the Royal Australian commission transcripts and videos for this case against the Watchtower based on people who claimed to be abused and it's never as cut and dry as it appears. once you start to get into this you see that it is everywhere in other organisations and it must be in with the Witnesses as well but it is definitely not practiced with consent by the society and it is definitely not hidden intentionally, however because we don't have the full facts it is not easy to convince people that no wrongdoing has been committed by those in authority because sometimes, in some cases people were not taken seriously and that in itself is wrong but that doesn't mean the whole organisation is bad and Jehovah is displeased with the governing body because of the acts of the few if that were the case Jehovah would have disowned Israel from the very beginning before it even started

“Many people shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us HIS WAYS, And WE Shall walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the LAW,
 
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”  Isa 2:3
 
I TYPE IN UPPER TO SHOW MY COMMENTS EASILY..
THIS QUOTE OF ISA 2v3 SHOWS 2 THINGS IN ITS USE, THE VERSE IS SAYING THAT LAW GOES FORTH AND TEACHINGS OF TRUTH ABOUT THE WAYS OF GOD SO THOSE WHO ARE TRUE SERVANTS CAN WALK IN HIS (JEHOVAHS) WAYS...
THAT MEANS THAT CHRISTMAS, EASTER, BIRTHDAYS, TRINITY, HELLFIRE, END OF THE WORLD, RAPTURE, CROSS, UNIVERSAL SALVATION etc etc etc ARE ALL BARRIERS TO "HIS WAYS" AND "ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE" OF GOD AND HIS SON...CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?
ISA IS REFERING TO KNOWING TRUTH NOT FALSEHOOD, AND PRACTICING TRUTH.
 
ALL OF CHRISTENDOM PRACTICE THE FALSEHOOD AND THE WITNESSES PRACTICE THE TRUTH IN THAT THEY REJECT THOSE IDEAS ABOVE.
NOT KNOWING THE EXACT IDENTITY OF GOG OF MAGOG (AND THE JWs MAY BE CORRECT ON THIS ANYWAY) IS NOT REQUIRED TO WALK IN HIS LAWS, AS GOG IS NOT A LAW THAT AIDS SALVATION.

How can anyone truly know the identity before hand....we can guess...but that's all...no religion has the absolute truth on the identity until after the event...then you will know who was right or not...however salvation is not gained by knowing the identity...and being wrong is not poison...observing Christmas...birthdays..and other pagan religious based false ideas is poison..because you know they 're wrong and still do them...i bet you swallow that poison down all the time..but an educated guess with the data you have on the identity of gog is not life saving.
Now your trinity...thats poison.
Hellfire thats poison.Christmas...poison
Jesus is God...thats poison
 
Earth to be destroyed...thats poison.
 
They are things that detract from the worship of God .....in truth....Gog does not.
 
What's the point in Christendom knowing Gogs identity...when they dont know Gods.

So if you have more than the first century Christians congregation what are you complaining about maybe not believe in the Trinity, War, Hellfire... where everyone goes to heaven or the Rapture or the Holy Spirit is a person or believing in the real meaning of Armageddon or the understanding of the Resurrection maybe all of this is not enough for you.
The meaning of Gog of magog is irrelevant it doesn't matter if it changes it doesn't affect your faith it doesn't affect your ability to preach the good news of the kingdom a doctrine which is not taught by christendom and makes the Jehovah's Witnesses the only organisation on planet earth that teaches the accurate rendering of the kingdom of the heavens with all of these minor changes like gog  why are you so upset over it who cares they just details in a bigger picture so a few pieces of the puzzle are missing but the main picture is complete as I've said before if you don't like it leave but my guess is that you won't do that because you feel that you've invested so much you don't want to throw it all away you are limping on two opinions.... now where have I heard that before.. this kind of thinking or more accurately your kind of thinking is the same reason why people abandoned Christ and abandoned Israel and Moses and all the others back in history it's the same reason that cain murdered his brother I hope that you don't do the same to all of yours.

Might I suggest then that if you don't care, instead of pretending to serve God and Christ and rather getting more and more bitter and upset and  despite the fact that without the Watchtower Society you wouldn't have a belief in God,  you wouldn't have had a faith, you wouldn't be aware of anything that is happening around you and the meaning to it (providing that's what you still believe) I think that the best bet for you is rather than continue bitter and angry and live out the remaining rest of your days in such a mind set.....that you do one of two things....
you come to terms with the fact that no human on Earth and no organisation on this planet knows exactly what God wants but the Witnesses are searching where as the others are christendom... and the fact that the others are christendom is enough to put anyone off who knows the Bible... and therefore with no other alternative you man up stop complaining and focus on the positive things that the Watchtower Society has done instead of the constant negative things that you can twist to give a poor view of, if you look closely and hard enough....or
You simply leave go join another religion to satisfy your spiritual needs while you sit in your arm chair and criticise the Jehovah's Witnesses online like a good keyboard warrior.
 
But I think this applies to People Like You and others who read this if this organisation is from God despite its faults and flaws then you will find yourself actually Fighters against God on the other hand if it's not from God then it will come to nothing along with christendom as It All eventually falls apart as it obviously will one day...look around at the world.. make it yours...or leave.... it's up to you.
 
 

“Many people shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us HIS WAYS, And WE Shall walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the LAW,
 
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”  Isa 2:3
 
I TYPE IN UPPER TO SHOW MY COMMENTS EASILY..
THIS QUOTE OF ISA 2v3 SHOWS 2 THINGS IN ITS USE, THE VERSE IS SAYING THAT LAW GOES FORTH AND TEACHINGS OF TRUTH ABOUT THE WAYS OF GOD SO THOSE WHO ARE TRUE SERVANTS CAN WALK IN HIS (JEHOVAHS) WAYS...
THAT MEANS THAT CHRISTMAS, EASTER, BIRTHDAYS, TRINITY, HELLFIRE, END OF THE WORLD, RAPTURE, CROSS, UNIVERSAL SALVATION etc etc etc ARE ALL BARRIERS TO "HIS WAYS" AND "ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE" OF GOD AND HIS SON...CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?
ISA IS REFERING TO KNOWING TRUTH NOT FALSEHOOD, AND PRACTICING TRUTH.
 
ALL OF CHRISTENDOM PRACTICE THE FALSEHOOD AND THE WITNESSES PRACTICE THE TRUTH IN THAT THEY REJECT THOSE IDEAS ABOVE.
NOT KNOWING THE EXACT IDENTITY OF GOG OF MAGOG (AND THE JWs MAY BE CORRECT ON THIS ANYWAY) IS NOT REQUIRED TO WALK IN HIS LAWS, AS GOG IS NOT A LAW THAT AIDS SALVATION.

How can anyone truly know the identity before hand....we can guess...but that's all...no religion has the absolute truth on the identity until after the event...then you will know who was right or not...however salvation is not gained by knowing the identity...and being wrong is not poison...observing Christmas...birthdays..and other pagan religious based false ideas is poison..because you know they 're wrong and still do them...i bet you swallow that poison down all the time..but an educated guess with the data you have on the identity of gog is not life saving.
Now your trinity...thats poison.
Hellfire thats poison.Christmas...poison
Jesus is God...thats poison
 
Earth to be destroyed...thats poison.
 
They are things that detract from the worship of God .....in truth....Gog does not.
 
What's the point in Christendom knowing Gogs identity...when they dont know Gods.

So if you have more than the first century Christians congregation what are you complaining about maybe not believe in the Trinity, War, Hellfire... where everyone goes to heaven or the Rapture or the Holy Spirit is a person or believing in the real meaning of Armageddon or the understanding of the Resurrection maybe all of this is not enough for you.
The meaning of Gog of magog is irrelevant it doesn't matter if it changes it doesn't affect your faith it doesn't affect your ability to preach the good news of the kingdom a doctrine which is not taught by christendom and makes the Jehovah's Witnesses the only organisation on planet earth that teaches the accurate rendering of the kingdom of the heavens with all of these minor changes like gog  why are you so upset over it who cares they just details in a bigger picture so a few pieces of the puzzle are missing but the main picture is complete as I've said before if you don't like it leave but my guess is that you won't do that because you feel that you've invested so much you don't want to throw it all away you are limping on two opinions.... now where have I heard that before.. this kind of thinking or more accurately your kind of thinking is the same reason why people abandoned Christ and abandoned Israel and Moses and all the others back in history it's the same reason that cain murdered his brother I hope that you don't do the same to all of yours.

Might I suggest then that if you don't care, instead of pretending to serve God and Christ and rather getting more and more bitter and upset and  despite the fact that without the Watchtower Society you wouldn't have a belief in God,  you wouldn't have had a faith, you wouldn't be aware of anything that is happening around you and the meaning to it (providing that's what you still believe) I think that the best bet for you is rather than continue bitter and angry and live out the remaining rest of your days in such a mind set.....that you do one of two things....
you come to terms with the fact that no human on Earth and no organisation on this planet knows exactly what God wants but the Witnesses are searching where as the others are christendom... and the fact that the others are christendom is enough to put anyone off who knows the Bible... and therefore with no other alternative you man up stop complaining and focus on the positive things that the Watchtower Society has done instead of the constant negative things that you can twist to give a poor view of, if you look closely and hard enough....or
You simply leave go join another religion to satisfy your spiritual needs while you sit in your arm chair and criticise the Jehovah's Witnesses online like a good keyboard warrior.
 
But I think this applies to People Like You and others who read this if this organisation is from God despite its faults and flaws then you will find yourself actually Fighters against God on the other hand if it's not from God then it will come to nothing along with christendom as It All eventually falls apart as it obviously will one day...look around at the world.. make it yours...or leave.... it's up to you.
 
 

If you watch the video by David splane it explains it very clearly I don't see the problem no need for hand puppets no supposedly complex calculations there is nothing complex about it... it's simple example of a generation from the bibles record makes it easier to understand I suggest you watch it again if you have a problem with the concept

I thought about this illustration, do we know if the steward had complete control over his masters debts, if so, he had the right to do what he did. it wasn't stealing, what was owed was more than the master had laid out in the 1st place...any thoughts?

How can anyone truly know the identity before hand....we can guess...but that's all...no religion has the absolute truth on the identity until after the event...then you will know who was right or not...however salvation is not gained by knowing the identity...and being wrong is not poison...observing Christmas...birthdays..and other pagan religious based false ideas is poison..because you know they 're wrong and still do them...i bet you swallow that poison down all the time..but an educated guess with the data you have on the identity of gog is not life saving.
Now your trinity...thats poison.
Hellfire thats poison.Christmas...poison
Jesus is God...thats poison
 
Earth to be destroyed...thats poison.
 
They are things that detract from the worship of God .....in truth....Gog does not.
 
What's the point in Christendom knowing Gogs identity...when they dont know Gods.

Do you not think that the situation is serious enough without commenting on the only mistake in the entire account.
Is it not a serious enough problem that the Jehovah's Witnesses are banned in Russia and are being beaten up and attempts on their lives made for their faith and the best that you can come up with is a typo.
Are you sure that you are a brother or have you slipped through the net and not been caught out as an opposer to the Witnesses.
I have to ask because every comments you've made so far has been negative and a weak attempt at ridicule.

Do you not think that the situation is serious enough without commenting on the only mistake in the entire account.
Is it not a serious enough problem that the Jehovah's Witnesses are banned in Russia and are being beaten up and attempts on their lives made for their faith and the best that you can come up with is a typo.
Are you sure that you are a brother or have you slipped through the net and not been caught out as an opposer to the Witnesses.
I have to ask because every comments you've made so far has been negative and a weak attempt at ridicule.

I thought about this illustration, do we know if the steward had complete control over his masters debts, if so, he had the right to do what he did. it wasn't stealing, what was owed was more than the master had laid out in the 1st place...any thoughts?