ShariKind

I agree, @Space Merchant Death is not our friend. I look forward to seeing many of those I have loved and hoping they will appreciate Jehovah. 

On 7/9/2018 at 11:55 AM, Space Merchant said:

The problem here is Trinitarians, well at this point, the James White Tribe, will say God only knows and they accept that God is the Father, which is understandable, but at the same time, they will say Jesus knows and they will contradict their own belief regarding Jesus being God, as well as the Holy Spirit, of which they make-believe into the text to be regarded as a person. Furthermore, it kills the notion of them saying Jesus is all knowing, for if Jesus was indeed all knowing, the day and hour would be a piece of cake, being able to make mention of it without hesitation.

Acts 1:7 even says it does not belong to know what the Father knows about what He has already scheduled.

This is why when they attempt to teach the idea of a Triune God, small things like this they twist in order to keep their sinking boat of a belief afloat and it is a shame too, for such ones do not understand what their bible says.

Here's one of the problems as I see it. There is such a wonderful hope for mankind. Even if we portray that hope, some complain that some "won't make it." Or worse. So the hope the Bible puts out for righteous minded people is just not enough for some, few who object really believe that anything will improve anyway, including the entire dissipation of the earth. Many of the leading scientists believe the earth is on a destructive final course. but the Bible gives us hope. I don't see death as anyone's friend. I also feel sorry for some who feel they must take their own lives because they just can't live with themselves. It's sad, and I know God will correct this, too.

22 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

@ShariKind Most Trinitarians use the King James Version (KJV), as well as the New King James Version (NKJV) of the Bible, some will tend to use the New International Version (NIV) and or the American Standard, be it New and or Revised (AS, NASB, RAS). At times the Revised Standard Version (RSV), for the RSV is the go to for Modalist and Homosexuals also when it comes to defending a practice that does not originate with God.

This Trinitarian in particular is using the New World Translation, NWT in a majority of his post, however, he never quotes a verse directly, saying just says the book, chapter and verse only majority of the time, rarely a quite and ignores the cross-references. If I am not mistaken, the NWT itself literally holds your hand when it comes to cross-references to a passage and or verse, but he does not use it, in fact, Trinitarians only use cross-references to support their belief, an example would be 1 Peter 1:1 and 2, they will use this verse, but never go to verse 3 because it defeats the purpose of their belief, or John 10:30, yet they never go to John 10:16, 10:48, 17:11, 17:21-26.

As for questions, you can simply make a list of them, perhaps me or someone else can answer some. It would seem the surprise of which I have spoken of has been revealed to you, as expected, this is why I compare Deserter to the preacher known as Bob the Builder, for Bob has resurfaced again with his outlandish claims and trying to start a fight with someone who knows the Bible better than him.

Thanks. Sometimes things are a bit complicated and so I ask questions. And sometimes there is too much information so I don't ask any questions. ?

OK now, I'm new to this forum, so my question is: is yours above the first post in this thread? (That's #1 question for starters.)

1 hour ago, Jesus.defender said:

Wrong, they will say, oh, God tells us that God the father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are each referred to as God. 

We are also told that there is only one God. Therefore, SOMEHOW, the three "entities" ( for want of a better phrase ) constitute the one, everlasting, eternal God.

 

If we must reject everything that we cannot understand, God help us!

Whether you answer or not, I do have a few questions. Naturally it would be helpful if you would answer, but I'll ask them anyway. It is important to know which Bible translation you use and if you believe it is directly the word of God, as if the translation itself is dictated by God. Perhaps we can discuss that in another thread. Because God does not tell us that there are three entities each called God combining into one entity called God.

46 minutes ago, Jesus.defender said:

I will no longer be addressing anything on this thread.

This is due to the behavior and attitude of a few people.

 

I have started and may start new threads if anyone wants to participate in those.

Or, start a thread and mention me and i will respond.

 

But, PLEASE, ONE topic per thread or just a couple of Bible verses per thread, otherwise i will not bother.

I laugh pretty easily, but your response gave me a good laugh. Also, I must say that from reviewing a couple of your posts, you put in a lot of information and do you expect people to accept your information without question?

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The problem here is Trinitarians, well at this point, the James White Tribe, will say God only knows and they accept that God is the Father, which is understandable, but at the same time, they will say Jesus knows and they will contradict their own belief regarding Jesus being God, as well as the Holy Spirit, of which they make-believe into the text to be regarded as a person. Furthermore, it kills the notion of them saying Jesus is all knowing, for if Jesus was indeed all knowing, the day and hour would be a piece of cake, being able to make mention of it without hesitation.

Acts 1:7 even says it does not belong to know what the Father knows about what He has already scheduled.

This is why when they attempt to teach the idea of a Triune God, small things like this they twist in order to keep their sinking boat of a belief afloat and it is a shame too, for such ones do not understand what their bible says.

That's why, when someone really examines the Trinity doctrine, a normal person will scratch his head and say, "What"? And because it's been claimed that the Trinity is incomprehensible (i.e. a mystery), that settles it. LOL! ? 

6 hours ago, Brother Rando said:

If Jesus is not the firstborn of every creature according to you, then want does it mean?   Are you now really going to Claim God is the firstborn of every creature?  Don't creatures come from Creation?  How is it that you claim Jesus always existed when he is Firstborn?  According to the scriptures, "For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.  And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man." (John 5:26-27)

Since you claim "Jesus is God'   God never granted the Son to have life in himself?    Who gave Jesus this authority to Judge?  In order for Jesus to begotten from the Father, didn't the Father have to perform an act to bring forth his Son.  

Did God learn obedience from the things he suffered or Jesus Christ?    And what about Peter who your religion claims was the First Pope?  Why are you rejecting the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ? (1 Peter 1:3)

The Bible says, "No Man has seen God at ANYTIME" (John 1:18)  

 

 

 

Now THAT is a good question to ask -- if Jesus is God, and the "firstborn of every creature," (and, I might add, if Jesus is God-in-the-flesh thus quite different from the other two persons of the Trinity) is it that God is firstborn? Because unless someone wants to come up with their own theology, it does not add up.

1 hour ago, Brother Rando said:

Well... Didn't Jesus call the religious leaders who were claiming Jesus is equal to God hypocrites and offspring of vipers???

YES or NO?   Aren't you denying Christ by claiming Jesus is God?  Jesus didn't know the hour or day... ummmmmm

Question for Jesus.defender: would you say Christ did not know the day or hour because he was God in a human body and therefore did not know as much as God not in a human body?

1 hour ago, Jesus.defender said:

@Jesus.defender

You said Jesus has always existed. How do you figure this?

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

@ShariKind Alright, but always expect surprises that do not connect with what is being asked.

As they say in my old neighborhood, "atsa ok..." ? Have a great day, Space Merchant.

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

@ShariKind He will not answer. Trinitarians like @Jesus.defender are known to tap-dance around such things, like football players with butter fingers cannot catch a ball at all. They say things they cannot prove and will reduce to a child-like state and resort to insult, false accusations and silliness, something of which is being in full display here - When proven wrong he will say utter nonsense, when proven wrong by a JW, he resorts to bashing JWs.

I haven't been here that long to determine Jesus.defender's pattern, but since he made the statement as such: that Jesus was not on the earth in bodily form before  the New Testament was written, I just wanted to know if he thinks he was on earth in any form in Old Testament times. (Body or not, because there ARE supposed to be three of them, maybe not in form, shape or size, I still would like Jesus.defender to explain his statement, if he can.)

On 7/1/2018 at 12:48 AM, Jesus.defender said:

Wow, ONE verse.Good on you!

 

Yes, in the OLD TESTAMENT times, Jesus was not on the earth in BODILY form.

 

So, at that time, correct.

Here is where I believe you said that in the Old Testament times, Jesus was not on the earth in bodily form. That was on July 1. If that was you, then I ask you if you think he was on earth in any form in Old Testament times.

3 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Sorry, i meant "Unlike the watchtower followers, i am allowed to think for myself and read the Bible WITHOUT watchtower influence."

 

Now you are off onto a DIFFERENT topic, the rapture and heaven.

 

What subject DO you want to discuss?

Sorry, it was an example of free thought without a concerted and educated effort for basis of a thought.

22 hours ago, ShariKind said:

Do you believe he was on the earth at all prior to his appearance as a man?

@Jesus.defender,do you believe Jesus was on the earth prior to his appearance as a man? I think it's important to understand inasmuch as the Bible allows us to. You said, Jesus was not on the earth in BODILY form (prior to his human birth). Do you think he was ever on the earth before that in some shape?

20 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

@Brother Rando "You are forced to deny the son who was begotten from the Father.   "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)  "

Unless the watchtower cult, i am allowed to think for myself and read the Bible WITHOUT watchtower influence.

I am forced to accept what the Bible says.

But how? I mean many people claim to accept what the Bible says, but they interpret it in their own way. For instance, many believe they are going to be taken to heaven when the earth is burned up, they take this literally as the earth being burned up. (That's just one example of how some believe how the end of the world will happen, although you are on a different subject, the point is: accepting what the Bible says can have many variations of thought as to what it really says.)

On 7/1/2018 at 12:48 AM, Jesus.defender said:

Wow, ONE verse.Good on you!

 

Yes, in the OLD TESTAMENT times, Jesus was not on the earth in BODILY form.

Do you believe he was on the earth at all prior to his appearance as a man?

On 6/23/2018 at 12:12 AM, Space Merchant said:

When you are built up in a strict Christian community, to learn the bible religiously to the point of it being intertwined with your life, you adhere to truth, and nothing more. You begin to learn of what truth is and who is actually seeking truth, let alone strive to be close to what is true.

That is a wonderful statement.