Jesus.defender

Really? "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!" He called people the sons of satan, liars, hypocrites and told them they were going to hell.

Wrong. The watchtower has LIED to you. Jesus created ALL things. the watchtower inserted the word "other" just before the word "things". But, the original does NOT say that! 6ὅτι (because) ἐν (in) αὐτῷ (Him) ἐκτίσθη (were created) τὰ (-) πάντα (all things) ἐν (in) τοῖς (the) οὐρανοῖς (heavens) καὶ (and) ἐπὶ (upon) τῆς (the) γῆς (earth), τὰ (the) ὁρατὰ (visible) καὶ (and) τὰ (the) ἀόρατα (invisible), εἴτε (whether) θρόνοι (thrones) εἴτε (or) κυριότητες (dominions) εἴτε (or) ἀρχαὶ (rulers) εἴτε (or) ἐξουσίαι (authorities); τὰ (-) πάντα (all things) δι’ (through) αὐτοῦ (Him) καὶ (and) εἰς (unto) αὐτὸν (Him) ἔκτισται (have been created).

You obviously did NOT read my post. what you SHOULD of said was "Jacob got rights of first born but he was not first created" Jesus is greated than david because Jesus CREATED david!

No, you are witnesses of the watchtower.

Really? You answer a question with another question? Why should the watchtower organization even tell you what to do in your own time?! Jesus NEVER instituted an organisation or theocratic kingdom on earth

You know what i mean. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" I heard the wt baptizes people into the name of the "organisation"

What name does the WT use for their baptisms?

Yes. And the watchtower has a history on being wrong on MANY topics. ie: Will the men of Sodom be resurrected? Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8 No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338 Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479 No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31 Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179 No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179 Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985 No...Revelation book, page 273. 6,000 years from Adam ended in A.D. 1872. (Daily Heavenly Manna, inside cover page) 6,000 years of human history ended in 1873.(The Time is at Hand, p.33) 6,000 years of human history ended in 1972.(The Truth Shall Make You Free, p.152, 1943 edition) 6,000 years of human history ended in 1975. (Awake!, October 8th, 1968, page 15).

Then you are NOT a Jehovah's Witness. "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. ( ie: the watchtower organisation )" (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22) "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 ) "Fight for Jesus" That IS what i am doing right now, my friend. "but wthout Jehovah, you NEVER will reach the goal for everlasting life, sorry ;-(" You are right. _I_ can do NOTHING. JESUS has already done it and promised me eternal, everlasting life. "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins." ( DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS THE I AM? ) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ( HAVE YOU BEEN BORN AGAIN? )

Really? You could not even address the quotes i gave? This is your OWN material. it is NOT "apostate".

Address the verses i gave. Not just give your opinion.

Show me the source for this, please. which Bible, etc? First creation was Jesus in heaven and firstborn as a man on earth." That is NOT what the Bible teaches. You are twisting things to suit your theology. Let me guess, the WATCHTOWER taught you this. If Jesus created ALL things, then He cant have been created. The word "other" which the watchtower deceitfully inserts into your translation is NOT found anywhere in the original.

Jacob was not first CREATED

True. How can we trust the current "light" they have if it is going to "get brighter" or get replaced by "new light" maybe tomorrow? "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. ( ie: the watchtower organisation )" (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22) "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 ) "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization ( ie: the watchtower ), not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible." (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.) "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.( ie: the watchtower )" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8.) "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). "commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah … commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah…" The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah" - How? pp.58,62 "… commission to speak as a "prophet" in His name…" Watchtower 1972 Mar 15 p.189 "The Watchtower is a magazine without equal in the earth …. This is not giving any credit to the magazine's publishers, but is due to the great Author of the Bible with it truths and prophecies, and who now interprets its prophecies." Watchtower 1943 Apr 15 p.127 "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

Address the scripture verses i gave. You cannot.