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Will their ban really stop any of us from exposing this apostate website? They may ban a billion of us, but we will persist while they falsely identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses and tarnish the divine name with their apostasy. I have personally witnessed the disgraceful act of someone insulting a deceased mother, so it would not come as a surprise if James were to repeat such behavior. It is disheartening to see that this is the type of conduct that some members of the closed club condone. Indeed, you are correct. There are individuals among us who possess higher degrees and understand how to properly apply them, especially when it involves admonishing our brothers for their wrongful conduct as guided by scripture. However, there are those who unjustly criticize individuals like myself, demonstrating a lack of spiritual maturity due to their misguided intentions and incorrect interpretation of scripture.

So, why are people like you, James/Pudgy, even allowed in the closed club? Is that really the best excuse you have for your rants and madness? The thread's main purpose is to address uninformed apostates, yet you individuals within the closed club decided to include yourselves in that ignorance. Hence, it should be advisable to remain in your hypocritical club.

Why do you persist in defending a loudmouth who is indefensible? By now, one would expect spiritual maturity to have set in and made a significant impact. You complain about fights and Christian love, when you can't even show it to me. That is also indefensible and has been for about a decade. You are not my enemy, but your actions are aligned with those of God's enemy. How does publicly representing Jehovah's Witnesses, like the dishonest witness Anna, fit into your scheme? You seem to pick and choose which of Paul's words to abide by while imposing those same words on others in the name of human loyalty. James' perverse behavior is his fault, not mine. Despite this, he chooses to argue about sexual child abuse alongside the other apostate, Srecko, even though he cannot justify his own actions. Where does such a mindset belong in a rational debate? This is why I have become an adversary in the eyes of your people, because you refuse to accept the truth. Therefore, your perspective lacks any valid justification based on scripture, and it will continue to do so unless you modify your mindset. The way Srecko tirelessly seeks unjust consequences for child abuse, despite being backed by an individual who lacks moral integrity, is quite remarkable. It raises the question: is Srecko's behavior foolish, ultimately robbing him of any credibility? It brings to mind the foolishness exhibited by John Butler, who shamelessly spread unfounded allegations of child abuse. Many gullible individuals like Anna fell for his deceit, until he changed his stance to support James. Suddenly, James' claims lacked substantial evidence, reducing them to mere gossip. Where is the rationale for any of it? Your behavior is creating a negative impression, and it appears that professional help may be necessary.

You are clearly an immature person, Anna, seeking to ban others like you have done in the past. Your behavior reflects poorly on you. So, crawl back in your hole the closed club with the right of the fake witnesses. Why are you condoning their insults and profanity? Have you even heard of a nob? Educate yourself! And to think, Tom, Xero, Pudgy, Pete started the fights and yet you have the audacity to call me immature. There's a limit to delusion, you know.

Since I'm referring to someone who behaves childishly, let me point out that Jesus exhibited far more maturity as a carpenter than any of you combined. It was James who made the comparison about how people might interpret what I'm saying, and even someone considered less than average in your eyes can attain spiritual maturity, although your behavior proves the opposite. Therefore, the childish comment about being roasted is less relevant than immature remarks. Also, what was Tom's pathetic remark about scholars as a book hack "reflecting poor scholarship and intellectual deterioration" Pudgy: "Georgie, You assume that everybody but you is stupid, and are ignorant fools, so naturally you would not see it." There is yet another ignorant individual in this closed club who dares to insult scholars, despite lacking the necessary education. And yet, they shamelessly boast about it. I find it baffling that you foolish people continue to engage in a pointless argument with me, instead of condemning other people and yourself. It is clear to me that you are all immature and lacking in wisdom. Tom attempted to reprimand me for not behaving like a witness, but the truth is that it is you who are failing to act as witnesses by not recognizing your own role in perpetuating conflict and discord. What is the experience like of being a Pharisee? By assuming this role, you have essentially placed yourself in opposition to being a Nazirite. That suggests that you may have some mental concerns, and it would be advisable to seek professional evaluation. I can only deduce from your arguments that you simply prove your own ignorance. It is rather ironic how you unknowingly contradict yourself. Even though Tom has made the outrageous claim that I am leading a double life, it is actually him who is living a double life as an apostate. If Tom truly believes that the Elders are aware of what is happening here, as he implies, then he should have the courage to inform them that he is defending a disfellowshipped pervert here in the name of Christian love. Let's see how they respond to that. It is this lack of critical thinking that truly characterizes people like Tom as ignorant individuals. Did Jesus have contact with Judas after his resurrection? Before making misguided comparisons about Jesus as a carpenter, one should first seek to understand scripture. Doing so will prevent you from looking more foolish. So, let's not start being blasphemers as well, witnesses, what a joke. Remember, you are proud of defending a disfellowshipped pervert. Would the Watchtower commend you or condemn you for showing your Christian love to such a deviant, especially an unrepentant one, when scripture won't? You lack secular and scriptural expertise. Why should people find your nonsense and apostasy as Jehovah's Witnesses credible when you are nothing more than pathetic individuals pretending to be one? Learn to tell the differences in arguments between secular education and biblical education that you people seem to confuse with your fights. Grow Up! Xero, it would be like you blaming me because you can't figure out Nineveh 612 BC, when the clueless one is you.

Your opinion means absolutely nothing, especially coming from someone like you. I suggest focusing on obtaining a reputable education. It might help you realize that you're not as unintelligent as you seem to believe. Though perhaps you can persuade yourself, in my eyes, you will always be insignificant. As I have more important matters to attend to than engaging with an immature troublemaker turned deviant, I will leave you to your own devices. Let me know when you want to revert to what 77 years now behaving like a 2-year-old, how pathetic.

I wouldn't expect other than a stupid response from you simple plumber, get some real education.

This is the reason why I declined your challenge to prove your apostasy, as it only serves to highlight your ignorance about scripture. To you and most people here, "apostasy" is believed to be simply, a renunciation of one's faith. This view is quite absurd and lacks a full understanding of scripture. It's unfortunate that there are other denominations within the Christian faith that approach this matter with far more intellectual depth. Apostasy can also encompass the distortion of truth and scripture, including the act of self-interpretation. This is something that is all too frequently practiced here. I encourage you to delve into a book and examine the ancient language to understand why individuals like Aries made their choices. https://www.gotquestions.org/apostasy.html If you had understood, you would have applied 1 Timothy 4, 2 Thessalonians 2, and several other texts to address that ignorance instead of questioning how one can prove apostasy. This is a case of deviating from the truth due to personal conviction, just in case you get a headache from critical thinking. Now, consider this: What is the significance of the enthronement of Christ in heaven in 1914 in relation to the continuation of Christ's memorial until after his kingdom is established on earth as it is in heaven? This ignorant mindset is a clear demonstration of self-delusion (interpretation) and, consequently, heretical thinking. Do I have any concern if you acknowledge the illustration of your foolishness? Absolutely none. Is this the sole example, James/Pudgy? Not in the slightest.

That's precisely why it's futile to try to reason with a stupid and uncivilized mindset. Your actions only confirm my argument. So, by answering your own question, you have discovered how you perceive yourself.

This topic can also be applied to certain individuals who have lost faith in God. Too easy. I don't know if you're trying to convince the public or yourself about your bad behavior and associations. If it's yourself you're trying to persuade, you're doing a commendable job. However, I must say that some of us can see right through your deception. You're not alone in that regard. When it comes to proving your apostate behavior, I don't need to provide evidence as you are doing an excellent job of proving it yourself. Whether you accept it or not, is inconsequential. Therefore, your defense of each other does not matter. We simply need to see this group of people for who they are and what they represent. The same can be said about your other viewpoints, such as education. However, the relentless pursuit of deflection and shifting the argument towards irrelevant matters, as well as employing deceitful tactics, proves ineffective. Let me ask you this: How can someone without proper education and lacking skills in a specific field produce a credible and insightful result that presents an accurate depiction of reality? If you rely solely on guesswork, the result will be nothing more than a guess. Consider the value of thorough research. What use is extensive research if your focus is solely on proving your own point, causing you to overlook a myriad of other possibilities? Engaging in thorough and comprehensive research is crucial to avoid the pitfalls of subpar investigation, much like the unfortunate missteps taken by COJ. Merely expressing dissatisfaction when results fail to meet expectations is not the path to true learning. Instead, true growth and knowledge acquisition are fostered by delving into a wide array of sources and considering multiple perspectives - an approach akin to that is embraced by the Watchtower. When you receive an alternative view, you categorically reject it as if you hold the ultimate authority. However, the truth is that you possess no expertise in the area you are presenting arguments on. You have no credentials to back up your claims. Hence, personal interpretations or opinions serve as feeble justifications for claiming knowledge. Merely having work experience or a degree in one particular field does not entitle one to expertise in all other fields. I am inclined to agree with Xero that your group should undergo a psychological assessment, as it seems that rather than thinking critically, you are being swayed by a mutual reinforcement of the same ideology with each other. In my opinion, this way of thinking is flawed as it rejects the concept of independence. If one of you is mistaken based on this mindset, then all of you are equally mistaken since the perception exists. You are reinforcing each other's questionable conclusions, while your conscience complacently allows it. Explain how a plumber/engineer should be taken seriously despite your current status. What part of your public record is a lie, and how can you convince the public you have been reinstated as a witness given your sad attitude here? What was your mindset in 2020 that makes you expect people to embrace your distorted truths now, when they were dismissed before? In your case, there are numerous aspects that now seem utterly irrelevant and unworthy of discussion. Once again, I must direct your attention to Xero's comment, as it accurately reflects the image you portray to the public. It appears that Jehovah's Witnesses are perceived as individuals with unstable mental states or as members of a deranged cult, given the actions and behavior displayed by your community. This raises concerns regarding the value of your education and the message you convey. How can such negative perceptions be beneficial in any language? Ultimately, it's you who is leading yourself astray. You should not be confronting me, but rather confronting yourself. Embracing cognitive truth requires a rational mind.

James/Pudgy has been disfellowshipped, I misspoke about that. However, he is still a friend to the closed club despite this circumstance. The welcome mat is out. Why shouldn't they, since they allow apostates and opposers on this site? Thus, there is truly no difference when it comes to association. I want to make it clear that I'm not implying that everyone here is a fake witness. I'm specifically talking about those outspoken individuals who constantly promote apostasy. They know who they are from the closed club and this open forum. Sometimes, a couple of more are added to that list. That's the kind of fellowship they really want. It appears that some individuals derive great joy from disparaging the Watchtower and indulging in gossip. I guess that's what they live for.

I want to clarify that I am not a confessed pervert, nor am I disfellowshipped. The individuals who accuse me of such behavior should be the ones facing disfellowshipment. At least the public can now see through the facade of these false witnesses. But, then again, this has been happening here since 2013 from the old platform, and 2016 from this subpar site. Once again, let me know when you decide to grow up to be real men. You people just keep proving my point.

Let me know when you want to act like a men Xero/Tom, and stop behaving like a little girl, any of you. Well, I don't expect that from James, she to far gone.

Yep! That's why you people are nobs, and always will be.

@xero I'll extend the same advice that I gave Pete/Pudgy, let me know when you want to start behaving like a real man rather than a little whinny girl.

That's great for him. However, it is contradictory to identify oneself as a JW while accepting a disfellowshipped individual into the community merely based on personal preference rather than true devotion to God. It seems that some former elders display such characteristics along with their mentally unstable companions like Xero. It appears to me that this inconsiderate alias Xero individual has forgotten about the garbage they had shown us before. However, some of us still remember it vividly. However, it is ironic that the closed club complains about trolls when they themselves engage in similar behavior.

That is absolutely correct, which is precisely why it is crucial for you to prioritize and assess your mental well-being. Doing so may help you recognize and address any signs of unconstructive behavior.

I do not go door to door on Christmas to entice children outside, unlike some of you. This reflects more on your behavior as disfellowshipped and villains. I believe it is important to mention that insults have no effect on me, as they only inflict pain on individuals who are whinny little girls like yourselves. So, you let me know when you want to grow up and start acting like real men, not obtuse boys, because at this point, I must say, you are truly an embarrassment to the entire human race. When it comes to being invited to brotherly gatherings, it seems like I have to turn down an invitation every week due to my busy schedule. But what about you? What will be your justification for being asked to join an apostate club? It's high time for you to reflect and not let your age show so clearly, Pete/Pudgy. Unlike me, who is not bound by any laws or restrictions, I am free to come and go as I please, without being confined to any sort of house arrest.

It seems that you have never been around a group of scholars. We tackle issues directly by being straightforward, without behaving like timid individuals. If you are looking for something meaningful to write in your books, try to understand the real world from their perspective, not your own. You might gain some valuable insights, since you have failed to apply scripture in your lives just to be friends with this world. How many have you led astray with your actions, thinking that you bear no responsibility for their plight? It appears to me that those who have squandered their lives pretending to be Jehovah's Witnesses are none other than yourselves. It is hypocritical to complain about disrespect while offering the same in return. It's important for everyone to self-reflect and evaluate their own mental state. I believe in treating others the same way I am treated, and even more so when it comes to matters concerning God. Speaking ill of our creator is something that no one should ever do.

I would never even consider joining an apostate club worse than this one. At least here, apostates are honest about who they are, while you fake witnesses hide behind your foolishness. I will agree, after so long, you people still lack intelligence in most areas. In your anger you forgot the "y" in Pudgy, lol! Get a life Tom! Your feeble attempt to accuse me of lacking Christian ethics pales in comparison to your own moral failings of permitting a disfellowshipped individual into the close club solely because you have a liking for him. It is clear that your judgment is far more lacking than mine, ex-elder. It's evident that the reasons behind your removal are significant. Therefore, your words, along with those of your followers, ring hollow in light of your own deplorable conduct, which is far worse than mine.

Your knowledge of God was erased from your conscience as a result of your betrayal.

To spanish the people, culture is hard to remove. Pride usually contributes to it, much like it does here.I would use Huitzilopochtli as an example of not endorsing the adoption of a Spanish tradition influenced by Chinese culture. The Pinata was not restricted to birthdays, or catechism. It could be used at a party in general. However, I have never observed any baptized witnesses engaging in this form of entertainment in California. It is possible that unbaptized individuals, or what were commonly referred to as acquaintances or friends, may have enjoyed it. I just never observed it.

What issue is so insurmountable that it cannot be resolved through a thorough evaluation? Was my attempt to offer friendly advice perceived as disrespectful, considering that he confessed to engaging in a secretive activity under his name? It's time to come down from your pedestal! You people don't care in the closed club since you accept disfellowshipped people as you rightly admitted to.

It appears that the ignorance being displayed here is coming from you, Tom/Xero. Now you seem to want to act in a disrespectful manner, just like James. Your behavior is truly pathetic.

If you are unable to comprehend the thread, it reflects more on your abilities than on the thread itself. One crucial point to recognize is that Tom's understanding of the GB update #2 was inaccurate. Perhaps even your sad calculator could analyze that and make sense of it.