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Consider this alternative perspective: There was no darkness in the original plan, as it was not created by God but rather by Satan, who then imposed it on humanity. Therefore, there was no initial need for light to counteract this type of human darkness (evil). Now, how did the angels become aware of Satan's malevolent intentions? It was only in the Garden that they discovered Satan's attempt to exalt himself as a god. It was after this event that other angels began to emulate Satan's defiance of God's sovereignty. Can Humanity emulate Satan's intent? Sure they can. Nothing positive can arise from the words or reign of Satan, just like nothing positive can come out of humanity by misdirection. For a long time, people have overlooked the fact that there is a scriptural provision about the Holy Spirit of God. This provision, found in Matthew 12, is essentially connected to God's sovereignty. Any attack on God's sovereignty is, in essence, an attack on His Holy Spirit. Jesus, having an understanding of this heavenly truth, emphasized it so strongly. it was placed in the bible for a good reason. It is alarming to think about what could potentially lead someone to lose their lives due to the gravity of this harsh reality. Satan will lose his for it permanently. Here it is. As soon as Satan dared to challenge God's sovereignty, his fate was sealed. There was absolutely no room for redemption, for God understood that Satan's actions would lead to the downfall of billions of His creations. As a result, forgiveness was completely out of the question. The same principle applies to those who dare to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit of God. It is a direct act of defiance and rejection towards God's absolute authority. Such an offense carries no possibility of pardon or redemption whatsoever. This is why scripture includes a warning about those who dare to challenge the Holy Spirit of God, stating that they will not be forgiven. This principle applies to both heavenly and earthly beings, signifying the seriousness of the matter. Satan's deliberate defiance will ultimately lead to his downfall, as he is unable to recognize the truth that aligns with God's will. Instead, he uses his rejection of the truth as a justification for the suffering he has inflicted upon humanity. The same principle applies to the spirit of God, but on a personal level. Can someone perceive the destructive nature of a person that could lead to blaspheming against God's Holy Spirit? Yes, they can. People may argue that they cannot, but this is because they blind themselves with loyalty to humanity rather than aligning themselves with God. It all began with Satan, and his influence persists until Christ's kingdom reigns on earth from heaven. Hence, if on the day of judgment, should an individual be condemned or find themselves absent from the book of life, they will not have the privilege of shifting responsibility onto another for the choices they made in their personal existence. Each of us will be held accountable by God on an individual basis, not as a collective.

Actually the four heads belong to you, with your sock puppets, Matthew, Pete, Srecko, and whoever else you conjure up at Satan's request. You have no game old man. Never did, never will. Do not deny your involvement if I am blamed for being deleted because of you, as you frequently do. People support you despite your role in the situation, just as they defend their own flawed behavior. They may claim to be JWs, but God does not see them as such. Despite being a supposedly JW-friendly site, it still welcomes apostates and those who have been disfellowshipped, including yourself. It is foolish to stand up for such actions. Also, don't continue with that ad-hominem nonsense, it's lame since your insults go beyond that with your vulgar words that you and others seem to get away with here are far worse. However, there are no consequences for people who allow themselves to be deceived by individuals who were once elders or ministerial servants. These individuals may not hold any value to God, yet they persist in making false claims. Furthermore, individuals who utilize various aliases to return and prevent the perpetuation of deception on this platform are exposing its true nature. This site is not visitor-friendly; instead, it is a disgraceful haven for disgruntled witnesses who hold no significance. It is not the fault of these individuals that you and others make extensive efforts to obstruct them. As you are not banned, you are entitled to retain your username. It's unclear why you decided to change your handle from JTR to Pudgy, unless it was due to legal reasons or embarrassment from being caught. However, for those who wish to come back to this site with a different handle, the decision to do so despite facing unnecessary security measures ultimately lies with them.

Imagine if people knew the kind of person you truly are and still defended you. Your charges and current status speak for themselves. If speaking the truth gets me banned and others choose to support a loudmouth like you, it says more about them than it does about me. Someone else will surely step up in my place. Like I said, you want to get nasty with me, I'll treat like the lowlife that you have always been.

Why were you arrested for distribution of child pornography if it wasn't true? The truth cannot be erased. It seems unlikely that the government would go through such lengths to arrest you for something that is untrue. Deny that your arrest was not justified. Challenge the validity of the cause of your arrest. You want to act like a disgusting animal with me, then I'll treat you like an uncivilized disgusting lowlife that you are. That's truth. I just did with your lie about me saying it but its not true comment, prove me wrong.

A billion words can't change your ignorant viewpoint on semantics, but who cares, it's only you, a disfellowshipped nobody and a poor excuse of a human being.

By the way with your last insulting comment. I can say the same thing about you, pedo.

Pudgy, I'm afraid the illustration cannot be retracted. Doing so would only serve to further undermine your credibility, making the situation even more regrettable than it already is for you. You can attempt to defend yourself, but your excuse will remain feeble. You shared your poignant cartoon. Take responsibility for your actions and accept the fact that you are completely ignorant about Pastor Russell and even less knowledgeable about scripture. It is evident that you excel at being a puppet of Satan.

Now, you see, this is how the manipulation of truth works. Thank you for the demonstration. This is precisely the tactic used by deceivers. If I find myself in a conversation with someone who has left their belief system, and that person happens to say something that I agree with, I will acknowledge it. There are no restrictions on who I can agree with. I engage in meaningful conversations with individuals who don't adhere to flawed ideologies in various areas of discussion. I extend a warm welcome to those who are converts from other religions and wish to truly embrace Christ without being swayed by apostates, disillusioned witnesses, or the disfellowshipped. I understand your point, as maturity entails the ability to discern right from wrong. Similarly, one could argue that from a religious perspective, being labeled as an apostate and blasphemer could signify deviating from the proper path and jeopardizing one's spiritual well-being, based on God's standards rather than those of any particular organization. Of course, it does. Maybe not to you, but then again, you are nobody. However, those who seek to follow Christ must concentrate on God's truth, not yours. They must strive for spiritual growth and resist being swayed by Satan's deceit propagated by apostates and the disfellowshipped.

You have inadvertently provided a compelling illustration in favor of Pastor Russell's words with your optics. 😂 It is unfortunate that you manipulated his words to falsely accuse what you have just depicted. Can you disprove your uninformed caricature? You sketched it, "my faith rules." If an individual from another denomination spoke the truth about the Bible that was not previously grasped, should it be acknowledged as truth, even if it resembled coming from Satan's himself (False Religion)? "WHAT IS TRUTH?" This question is one which every sincere Christian should ask and seek to answer. We should learn to love and value truth for its own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomsoever presented. A truth presented by Satan himself is just as true as a truth stated by God. Perhaps no class of people are more apt to overlook this fact than the Christian. How often do they in controversy overlook and ignore truth presented by their opponents. This is particularly the case when arguing with an infidel. They feel at perfect liberty to dispute everything he says on religious subjects. This is not the correct principle. Many infidels are honest--as anxious to speak and believe the truth as are Christians--and if in converse with them we ignore truths which they may advance, we not only fail to convince them of our truths, but put an end to all hope of reaching them; for our failure to admit the evident truth which they advance begets in them contempt for the one who is not honest enough to admit one truth because he does not see how it can be reconciled to another. Accept truth wherever you find it, no matter R9 : page 3 what it contradicts, and rely for ability to afterwards harmonize it with others upon "The Spirit of truth, which shall guide you into all truth," as Jesus promised. I describe Old English as Pastor Russell being a "congregationist," a non-denominational part of the Christian sect seeking a deeper understanding of Bible Truth. Therefore, any new revision of the old understanding of scripture by another Christian sect should be welcomed as a revelation. Remember his disappointment with his own faith and the reason for his separation from it. He failed to see the value of the flawed dynamics of Christendom. Therefore, your focus should have been on. ".We should learn to love and value truth for its own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomsoever presented." instead of your false narrative of semantics with "A truth presented by Satan himself is just as true as a truth stated by God." By no means does that imply that Satan is capable of telling the truth. However, if Satan did, to emphasize God's truth, then it should be acknowledged. The reference was actually for other denominations that could be seen as false religion, not Satan. Therefore, Satan was used as a symbolic illustrative example that apostates now misrepresent. Your illustration aptly highlighted this, so thank you. Please continue to post your cartoons to further illustrate Pastor Russell's true intent. Keep up the good work! Unless you plan to disprove and reinterpret your own cartoon. 🤣

Your perspective is irrelevant as you are intent on distorting the truth. I cannot engage in an agreement with someone who has turned away, from their beliefs. It is possible that you may come to agree that Satan from other Christian denominations is unable to utter the truth, just as you dismiss the parallel biblical perspectives presented by the Watchtower. John & the Gospel of Love. John's theology is marked by artless simplicity and spiritual depth. The highest art conceals art. As in poetry, so in religion, the most natural is the most perfect. He moves in a small circle of ideas as compared with Paul, but these ideas are fundamental and all-comprehensive. He goes back to first principles and sees the strong point without looking sideways or taking note of exceptions. Christ and Antichrist, believers and unbelievers, children of God and children of the devil, truth and falsehood, light and darkness, love and hatred, life and death: these are the great contrasts under which he views the religious world. These he sets forth again and again with majestic simplicity. (from Schaff's History of the Church) Why was John selected for this illustration if not to highlight its reference to John 8:44? Hence, who can be regarded as the offspring of the devil if not those who propagate lies? How can you defend Satan? Now, another apostate claimed here, by suggesting that the GB and the Watchtower are destined for hell, despite the fact that the individual making that claim is already there. Therefore, it is evident that the falsehood of this person's statement is self-evident. Can that person prove that the individual is not a false prophet reflecting on that place in hell based on their words, actions, and behavior, which aligns with Satan's perceived truth? How can one possibly assert to speak the truth when their standpoint is rooted in deceit?

The goal of the question was to stay true to its original intent. Since Satan's fall, he has consistently disguised the truth unless it directly serves his own interests. Similarly, flawed individuals often try to imitate Satan's deceitful strategy in order to justify their own desires. Therefore, there is no engaging in reasoning with Satan, just as there is no reasoning with those who have hardened their hearts to accept Satan as their father. This thread was not meant to be a political, controversial, or universally deceptive discussion, as is often seen here. Rather, it was intended as a genuine biblical topic. Unfortunately, the discussion was marred by the presence of an uncivil individual. This raises the question of how much influence Satan can exert on our lives if we allow it by withholding the truth and using manipulated, exaggerated, or deceptive facts. Can you ask a question unrelated to the Bible? You might receive a direct answer. The questions you posted are related to the Bible and deserve a response related to it. Do you want a Catholic interpretation of a biblical response?

Since 2009, the Transgender Day of Visibility has been observed on March 31. This year, coincidentally, it happened to fall on Easter Sunday. Some individuals claimed that President Biden intentionally chose this date to replace a long-established religious holiday with Transgender Visibility Day. However, this assertion is completely unfounded, and it is nothing more than a false accusation pushed by right-wing media outlets seeking to spread misinformation about the President. The government designated March 31st as a day to specifically acknowledge and recognize gay rights. It was not their intention to belittle any other man-made holiday that does not align with true Christianity. Nevertheless, both holidays would be deemed inappropriate for a devout Christian. It should not have mattered to JWs at all. Not in the slightest. It's puzzling that Bruce Jenner, now known as Caitlyn Jenner, as an openly gay individual, was dismayed by Easter Sunday being celebrated as a gay day, despite being gay himself, and strongly opposed it as a Christian. This reveals the conflicting beliefs of some self-proclaimed Christians, showcasing a double standard that contradicts the core values of Christ.

Absolutely! The possibilities for his nature are limitless, entirely shaped by our own imagination. Although it's true that our knowledge of the angelic realm is limited, we do have some insight through the writings of the Psalmist and Job. They reveal glimpses of the heavenly beings' unwavering joy and profound reverence as witnesses to God's creation. So, it's safe to say that their activities transcend simple games like huddling around and playing marbles. 😇

No one suggested that Satan was not perfect in the beginning. Unfortunately, he chose to raise the stakes just to impress the other angels. Did he engage in sincere conversations with other angels? Perhaps, God didn't deem it necessary for humanity to witness the daily occurrences in heaven. If God believed we should possess such inquisitiveness, He would have included it in the Bible. We have the written evidence, so the important question is what his current situation is, rather than speculating about his past. Maybe God had punished him by putting him in a corner for misbehaving, who knows. 🤣

How did the angels become aware of Satan's malevolent intentions? It was only in the Garden that they discovered Satan's attempt to exalt himself as a god. It was after this event that other angels began to emulate Satan's defiance of God's sovereignty. There you have it. It wasn't as difficult to consider. Nothing positive can arise from the words or reign of Satan. What kind of challenges may have occurred in Heaven prior to the introduction of mankind? Perhaps even during the reign of the dinosaurs? Don't you think that if it had existed, it would have been mentioned in the Bible, along with all other creations? Was Caine successful in removing his mark? I believe you are reaching too far in this speculation. Once again, consider the language in John 8:44, which leaves no doubt that Satan is incapable of telling the truth. It's wishful thinking. Had Satan been able to influence humanity differently, we would now be on a different course.

Pudgy, I see that you prefer to focus on semantics rather than addressing the actual question. It is often the case that individuals lacking intelligence resort to deflecting blame. But it would be you if you didn't. That's why you are tainted, and I am not in the eyes of God, and to the public that judged you.

Keep in mind that God granted angels the same free will as humanity. However, Satan chose to assert himself as God, despite not being so, @Srecko Sostar

Do you think that if the angels were aware of Satan's intentions to deceive mankind in the Garden of Eden, they would not have raised an alarm? From the very moment Satan made the choice to deceive Eve, he began a path of constant deception. What sets this apart from the previously asked question? It essentially boils down to the same matter.

What makes it any different to you? It's like asking if Satan, the father of all lies, is capable of telling the truth. You're looking at wording rather than action. Humanity was granted a capacity or ability by Satan, which is now resulting in a consequence. However, how can we ignore this fact in order to justify its rationality?

Considering that you continually ponder this question every time your reflection meets your eyes, it is only fair to assume that you should possess the knowledge to counteract your malevolent tendencies. It is worth recalling that I once extended an invitation to you to manifest civility, yet you opted for your customary bestial conduct. This implies that rational discourse is utterly futile when engaging with an egotistical, self-absorbed delinquent. Yet, you want me to respond to your ridiculous question, which is a complete joke. The good thing, the public knows. Go ahead, let it all out. You will forever remain insignificant and pitiful, as that is how you choose to treat others, not just your chosen group of apostate friends here.

Who granted us such extraordinary ability, God or Satan? Remember, let's not pay attention to that loser that can't answer a simple question. He simply revealed to the public his true low character. That's as simplest as it gets Srecko, an intelligent 6-year-old, understands consequences. Adam and Eve comprehended it, Jesus comprehended it, and he instilled the apostles with that understanding. Through scripture, we also understand it, genuine Christians who are not ignorant, disfellowshipped, or mentally ill. Even those individuals should grasp it, especially when secular law takes action against evil, Satanic acts. How should the question be formulated in order to receive a clear and coherent response from you?

If you can't recall the passage @Srecko Sostar, it can be found in Matthew 4. The question arises, did Jesus comprehend that Satan was speaking lies or was he deceiving Jesus with a partial truth? One would assume that people would understand that the Earth and all of its kingdoms ultimately belong to God. Satan is merely the current caretaker. Therefore, could he truly give away something that he only has temporary possession of? Furthermore, if Jesus had accepted ownership of something that did not belong to Satan in the first place, what would have been the outcome for both Christ and Satan in the eyes of God? It's a matter worth considering. Think about it carefully and don't focus on your puppet master pudgy.

Somehow, I was certain that you would appear and manipulate individual words to convey agreement. You never fail to deliver. How can you convince a rational individual that the words spoken by the father of deception can be truthful without Satan resorting to trickery? How can you effectively challenge the teachings of Christ, a contradiction that is necessary to gain acceptance from your specific audience? Take control of the ball as it now rests on your side of the court. By the way, I'd like to share an example from John 8:44 that I find intriguing. There's a particular phrase that caught my attention: "for there is no truth in him." So, question the teachings of Christ. Recall the advice that Jesus gave to Satan to assist you.

I understand that you are dealing with the challenge of dementia, among others, so let's tap into the remaining brain cells to consider a fragment of intelligence. Did Satan tell the truth to Eve according to the scripture? At first glance, it might seem so, as Adam and Eve eventually gained knowledge of good and evil. Yet, was it a lie disguised as the truth? What were the consequences of Adam and Eve gaining that knowledge? They lost their innocence to sin, thus forfeiting their eternal life for what Satan presented as the truth. Try to understand it like this: I understand that your current state of mind might make it difficult for you to comprehend, and I don't want your friend Pete to make a fool out of himself by attempting to understand it either. However, it's crucial that you make an effort to try and comprehend it. I am confident that when Srecko starts misrepresenting my words, as he usually does with you, I will have to deal with plenty of that. Are you familiar with the works of C. H. Spurgeon? If not, I highly recommend looking into volume 26. It is something that Pastor Russell might have encountered during his pursuit of a deeper understanding of the Bible. Let us not forget the powerful phrase in John 8:44, which you seem to be overlooking and avoiding. Unlike you, Pastor Russell embraced reasoning in his quest for enlightenment. Perhaps you could learn from his approach. C.H. Surgeon's comparison between good and evil, truth and lies in his discussion might have been seen by Pastor Russell in a similar understanding. When Pastor Russell addressed the concept of "What is Truth," he possessed a profound understanding that you have misrepresented through the use of his words, exemplified by this particular illustration. Harvest Gleaning Volume 1 "Scriptures to prove what is truth, and to meditate upon God's law to discern what is righteousness. They are indifferent, worldly, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; they are blinded by the god of this world and willing to be led into any schemes which minister to worldly desires and ambitions." Watchtower April 1895 "Simcoe, Canada, March 8.--The 16th annual convention of the Canada Holiness Association convened yesterday afternoon. The convention was opened by singing and prayer by the president, Rev. N. Burns, B.A., of Toronto. Mr. Burns in his remarks alluded to the distinctive mission of the Association, which was to teach and practice that each individual could know from God what is truth for himself, personally, independent of tradition, or even the Bible. Vice-President Dickenson and Mrs. Truax spoke along similar lines." Alas! how evidently the great enemy is leading God's professed people captive, some in one direction and some R1791 : page 81 in another; some blinded in one way and some in another. "When the Son of Man cometh shall he find the faith on the earth?" Only with a "remnant," as in the end of the Jewish age. Pastor Russell's Sermon 656 The Ransom is the very center of all the New Testament teachings, the general touchstone by which we may determine what is Truth and what is not Truth in respect to every feature of the Divine Plan. The Ransom may be likened to the hub of a wheel, from which various spokes radiate in every direction to a general periphery, or circumference. In the great Plan of God for human salvation the Ransom constitutes the very central feature, and from it radiate all the doctrines which end in the fullness and completeness of that Divine Plan. Indeed, from whatever viewpoint we look at this subject, it is both beautiful and consistent. 1913 Bible Student Convention Report The various denominations of Christendom, after fighting each other for centuries, have concluded that they all are partly wrong and partly right, and that they do not know where the Truth lies, nor what is Truth, nor what is Error. The decline in church attendance and contributions combined with the increase of church expenses, cause troubles many and grievous. The lessons of the success of Financial Trusts inspires them to form a Church Trust or "Federation of Churches." They hope thus to impress the people by a bold front. But especially they desire to impress the newspaper proprietors and the politicians for such services as they may call for. The proposition is a frothy one, representing a very few -- nearly all clerics. The people of all denominations are unenthused. In doubt on all religious problems, and hungry for the Truth, the poor sheep are confused by the actions of their clergy. I can continue, but there's no need to further characterize you as foolish. Did Pastor Russell understand the deception within Satan's truth? Indeed, he did, and anyone thinking otherwise is ignorant of his true intentions. Misinterpreting a simple quote to distort the facts is akin to something Satan would do. So, Pastor Russell's perspective on the article is clear: he does not advocate dismissing those who hold different beliefs, even if they are mistaken. The Watchtower example you provided in July 1879 does not hold any significance since you are misrepresenting the intention, as this website perfectly exemplifies that mindset. Apostates may be spreading falsehoods disguised as truth, but this has not deterred people from paying heed to their deceptive narratives. Now let's see if you can understand C.H. Spurgeon's point of view. I. DECISION. 1. It is "a decision upon the most sublime and important theme which can ever come under a man's notice. God and Satan, truth and falsehood, holiness and sin. 2. This decision, so important and weighty, should be made as early as possible. When Agesilaus came to the borders of Macedon he sent the laconic message, "As friends or as enemies?" The answer was, "We must stop awhile, and take advice." His reply was, "While you advise, we march." Wait not. Every hour renders it more likely that you will make a foolish choice. 3. This is a decision of the greatest importance, for it will influence every subsequent decision throughout life. True religion gives a tincture to everything with which the man comes in contact. 4. As to this decision there ought to be no possible difficulty. A man should decide for God, since He is his Creator, Redeemer, Preserver. 5. This decision involves but one alternative. There is no synagogue of the undecided on earth, and no purgatory of middle men in the unseen world. II. THE AVOWAL. "Let him come unto me." "For God -- to me." 1. A coming out from amongst the idolaters. Do not conceal your religion. 2. They were to come to the leader. Follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. 3. Those who were to come to Moses were, of course, to come to one another. Do not birds of a feather flock together? If God has made you birds of paradise, hasten to fly like doves to your windows. III. CONSECRATION. 1. Obey God's will 2. Serve God actively and energetically. 3. Do this at all hazards and costs. (C. H. Spurgeon.) If you cannot respond to this inquiry without stumbling and further tarnishing your already disgraceful reputation, then you truly are a lost soul who fully deserves every misfortune that has befallen you. You expect a direct answer from me when you can't even provide one yourself; you are quite pitiful, to say the least.

It is clear that you are unable to answer the question in a biblical manner, resulting in your typical confused mindset. As expected, you resorted to your foolish rebuttal by bringing up Pastor Russell. I anticipated this, which is why I mentioned that, just like you misunderstood him, you misunderstand everything about the Bible. Your response has only proven my point. Your simplistic drawings just add more proof of how uneducated you are. Misrepresenting Pastor Russell's intent, in light of his superior understanding of the words in John 8:44, would be both ignorant and foolish on your part. I created a separate thread to demonstrate that it's impossible to reason with an unreasonable person who has allowed darkness into their heart and embraced Satan as their savior because they both speak the language of lies. I'm happy to have assisted all those who have emailed me. This site is truly abysmal. Could you attempt to respond to the question once more, but this time with the use of scripture in a manner that is less conventional and more primal, akin to the nature of an uncivilized human being? Keep in mind that this is designed to benefit you, not your pretentious audience here or in the closed club. You are addressing a fundamental truth from your creator. Are you concerned about avoiding further embarrassment due to your lack of education and self-esteem? Your forthcoming response will reveal the true extent of your feeble-mindedness. So go ahead, Pudgy, your apostate audience eagerly anticipates your narcissistic reply.