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An interesting concept, bible discipline.
I am struck by the prevalence of ignorance about spiritual discipline on "Reddit." While physical and mental disciplines receive attention, the profound impact of spiritual discipline on a person's physical and mental well-being is often overlooked.
Is it possible to argue against the words of the Apostle Paul? When he penned those words in Hebrews 12, he was recognizing that there are moments when an individual must be "rebuked" in order to be corrected. Even Jesus himself established a precedent when he rebuked Peter and referred to him as Satan for failing to comprehend what Jesus had already revealed to the apostles.
Did that imply that Jesus had an evil heart? Not at all, it was quite the opposite; Jesus had a loving heart. His need to correct Peter actually showcased his genuine love for him. If he hadn't cared, he would have let Peter persist in his mistaken ways, leading to a fate similar to Judas'.
There is a clear emphasis on avoiding the apostate translation and its meaning, yet many seem to overlook the biblical foundation for the reasons NOT to follow the path of the fallen brethren or those with an apostate mentality.
Those individuals have embraced the path of darkness, where the illuminating power of light cannot penetrate, to avoid receiving the righteous discipline based on God's Bible teachings. They are undoubtedly aware that this undeniable truth of life must be disregarded in order to uphold their baseless justifications for the unjust act of shunning.
Can anyone truly "force" someone or stop them from rejecting a friend or family member? Such a notion would be absurd, considering the fact that we all have the power of free will.
If a Witness decides to distance themselves from a family member or friend simply because they have come out as gay, who is anyone within the organization to question or challenge that personal sentiment? It is unfortunate that there are individuals, both within and outside the organization, who not only lack a proper understanding of the Bible but also dare to suggest that God's discipline is barbaric. We must remember that personal choices should be respected, and it is not for others to judge or condemn someone based on their sexual orientation but should be avoided under biblical grounds.
No one should have the power to compel an individual to change their sexual orientation, nor should anyone be forced to accept someone for who they are. When it comes to a family's desire to shield their children from external influences, who has the right to challenge the parents' decision? And if a family's rejection of others is based on cultural factors rather than religious beliefs, who can impose religious judgment on them?
Who should true followers of Christ follow? The words of God or those who believe they can change God's laws to fit their lives? How can we apply the inspired words of Paul from God to embrace the reality of God's discipline?
On the contrary, how can nonconformists expect to persuade those with a "worldview" that their religious beliefs are unacceptable by ostracizing individuals, when God condemns homosexuality? This is precisely why the arguments put forth by ex-witnesses are lacking in their pursuit of justice. When they employ misguided tactics, justice remains elusive as their arguments are either weak or inconsistent with biblical standards. Therefore, it is crucial to also comprehend Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 9:27.
The use of the word "shun" is being exaggerated and excessively condemned by those who reject biblical shunning as a form of punishment.
Eph 5:3-14 NIV
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.  6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them. 
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible.
The impact of the message becomes significantly stronger when we emphasize the importance of avoiding any association with unrighteousness and those who remain unrepentant. In fact, it becomes even more compelling when we witness how some individuals, who dismiss biblical shunning as a method of discipline, excessively criticize and condemn the use of the word "shun".
Therefore, Jehovah's Witnesses do not shun people; instead, they choose to focus on the negative actions being committed, which is in accordance with biblical teachings. This should be construed as ex-Witness rhetoric. Now, let's consider why ex-Witnesses specifically target one particular religion. What justifications do they provide when other Christian denominations also adhere to the same principle grounded in the Bible?
Chapter 1 - Preface
Both must therefore test themselves: the one, if he is qualified to speak and leave behind him written records; the other, if he is in a right state to hear and read: as also some in the dispensation of the Eucharist, according to  custom enjoin that each one of the people individually should take his part. One's own conscience is best for choosing accurately or shunning. And its firm foundation is a right life, with suitable instruction. But the imitation of those who have already been proved, and who have led correct lives, is most excellent for the understanding and practice of the commandments. "So that whosoever shall eat the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup."  It therefore follows, that every one of those who undertake to promote the good of their neighbours, ought to consider whether he has betaken himself to teaching rashly and out of rivalry to any; if his communication of the word is out of vainglory; if the the only reward he reaps is the salvation of those who hear, and if he speaks not in order to win favour: if so, he who speaks by writings escapes the reproach of mercenary motives. "For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know," says the apostle, "nor a cloak of covetousness. God is witness. Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome as the apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children."  
(from Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2)

Divine promises
2. The manner of shunning, in the word escaping. There is a flying away required, and that quickly, as in the plague, or from a fire which hath almost burned us, or a flood that breaketh in upon us. We cannot soon enough escape from sin (Matt 3:7; Heb 6:18). No motion but flight becomes us in this case. Doctrine: That the great end and effect of the promises of the gospel is to make us partakers of the Divine nature.
(from The Biblical Illustrator)
 

An interesting concept, bible discipline.
I am struck by the prevalence of ignorance about spiritual discipline on "Reddit." While physical and mental disciplines receive attention, the profound impact of spiritual discipline on a person's physical and mental well-being is often overlooked.
Is it possible to argue against the words of the Apostle Paul? When he penned those words in Hebrews 12, he was recognizing that there are moments when an individual must be "rebuked" in order to be corrected. Even Jesus himself established a precedent when he rebuked Peter and referred to him as Satan for failing to comprehend what Jesus had already revealed to the apostles.
Did that imply that Jesus had an evil heart? Not at all, it was quite the opposite; Jesus had a loving heart. His need to correct Peter actually showcased his genuine love for him. If he hadn't cared, he would have let Peter persist in his mistaken ways, leading to a fate similar to Judas'.
There is a clear emphasis on avoiding the apostate translation and its meaning, yet many seem to overlook the biblical foundation for the reasons NOT to follow the path of the fallen brethren or those with an apostate mentality.
Those individuals have embraced the path of darkness, where the illuminating power of light cannot penetrate, to avoid receiving the righteous discipline based on God's Bible teachings. They are undoubtedly aware that this undeniable truth of life must be disregarded in order to uphold their baseless justifications for the unjust act of shunning.
Can anyone truly "force" someone or stop them from rejecting a friend or family member? Such a notion would be absurd, considering the fact that we all have the power of free will.
If a Witness decides to distance themselves from a family member or friend simply because they have come out as gay, who is anyone within the organization to question or challenge that personal sentiment? It is unfortunate that there are individuals, both within and outside the organization, who not only lack a proper understanding of the Bible but also dare to suggest that God's discipline is barbaric. We must remember that personal choices should be respected, and it is not for others to judge or condemn someone based on their sexual orientation but should be avoided under biblical grounds.
No one should have the power to compel an individual to change their sexual orientation, nor should anyone be forced to accept someone for who they are. When it comes to a family's desire to shield their children from external influences, who has the right to challenge the parents' decision? And if a family's rejection of others is based on cultural factors rather than religious beliefs, who can impose religious judgment on them?
Who should true followers of Christ follow? The words of God or those who believe they can change God's laws to fit their lives? How can we apply the inspired words of Paul from God to embrace the reality of God's discipline?
On the contrary, how can nonconformists expect to persuade those with a "worldview" that their religious beliefs are unacceptable by ostracizing individuals, when God condemns homosexuality? This is precisely why the arguments put forth by ex-witnesses are lacking in their pursuit of justice. When they employ misguided tactics, justice remains elusive as their arguments are either weak or inconsistent with biblical standards. Therefore, it is crucial to also comprehend Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 9:27.
The use of the word "shun" is being exaggerated and excessively condemned by those who reject biblical shunning as a form of punishment.
Eph 5:3-14 NIV
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.  6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them. 
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible.
The impact of the message becomes significantly stronger when we emphasize the importance of avoiding any association with unrighteousness and those who remain unrepentant. In fact, it becomes even more compelling when we witness how some individuals, who dismiss biblical shunning as a method of discipline, excessively criticize and condemn the use of the word "shun".
Therefore, Jehovah's Witnesses do not shun people; instead, they choose to focus on the negative actions being committed, which is in accordance with biblical teachings. This should be construed as ex-Witness rhetoric. Now, let's consider why ex-Witnesses specifically target one particular religion. What justifications do they provide when other Christian denominations also adhere to the same principle grounded in the Bible?
Chapter 1 - Preface
Both must therefore test themselves: the one, if he is qualified to speak and leave behind him written records; the other, if he is in a right state to hear and read: as also some in the dispensation of the Eucharist, according to  custom enjoin that each one of the people individually should take his part. One's own conscience is best for choosing accurately or shunning. And its firm foundation is a right life, with suitable instruction. But the imitation of those who have already been proved, and who have led correct lives, is most excellent for the understanding and practice of the commandments. "So that whosoever shall eat the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup."  It therefore follows, that every one of those who undertake to promote the good of their neighbours, ought to consider whether he has betaken himself to teaching rashly and out of rivalry to any; if his communication of the word is out of vainglory; if the the only reward he reaps is the salvation of those who hear, and if he speaks not in order to win favour: if so, he who speaks by writings escapes the reproach of mercenary motives. "For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know," says the apostle, "nor a cloak of covetousness. God is witness. Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome as the apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children."  
(from Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2)

Divine promises
2. The manner of shunning, in the word escaping. There is a flying away required, and that quickly, as in the plague, or from a fire which hath almost burned us, or a flood that breaketh in upon us. We cannot soon enough escape from sin (Matt 3:7; Heb 6:18). No motion but flight becomes us in this case. Doctrine: That the great end and effect of the promises of the gospel is to make us partakers of the Divine nature.
(from The Biblical Illustrator)
 

Clearly, they are already demanding your exile. Yes! It's unfortunate that Pudgy spoiled a great discussion about science. I hope the discussion can continue without any more nonsensical interruptions.
Just a suggestion since they are on your heels.
Wow! You speak! It seems you have a lot to say! Now they are going to treat like, who do you think you are, mister big stuff! Are those aliens now going to imply that anyone who speaks out against the five or six key contributors to this site will be treated as though it is George just because those in opposition speak the language they hate to hear, the TRUTH?
They are seeking individuals who will embrace their nonconformist values and appreciate what they can offer in shaping public opinion contrary to the established agenda of God and Christ. Their goal is to enhance their writing abilities and avoid squandering time on frivolous pursuits, mainly arguing about the truth they don't care for. They see it all as a mere game, even when leading people astray. They believe they have every right to and will face no biblical repercussions, or so they believe. They just want to have fun just like that Cyndi Lauper song.
Be prepared to be belittled and ridiculed, all the while they claim to be angels. Haha!
By the way, please refrain from using the same language as George. They appear to believe that when others use the same words, it means they are the same person, and they emphasize this as if no one else is allowed to use similar grammar. It seems they think only they have the right to use the same or similar writing styles. Quite amusing, isn't it?
See, what I just placed in bold, now I'm George, lol!
Now, let's leave this nice science thread for people that want to know more about science. I believe George left it at "Zero Distance."
 

Let us examine the underlying assumptions inherent in "The Parable of the Lost Son" in Luke 15, as well as the stark contrast presented by Jesus' words in Luke 17, which serve as both admonitions against sin and guiding principles for our Christian responsibilities.
If we simply accept these passages at face value, can we truly comprehend their meaning if the intention is to justify the actions of an unrepentant sinner?
Then we would need to examine the context and purpose of those specific passages. Can we truly compare those passages? If the prodigal son wasted his life and felt regretful enough to say, "I have sinned against heaven and my 'father'" for lacking the wisdom to live a fulfilling life, then who did the lost son truly sin against?
Did the lost son sin against his fellow Christians or the community he was not entrusted to serve or care for? This was the compassion the father felt for a son who had lost his way in life. His sin was what he had done to himself, not others.
What then is the purpose of Jesus in the parable of the prodigal son? It is to communicate the profound message that anyone, without exception, can find a place in the Kingdom of God, as long as they sincerely undergo a genuine metamorphosis and transformation of their life.
Does Luke 17 apply in this case? Absolutely, it does. Only when an individual, despite their imperfections, shows a genuine willingness to repent before God and fellow believers, can they set their lives on the right course and receive forgiveness even if they stumble and sin against others many times. However, is this forgiveness unlimited?
Here is where the confusion stems from: No! While we should forgive our fellow believers for unintentional sins, it does not encompass ongoing intentional sins. Therefore, it does not apply to an unrepentant person who publicly and continuously demonstrates it.
That would be as if secular authority were to give a pedophile a "get out of jail free" card every time that pervert had an urge to act. However, in real life, things don't work that way, and the same goes for bible principles.
In Matthew 11:20-27, Jesus conveyed a powerful message about unrepentant and accountability. However, some individuals choose to disregard Jesus' words in Matthew 18:15-17 because it challenges their interpretation of Christian love and support for an unrepentant soul. They base their argument on defending an incorrigible person.
Luke illuminates the concept of "repentance" as a crucial factor, not the sin itself. This is why Apostle John's words in 1 John 1:9 emphasize the power of confessing our sins. He was not referring to private "repentance." No, a silent approach to repentance only benefits the individual. If someone believes that things should be done in secret to hide them from the public, what is that person actually demonstrating with such behavior? Deception.
While it is commendable to embody Christian love, it is important to avoid displaying misguided emotions, particularly when dealing with individuals who show no remorse.
The Apostle Paul was entrusted with the important task of presenting the distinctions in Christian conduct and ethics to the congregations.
1 Corinthians 5:11 New International Version
11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
Anyone who disregards scripture by ignoring other passages that reflect negatively on the behavior of a group that people happen to like, and by not applying scripture as it was intended, is failing to fulfill their duty to their fellow believers and is showing disrespect to God if they use His name to undermine the true understanding of scripture.
While it is true that a formal education is not necessary for individuals to gain enlightenment from scripture, it is important to note that the Holy Spirit will not manifest in those who mock God by misinterpreting scripture for the sole purpose of satisfying their own limited understanding of Christian compassion, especially when it is misguided.
Therefore, it is crucial to recognize that Luke 15 and 17 are being misrepresented in this context, and it indeed requires a sound understanding of the Bible to comprehend the distinction in how these verses are meant to be conveyed to the public.
It's not meant to be a "get out of jail free" card.

If you believe that someone is challenging you, one simple solution is to choose to ignore them. There's no point in carrying on a discussion that will ultimately lead to nowhere.

Correctly positioned, it can be a remarkable phenomenon. Nevertheless, persisting in denial leads to distortion, despite attempts to modify God's words with our own emotions.
Whom do we truly serve with our misguided love - Man or God? This is something that visiting witnesses should deeply ponder upon.
Did God's genuine love for the Israelites stop him from having to punish the nation of Israel due to their numerous unfulfilled promises to obey? An unrepentant person is essentially breaking God's law. How did God handle those who didn't repent?
Who dares to question the divine message in the name of misguided empathy?

Well, I tried to be civil, and this is what I get in return coming from an uneducated engineer.
Danah Zohar Zero Distance Management in the Quantum Age 2022
My study of Heidegger and reflections on the wider relevance of quantum philosophy for new thinking about personal & social sciences I was exploring during my three years of postgraduate studies at Harvard while pursuing a Ph.D. at the Divinity School in Philosophy, Psychology, & Religion. I finally published my first “quantum” book, The Quantum Self , in 1990, offering a new, quantum framework for psychology that could replace Freud’s dominant, mechanistic framework that had been inspired by Newtonian physics. Ironically, and very much to my surprise, it was the publication of that book that began my career as a management thinker. page XXXii
Chapter 8 I Am a Particle and a Wave
The iconic American hero is the lonely cowboy, sitting astride his horse in the midst of a vast prairie and dependent on no one but himself to brave and survive the elements. His modern equivalent is the Superhero, who has special powers that enable him to single-handedly save the world, and the Taylorian CEO is a kind of cowboy or Superhero who bears sole authority and responsibility for running his/her company. Western society is based on this concept of the all-important individual, the “atom of society,” whose power to pursue his/her interests and protect his/her rights through the personal vote is the cornerstone of Western democracy. We have already seen that this sacred individualism is rooted in the atomism of early Greek philosophy and then enshrined as a defining principle of Newtonian physics. Western society is particle-like. page 89
I'm out!

It's satisfying to know that my comments concerning profanity aren't going unnoticed, especially when they come from someone who considers themselves superior without even attempting to contribute intellectually. I suppose it's true what they say, once an animal, always an animal. It seems that with your criminal record, you're destined to remain that way.
This exercise benefits a specific person in the closed club who believes that Christian love is the solution, despite a person's heart being beyond redemption with their public actions and behavior. I would be embarrassed to think this animal was once a JW.

That simply implies that you, as a glorified plumber, do not truly comprehend quantum physics as you pretend to. However, you are indeed right about one thing - your criminal record, which is easily accessible to anyone, will reveal the true nature of your character. That was the intended reference, not the delusional manipulation of words that you employ to divert attention from the fact that you are fundamentally driven by base instincts as an animal at heart, which you continue to display, and people want to continue to defend you for it.
Their vigorous defense of you speaks volumes about their lack of Christian ethics, overshadowing your insignificant existence.
I prefer not to engage in conflict with an uninformed individual, even in this thread that was intriguing, but unfortunately, someone uncouth always manages to spoil it.

Christmas is still celebrated by Bible Students, who also embrace the cross and crown image. However, the remarkable thing is that Jehovah's Witnesses, although not part of the Bible Students movement, have gained even greater insight from scripture compared to what Pastor Russell began to uncover on his path to truth. It is essential, for those of us who truly desire to correctly interpret scripture, to recognize that even the most significant aspects of our lives often start from humble beginnings. It is unfortunate that some of us still fail to grasp this truth.

The parable of the prodigal son serves as a powerful reminder of a simple truth: the importance of granting pardon when it is necessary and knowing when to leave the unjust to their own devices. The complementary text to Luke 15 is found in Isaiah 57.
The figurative expression of Jesus' parable encapsulates what we can discern in Paul's words to the Ephesian congregation in Ephesians 2:1. It does not mean that the father literally thought his child was dead to him.
Ephesians 2:1-2 New International Version
Made Alive in Christ
2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Once again, the central theme of obedience and disobedience takes the spotlight. Paul emphasized this idea when he penned his letter to the Romans in Romans 6:2.
Romans 6 New International Version
Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Should a follower of Christ keep sinning in order to be forgiven repeatedly? Other passages in the Bible make it clear that this is not the case. How can we understand this with spiritual maturity? Once again, the Apostle Paul established the basis for Christ's teachings in his letter in Hebrews 6:1.
Hebrews 6 New International Version
6 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites,[b] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so.
"Dead works," Apostle Paul's powerful message is truly impactful. This concept is further illuminated in James 2:26.
NAS  James 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (Jas. 2:26 NAS)
No true worship or service without an obedient heart
2. Without a sincere and humble spirit of subjection, without a holy and obedient heart, all our prayers and all our services are nothing in the sight of God; are founded in hypocrisy; are no better than a mockery of his name. Submission to the authority and will of God must ever be essential to true religion under every dispensation; and few persons there are, who doubt this as a speculative truth. But there is a vast difference between the outward submission of an unrepentant and ungodly heart, and the inward submission of the penitent and the pious! It is the subjection of mind, the surrender of the affections to the will and law of God, which constitutes an acceptable service. Pardon is graciously promised to all who truly repent, and the word of God assures us, that it will be extended to none besides: upon what ground then can the unrepentent sinner presume to ask forgiveness? And how can that man dare to implore of God the grace to repent, who has no intention and no real desire of repenting? He is but adding insult to his sin. How can the wilful sinner who lives, and is yet determined to live, in any course of guilt, really pray for deliverance from the bondage of sin?
(from The Biblical Illustrator)

Correctly positioned, it can be a remarkable phenomenon. Nevertheless, persisting in denial leads to distortion, despite attempts to modify God's words with our own emotions.
Whom do we truly serve with our misguided love - Man or God? This is something that visiting witnesses should deeply ponder upon.
Did God's genuine love for the Israelites stop him from having to punish the nation of Israel due to their numerous unfulfilled promises to obey? An unrepentant person is essentially breaking God's law. How did God handle those who didn't repent?
Who dares to question the divine message in the name of misguided empathy?

Let us examine the underlying assumptions inherent in "The Parable of the Lost Son" in Luke 15, as well as the stark contrast presented by Jesus' words in Luke 17, which serve as both admonitions against sin and guiding principles for our Christian responsibilities.
If we simply accept these passages at face value, can we truly comprehend their meaning if the intention is to justify the actions of an unrepentant sinner?
Then we would need to examine the context and purpose of those specific passages. Can we truly compare those passages? If the prodigal son wasted his life and felt regretful enough to say, "I have sinned against heaven and my 'father'" for lacking the wisdom to live a fulfilling life, then who did the lost son truly sin against?
Did the lost son sin against his fellow Christians or the community he was not entrusted to serve or care for? This was the compassion the father felt for a son who had lost his way in life. His sin was what he had done to himself, not others.
What then is the purpose of Jesus in the parable of the prodigal son? It is to communicate the profound message that anyone, without exception, can find a place in the Kingdom of God, as long as they sincerely undergo a genuine metamorphosis and transformation of their life.
Does Luke 17 apply in this case? Absolutely, it does. Only when an individual, despite their imperfections, shows a genuine willingness to repent before God and fellow believers, can they set their lives on the right course and receive forgiveness even if they stumble and sin against others many times. However, is this forgiveness unlimited?
Here is where the confusion stems from: No! While we should forgive our fellow believers for unintentional sins, it does not encompass ongoing intentional sins. Therefore, it does not apply to an unrepentant person who publicly and continuously demonstrates it.
That would be as if secular authority were to give a pedophile a "get out of jail free" card every time that pervert had an urge to act. However, in real life, things don't work that way, and the same goes for bible principles.
In Matthew 11:20-27, Jesus conveyed a powerful message about unrepentant and accountability. However, some individuals choose to disregard Jesus' words in Matthew 18:15-17 because it challenges their interpretation of Christian love and support for an unrepentant soul. They base their argument on defending an incorrigible person.
Luke illuminates the concept of "repentance" as a crucial factor, not the sin itself. This is why Apostle John's words in 1 John 1:9 emphasize the power of confessing our sins. He was not referring to private "repentance." No, a silent approach to repentance only benefits the individual. If someone believes that things should be done in secret to hide them from the public, what is that person actually demonstrating with such behavior? Deception.
While it is commendable to embody Christian love, it is important to avoid displaying misguided emotions, particularly when dealing with individuals who show no remorse.
The Apostle Paul was entrusted with the important task of presenting the distinctions in Christian conduct and ethics to the congregations.
1 Corinthians 5:11 New International Version
11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
Anyone who disregards scripture by ignoring other passages that reflect negatively on the behavior of a group that people happen to like, and by not applying scripture as it was intended, is failing to fulfill their duty to their fellow believers and is showing disrespect to God if they use His name to undermine the true understanding of scripture.
While it is true that a formal education is not necessary for individuals to gain enlightenment from scripture, it is important to note that the Holy Spirit will not manifest in those who mock God by misinterpreting scripture for the sole purpose of satisfying their own limited understanding of Christian compassion, especially when it is misguided.
Therefore, it is crucial to recognize that Luke 15 and 17 are being misrepresented in this context, and it indeed requires a sound understanding of the Bible to comprehend the distinction in how these verses are meant to be conveyed to the public.
It's not meant to be a "get out of jail free" card.

I fail to understand how someone without a background in biblical education can criticize those who have formal training and effectively apply their knowledge, while those without such education consistently refuse to apply it accurately.
If Bible scholars are able to discern what certain witnesses here refuse to acknowledge, then their education is far more effectively utilized. Will you now defend the indefensible? Is that your rationale for providing a commentary on compassion and misguided Christian love, merely to defend those in the closed club?
I refuse to engage in a quarrel with someone who is selective in their understanding of the Bible. It's evident that the misrepresentation from those who identify as JWs is clear to anyone outside the closed club. However, what is the true purpose behind your confrontational language?

Well, I tried to be civil, and this is what I get in return coming from an uneducated engineer.
Danah Zohar Zero Distance Management in the Quantum Age 2022
My study of Heidegger and reflections on the wider relevance of quantum philosophy for new thinking about personal & social sciences I was exploring during my three years of postgraduate studies at Harvard while pursuing a Ph.D. at the Divinity School in Philosophy, Psychology, & Religion. I finally published my first “quantum” book, The Quantum Self , in 1990, offering a new, quantum framework for psychology that could replace Freud’s dominant, mechanistic framework that had been inspired by Newtonian physics. Ironically, and very much to my surprise, it was the publication of that book that began my career as a management thinker. page XXXii
Chapter 8 I Am a Particle and a Wave
The iconic American hero is the lonely cowboy, sitting astride his horse in the midst of a vast prairie and dependent on no one but himself to brave and survive the elements. His modern equivalent is the Superhero, who has special powers that enable him to single-handedly save the world, and the Taylorian CEO is a kind of cowboy or Superhero who bears sole authority and responsibility for running his/her company. Western society is based on this concept of the all-important individual, the “atom of society,” whose power to pursue his/her interests and protect his/her rights through the personal vote is the cornerstone of Western democracy. We have already seen that this sacred individualism is rooted in the atomism of early Greek philosophy and then enshrined as a defining principle of Newtonian physics. Western society is particle-like. page 89
I'm out!

It's satisfying to know that my comments concerning profanity aren't going unnoticed, especially when they come from someone who considers themselves superior without even attempting to contribute intellectually. I suppose it's true what they say, once an animal, always an animal. It seems that with your criminal record, you're destined to remain that way.
This exercise benefits a specific person in the closed club who believes that Christian love is the solution, despite a person's heart being beyond redemption with their public actions and behavior. I would be embarrassed to think this animal was once a JW.

That simply implies that you, as a glorified plumber, do not truly comprehend quantum physics as you pretend to. However, you are indeed right about one thing - your criminal record, which is easily accessible to anyone, will reveal the true nature of your character. That was the intended reference, not the delusional manipulation of words that you employ to divert attention from the fact that you are fundamentally driven by base instincts as an animal at heart, which you continue to display, and people want to continue to defend you for it.
Their vigorous defense of you speaks volumes about their lack of Christian ethics, overshadowing your insignificant existence.
I prefer not to engage in conflict with an uninformed individual, even in this thread that was intriguing, but unfortunately, someone uncouth always manages to spoil it.

The illustration underscores the importance of genuine repentance, as opposed to insincere repentance that is only superficial. Merely saying "I repent" but continuing the same evil patterns is a deceptive form of alignment with love and no amount of subverting love just to accept is not biblical.

I absolutely agree with that logical standpoint. There have been instances in the past where a particular individual has demeaned Bible scholars, and regrettably, we see this recurring at present with the same person. What's truly disheartening is that these individuals lack the essential credentials to substantiate their claims. Consequently, this transforms into a mere matter of subjective viewpoints, void of any substantial basis.
It appears to me that there is an imbalanced blame game going on here. Suddenly, the only source of authority that is deemed important comes from a select group of individuals who are part of a closed community. These individuals use aggressive and sometimes offensive language, by just omitting a letter to that profane intent, yet still claim the right to identify themselves as JWS.
There are dissenters who excessively highlight that one group has been informed about their aggressive nature, while neglecting to acknowledge their own or by defending a disfellowshipped individual that is far worse in the present than has been equal in the past. Once again, superiority is given prominence, even though no one here is superior to anyone else. However, these individuals feel privileged due to their power to ban, and ultimately, it is their game.
This behavior cannot be accepted in the name of God or with a fundamental understanding of scripture.
No one can escape personal responsibility before God by blaming others. It's crucial for everyone to focus on the real issues at hand, such as apostate mentality and the reproach brought upon God by individuals who lack understanding of scripture and selective bible principles.
No one can excuse or justify behavior that is an affront to God, especially when individuals attempt to argue for civility while acting uncivilized and distorting words to manipulate the conversation.
It's not about being intelligent, but rather about how one presents their intelligence. Some individuals may possess immense knowledge, yet if they showcase their ignorance in public, that's what will leave a lasting impression. Hence, those who lack expertise in a particular field of discussion and only offer baseless opinions are bound to face criticism for the misplaced ideologies and the lack of understanding in certain fields of their arguments where expertise is essential, regardless if it's bible or secular based.
This is where the mindset shifts. It's the mental state of refusing to accept anything due to the way the message is delivered. The Pharisees exhibited the same mindset against Jesus. What's the difference here? None.
Apostle Paul had to endure much to convince people of his transformation, yet he remained resolute in delivering God's will with his personal faith in Christ. His transformation enhanced his life without causing anyone to stumble during his ministry.
Some may have considered Paul a hypocrite and even a spy for Rome, but his personal actions spoke louder than his words. There is a clear absence of this authenticity among those who identify as JWs and in those who seek to defend them with misplaced Christian love.
If people here truly seek to demonstrate Christian love and unity as described in scripture, then let it be through God's strength and understanding. Let your loyalty, faith, and obedience to God's words be unwavering and without partiality, so that you may confidently entrust another loyal follower of Christ to continue on the same path with pride. Otherwise, it would be hypocritical.
What was Apostle Paul's main objective in conveying his message through Timothy in 1 Timothy 6? It is crucial to understand the significance of the lures of money and how they can deceive even those with misplaced Christian love. The term "false teachers" carries a profound weight and should not be taken lightly.
First and foremost, it is absolutely crucial to demonstrate unwavering obedience to God. In doing so, we must extend our helping hand and unwavering support to our fellow followers of Christ who remain steadfast in their faith. It is our duty to assist those who have stumbled and lost their way, guiding them towards the path of righteousness. Nevertheless, if despite our sincere efforts, their actions and behavior continue to undermine our Christian values, we must tactfully create a healthy distance from such individuals. By doing this, we are not only safeguarding our own Christian love, but also showing cognizance of the ultimate Judge - God Himself.
Finally, share the good news with others by comprehending Scripture through spiritual growth, so that they too may desire a personal connection with God. Yet, how can we inspire this message within others when our own hearts are filled with deception? How can we, in all honesty, consider such a person a partner in faith? Can someone truly believe that God is pleased with their actions?
This is what some might call "empty" criticism or works. It's easy for individuals to pass judgment on those in positions of power without understanding the immense responsibility they carry and the weight of the decisions they must make. It's important to consider the burdens others bear before we rush to criticize, especially if some of us have failed in that responsibility. This is the only sensible approach.
There is a significant distinction between "misguided love" and "pure love." While adherents of other religions comprehend this, why do some within our community fail to do so when it comes to advocating for a friend and fellow believer who is in need? By prioritizing the love of humanity over the love of God, one ends up serving two masters.
https://outreachmagazine.com/features/discipleship/69053-why-misguided-love-isnt-really-love.html
What was Paul's understanding of "agape love" and how did he caution his fellow believers in Christ about individuals who create discord and division within the Christian community? He emphasized the need for firm discipline, such as issuing rebukes and distancing oneself from negative influences. Something that is tolerated in this environment.
To whom is God most likely to pour out His Holy Spirit - a heart plagued by conflict or a heart steadfastly committed to obedience and grounded in a genuine comprehension of scripture?
Only a genuine heart and follower of Christ can truly impart Timothy's words into the hearts of others through their own personal growth and spiritual maturity. Otherwise, these words will ring hollow, for one cannot effectively teach others if they do not first obey God themselves.
So, who is the critic, and who dares to challenge them with scriptural support and God's endorsement of reproof, while others simply seek to defend their flawed perspectives and uphold individuals who should not be defended because of their unrepentant behavior in public?
2 Timothy 2:23-25 New King James Version
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
Only then can we put into practice by means of scripture who in 2 Timothy it truly applies to. Isaiah 48:17-18
 

That simply implies that you, as a glorified plumber, do not truly comprehend quantum physics as you pretend to. However, you are indeed right about one thing - your criminal record, which is easily accessible to anyone, will reveal the true nature of your character. That was the intended reference, not the delusional manipulation of words that you employ to divert attention from the fact that you are fundamentally driven by base instincts as an animal at heart, which you continue to display, and people want to continue to defend you for it.
Their vigorous defense of you speaks volumes about their lack of Christian ethics, overshadowing your insignificant existence.
I prefer not to engage in conflict with an uninformed individual, even in this thread that was intriguing, but unfortunately, someone uncouth always manages to spoil it.

It's satisfying to know that my comments concerning profanity aren't going unnoticed, especially when they come from someone who considers themselves superior without even attempting to contribute intellectually. I suppose it's true what they say, once an animal, always an animal. It seems that with your criminal record, you're destined to remain that way.
This exercise benefits a specific person in the closed club who believes that Christian love is the solution, despite a person's heart being beyond redemption with their public actions and behavior. I would be embarrassed to think this animal was once a JW.

The precise date of Jesus' birth is a subject of speculation, with some suggesting it occurred in either 2 BC or 4 BC. If we consider 2 BC, there is an interesting discrepancy with the calendar months. In Tishri, the festival celebration takes place, but Jesus commanded his followers to observe Nisan 14. According to the Jewish calendar, this corresponds to the Passover Sacrifice (Pesach) on April 18, 2 B.C., which adds further significance to Jesus' birth.
The scripture does not mention the celebration of Jesus' birth on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) on Tishri 1, 3760, which falls on September 29, 2 B.C.
As you have confessed to secretly celebrating your own birthday, which is no longer a secret, it would be up to your conscience if you want to celebrate Jesus birthday. However, since the date isn't determined, by accepting the possibility of Jesus being born in 2 B.C., you will need to make some adjustments. As I mentioned before, since the exact date is unknown, it is reasonable to consider anywhere from 6 to 1 B.C. There are biblical scholars who suggest that John the Baptist was born approximately 6 months before Jesus, which would place John's birth in 1 B.C., according to Wiki. You can also take into account the age at which Jesus started his ministry, you can even trace back from that.
Shhh! Don't spill the beans to your friends, family, or fellow believers outside this forum. Just kidding, I'm just teasing you.

While there is some truth to your statement, it is important to address and highlight the gravity of apostasy and false accusations against the Watchtower and Governing Body. These actions transcend mere linguistic abuse. Just as the Apostle warned against improper behavior, he also admonished those who strayed from the path of God's teachings and led His faithful astray.
We need to weigh these facts carefully. Unfortunately, there is one abusive person here who is making it challenging for the rest of the group, which falls under that provision of self-righteousness.
Even when attempting to engage in a civil discussion, we inevitably encounter subtle insults from the opposing side that many prefer to overlook. There is absolutely no excuse or justification to shield certain individuals simply because they identify as JWs, while they hypocritically condemn others who are merely defending themselves.
In the past, individuals were banned from this site for engaging or having personal exchanges with you. While advocating for a peaceful resolution is commendable, it is even more crucial to condemn the recurrent trend of apostate tendencies, and I sincerely hope to welcome a rational mind if there are positive interactions to be made.
It is truly unfortunate that apostasy is tolerated in our community, as it serves as a cover for the apostate actions of those who claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses.
When we empower and align ourselves with those who believe they have the right to criticize the spirituality of the Governing Body or impose their own interpretation of scripture as fact, we must examine our own integrity. By doing so, we may find ourselves complicit and biased in our understanding of the Bible.
Then, criticizing those critics becomes fair game, as they are promoting their opinions in a public forum for everyone to see. This is something that you yourself have embraced in the past.
If this were a judicial committee, those individuals would have been disfellowshipped a long time ago, even though they think it would be me instead. However, a decision must be made, and when one's actions align with scriptural truth while others rely on falsehoods, it becomes evident who should be disregarded.
Therefore, Apostle Paul's mission was also to identify those who were willing to tear down what Christ had established, by exposing and preventing it from happening, as stated in scripture. Paul was also not kind when delivering his message through his letters.
There appears to be some confusion regarding the nature of Christ's love, with some people believing it to be unconditional. However, it was Christ who set the example, while Paul was entrusted with the responsibility of establishing certain conditions for it.
Some of the individuals within the closed club were once upstanding responsible men who have strayed from the path of righteousness. This is inexcusable and should not be condoned by any Jehovah's Witness. Furthermore, there are those who condone this behavior by offering support to a disfellowshipped individual who has yet to show any sign of remorse and is still accountable under secular law for a serious offense. It is disheartening to see so-called Jehovah's Witnesses defending such a person.
Therefore, the statement may seem appropriate, but it lacks the essential correction that a faithful follower of Christ should carry. We are called to ensure that our brothers' spirituality is not influenced by negative influences, in accordance with bible principles.
The most effective solution to your profound sorrow would be to reach out to your close companions within the closed club and kindly request that they refrain from espousing apostate perspectives and disseminating falsehoods. By doing so, they would avoid revealing their true character to the general public. In turn, this would eliminate the need for individuals like myself to bring such behavior to light.
What better representation of God's guiding strength is there than to engage in a noble struggle like Christ? James truly captured this sentiment in James 1:2-4.
That is the main concern, and yes, it is indeed unfortunate but essential. Witnesses cannot, with a clear conscience, overlook the misconduct of apostasy or associate themselves with individuals who advocate for such misguided agendas under the guise of debate, especially when these individuals refuse to acknowledge their own errors. Mark 10:27 / Romans 8:28

Keep in mind the main theme related to the misinterpretation of the word "accursed," which was not meant to apply to themselves even though it applies to them even more.

If someone cannot tear their eyes away from a gruesome car accident, it reveals more about the dark nature of their mind than the accident itself.