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Our new convention song piqued my interest as to when exactly was Jesus born. According to a Hebrew Calendar, http://www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=2bc Rosh Hashanah (Tishri 1) in 2 BC is September 29 in our calendar. The angels' joyful song probably coincided with the 'trumpet blasts' that signalled the coming of the new year. 

Any comments, thoughts or otherwise? 

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The precise date of Jesus' birth is a subject of speculation, with some suggesting it occurred in either 2 BC or 4 BC. If we consider 2 BC, there is an interesting discrepancy with the calendar months

As George88 said, it's all just speculation. Charles Taze Russell thought that Jesus was "conceived" on or about December 25th, which was an early Bible Student rationale for celebrating Christmas. Ru

Christmas is still celebrated by Bible Students, who also embrace the cross and crown image. However, the remarkable thing is that Jehovah's Witnesses, although not part of the Bible Students movement

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The precise date of Jesus' birth is a subject of speculation, with some suggesting it occurred in either 2 BC or 4 BC. If we consider 2 BC, there is an interesting discrepancy with the calendar months. In Tishri, the festival celebration takes place, but Jesus commanded his followers to observe Nisan 14. According to the Jewish calendar, this corresponds to the Passover Sacrifice (Pesach) on April 18, 2 B.C., which adds further significance to Jesus' birth.

The scripture does not mention the celebration of Jesus' birth on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) on Tishri 1, 3760, which falls on September 29, 2 B.C.

As you have confessed to secretly celebrating your own birthday, which is no longer a secret, it would be up to your conscience if you want to celebrate Jesus birthday. However, since the date isn't determined, by accepting the possibility of Jesus being born in 2 B.C., you will need to make some adjustments. As I mentioned before, since the exact date is unknown, it is reasonable to consider anywhere from 6 to 1 B.C. There are biblical scholars who suggest that John the Baptist was born approximately 6 months before Jesus, which would place John's birth in 1 B.C., according to Wiki. You can also take into account the age at which Jesus started his ministry, you can even trace back from that.

Shhh! Don't spill the beans to your friends, family, or fellow believers outside this forum. Just kidding, I'm just teasing you.

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8 hours ago, Manuel Boyet Enicola said:

Any comments, thoughts or otherwise? 

As George88 said, it's all just speculation. Charles Taze Russell thought that Jesus was "conceived" on or about December 25th, which was an early Bible Student rationale for celebrating Christmas. Russell thus held the belief that Jesus would have born around 9 months later, between late September and early October.

Currently, our publications place Jesus birthday around October 1st. 

Our publications also speculate that the "first Adam" was born around October 1st, or Tishri 1 of the year 4026 BCE.

*** it-1 p. 45 Adam ***
"That was in the year 4026 B.C.E. It was likely in the fall of the year, for mankind’s most ancient calendars began counting time in the autumn around October 1, or at the first new moon of the lunar civil year." [Tishri 1]

2 hours ago, George88 said:

As I mentioned before, since the exact date is unknown, it is reasonable to consider anywhere from 6 to 1 B.C.

This is also true. A date as early as 5 or 6 BCE is speculated because the Bible says that Herod the Great was still alive. So far, all the evidence points to Herod's death in 4 B.C.E. See Wikipedia footnote resources for example.

Note that 30 years prior to the beginning of Tiberius' reign in 28 C.E. would take us to 3 B.C.E., but this was counting to the time of Jesus' baptism, and we only speculate that it was 3.5 years from his baptism to his death. Also, Luke said "about" 30 years of age. This is also one of the reasons many scholars put Jesus death closer to 30 C.E., not 33 C.E. 

Not to say that it is wrong, but the WTS publications have spent considerable effort trying to overcome the Herod (and Quirinius) evidence in order to maintain the claim that it was more likely around 2 B.C.E. It might be that 2 B.C.E. makes a better fit for the 70 weeks of years prophecy, but even here we begin counting that prophecy from a year that is about 10 years different from the secular evidence. 

*** it-1 pp. 463-467 Chronology ***
Jesus’ appearance as the Messiah came in the precise year foretold, perhaps about six months after John the Baptizer began his preaching in “the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar.” (Lu 1:36; 3:1, 2, 21-23) Since the Roman Senate named Tiberius emperor on September 15 of 14 C.E., his 15th year ran from the latter part of 28 C.E. well into 29 C.E. (See TIBERIUS.) The evidence, then, is that Jesus’ baptism and anointing took place in the fall of the year 29 C.E.
Since Jesus was “about thirty years old” at the time of his baptism in 29 C.E. (Lu 3:23), his birth took place 30 years earlier, or about the fall of the year 2 B.C.E. He was born during the reign of Caesar Augustus and the Syrian governorship of Quirinius. (Lu 2:1, 2) Augustus’ rule ran from 27 B.C.E. to 14 C.E. The Roman senator P. Sulpicius Quirinius was governor of Syria twice, the first time evidently coming after P. Quintilius Varus, whose term as legate of Syria ended in 4 B.C.E.
 

This conflicts with the evidence from secular chronology and historians of the time. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Quinctilius_Varus

Later he went to govern Syria from 7–6 BC until 4 BC with four legions under his command, where he was known for his harsh rule and high taxes. The Jewish historian Josephus mentions the swift action of Varus against a messianic revolt in Judaea after the death of the Roman client king, Herod the Great, in 4 BC.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius

After the banishment of the ethnarch Herod Archelaus from the tetrarchy of Judea in AD 6, Quirinius was appointed legate governor of Syria, to which the province of Judaea had been added for the purpose of a census.[2]

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Christmas is still celebrated by Bible Students, who also embrace the cross and crown image. However, the remarkable thing is that Jehovah's Witnesses, although not part of the Bible Students movement, have gained even greater insight from scripture compared to what Pastor Russell began to uncover on his path to truth. It is essential, for those of us who truly desire to correctly interpret scripture, to recognize that even the most significant aspects of our lives often start from humble beginnings. It is unfortunate that some of us still fail to grasp this truth.

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