Manuel Boyet Enicola
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19 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:
You're late to this party. Here's a recap. For a long time, JWs taught that 1935 was the year the door to the heavenly calling closed. In 2007, the Org changed its mind and said that the door to the heavenly calling seems to be open still. Numbers of partakers kept going up every year so the '1935 door closed' idea was no longer tenable - evidently there had to be a rethink. Check your WT CD-ROM.
You're correct. But JWs never quoted the Bible as "basis" for the year 1935, hence the question itself is, say, "defective". Pardon me, I couldn't think of a more appropriate term....
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4 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:
I sure do have proof. i think it is VERY important to be able to back up what you say.
"Logically, the calling of the little flock would draw to a close when the number was nearing completion, and the evidence is that the general gathering of these specially blessed ones ended in 1935."Watchtower 1995 Feb 15 p.19
I do not know if the English you use is the same English I understand, but the quote simply said that it was a logical conclusion as to when the heavenly calling ended. The Bible was never quoted as the "source" of the year 1935. It was simply "arrived at", in the same way Moses "supposed" (assumed, NLV) it was time for him to liberate Israel but was 40 years early in time.....
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"Because of this, many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him." (John 6:66)
Many left Jesus. Of the hundreds or even thousands that listened to him that day, only the twelve stayed.
"So Jesus said to the Twelve: “You do not want to go also, do you?” Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life." (John 6:67, 68)
Was Jesus a false prophet because many left? Of course not! They left because they were following Jesus for the wrong reasons. The same could be said of those who left after 1925 and 1975. They did NOT really love Jehovah or Jesus. Now what if they were the ones sent to Niniveh and not the prophet Jonah? They would have probably ranted and posted viciously on the internet if it were available then, as we are seeing a lot of brothers do so at this very moment!
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On 5/26/2016 at 0:00 AM, Shiwiii said:
The name Jehovah is no where to be found in the Greek scriptures. It is added by men into the NT where it never was.
NWT did not "add" the name Jehovah in the NT. Other translators did it decades before. NWT simply followed the practice.
So the question is: Did Jehovah really appeared in the NT text? The probable answer is yes, because the apostles quoted freely from the Hebrew bible or its Greek equivalent, the Septuagint. And old extant copies of the Septuagint contain the tetragramatton in Hebrew letters amid the Greek text. http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html
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On 5/25/2016 at 1:34 PM, Jesus.defender said:
Would a true prophet of God make false prophecies about World War II?‘The Nazis will destroy the British.’ (Fifth Column, p 15)
- Of course, it happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz
The new book titled Children will prove useful ‘in the remaining months before Armageddon’ (Watchtower, 15 September 1941, p 288)
- Did JW said that Armageddon will follow WWII immediately?
‘The end of Nazi Fascist hierarchy will come and will mark the end forever of demon rule.’ (Watchtower, 15 December 1941, p 377)
- Nazi rule ended. We all know that.
Prophecy? What is the point?
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On 5/25/2016 at 1:35 PM, Jesus.defender said:
How do you prove from the Bible that 1935 was the year for the selection to heaven stopped due to being filled?
I think there's something wrong about the question in the first place.
JWs never said that the year 1935 was pointed out in the bible. Got any proof to that?
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On 2/24/2016 at 4:03 AM, Γιαννης Διαμαντιδης said:
When the Prodigal Son in the parable of our Lord Jesus came back home the father accepted him. His brother didn't want him back but the father corrected the second son: “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found". -Luke 15:31.
Imagine the father question his first son's motives for coming back... imagine - instead of making a party - telling him "I will not speak to you till you will show proof of remorse" ... "you must come here every Wednesday and Sunday for at list a year, no body will talk to you but you must come here to prove you are not proud".
A person is disfellowshipped for NOT repenting his sins. Ergo, anybody who REPENTS will be accepted back. But how sure are the elders that this person has truly repented? The person needs to show "works that befit repentance." (Acts 26:20) And these include, but are not limited to meeting attendance....
In the case of the prodigal son, he acted by leaving his life of debauchery and walked back to his father, asking for forgiveness.
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On 4/20/2016 at 2:35 AM, Ann O'Maly said:
How can you be sure that Jehovah wasn't using a congregation member to correct the Org. or elders? There are plenty of esteemed Bible examples who did just that and bucked against so-called 'theocratic order.'
Agree. Jehovah even used a donkey! And Jesus said, if needed, "the stones would cry out!" (Luke 19:40)
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“Now when the time of his fortieth year was being fulfilled, it came into his heart to make an inspection of his brothers, the sons of Israel. And when he caught sight of a certain one being unjustly treated, he defended him and executed vengeance for the one being abused by striking the Egyptian down. He was supposing his brothers would grasp that God was giving them salvation by his hand, but they did not grasp [it]." - Acts 7:23-25 (Emphasis added)
Moses "supposed" he was to save Israel. But that did not made him a false prophet, right?
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If we have to believe everything posted "as is", then that also makes Jonah a false prophet. He prophesied that Niniveh would fall in 40 days and it did not happen. And also Moses who believed that he was anointed by Jehovah and it was time to liberate Israel from Egypt - only to wait 40 years more....
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On 4/3/2016 at 10:57 AM, Jesus.defender said:
Since the Organization has received "new light" regarding the 1914 generation, and completely changed their view on this, does this mean that all the former Jehovah's witnesses who were disfellowshipped years ago for the same view the organization is now teaching will automatically be accepted into fellowship again? Were these Ex-Jw's in fact disfellowshipped for truth and knew things that the governing body did not?
They were disfellowed primarily for not submitting to theocratic order. Consider Miriam (Moses' sister), Dathan, Abiram and Koreh. They all had valid reasons for their complaints. But they took matters into their own hands rather than wait on Jehovah; thus they were punished. What Jehovah seeks is a humble and repentant heart with a waiting attitude.
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How was Passover determined during Jesus' days? They don't have sophisticated astronomical equipment then. That should be the key, I suppose....
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Is "knowing the reason" for being disfellowshipped or disassociated really that important to the public? Why not ask the person involved lest an announcement may violate his/her privacy? Just wondering what is the true motive of this post?
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Let us put it this way. Jehovah gave the instructions as to when should the Passover be, that is Nisan 14. However, over the course of time, the Jews celebrated the Passover on Nisan 15. I guess that is where the "controversy" is based. As the Messiah, Jesus knows exactly what he is doing and instituting. Besides, unleavened bread is a fitting symbol of his perfect sacrifice. My two cent' worth....
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I totally agree with you brother. Going over your posts, I noticed some concerns of yours are global, some local. But just like in he first century, the apostle Peter said: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life..." (John 6:68) Today, no other organization is as close to Jehovah than the JWs. And blessed too despite the numerous "imperfections". Let's stick together and look forward to a brand New World! Cheers....
- SuzA, Queen Esther and Melinda Mills
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If they DO love Jehovah and Jesus, where will they go? Back again to non-biblical teachings such as hellfire and the trinity? (2 Peter 2:22) Otherwise, they would have stayed, as Simon Peter and the others did. (John 6:68)