JWTheologian

You seem to be confusing the word obedience. It is interesting you have managed to twist scripture to fit your own agenda. Your hypothesis lies in abstract.

Colossians 1:27-29 Context: Paul's Suffering for the Church

…27to whom God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. 29To this end I labor, striving with all His energy working powerfully within me.…

Once again, you are implying God has erred for choosing Men among Men to take the lead and dispense the spirit of the fruit to others.

Once again, your claim is, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are NOT chosen for that task. I keep reminding you, who appointed you to decide who receives the Holy Spirit of God. You are once again being nonsensical to win an argument, NOT to debate Facts of scripture.

Your own words of misinterpretation have now ventured into blasphemy, NOT by my accord, but that that of the word of God in scripture.

The governing body, are just fellow Christians striving what every Christian strives for, everlasting life. The only ones holding the GB on a pedestal are people like you. We don’t regard our members other than with respect for accepting to take the lead on a monumental responsibility that would be judged by God harsher for having that responsibility. Now is it any different than any other religion?

That’s what judgement day, is for.

You cited Matt 8:36 Context: Take up Your Cross. Now your understanding differs from that of scripture. If your own words are misleading due to the lack of understanding of the “INTENT” and “CONTEXT” by understanding the full text from verse 34 on. So in that context by defining Christ instructions, we lose our soul. Because we as men are misleading the understanding of scripture to benefit oneself NOT others.

Not to mention the conflict you have with scripture. How can you engage with conflict as in Romans 13:8 Context: Love Fulfills the Law?

8Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

if you despise wholeheartedly 7 men that have done NOTHING to you personally other than being there for your ridicule. Do you see your contradictions?

You people call us brainwashed? Where would that leave you people!!!!!

Galatians 6:1-3 Context: Carry One Another's Burdens

1Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the Law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.…

So in your world? How could you possibly achieve that fulfillment within the body of Christ, while objecting to parts of the body of Christ, by your own admission in writing. That’s Hypocrisy in its highest form.

Because you couldn’t possibly be accepting of Gods commands through Christ to what?

Matthew 28:19-20 Context: The Great Commission

…19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Matthew Henry Commentary

28:16-20 This evangelist passes over other appearances of Christ, recorded by Luke and John, and hastens to the most solemn; one appointed before his death, and after his resurrection. All that see the Lord Jesus with an eye of faith, will worship him. Yet the faith of the sincere may be very weak and wavering. But Christ gave such convincing proofs of his resurrection, as made their faith to triumph over doubts. He now solemnly commissioned the apostles and his ministers to go forth among all nations. The salvation they were to preach, is a common salvation; whoever will, let him come, and take the benefit; all are welcome to Christ Jesus. Christianity is the religion of a sinner who applies for salvation from deserved wrath and from sin; he applies to the mercy of the Father, through the atonement of the incarnate Son, and by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, and gives up himself to be the worshipper and servant of God, as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three Persons but one God, in all his ordinances and commandments. Baptism is an outward sign of that inward washing, or sanctification of the Spirit, which seals and evidences the believer's justification. Let us examine ourselves, whether we really possess the inward and spiritual grace of a death unto sin, and a new birth unto righteousness, by which those who were the children of wrath become the children of God. Believers shall have the constant presence of their Lord always; all days, every day. There is no day, no hour of the day, in which our Lord Jesus is not present with his churches and with his ministers; if there were, in that day, that hour, they would be undone. The God of Israel, the Saviour, is sometimes a God that hideth himself, but never a God at a distance. To these precious words Amen is added. Even so, Lord Jesus, be thou with us and all thy people; cause thy face to shine upon us, that thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.


 
The WTS didn’t commission these men, God’s Holy Spirit did. Those that are found worthy to receive this commission has a great responsibility and an honor to be considered spiritually just to accept that commission. They don’t consider themselves above anyone, but work alongside all that accept the inspired word of God to be the solemn constitution.

In your world? Everything was developed by men for men. Then you’re making Jah to be a liar. Is God the liar or are you? I chose to believe it’s you!!!!!!!!

The ultimate goal for true Christians is, not just preaching and teaching but, Obedience to ALL of God’s Commandments, based on Christ instructions. A structure that is governed by God not man.

Hebrews 13:16-18 Context: Sacrifice, Obedience, and Prayer

…16And do not neglect to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. 17Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you. 18Pray for us; we are convinced that we have a clear conscience and desire to live honorably in every way.…

Matthew Henry Commentary

13:16-21 We must, according to our power, give to the necessities of the souls and bodies of men: God will accept these offerings with pleasure, and will accept and bless the offerers through Christ. The apostle then states what is their duty to living ministers; to obey and submit to them, so far as is agreeable to the mind and will of God, made known in his word. Christians must not think themselves too wise, too good, or too great, to learn. The people must search the Scriptures, and so far as the ministers teach according to that rule, they ought to receive their instructions as the word of God, which works in those that believe. It is the interest of hearers, that the account their ministers give of them may be with joy, and not with grief. Faithful ministers deliver their own souls, but the ruin of a fruitless and faithless people will be upon their own heads. The more earnestly the people pray for their ministers, the more benefit they may expect from their ministry. A good conscience has respect to all God's commands, and all our duty. Those who have this good conscience, yet need the prayers of others. When ministers come to a people who pray for them, they come with greater satisfaction to themselves, and success to the people. We should seek all our mercies by prayer. God is the God of peace, fully reconciled to believers; who has made a way for peace and reconciliation between himself and sinners, and who loves peace on earth, especially in his churches. He is the Author of spiritual peace in the hearts and consciences of his people. How firm a covenant is that which has its foundation in the blood of the Son of God! The perfecting of the saints in every good work, is the great thing desired by them, and for them; and that they may at length be fitted for the employment and happiness of heaven. There is no good thing wrought in us, but it is the work of God. And no good thing is wrought in us by God, but through Christ, for his sake and by his Spirit.

So, what’s the end result?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Context: The Fear of God is Utmost

12But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body. 13The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.…

What does that imply, God will bring judgement upon those deceiving others with their own doctrine that is NOT based on the inspired word of God. GOD WILL!! Not you, me, or anyone thinking their ideology is above Gods sovereignty and inspired word. Something the WTS Does NOT claim to be, but does CLAIM to be fulfilling Gods commands by its commission.

You seem to be confusing the word obedience. It is interesting you have managed to twist scripture to fit your own agenda. Your hypothesis lies in abstract.

Colossians 1:27-29 Context: Paul's Suffering for the Church

…27to whom God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. 29To this end I labor, striving with all His energy working powerfully within me.…

Once again, you are implying God has erred for choosing Men among Men to take the lead and dispense the spirit of the fruit to others.

Once again, your claim is, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are NOT chosen for that task. I keep reminding you, who appointed you to decide who receives the Holy Spirit of God. You are once again being nonsensical to win an argument, NOT to debate Facts of scripture.

Your own words of misinterpretation have now ventured into blasphemy, NOT by my accord, but that that of the word of God in scripture.

The governing body, are just fellow Christians striving what every Christian strives for, everlasting life. The only ones holding the GB on a pedestal are people like you. We don’t regard our members other than with respect for accepting to take the lead on a monumental responsibility that would be judged by God harsher for having that responsibility. Now is it any different than any other religion?

That’s what judgement day, is for.

You cited Matt 8:36 Context: Take up Your Cross. Now your understanding differs from that of scripture. If your own words are misleading due to the lack of understanding of the “INTENT” and “CONTEXT” by understanding the full text from verse 34 on. So in that context by defining Christ instructions, we lose our soul. Because we as men are misleading the understanding of scripture to benefit oneself NOT others.

Not to mention the conflict you have with scripture. How can you engage with conflict as in Romans 13:8 Context: Love Fulfills the Law?

8Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

if you despise wholeheartedly 7 men that have done NOTHING to you personally other than being there for your ridicule. Do you see your contradictions?

You people call us brainwashed? Where would that leave you people!!!!!

Galatians 6:1-3 Context: Carry One Another's Burdens

1Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the Law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.…

So in your world? How could you possibly achieve that fulfillment within the body of Christ, while objecting to parts of the body of Christ, by your own admission in writing. That’s Hypocrisy in its highest form.

Because you couldn’t possibly be accepting of Gods commands through Christ to what?

Matthew 28:19-20 Context: The Great Commission

…19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Matthew Henry Commentary

28:16-20 This evangelist passes over other appearances of Christ, recorded by Luke and John, and hastens to the most solemn; one appointed before his death, and after his resurrection. All that see the Lord Jesus with an eye of faith, will worship him. Yet the faith of the sincere may be very weak and wavering. But Christ gave such convincing proofs of his resurrection, as made their faith to triumph over doubts. He now solemnly commissioned the apostles and his ministers to go forth among all nations. The salvation they were to preach, is a common salvation; whoever will, let him come, and take the benefit; all are welcome to Christ Jesus. Christianity is the religion of a sinner who applies for salvation from deserved wrath and from sin; he applies to the mercy of the Father, through the atonement of the incarnate Son, and by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, and gives up himself to be the worshipper and servant of God, as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three Persons but one God, in all his ordinances and commandments. Baptism is an outward sign of that inward washing, or sanctification of the Spirit, which seals and evidences the believer's justification. Let us examine ourselves, whether we really possess the inward and spiritual grace of a death unto sin, and a new birth unto righteousness, by which those who were the children of wrath become the children of God. Believers shall have the constant presence of their Lord always; all days, every day. There is no day, no hour of the day, in which our Lord Jesus is not present with his churches and with his ministers; if there were, in that day, that hour, they would be undone. The God of Israel, the Saviour, is sometimes a God that hideth himself, but never a God at a distance. To these precious words Amen is added. Even so, Lord Jesus, be thou with us and all thy people; cause thy face to shine upon us, that thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.


 
The WTS didn’t commission these men, God’s Holy Spirit did. Those that are found worthy to receive this commission has a great responsibility and an honor to be considered spiritually just to accept that commission. They don’t consider themselves above anyone, but work alongside all that accept the inspired word of God to be the solemn constitution.

In your world? Everything was developed by men for men. Then you’re making Jah to be a liar. Is God the liar or are you? I chose to believe it’s you!!!!!!!!

The ultimate goal for true Christians is, not just preaching and teaching but, Obedience to ALL of God’s Commandments, based on Christ instructions. A structure that is governed by God not man.

Hebrews 13:16-18 Context: Sacrifice, Obedience, and Prayer

…16And do not neglect to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. 17Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you. 18Pray for us; we are convinced that we have a clear conscience and desire to live honorably in every way.…

Matthew Henry Commentary

13:16-21 We must, according to our power, give to the necessities of the souls and bodies of men: God will accept these offerings with pleasure, and will accept and bless the offerers through Christ. The apostle then states what is their duty to living ministers; to obey and submit to them, so far as is agreeable to the mind and will of God, made known in his word. Christians must not think themselves too wise, too good, or too great, to learn. The people must search the Scriptures, and so far as the ministers teach according to that rule, they ought to receive their instructions as the word of God, which works in those that believe. It is the interest of hearers, that the account their ministers give of them may be with joy, and not with grief. Faithful ministers deliver their own souls, but the ruin of a fruitless and faithless people will be upon their own heads. The more earnestly the people pray for their ministers, the more benefit they may expect from their ministry. A good conscience has respect to all God's commands, and all our duty. Those who have this good conscience, yet need the prayers of others. When ministers come to a people who pray for them, they come with greater satisfaction to themselves, and success to the people. We should seek all our mercies by prayer. God is the God of peace, fully reconciled to believers; who has made a way for peace and reconciliation between himself and sinners, and who loves peace on earth, especially in his churches. He is the Author of spiritual peace in the hearts and consciences of his people. How firm a covenant is that which has its foundation in the blood of the Son of God! The perfecting of the saints in every good work, is the great thing desired by them, and for them; and that they may at length be fitted for the employment and happiness of heaven. There is no good thing wrought in us, but it is the work of God. And no good thing is wrought in us by God, but through Christ, for his sake and by his Spirit.

So, what’s the end result?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Context: The Fear of God is Utmost

12But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body. 13The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.…

What does that imply, God will bring judgement upon those deceiving others with their own doctrine that is NOT based on the inspired word of God. GOD WILL!! Not you, me, or anyone thinking their ideology is above Gods sovereignty and inspired word. Something the WTS Does NOT claim to be, but does CLAIM to be fulfilling Gods commands by its commission.

Here's the thing. I’m not here to press upon you what I think scripture means. I’m basically here to convey to the people that come to this website, there are people that enjoy being deceptive by misleading people here, by showing WTS literature that doesn’t convey the sentiment of the WTS but their own convoluted opinion.

The WTS bases all it’s teaching from the Holy Bible. That’s the constitution of the WTS. The WTS for Jehovah’s Witnesses changed not necessarily in 1931 when it was announced, but 1934 when their literature reflected the name change. So, anyone Baptized under that name was a real Witness and not a reformed Bible Student like Rutherford that was baptized in 1906 under the banner of Bible Students, and anyone joining the Witnesses between 1934 and 1942, when Knorr became the FIRST true leader of Jehovah’s Witnesses under that banner, were Reformed Bible Students. A description that was never entered but should have been, RBS.

The idea that the Bible Students and the Jehovah’s Witnesses share the same ideology, is simply…distorting the FACTS.

Now your biggest problem with the WTS is HATE. You definitely don't understand scripture, but press upon using scripture to misrepresent the intended use. That’s fine. The only one your hurting is you.

Now you call yourself a Christian of good standing. FALSE! If you were in good standing, you would reflect in everything you write, and correct your views.

You pretend to ignore the FACT that God left, a structured scheme for man to follow after the fall of man. You continue to suggest that Jehovah himself has failed because he used people like, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, David, etc. and anyone he deemed fit to relay his wishes. God used MEN to achieve those goals. JESUS used MEN to achieve those goals.

So the perception is ludicrous no matter how you slice it. Not to mention, you would also have to cancel yourself for being part of the human race. (MEN) Therefore all the negativity you have for the WTS can also be APPLIED to YOU.

Now you stated elsewhere not to inject personal thoughts, and yet…the opinions you have about the WTS are your personal opinion. So, do yourself a favor and not rely on apostasy sites for your information, or wannabe JW’s that pretend to be Witnesses when they are NOT. Ann O’maly, and JWinsider are a perfect example of putting trust on a false prophet. But then, anyone evangelizing for deception in the eyes of God is a FALSE PROPHET, Right! Anyone who deliberately misleads the flock for their own personal gain. Why was King Saul removed!!!

Answer yourself that. The Governing Body if you really must know didn’t have its inception when it was first published that way. It began Before Rutherford. So WTS history, you definitely don't.

Now, the outlandish look in leaders, would pretty much includes ALL religions, since they are all governed by someone. For Witnesses, we believe in scripture as our constitution.

But try to justify ACTS 6:3 Context: The Choosing of the Seven

3Therefore, brothers, select from among you seven men confirmed to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will appoint this responsibility to them.

These are GODS WORDS and CHRIST INSTRUCTIONS, I dare you!!!!!!!!!!!, find fault with them both, for suggesting to find 7 reputable “MEN”, among “MEN”. Which is the makeup of the Governing Body right now.

So, you can recite the entire bible. It won’t make any difference until you learn the TRUE meaning of scripture. Don’t let hypocrisy be ones undoing. Because in essence, your going against bible principle.

That’s strictly your opinion. Now think of the same for yourself. Christ spoke of unity for a reason. The hypothetical evil slave then falls within your own convoluted opinion.

Unfortunately, we cannot pick and choice what we will obey out of scripture, Either your obedient to the covenant or you’re not.

Mark 16:20 Context: The Ascension

20And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it.

Matthew Henry Commentary

16:19,20 After the Lord had spoken he went up into heaven. Sitting is a posture of rest, he had finished his work; and a posture of rule, he took possession of his kingdom. He sat at the right hand of God, which denotes his sovereign dignity and universal power. Whatever God does concerning us, gives to us, or accepts from us, it is by his Son. Now he is glorified with the glory he had before the world. The apostles went forth, and preached everywhere, far and near. Though the doctrine they preached was spiritual and heavenly, and directly contrary to the spirit and temper of the world; though it met with much opposition, and was wholly destitute of all worldly supports and advantages; yet in a few years the sound went forth unto the ends of the earth. Christ's ministers do not now need to work miracles to prove their message; the Scriptures are proved to be of Divine origin, and this renders those without excuse who reject or neglect them. The effects of the gospel, when faithfully preached, and truly believed, in changing the tempers and characters of mankind, form a constant proof, a miraculous proof, that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, of all who believe.

We would all love to worship God away from conflict. However, Jesus paved the way for humanity to receive spiritual food. If we don’t understand scripture, or base our own understanding of scripture. How will one know, if one has erred? So far in this website, understanding scripture is flawed.

Colossians 2:23 Context: Alive in Christ

23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Colossians 1:18 Context: The Supremacy of Christ

18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence.

I didn't choose the label, the WT did. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Context: Members of Christ

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to nor perform homosexual acts,

The WTS is an organization just like any other church. Be it Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, etc. They all publish their own understanding. However, the WTS publishes its understanding directly from scripture.

I didn't apply the conditions of these people, the WT did. Luke 23:43English Standard Version (ESV)43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

I didn't say who would make it and who wouldn't, the WT did.  Revelation 2:7 English Standard Version (ESV)7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’

So your anticlerical question. The WTS didn’t God’s Word did. Learn scripture.

Oh! I understand. I have NO difficulties. However, you need to continue to learn about scripture, and not play into your own desires, of thinking you comprehend facts.

Exactly! where has Christendom been for those 2000 years, but waging war within themselves and other religions.  So the premise of CULTS!!! lie with how? lets at least define what Christendom has NOT done to properly follow in Christ Steps.

You seem to be conflicted with wording. Between the word WAR, rather than CHALLENGE. The one who is incorrect her would be you, and your assumptions. Instead of giving it literal connotations, lookup the commentaries if you fail to understand the reasoning behind scripture.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
 
20:7-10 While this world lasts, Satan's power in it will not be wholly destroyed, though it may be limited and lessened. No sooner is Satan let loose, than he again begins deceiving the nations, and stirring them up to make war with the saints and servants of God. It would be well if the servants and ministers of Christ were as active and persevering in doing good, as his enemies in doing mischief. God will fight this last and decisive battle for his people, that the victory may be complete, and the glory be to himself.
Meyer's NT Commentary
Revelation 20:7-10. After the completion of the one thousand years, Satan is let loose; then he leads the heathen nations, Gog and Magog, to an attack upon the saints. But fire from heaven consumes those nations, and Satan is cast eternally into the lake of fire.
The takeaway is, circumstance of the people. The battle will be once again between ideology, and those submitting themselves to false teachings will be eliminated by God and Christ.

Yes, I understand the perception you think that watchtower statement means. There's no blind obedience as you people perceive.
However, so far, the Watchtower has not given me a cause to distrust their understanding of fundamental truth, as I arrive to the same conclusions. So the 144 question and the slave class is rhetorical, and irrelevant.

Your point is? Harmony is not what you people define here other than criticize the Watchtower. I am a defender of the truth, and God. You people have maligned and distorted The Watchtowers truth enough for a true witness to step in. Just like Allen Smith did with the World News Media website.

Yes, its very telling as a pretender of the truth as you hasn't a clue, of what goes on in the background in the WT Society, and how many claims are errors of not understanding the laws that govern spirituality and social justice. As for the Status Bar you mark, well to each its own. The fact that you hate your post being challenged speaks volumes of all the falsehoods you have posted so far.

Its flattering when I see a pair of born again Christians coming together to hypothesis that Jesus is God. While it is an antiquated view? It seems to making its way back since The Catholic Pope right now is a Jesuit. The best argument a Cardinal once gave me was John 1:1. “The Word”
It has more of an impressive overture to figuring the scale of Deity Jesus was. Then you have to file the myriad of information from the Jewish, Coptic, and Early Christian tradition. Of course this would have to be after the Nicene Fathers, and after the reformation of the 15 century.
The thing, this Cardinal couldn’t answer, that is, with the for mentioned scripture, there’s always room for confusion. Trinitarians always find a need to join the Father, Son, and the Holy ghost into one, by misinterpreting scripture. It suggests ancient script can neither be understood or translated to a proper meaning or definition.
Yet with the variations of scripture, one can understand the intent the writer meant to rely. One is Luke 23:34.
Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up His garments by casting lots.
The question the Cardinal could not answer was this: Since God has no beginning or an end? Why would God find it a need to materialize? It was for the benefit of who, and why would Jesus the Father need to supplicate to himself.
Same question from a different view point. Matthew 27:46.
About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?
Why would God find it a need to yell out in a loud voice, if he is one and the same. Is God, a God of trickery? Did Jesus find it a need to deceive his audience? What was the purpose of looking up to the heavens if he created it, and the angelic realm? To supplicate to himself. That would imply a delusional Christ, a wicked Messiah, because he’d be crazy enough to talk to himself, and deceive a group of people all this time.
It is only the absurdity that some suggest that the Trinity has any merit. It would be equally absurd to suggest that Jesus was the creator or co-creator of this system implied by the librarian, instead of a Master Builder.
So, Jesus (Yahushua) the Christ becomes “lord and Savior” “the anointed one” (messiah) in its original form, “Help of Jehovah or Savior” not as God but as the “word” a God, which is a lesser deity for being the first created, and savior of humanities sins.

No really, Sensationalism always makes the News, especially if its towards Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now there are many shysters out in the world trying to cash in on this Child Abuse, and many ex-witnesses making claim. God will handle it all appropriately without the intervention of clueless people attempting to add to this sensationalism.

While sensationalism is heightened? It is always prudent to know the subject one is referring to. The last Latin American Cities Conference the Pope attended in Santiago Chile this past April, outlined the scope in converts in Central America. Perhaps you should expand your knowledge and learn to criticize appropriately.

If you must include Pastor Russell in your discussion? Then learn the truth that it was the Catholic Priest that first attacked him, by calling him a none pastoral charlatan.

Exactly! where has Christendom been for those 2000 years, but waging war within themselves and other religions.  So the premise of CULTS!!! lie with how? lets at least define what Christendom has NOT done to properly follow in Christ Steps.

Just like in anything, sensationalized by the media. Were these people actual JW’s? Some stipulate they were recent converted group of Witnesses that became overzealous and acted independently of The Watchtower Christian Teachings. However, even an uneducated witness wouldn’t care one way or the other to ancient Pagan shrines.

The only good answer would be, a group of Catholic sympathizers pretending to be Jehovah’s Witnesses orchestrated that defilement to tarnish the Watchtower in order to STOP an unprecedented convert from Catholic to Witnesses. Jehovah’s Witnesses are fully aware the attack the POPE has imposed on the Watchtower, and has committed its Bishops to stop the converts at all cost.

So if you’re going to read things about the Watchtower only to complain, and criticize it? Then review and read the fine print of other religions that Satan is using to attack the Watchtower. For the Watchtower, there is nothing new with religious attacks other than since the 80’s with the introduction of the internet. Scrupulous people tend to exaggerate a problem such as child abuse, that ALL religions are guilty of.

People seem to view a bad apple as a bad barrel. Sensationalist journalist will always over play facts. Remember, LATIN AMERICA is famous for that.

This seems a little farfetched, if you believe your understanding has a better claim to salvation than Christ. You mention “Mother”. Many Christians maintain an earthly view of Mary. However, Mary served her purpose as a vessel, nothing else.

Now, you seem to forget, or don’t wish to recognize is, no one comes to the Father, unless through me. All past covenants are now reliant on Christ Sacrifice. So, while you may wish to advertise frivolous websites? Only through the Glory of God and Christ will anyone gain everlasting life. That’s non-negotiable, including Witnesses, and or anyone claiming falsehoods through their own understanding, NOT scripture.

The last time I looked, The Watchtower has made every attempt as Christ did to educate the spiritually infirm. What has Christendom done, besides boast that Jesus is God, and there is no Armageddon, but there is a literal heaven and hell. Bible thumpers usually stick with hellfire, but that’s why learning scripture goes a long way.

Matthew 28:19 Context: THE GREAT COMMISSION

Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Where is Christendom about accepting a command Christ instructed.

Matthew Henry Commentary

He now solemnly commissioned the apostles and his ministers to go forth among all nations. The salvation they were to preach, is a common salvation; whoever will, let him come, and take the benefit; all are welcome to Christ Jesus.

Mark 16:15

And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


 
Matthew 13:52 Context: The Parable of the Net

52Then He told them, “For this reason, every scribe who has been discipled in the kingdom of heaven is like a homeowner who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”

What would be the objective for Christendom? Which they have NOT done in the name of Christ.


 
Luke 24:47 Context: Jesus Unveils the Scriptures

and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem.

Acts 1:2

Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen.

Acts 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So, the process was to continue beyond the Apostles time.

Where is Christendom with the simplest of task, that the Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken the lead on.

Who has come to emulate our Lord and Savior really? Christendom, please! They only devote themselves for self-interest, not for the people of the world.

Matthew 25:31-32 Context: The Sheep and the Goats

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 Context: Christ's Coming

7and to grant relief to you who are oppressed, and to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8in blazing fire. He will inflict vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

This will include churches that acclaim apostasy. So Christendom has a long way to go before they can walk in Jesus footsteps.

1 Peter 2:21 Context: Christ's Example of Suffering

21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps.

So are Jehovah’s Witnesses taking the lead on those things mentioned in scripture? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it the actual time, that fails people, or is it the commandment that Jesus proclaimed to be observed. In a world full of imperfection, it would be mundane to cherry pick fallacies that are made daily by an overwhelming majority. The only logic behind such nonsense is to criticize. However, criticize what? Some here have failed with Saturnalia, what point can be made from those that question God’s Will. The disassociated can always find a reason. Does that make a person a genuine Witness, you decide. Just don’t blame the WTS or God if you chose poorly. Remember what the cup of Christ and the unleavened bread mean, not the object themselves.
The Christ myth and solstice
 
WILLIAM EDELEN
 
 
We are buried this time of year in mythology, legend and folklore. How many hundreds of times have we been told that Christmas celebrates the origin of Christianity? This, of course, is false. Christmas was around for eons before Jesus was ever born.
 
For thousands of years, the Winter Solstice -- Dec. 22-25 -- has been the most special time of the year and the most important date in human celebration. The sun has started its long journey home bringing springtime. Celebrating this event in this month of solstice I am part of the line of descent that has been uninterrupted almost from the birth of humankind. There has been no time when someone, somewhere, was not celebrating this date.
 
Long before the mythological birth date of Jesus in the solstice period, our bloodstream ran in the veins of sun gods and sun worshippers, Greeks and Romans, barbarians in the Germanic forests, northern worshippers of Thor, and Egyptians, Jews, Gauls, Persians and Indians.
 
No wonder humans have celebrated the date of the Winter Solstice for thousands of years considering our survival depends upon the return of the sun. No wonder that the birth of the gods in almost all religious traditions were said to have taken place during the solstice period.
 
Solstice comes from two ancient words, sol, the name of a sun god, and stice, meaning still, or the day that the sun stands still, the shortest day of the year.
 
Since all cultures have been so dependent upon the seasons, the four major festivals centered on the summer and Winter Solstice and the spring and autumn equinoxes.
 
An equinox, equi, meaning equal, and nox, meaning nights or equal nights, occurs midway between the winter and Summer Solstice, when days and nights are equal in length. Those are the four corners of the celestial year. But with the return of the sun to once again warm the earth and bring forth a resurrection of life, the Winter Solstice became the greatest of all the festivals.
 
The ancient festival in Rome was known as the Saturnalia. The emperor Aurelian established an official holiday called Sol Invicti, meaning unconquered sun, in honor of the sun god. It was held Dec. 24 and 25 and established Dec. 25 as the official solstice. All the other religions that worshipped sun gods also took Dec. 25 as the fixed date for their festivals. A major one was in honor of the Egyptian divine mother, Isis. Early Christians used to worship in front of statues of Isis suckling her divine child, Horus, the babe that she had conceived miraculously. [P.2]
When is the Longest Day / Summer Solstice?
When is the Shortest Day / Winter Solstice?
When is the date of the Equinox? Greenwich Time (GMT)
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2010
Equinoxes:
March 20 2010 17:32 GMT
September 23 2010 03:09 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2010 11:28 GMT
December 21 2010 23:38 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2011
Equinoxes:
March  20 2011 23:21 GMT
September 23 2011 09:04 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2011 17:16 GMT
December 22 2011 05:30 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2012
Equinoxes:
March  20 2012 05:14 GMT
September 22 2012 14:49 GMT
Solstices:
June 20 2012 23:09 GMT
December 21 2012 11:11 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2013
Equinoxes:
March  20 2013 11:02 GMT
September 22 2013 20:44 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2013 05:04 GMT
December 21 2013 17:11 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2014
Equinoxes:
March  20 2014 16:57 GMT
September 23 2014 02:29 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2014 10:51 GMT
December 21 2014 23:03 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2015
Equinoxes:
March  20 2015 22:45 GMT
September 23 2015 08:20 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2015 16:38 GMT
December 22 2015 04:48 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2016
Equinoxes:
March  20 2016 04:30 GMT
September 22 2016 14:21 GMT
Solstices:
June 20 2016 22:34 GMT
December 21 2016 10:44 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2017
Equinoxes:
March  20 2017 10:28 GMT
September 22 2017 20:02 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2017 04:24  GMT
December 21 2017 16:28 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2018
Equinoxes:
March 20 2018 16:15 GMT
September 23 2018 0154 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2018 10:07 GMT
December 21 2018 22:22 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2019
Equinoxes:
March 20 2019 21:58 GMT
September 23 2019 07:50 GMT
Solstices:
June 21 2019 15:54 GMT
December 22 2019 04:19 GMT
Date & Time of Solstices & Equinoxes in 2020
Equinoxes:
March 20 2020 03:49 GMT
September 22 2020 13:30 GMT
Solstices:
June 20 2020 21:43 GMT
December 21 2020 10:02 GMT

The point would be the impression that the 14th of Nissan should be observed flawlessly on that pinpoint precise time. Depending on which sequential calendar scheme one uses. The 14th of Nissan can fall on, before or after. The observation is done at the Jewish rendering of sunset. Their calendar runs from sunset to sunset per day, so it really doesn’t matter what hour equation one uses.
 
The timing is not important much more than the observance, another thing you’re missing. Just like the erred view you have with Saturnalia in other posts. I believe, I was clear on that. So unless, one has been to the past to define the exact time? Modern mathematical computation tables will defer, there's nothing absolute. Just as illustrated with the Solstice and Equinox. Time will defer from GMT to any other time zone.
 
Gregorian calendar: 2016 March 23
Julian Calendar:       2016 March 10
Hebrew Calendar:   5776 Veadar 13
 
Hebrew Calendar: 5776 Nissan 14 / Gregorian calendar: 2016 April 21
 
Hebrew Calendar 3776 Nissan 14 / Gregorian calendar -3727 March 24 / Sunset to Sunset 23/24

'Erred view'? Lol, I think your memory might be tricking you. You rehashed Hislopian misconceptions, tried to pass off fiction and fable as historical fact, and copy-pasted any old bits of nonsense off the internet in a vain attempt to add weight to sensationalist, unverified claims about ancient Christmas practice.
 
Is it the Org, or you puffed up with pride? It seems you have forgotten ALL the Encyclopedia and book references I used to illustrate how wrong you were. That’s how you trend this reverse psychology manifestation technique.
 
And now you have just proven another point when disassociated people as yourself find a need to show how wrong the WTS got its dates and time wrong, when all the time it was the original poster that got it wrong. Anyone can misrepresent the WTS literature, and its intended purpose. How about linking the thread that disproved your theory on Saturnalia that was DELETED by TheWorldNewsMedia in your behalf. So people can have the ACTUAL FACTS. Lol
 

Nice epilogue, with MIXED signals. Once again, if you’re going to use Bible Student Ideology, understand what they were dealing with, with world events and religious views at that time. What the IBSA message was for that era.
 
If you want to criticize the WTS, then start from 1931…forward.
 
That way people can see the nonsense for what it is, instead of thinking people are smart for throwing out a bunch of meaningless research, just like how FALSE it is to think and QUESTION if the bread used was UNLEAVENED or LEAVEN, please…read the bible.
 
Read and learn what the difference was for the Passover and the Lord’s evening meal, and why so many have misconceptions about the DAY and HOUR. However, after the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Most scholars that research the gospel focus and understand the theme and language to be generally Jewish. But conflicts with some of the Judean establishment as an Intra-Jewish Debate.
 
JW’s literature: Watchtower December 15, 2013 Page 15
 
Jehovah Witnesses obey God’s commandments, NOT the meaningless rhetoric that MAN makes, if Christians should or shouldn’t observe a Jewish Tradition based on Christ words that EVERYONE should observe…since salvation was extended to EVERYONE. So Jews, None Jews, or anyone seeking salvation is invited to the observance of Christ Memorial.
 
Exodus 12:8 context: The First Passover
 
Luke 22:19 context: The Lord's Supper Instituted
 
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
 
22:19,20 The Lord's supper is a sign or memorial of Christ already come, who by dying delivered us; his death is in special manner set before us in that ordinance, by which we are reminded of it. The breaking of Christ's body as a sacrifice for us, is therein brought to our remembrance by the breaking of bread. Nothing can be more nourishing and satisfying to the soul, than the doctrine of Christ's making atonement for sin, and the assurance of an interest in that atonement. Therefore we do this in remembrance of what He did for us, when he died for us; and for a memorial of what we do, in joining ourselves to him in an everlasting covenant. The shedding of Christ's blood, by which the atonement was made, is represented by the wine in the cup.
 
 
Side note: Ann O’maly
 
The only thing you dismantled was how WRONG you are and have been for MANY years. You do better when you criticize the WTS in other sites. At least everyone there knows you’re a non-witness. And yes, there is a conspiracy when your friends DELETE the proof needed to see how wrong you were. But then again, I don’t need that kind of assistance to defend the truth.

I would expect no less from a staunch supporter of ANN, JWinsider. However, half-truth and lies don’t make a factual answer. Something you should be familiar with yourself, since you also agree with ANN on the UN NGO DPI fabrication, by reading between the lines and misinterpreting the WTS intended purpose. “Just to continue access to the UN Library” Anything else is just embedded rhetoric. Now I’m being generous. If people want to actually learn about the truth surrounding scripture? The WTS has done that to the best of its ability. Fractal fallacies dreamt by opposers isn’t research. I would say, the majority of things posted on the internet are FALSE and FABRICATED to look good for others to criticize. I would venture to say, an active witness with over 30 years of bible truth, has just begun to understand scripture. It takes a life time of dedication to achieve half of what the Apostles learned from Christ. That’s why Theology is NOT just one factor but many levels of understanding. Something the GB has done very well.
 
And thank you JWinsider for seeing my latter point at least. It’s always a pleasure.
 
Dear JWtheologian I believe that some people don't like to listen the truth and they even try to hide it... are you one of those people?
 
Not at all GD. I enjoy reading the truth. People that are disassociated but pretend to be an active witness does not qualify as written truth. Something you are correct about. The day someone other than brothers and Ex-Witnesses show me something new here? Then, just like GB Jackson told the ARC, We are always interested in new research to see it does or does not harmonize with scripture. Meanwhile, about 99.3 % have been wrong with understanding scripture. Especially ex-bethelites. Lol!