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What quotient should be the intelligence of a person to accept Jesus?
I'm interested in how you measure the quality or quantity of that something in the heart, and I guess that would be a prerequisite for a person to accept Jesus, too?
What category does mind fall into in all of this?
Intelligence, heart, mind = ?.., transformation?
Can a person with reduced intelligence carry out the transformation?

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Choked, sputtered, and FAILED AGAIN when called out to prove your accusations, Georgie.
What’s that now… 13 times?

Its a bit hilarious watching jw's playing ping pong but insisting on using eggs instead of a ping pong ball.

Intelligence is not the only quality that can save a person from fraud. JWs, along with many other religious people, are proof of this.
Word Origin
When someone has the same opinions and beliefs as those held by most other people, these opinions are usually considered the "right" opinions to have. In English such opinions might be called "orthodox." The English word orthodox comes originally from the Greek words orthos, meaning "right, true" and doxa, meaning "opinion." These two words were combined to form the Greek verb orthodoxein, meaning "to have the right opinion." From orthodoxein came the Greek adjective orthodoxos, which was borrowed into Latin as orthodoxus. The English adjective orthodox comes from this Latin adjective. - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orthodox
Considering that I do not belong to any religion, your statement makes no sense. Another thing that needs to be said for objective accuracy is the term "orthodoxy". Every religion is orthodox in its essence, even when it changes in its doctrines. The country I live in is historically Catholic. JWs are orthodox because they do not accept religious change unless approved by their GB. So JWs are completely orthodox as long as they believe that they are the only ones right in claiming that their Christianity is "original" and is "only true".
God is as successful as his creation. Considering that God said that everything created is "good", then every person today is also "success" because he/she is the inheritor of the original act of creation. Also, God nowhere indicated that any child born of Adam and Eve is/was "failure". If you want to use a religiously colored term for something that designates me or you in some moral category, then it is the word "sinful", not "failure".
 

Prove God wrong?  What does that even mean? As usual your 4th grade replies make no sense at all . Your infantile accusations NEVER have any proof, and I have directly challenged you at least a dozen times.
You ALWAYS choke and sputter when proof is demanded, so no surprise there.
Your quote has FOUR false premisses. Can you find them?
… and “Prove God wrong?”.
What does that even mean?

If WTJWorg wanted to prove its "unwavering commitment" in dealing with CSA, then it should not, as in the case of the Australian branch, hide from its own public the large number of pedophiles who ran rampant in JW congregations all those 60 years and more. Moreover, the GB instructions contributed to the ineffectiveness of elders handling CSA claims within the congregation. Instead of cooperating with the civil authorities, they kept everything secret and even prevented the victims from fighting for minimal justice.
GB has already proven its "transformative" role. After a decades of banning beards and trousers, a "successful transformation" has been carried out. Does anyone who sees only this sliver of reality about GB expect that these are the people "of unwavering morality"  who will be the foundation of the NWO you speak so passionately about? GB people who bring bans and permits about beards and pants, about monthly reports, about greeting and not greeting former JWs, etc. are not the base or foundation of some imaginary new and healthy human society. This type of individuals who are united in a specific group of manipulators of other people's faith and conscience does not deserve trust.
Are you waiting for a transformation? Transformation will not happen tomorrow or in the future. If it didn't start happening in the past or today, then it won't happen. While an individual lives, he/she is or is not part of the transformation. In which transformation are we personally participating? Will there be a transformation due to our activity or passivity? Changes happen with us or without us, that's clear. Don't wait for the NWO, because some other people will live in it. You and I already live in a form of the NWO created by people from the past. To put it simply.

If WTJWorg wanted to prove its "unwavering commitment" in dealing with CSA, then it should not, as in the case of the Australian branch, hide from its own public the large number of pedophiles who ran rampant in JW congregations all those 60 years and more. Moreover, the GB instructions contributed to the ineffectiveness of elders handling CSA claims within the congregation. Instead of cooperating with the civil authorities, they kept everything secret and even prevented the victims from fighting for minimal justice.
GB has already proven its "transformative" role. After a decades of banning beards and trousers, a "successful transformation" has been carried out. Does anyone who sees only this sliver of reality about GB expect that these are the people "of unwavering morality"  who will be the foundation of the NWO you speak so passionately about? GB people who bring bans and permits about beards and pants, about monthly reports, about greeting and not greeting former JWs, etc. are not the base or foundation of some imaginary new and healthy human society. This type of individuals who are united in a specific group of manipulators of other people's faith and conscience does not deserve trust.
Are you waiting for a transformation? Transformation will not happen tomorrow or in the future. If it didn't start happening in the past or today, then it won't happen. While an individual lives, he/she is or is not part of the transformation. In which transformation are we personally participating? Will there be a transformation due to our activity or passivity? Changes happen with us or without us, that's clear. Don't wait for the NWO, because some other people will live in it. You and I already live in a form of the NWO created by people from the past. To put it simply.

… that’s exactly what I would expect the evil Vicar of Warwick to say when proven wrong … 

Georgie… if you got into your agenda driven, obfuscating mind you were standing on the surface of the Moon, no amount of evidence would convince you otherwise.
Ok, Ok …. here’s a REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF REAL LIFE EVIDENCE … it has taken the Governing Body SIXTY YEARS to get what is basic common sense to most people, right.
BEARDS
AND HOW DID THEY AFTER SIXTY YEARS OF TYRANNY FINALLY GET IT RIGHT? 
… by adopting the exact same perspective …. 100% …. as shown in the Apostate parody of the Watchtower that I showed earlier …
… about which you had no comment whatsoever, because it was 100% TRUE.
You asked for evidence.
Well … you got it!
…. hard irrefutable evidence from the REAL world.

Certainly, I can help you with that. Are you familiar with the interpretation of scripture?
Once again, you seem to be embracing confusion or projecting it onto others. If you are discussing the interpretation of scripture by linguistic experts, your argument may have some validity. However, the passage in Ezekiel clearly addresses idolatry and the self-appointment of some Elders to engage in idol worship. When has there been any evidence of the Governing Body worshipping idols? Disregard imprudent advice that diminishes your credibility.
If you suggest that God deliberately misguides people in a deceitful manner, then I must emphasize:
Ezekiel 14:9 New International Version
9 “‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel.
1 Kings 22 New International Version
26 The king of Israel then ordered, “Take Micaiah and send him back to Amon the ruler of the city and to Joash the king’s son 27 and say, ‘This is what the king says: Put this fellow in prison and give him nothing but bread and water until I return safely.’”28 Micaiah declared, “If you ever return safely, the Lord has not spoken through me.” Then he added, “Mark my words, all you people!”
What parallel are you trying to achieve with your misrepresentation of scripture and lack of knowledge thereof when comparing idol worship and Micaiah's prophecies against Ahab that you believe God was leading people astray, other than they themselves leading themselves astray from God?
I am eagerly anticipating your evidence that the Governing Body does not receive God's Holy Spirit. The suggestion falls far short of being convincing.

@Pudgy
Thanks for the info.
So, JWs do not celebrate birthdays because it has pagan roots.
But they also shave their beards despite the fact that shaving has pagan roots.

What an inconsistency!
lol

@Pudgy
Thanks for the info.
So, JWs do not celebrate birthdays because it has pagan roots.
But they also shave their beards despite the fact that shaving has pagan roots.

What an inconsistency!
lol

If we want to include the biblical text in a possible answer to this dilemma, then based on the experience of people who "received HS" in the period covered by the Bible, we could come up with elements, indicators of what a person receiving HS looks like, how a person receiving HS behaves and what effects, actions in relation to people and the environment does a person who gets HS have.
Should we read together the Bible passages that describe the HS and the people of Bible time, in order to come to the answer?
Which biblical persons with the power, gift of HS can we compare with a member of GB??
And vice versa,
Which member of GB can we compare to a biblical person who acts under the power, gift of HS??
20  Jehovah then said, ‘Who will fool Aʹhab, so that he will go up and fall at Raʹmoth-gilʹe·ad?’ And one was saying one thing while another said something else. 21  Then a spirit*r came forward and stood before Jehovah and said, ‘I will fool him.’ Jehovah asked him, ‘How will you do it?’ 22  He replied, ‘I will go out and become a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’s So he said, ‘You will fool him, and what is more, you will be successful. Go out and do that.’ 23  And now Jehovah has put a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours,t but Jehovah has declared calamity for you.”u 1. Kings 22,NWT
 
Ezekiel 14:9 General 9  “‘But if the prophet is fooled and gives a response, it is I, Jehovah, who have fooled that prophet. I will then stretch out my hand against him and annihilate him from my people Israel.

Hold onto your hair!
Read THIS and see if it reminds you of “someone” we know …. !!!!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spaced-out-sheila-jackson-lee-tells-texas-students-planet-moon-made-up-gases

i suspect about half of the convicted “apostates” are really “double agents”, serving Jehovah’s best interests while wearing the scarlet letter “A”, to precipitate important reform that is sorely needed.
THE classic example is the 2016-2017 apostate generated Watchtower Parody on beards, in which EVERYTHING STATED was 100% true, and diametrically opposed to the teachings and practices of the Society and the Governing Body, and the practices of the global congregations’ body of elders, with VERY few exceptions.
In March of 2024, the Governing Body caved in and recognised officially as true all the apostate points in that 2016-2017 apostate Watchtower parody.
When your agenda is control, bad things happen, and there is tyranny.
When your agenda is TRUTH, good things happen, and there is Liberty!
Dec 2016 Watchtower draft article .pdf




 

I have managed to come to a realization regarding this matter. Therefore, there is no need to be concerned. The core argument I presented remains valid and relevant: It is important for you to demonstrate that the DB does not receive the Holy Spirit of God.
Whose standards are you basing this assumption on? Is it your perception or someone else's influencing you with such nonsense? 
Why would the Holy Spirit of God lead someone astray? That's a significant assumption about someone's mental state.
Your false narrative should not be taken into consideration, as you are an apostate, lol!

Sorry for google translate. It is about power, authority, authorization, mandate.
quote: "..,provide evidence that the Governing Body does not receive God's Holy Spirit..,"
quote: "The GB interprets scripture in the manner it was originally intended...,there is no alternative way to interpret scripture"
In an effort to accept your claims and belief about GB, we would have to reconcile the view that the way Jesus and God works is visible in the practice of GB. They (GB) make a "biblically based" conclusion (interpretation) which later turns out to be incorrect and wrong. So Jesus and God misrepresented his ideas to them? Or did they not understand them? Truly the "divine way" of communication.
An "alternative" to the previous explanation always exists in the WTJWorg religion. Sufficient evidence to question whether GB members "got the spirit" for the dogmas that have already changed as well as those that did not (but will be, lol).

Yes, or no ….. sometimes.
After carefully analyzing the above post, word by word, and line by line, the following becomes clear.
1. "Verbose but lacking substance."
2. "Engages in lengthy but fruitless speculation."
3. "Prone to rambling without reaching meaningful conclusions."
4. "Overwhelms with quantity rather than quality."
5. "Spews out a torrent of irrelevant questions and baseless assertions."
6. "Master of the art of prolific yet empty rhetoric."
7. "Produces a flood of words that lead nowhere."
8. "Obscures the point with an avalanche of verbiage."
9. "Buries the reader under a mountain of aimless musings."
10. "Fills paragraphs with meandering thoughts and unsubstantiated claims."
… but it does show considerable skill, I will have to admit that.
Especially point No. 6.
….. if you think I am kidding …. read Georgie’s post out loud as if expecting a line by line rsponse, and LISTEN to it.
 

Which brings up the question, is the GB standing firm on that silly and PAINFULLY transparent “Overlapping Generations” thingy?

GB decide to give permission.  lol
 
 
 

Absolutely, they have a deep understanding that God is always there to support them.