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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Dear Thinking, in this few days you participated with 10 posts/comments about same event. And now you concluded how you are in some sort of regret for opening "that link" and involved yourself in "this fiasco". Why do you think how speaking about such issue is your or our "fiasco"? Do you feel need for repentance because you involved yourself into this? Do you need to confess your "sin" about this to your elders in congregation? And to tell them how you are in virtual "inappropriate association with weak brothers and former members" ?
    The exchange of experiences and opinions that take place here can be helpful in acquiring the skill of discerning truth, falsehood, and that between this two.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    It seems to me you like to shoot the messenger.
    Guilty or innocent, do you not think it shameful to be arrested for sexual offenses?
    1. Do you not know this site at all?
    2. The information I posted was true and already public.
    I didn't post his mugshot and allegations. I posted an embedded link to the inmate page that only signed-in members of the forum could access. 
    Now look who's speculating.
    And yet you are and have been participating.
    Edit to add: I was referring to JTR's cryptic message and sudden absence. I think you may have read too quickly, @Thinking.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Africa is Slowly Creating a New Ocean   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in God's Kingdom but who's in it ?   
    Those in what the WT calls, the “world”, recognize the repression of Jesus Christ in the organization; although they may not know exactly why. 
    This man has found the quote that I had once read, and lost the source of.  It shows a total change from concentration on Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, to the “name” of God over the years in the organization.  Was this the goal of the apostles?  (take note @Arauna, what your organization has to say about Christ’s sacrifice quoted in the video)
    After giving short quips of Gerrit Losch’s comments about who are the counterfeit Christians, the maker of the video asks;  “Am I the one who is trying to paint a picture that Jehovah’s Witnesses are slighting Jesus?  Or, is it a deliberate mission by Jehovah’s Witnesses?
     
    “God’s Kingdom Rules”, ch4, pg 42, par 9:
    “First, Jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of God’s name. Faithful early Bible Students viewed the ransom arrangement as the Bible’s main teaching. That explains why the Watch Tower often focused on Jesus. For example, in its first year of publication, the magazine mentioned the name Jesus ten times more than the name Jehovah. Regarding the Bible Students’ early years, The Watchtower of March 15, 1976, noted that they gave “overbalanced importance” to Jesus. In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name. How did that affect the Bible Students? Especially from 1919 onward, says the same Watchtower article, “they began showing more appreciation for Messiah’s heavenly Father, Jehovah.”
    In fact, during the decade following 1919, The Watch Tower mentioned God’s name over 6,500 times!”
     
    What an accomplishment!  Really?  The organization made sure, “Jehovah” was inserted in the New Testament; and at times, replacing where the reference to Jesus as “Lord” should have remained.  I repeat what I’ve said before, it is as if this hybrid name, “Jehovah” has become some sort of talisman for JWs. 
    Was the apostle Paul, and all the apostles, guilty of giving an “overbalanced importance” to Jesus, by speaking about him as much as they did?  We are to support Christ’s truth, his teachings as the Word and “law” of God. (John 8:31; John 1:1)  This is what the apostles did, without hesitation, without fear!  Jesus said, we cannot come to know the Father without knowing the Son, first!
    But, the entire mission behind the organization is to bypass the concentration on Christ and his teachings, which is documented above;  even though JWs may stress they follow his teachings. (Matt 7:21-23) 
    "For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!"  2 Cor 11:4
    This evil mission causes one to never begin to “know” Jesus Christ, and diverting that person from knowing the Father.  This is why people who leave the WT are found speaking about Christ!  They finally have the freedom to search him out.  
    How is that done? How is the truth suppressed in the organization?  Number one, by installing a “wicked slave” who beats down Christ’s bodily members who are to speak truth from their hearts.  (Matt 24:48-51; 1 John 2:27)
    Two - by telling them not to “bond” as a group; which means not to recognize their immediate Head as Jesus Christ, instead of 8 men who rule over them. Their union would become a spiritual threat to Satan’s “synagogue”.  (Rev 2:9-11) These men and their priesthood have so much power, that God's "Israel" refuse to speak, not only for God, but also for Jesus Christ and truth.
    Three – replace them with a counterfeit priesthood, and trample down God’s Temple in Christ.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4)
    “So they were saying to him, “Where is your father?” Jesus replied, “You know neither me nor my Father! If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.”  John 8:19
     
    Can any JW say, they know Jesus Christ?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Sorry for butting in, but I think she meant JTR's family too. I am sure JTR getting arrested has had a negative impact on them (his wife etc.), regardless whether he is guilty or innocent.
    edit: Ok, I just saw she explained it...
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from 4Jah2me in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I believe Ann O'Maly's viewpoint is of general value, and it does not target particular, this one, case.   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in God's Kingdom but who's in it ?   
    Isn’t it true that we believe Satan is the reigning “king” of darkness?  The “ruler” of this world? (John 12:31) From the first century, Jesus has been a reigning king of light. 
    A king receives authority to rule.
    “And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”  Matt 28:18
    A king conquers.
    “I have said these things to you so that in me you may have peace. In the world you have affliction, but have courage! I have conquered the world.”  John 16:33
    Christ’s light has overpowered the darkness of Satan. 
    “The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.”  John 1:5
    Does he need any of us to rule with him? No, but the purpose of the 144,000 Bride of Christ is to bring to fulfillment to the New Covenant promise of life; firstly, to those of his Bride, and then to all of God’s children.  Jesus, “the righteous one” (1 John 2:1; Heb 1:8,9),  shares with his anointed faithful, kings/priests (whether male or female), what he inherited as the “firstborn” seed of Abraham – the earth! (Gen 22:17; Gal 3:26-29) Adam lost his inheritance, the “second Adam” receives it.  (Hos 6:7; Ps 2:7,8)   
    The “righteous shall inherit the land”.  (Ps 37:29)  Are the faithful 144,000 not found “righteous” as Jesus? (Rev 19:8)  The full spectrum of the Kingdom where Christ and the anointed “rule”,  is both “heavenly” and “earthly”.  (2 Pet 3:13)  Each sealed anointed one is “in Christ”, becoming one with him, just as he is one with God.  At the end of their physical life, they rule immediately with Christ in heaven. They are not waiting for a resurrection.  And, these “righteous” ones in Christ, are “kings” sealed in “heaven”, while still on the earth.  Heb 12:10; Rev 5:9,10  Being in heaven or being “heavenly”, is a spiritual state, it is not a place, as the earth is an established place. 
     Can we not picture the apostles as priests and kings reigning with Christ, even before they lost their physical life? They were sealed in the “heavens” before they died.  (2 Cor 1:22) The priests are “messengers” (Mal 2:7); in Christ, they are spirit messengers.  The Greek meaning for “angel” is “messenger”.  Angels are of heaven, they are spirit (Eph 2:6; Heb 12:22,23; Rom 8:9)  The anointed are “angel”/messengers. 
    Col 1:12-14 – “giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the saints' inheritance in the light. 13 He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son he loves. 14 In him we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” 
    “Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?  1 Cor 15:55
    John 6:63 - “The Spirit is the one who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
    Does God’s Spirit ever – die - or remain unresponsive in the abyss?  We already know that Jesus was alive in spirit while in the abyss, preaching to demons. (1 Pet 3:18-20)
    To reiterate, the anointed are “born again” (1 Pet 1:23), they are given spirit life, the spirit of God; and if they are found faithful – if they have not lost God’s spirit, which can happen (1 Cor 10:12; 2 Pet 3:17)  -  they will pass from physical death to their spirit life with Christ. They are the “new creation”, both flesh and spirit. Yet even so, they are alive in spirit while remaining in their physical body. 
    There are many "144,000" kings reigning alongside of Christ in “heaven” now, who is the Head of the members of his “Body”. (Rev 14:1)  Each one of these also had to conquer darkness.  Would Jesus leave his members to wait in the grave, if they had conquered darkness and evil just as he had? 
    “I have written to you, children, because you have known the Father. I have written to you, fathers, because you have known the One who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God resides in you, and you have conquered the evil one.” 1 John 2:14
     “You are from God, little children, and have conquered them, (“antichrist”)  because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world and the world listens to them.” 1 John 4:4
     
    Psalm 110:1  “A declaration of YHVH to my lord,
    “Sit at my right hand
    until I make your enemies your footstool.”
    Does this mean that Jesus was inactive as he sat at God’s right hand, waiting for God to put enemies at his feet?  Does this mean that it was in 1914 that all of Christ’s enemies finally became his “footstool”?  If so, who is he battling against in Armageddon?
    “For it is necessary for him to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.“  1 Cor 15:25
    Christ and the Father are one. Christ said whatever he does, comes from the Father. Thus, they are both putting his enemies under his feet.
    So Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing from himself except what he sees the Father doing. For whatever that one does, these things also the Son does likewise.”  John 5:19

    Psalm 110:2 - YHVH will send out your mighty scepter from Zion;
    rule in the midst of your enemies.
    He has been ruling since the first century, over his priests/kings.  His enemies are those anointed “kings” who align themselves with Satan. (1 Tim 6:15; Rev 1:5)   They speak lies about his reign. They speak lies about the reign of the anointed, which we see happening in the organization.  They are the accusers, just as Satan accused Jesus when he was on earth. (Rev 12:10)  The accusers were once “among” his faithful ones.   (1 John 2:19; Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12)
    Ps 110:3 - Your people will be free will offerings (“volunteers”)  in the day of your power.
    Who are his people?  Wouldn’t they be God’s anointed ones – “Israel”?  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9

    “In holy splendor, from the womb of the dawn,
    you will have the dew of your youth.”
     
     Watchtower’s teaching of 1914 is evidence of suppression against Christ’s rule already established in the heavens in the first century - what it is for, and of the rule of his priests and kings with him; whether on the earth once sealed as faithful, or after their physical life has ended, and are raised to “heaven”.  Who would promote the lie that he did not reign until 1914?  It would be the ruler, “king” of this world, who is furious at losing his kingdom. (Rev 12:7-9)  It is already evident that the teaching of 1914 hangs on by a thread of lies to keep it alive. Even past leaders have questioned its authenticity.  Who would also promote the lie that Jesus’ faithful members of his Body are still awaiting a resurrection?  Doesn’t it seem that such lies would create a picture of Christ as powerless, as well as God’s anointed as powerless?
    So, here’s the conundrum.  Gerrit Losch said that at the outbreak of Armageddon, the GB would be resurrected to heaven. Does their physical self, die, before this?  Do they spend any time in the “grave”?  He didn’t mention dying, only that the elders would take over for the GB and they would be ruling with Christ.
     Are they allowed spirit life immediately with Christ, while the apostles or any other faithful and sealed anointed over the last 2,000 years waits until the resurrection?  Do they believe the tombs will open once the GB  has ascended?
    Can you see their push to be exalted, not humbled, before Jesus Christ judges them? (Matt 25:23,30)  This is the whole agenda of the WT, both the organization and its leadership (Rev 13:1,11); to take down the anointed in Christ, with lies, and it is accomplished by the use of DECEIT. (Rev 13:11,12,14; 20:10)
    I didn’t see it while in the WT; no one can, unless they step aside and plead with God and Christ to know the truth - not allowing themselves to be encouraged by earthly desires in an earthly organization, that foster what they want to believe; and by leaning on their own understanding.  Prov 3:5-7
    I’ve realize how important it is to start from scratch once leaving the organization.  Its leaders have changed, twisted, and made 360-degree turnarounds in their teachings over the years. I am appalled that I swallowed “fruit” that had no stability or lasting nourishment. (John 15:4)  It is like plugging into a feeding tube of lies.  Anything could be added to it, without one being aware of the consequences. (Deut 29:17-20)  To find any genuine “truth” that comes from the organization, takes work; and we on the outside, understand that.  Although, it is just how Satan wants it to be. (Col 2:18; Rev 13:10;16:13-16) Because it does takes work, it is far easier for the general JW, to accept what comes out of the mouths of the GB, any time, any day, than to do any independent scriptural research.   There is enough subtle fear tactics used, to prevent it. 
     
    “ But these people have hearts that draw back from God and wills that rebel against Him; they have revolted and quit His service and have gone away [into idolatry].
    24 Nor do they say in their hearts, Let us now reverently fear and worship the Lord our God, Who gives rain, both the autumn and the spring rain in its season, Who reserves and keeps for us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
    25 Your iniquities have turned these blessings away, and your sins have kept good [harvests] from you.
    26 For among My people are found wicked men; they watch like fowlers who lie in wait; they set a trap, they catch men.
    27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit and treachery; therefore they have become great and grown rich,
    28 They have grown fat and sleek. Yes, they surpass in deeds of wickedness; they do not judge and plead with justice the cause of the fatherless, that they may prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy.
    29 Shall I not punish them for these things? says the Lord. Shall I not avenge Myself on such a nation as this?
    30 An appalling and horrible thing [bringing desolation and destruction] has come to pass in the land:
    31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests exercise rule at their own hands and by means of the prophets. And My people love to have it so! But what will you do when the end comes?”  Jer 5:23-31
     
    “I then heard another voice from heaven saying,  Come out from her, my people, so that you may not share in her sins, neither participate in her plagues.
    5 For her iniquities (her crimes and transgressions) are piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her wickedness and [her] crimes [and calls them up for settlement].
    6 Repay to her what she herself has paid [to others] and double [her doom] in accordance with what she has done. Mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed [for others].
    7 To the degree that she glorified herself and reveled in her wantonness [living deliciously and luxuriously], to that measure impose on her torment and anguish and tears and mourning. Since in her heart she boasts, I am not a widow; as a queen [on a throne] I sit, and I shall never see suffering or experience sorrow—
    8 So shall her plagues (afflictions, calamities) come thick upon her in a single day, pestilence and anguish and sorrow and famine; and she shall be utterly consumed (burned up with fire), for mighty is the Lord God Who judges her.”  Rev 18:4-8
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I believe Ann O'Maly's viewpoint is of general value, and it does not target particular, this one, case.   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I disagree - as do child abuse prevention agencies.
    Also see this article:
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Now to JTR. We do not know the exact nature of the material or the circumstances leading to his (alleged) possession or viewing of it, and I'm not going to speculate. I will be most interested in the outcome of his future trial, whichever way it goes. I'm sure other members here feel the same. As he was a frequent poster here, that outcome should, imo, be shared on this forum just as his arrest was. There's nothing shameful about posting publicly available, factual information on a person we interacted with and which could help explain his cryptic message and sudden absence, @Thinking. The shame is in being arrested for that crime.
    I just hope his family and the (alleged) victims are coping OK because this whole saga must be turning their worlds upside-down. Too often we focus on the accused and forget the other lives upended by this.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in A FOUNDATION OF TRUTH?   
    Below is an excerpt from the "Golden Age" magazine of April 2, 1930 pg 446  
    Truly, this is a patriarchal organization, from the ground up. Its foundation is formed by such teachings.  Remember, 1914 was taught during this same time period; a belief that has changed colors many times since Russel.  Should JWs today scoff at the answer to the question, yet readily accept 1914?  JWs are quick to state they live according to Jesus’ teachings, while also playing ignorant to what he tells us:
    “Beware of false prophets. They come to you disguised as sheep, but in their hearts they are vicious wolves. 16 You will know them by what they produce.
    “People don’t pick grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles, do they? 17 In the same way every good tree produces good fruit, but a rotten tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a rotten tree cannot produce good fruit. 19 Any tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into a fire. 20 So you will know them by what they produce.”  Matt 7:15-20
    No wonder the WT to this day, teaches that God’s anointed men and women will become clones –  women transformed into men with white beards, when reigning in the Kingdom of God. 
    Do you really believe this, JWs? 
    Jesus continues in the same chapter of Matthew: 
    “Therefore, everyone who hears what I say and obeys it will be like a wise person who built a house on rock. 25 Rain poured, and floods came. Winds blew and beat against that house. But it did not collapse, because its foundation was on rock.
    26 “Everyone who hears what I say but doesn’t obey it (who doesn’t take Jesus’s admonition of what a “good tree” produces) will be like a foolish person who built a house on sand. 27 Rain poured, and floods came. Winds blew and struck that house. It collapsed, and the result was a total disaster.”  Matt 7:24-27
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to 4Jah2me in Census   
    Quote C. C. " The only confusion I see comes from those that can't separate themselves by combining church and state. A worldly view to be sure. "
    That's so funny. The confusion I can see is in the GB / CCJW / JWs that cannot separate God and Christ from the CCJW / Watchtower.  Confused JWs think that their GB is the gateway to God. Whereas Jesus said "No one comes to the Father except through me".  Confused JWs have replaced Jesus with the GB. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to 4Jah2me in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    @Anna  Sorry but i have to pick you up on this point >
    Quote "It must be stressed though that NOW it is clearly in writing that sins are handled by the congregation,..."
    Nothing is handled by the Congregation.  It is all handled by the Elders and Circuit Overseers etc. The congregation are told nothing. Unlike in scripture when it says 'take it to the congregation. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Census   
    Having in mind so many "doctrinal errors" produced in the WTJWorg "kitchen", this statement is not so shine to be proud about it and about parallel/similar spiritual voyage you and them have in Bible understanding.  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in The WEST's war of words against CHINA. Starting with the Uyghurs.   
    I hope so! The ability to edit is also gone (for me anyway). I need that, since after reading over what I have already posted I always find some nonsense that I have written that needs changing! (including grammar)
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Personally, I did not have a dilemma, I was just showing how there could be a dilemma because  the text is not clear. Of course, as you suggest, you would interpret this as meaning go to the elders. That is how I see it too. But, this could not be proved in court either way (that is what the courts found so frustrating) because the wording is so ambiguous and it could be argued that it means go to secular authorities. Unless you know the "culture" of Jehovah's Witnesses, then you understand it means go to the elders.

    It must be stressed though that NOW it is clearly in writing that sins are handled by the congregation, and crimes are to be handled by secular authorities: 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Anna in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    :))) is this "sexism" ?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to 4Jah2me in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Thinking seems not to be thinking. And if they are sooooo very upset and disgusted then why are they even commenting or reading it ?
    None of us have judged James and I don't think any of us will.  But in some ways things have been put into perspective here. ......................
    @Anna  I think the ARC case you quoted must be where I got that information from, Thank you.
    However he did say, at first, that he would not report murder. 
    " THE CHAIR:   Q.   If a different crime, to take the most  extreme, murder.  If you were told that a member of the congregation had killed someone else, would you report that  to the police? 
     A.   We would encourage the person to do that. 
     Q.   Would you do it yourself? 
     A.   No.  I would try very hard not to - not that I would  try very hard not to, but I would encourage the person continually to do that.  That's a decision they need to make. "
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    It is my opinion that when a person is put on the spot like that, then what they first say is the truth from their standpoint. In my opinion, he meant, he would not report it. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from 4Jah2me in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    The text from the magazine is written in a way that shows some ideas. Who should do what and why? It seeks to show the separation of "church from state", "spiritual from secular". And in this way, vague and unclear, the possibility is left for the organization, through other instructions, both public and only for the eyes of elders, to make rules and solutions in accordance with the circumstances and current framework of an event and time and internal policy. And in some situations to invoke the “rights” enjoyed by members of the clergy, the “sworn enemy” of God and Truth and God’s earthly organization i.e. WTJWorg.
    From the parts of the text of the WT magazine you put, a difference is expressed in which it is clear that WTJWorg has what it claims it does not have. The existence of a class of clergy and laity. The text states that: "When elders learn about serious wrongdoing, they approach the individual ....  On contrary: But what if you are not an elder and you come to know about some serious wrongdoing ...The Law stated that if a person was a witness to apostate acts, sedition, murder, or certain other serious crimes, it was his responsibility to report it and to testify to what he knew.
    Anna, I found answer on your dilemma. Text itself speaking about this context: Elders, not an elder, another Christian and then made comparison with guidance from  Old Israel Law.  Message is clear to whom JW member need to give report. It is also clear from other JW church teachings, and members in this way or another "know" answer, that they need to report matter to elders. Text said "Law" referring to Bible law. Next words are "serious wrongdoing" and especially "apostate act"  and "sedition". From this is very clear that State have nothing with doctrinal things and opposition inside religious organization. 
    But writer of text mixing this part of "serious wrongdoing" with other serious things: murder, or certain other serious crimes,. This other things JW member is obligate to report also. To whom? To elders. Well, this WT text show complete "separation" from secular state and show how elders  have to deal not only with "sins" but also with "crimes" too. Text named that with wording "serious wrongdoings" and in numbering few of serious wrongdoings they put "murder" in it and "other serious crimes". This showing tendency that WTJWorg want to have complete power over JW people (and all other people in the future) to judge them not only for "spiritual transgressions",  but for all sort of acts that are known from human history. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Anna in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Yes, i understand. If elders make decision about, that sin is forgivable, than congregation follow direction.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from 4Jah2me in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Yes, i understand. If elders make decision about, that sin is forgivable, than congregation follow direction.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I think it would be dependent on surrounding circumstances and handled on a case by case basis, as no situations are alike...I think, it may even be possible to visit the person in prison to establish some facts...
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I can't think of any real life situations that I am personally familiar with. But from gathering information from various sources it seems that there is a clear separation of sin and crime.  A sin can be forgiven by the congregation, but the person still obviously has to be punished by secular authorities for the crime. I do know of an example, nothing to do with CSA but theft and fraud. My friend studied with the  man, and the man became JW. His sins were forgiven, because he repented and stopped doing those things. However, he still had to go to the police and give himself up to serve a prison sentence. So it might work similarly with someone convicted of CSA. If they admit to it, but are remorseful and repentant, they may be forgiven by the congregation, but will still have to pay for their crime. However, if they denied everything in front of the elders, but the authorities found evidence to convict him of his crimes, then I think that would serve as a reason to disfellowship. 
    So its on the basis whether the convicted person was honest with the elders and has shown true remorse and signs of repentance, or if he denied and lied. 
  25. Haha
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The WEST's war of words against CHINA. Starting with the Uyghurs.   
    Yeah, how blessed people must be with their leaders, capitalist or communist :))
    The Trump administration proposed rule changes that would allow shower heads to boost water pressure, after Trump repeatedly complained that bathroom fixtures do not work to his liking.
    The Department of Energy plan followed comments from Trump last month at a White House event on rolling back regulations. He said he believed water does not come out fast enough from fixtures.
    “So what do you do? You just stand there longer or you take a shower longer? Because my hair – I don’t know about you, but it has to be perfect. Perfect,” he said.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/12/us-shower-pressure-trump-hair-water
     
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