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  1. Paul; an apostle, prophet, leader, teacher, healer, and comforter. (1 Cor 12:27-31) You’d think being a tentmaker would have gone to his head. He called himself a “bondservant of the Lord” (Gal 1:10; Rom 1:1; Phil 1:1…) which, by the way, is similar to Strong’s definition for “menservants” in Acts 2:18 slave, bondman, metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men “handmaidens” in Strong’s: a female slave, involuntarily or voluntarily. Bondmaid. One who worships God and submits to him. Mary called herself “the maidservant of the Lord”. Luke 1:38 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed. Luke 1:48 Acts 2:18 - And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. These “servants” belonged to Christ; both men and women, as bondservants of the Lord. You were bought with a price. Don’t become bondservants of men. 1 Cor 7:23 WEB Though the Lord is on high, Yet He regards the lowly; But the proud He knows from afar. Ps 138:6 God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. James 4:6
  2. I wasn’t going to do this… Hmmm, I remember reading it like this. And "man" wasn't capitalized. (I'm really getting a good picture of how you perceive women) “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” 1 Cor 11:3 Do you know that the Greek meaning for “man” ( anēr) can be “used generically of a group of both men and women”? What if it was meaning this: “But I want you to know that the head of every group of both men and women is Christ…” Would scripture support this? Gal 3:28; 2 Cor 11:2; 1 Cor 12:23,26
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    Does any male religious leader have higher authority over a woman than the man she is married to? Line ten “christian” men up in front of a woman; one of them being her husband. Who should she listen to? Which male “head” should she choose? Obviously, she would most likely listen to her fleshly husband. BUT, if that wife decides she must leave the so-called “christian” religion she is in, realizing it preaches “another Jesus”, should the husband stop her from doing so, since he does not share that opinion? Since she realizes the difference between a truth and a lie, and is unable to spiritually “live” the lie any longer, should she do what her heart tells her and turn to Christ for guidance? Of course! She doesn’t need permission from her fleshly husband to heed Christ’s words of Matt 11:28. Since she has chosen to listen to Christ, he is her only spiritual Head. Her fleshly husband has no authority over her spiritual well-being. No religious leader has authority over her decision to serve Christ the way she feels is proper. That is between Christ and herself, although she can certainly share what she learns, since marriage mates are “partners” and would work out their religious differences, giving respect to each other’s spiritual needs, as well as fleshly needs. So, the Head of the anointed “church”, is ONLY Christ. True spiritual “leaders” who are members of the Body, would be chosen by Christ, not men. If it happens to be a woman, who’s going to argue it? Her husband? 😊 The true spiritual guidance given by a man to a woman is much different than practicing unrelenting authority over her, such as Watchtower’s “shepherds”, who have been the given ability to judge anyone as unfit for God’s Kingdom, if that person rejects this falsely given authority. The fleshly wife is to be a “helper” to her husband, just as the Bride of Christ will be Christ’s helper, recognizing he is still their Master. 2 Tim 2:20,21 God’s word tells us, “Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” Rom 6:16 We cannot serve two Masters. Our fleshly marriage must be in balance with our commitment to Christ. We spiritually serve only God and Christ. If we, male or female, put obeying men above Jesus, we will succumb to devoting our time, energy and resources to men (and what they desire to build), instead of Christ. Matt 6:24 Col 1:18 - And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Anointed women are part of the body of Christ, the church. They are not sitting on the bench or in some other zone you have created mentally, but are equal in all respects, to men. Mary Acts 1:12-14 - Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city. 13 When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. Acts 2:1-4 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Do you think there was chance they were prophesying? I do. Please, don’t limit the ability of God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the gift of Holy Spirit. Now, I am done.
  3. My thoughts on this matter concur with the article, and I cannot see pursuing the point with you any further, SP. I will, though, touch on Mary. When keeping in mind this scripture first proclaimed by Joel… “And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.” Acts 2:17,18 ...read Mary’s prayer: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. 48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed. 49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy is His name. 50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him From generation to generation. 51 He has shown strength with His arm; He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones, And exalted the lowly. 53 He has filled the hungry with good things, And the rich He has sent away empty. 54 He has helped His servant Israel, In remembrance of His mercy, 55 As He spoke to our fathers, To Abraham and to his seed forever.” Luke 1:46-55 Can you not see that she spoke these words as the result of the pouring out of Holy Spirit upon her? It is the same with Zacharias: Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying: 68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people, 69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us In the house of His servant David, 70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets, Who have been since the world began, 71 That we should be saved from our enemies And from the hand of all who hate us, 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers And to remember His holy covenant, 73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham: 74 To grant us that we, Being delivered from the hand of our enemies, Might serve Him without fear, 75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life. 76 “And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest; For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways, 77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people By the remission of their sins, 78 Through the tender mercy of our God, With which the Dayspring from on high has visited us; 79 To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death, To guide our feet into the way of peace.” Luke 1:67-79 Oh, one other thing. Eph 5:23 - “For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.” "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." KJV This is a comparison of “heads”. Christ is head of the church. The church is the anointed Body. (Matt 16:18) “And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.” Col 1:18 He is the only Head of all within the Body, that is comprised of both male and female. He is the spiritual “husband” of the Body/Bride. The comparison of this husband/bride arrangement is made to a physical marriage of a man and a woman. “For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.” 2 Cor 11:2 This doesn’t give room for any man to acts as go between for Christ concerning anointed woman. Concerning ALL women. Though, you believe so, just as the governing body believes so. Yet, they also believe they are head over every anointed one, male or female, since they must fully obey the wicked slave, and their own “body” of elders that they “govern” over, built outside of God’s intentions. Matt 24:48-51 We have only one saviour, Christ. We are only to be Christ's servant, not man's. For anyone to stand between Christ and another, and expect obedience to their "decrees", they take on the role of saviour, and the role of judge. The governing body has successfully accomplished this. "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand." Rom 14:4
  4. Revelation speaks of "Jezebel" in a symbolic way. No discretion is made that this Jezebel-like individual would be a woman. In fact, this individual could very well likely be a man, or a collection of men. Revelation's Jezebel obviously teaches/rules over others through seduction. Rev. 2:20 "She" rules over the anointed house of God. "She" is a false prophet/Harlot Rev 13:11 And one of Babylon the Great's many "daughters". Rev 17:5 How many false prophets are there that you know of, who are men? I know of 8 who reside over the Watchtower, who have left their covenant with Christ, no longer "virgins", having defiled their "garments" by teaching lies. 2 Cor 11:2-4 They have seduced all of God's anointed ones (men or women) to "put up with" another gospel; disregarding their obligation to listen only to Christ. Men and women, who are to be found at Christ's return, "virgins". Just another example showing that there is no discretion in God's eyes as to whom, in the anointed Body of Christ, can teach. It is not based on one's sex.
  5. I must ask, did you read the article written by Pearl? You offer no scriptures as a rebuttal, while the article is chocked full of them supporting the role of women as teachers and prophets. Just look at the example of prophets. “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.” Eph 2:20-22 “Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.” 1 Cor 12:27-31 There is no demarcation between male or female in these scriptures. It is in the minds of men. “Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged.” 1 Cor 14:29-31 So you see, women who were prophets were to instruct others, which included men. Thus, prophets could be teachers as well. And as far as teachers go, does it say they must be male? Are you speaking for God when you say women cannot teach? How do you know women who are anointed are not given the admonition by Holy Spirit to teach, especially when we have record of women prophets who also instructed others in the congregations? “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Gal 3:28 Prophets that we know of in the New Testament: Anna Mary Philip’s daughters Over the ages since Christ, we can guarantee there were more: Acts 2:17,18 - ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.’
  6. Pearl Doxsey - (1 Corinthians 14:34)... "let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak, but let them be in subjection, even as the Law says" Paul had been a teacher of this "Law" that he was referring to (Acts23:6). This was the Jewish Law, which viewed woman as lower class, untouchable, and as unclean. Christ abolished this practice (Rom.4:14; Eph.2:15,16; Matt.9:20,21,22), as we will see. At Gal.2:21; 3:1-2 Paul stated... I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the law based in the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?" (see also Col.2:14,20; Eph.2:15) Take note of how he introduces Phoebe: Rom.16:1,2: "I recommend to YOU Phoe′be our sister, who is a minister of the congregation that is in Cen′chre‧ae, 2 that YOU may welcome her in [the] Lord in a way worthy of the holy ones, and that YOU may assist her in any matter where she may need YOU, for she herself also proved to be a defender of many, yes, of me myself". And what Paul said here... 1 Cor. 11:4 "Every man that prays or prophesies having something on his head shames his head; 5 but every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head"...clearly reveals his realization that women can prophesy. This is confirmed, at Acts 21:8-9. Why the change in Paul's teaching about women? Regarding whether the new Christian congregation continued to practice the Law, this gradually faded and those who continued to observe it, were corrected. Heb.8:7,6,13 states: (7) "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah (6) But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. (13) By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." So the time came for the Law to "disappear", which was at Pentecost (please noteActs1:4-5; 1:8-9; 2:1-4,14-18), when both men and women received the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant, and they were enabled to prophesy, speak, and teach. The Law, was then finished. Even while the Jewish Nation was still under Law, note some accounts of women who were prophets: (Luke 2:36,37,38) Now there was Anna a prophetess, Phan′u‧el’s daughter, of Ash′er’s tribe (this woman was well along in years, and had lived with a husband for seven years from her virginity, 37 and she was a widow now eighty-four years old), who was never missing from the temple, rendering sacred service night and day with fastings and supplications. 38 And in that very hour she came near and began returning thanks to God and speaking about [the child] to all those waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance". Judges 4:4: "Now Deb′o‧rah, a prophetess, the wife of Lap′pi‧doth, was judging Israel at that particular time.... and the sons of Israel would go up to her for judgment". 2Kings 22:14-20: "Accordingly Hil‧ki′ah the priest and A‧hi′kam and Ach′bor and Sha′phan and A‧sai′ahwent to Hul′dah the prophetess the wife of Shal′lum the son of Tik′vah the son of Har′has, the caretaker of the garments, as she was dwelling in Jerusalem in the second quarter; and they proceeded to speak to her. 15 In turn she said to them: “This is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said, ‘Say to the man that has sent YOU men to me: 16 “This is what Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am bringing calamity upon this place and upon its inhabitants, even all the words of the book that the king of Judah has read; 17 due to the fact that they have left me and have gone making sacrificial smoke to other gods in order to offend me with all the work of their hands, and my rage has been set afire against this place and will not be extinguished.’”’ 18 And as to the king of Judah who is sending YOU to inquire of Jehovah, this is what YOU should say to him, ‘This is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said: “As regards the words that you have heard, 19 for the reason that your heart was soft so that you humbled yourself because of Jehovah at your hearing what I have spoken against this place and its inhabitants [for it] to become an object of astonishment and a malediction, and then you ripped your garments apart and began weeping before me, I, even I, have heard,” is the utterance of Jehovah. 20 “That is why here I am gathering you to your forefathers, and you will certainly be gathered to your own graveyard in peace, and your eyes will not look upon all the calamity that I am bringing upon this place.”’” And they proceeded to bring the king the reply.". 2Chron.34:22 "Accordingly Hil‧ki′ah along with those whom the king [had said] went to Hul′dah the prophetess, the wife of Shal′lum the son of Tik′vah the son of Har′has the caretaker of the garments, as she was dwelling in Jerusalem in the second quarter; and they proceeded to speak to her like this. 23 In turn she said to them:...". Side point: Interestingly, the name Huldah (meaning mole-rat), and deborah (meaning bee) are both creatures who belong to social structures called, eusociality. According to Wikipedia: Eusociality (Greek eu: "good/real" + "social") is a term used for the highest level of social organization in a hierarchical classification. Examples "The most familiar examples are social insects such as ants, bees, and wasps (order Hymenoptera), as well as termites (order Isoptera), all with reproductive queens and more or less sterile workers and/or soldiers. The only mammalian examples are the naked mole rat and the Damaraland mole rat.[2] Eusociality with biologically sterile individuals represents the most extreme form of kin selection. The analysis of eusociality played a key role in the development of theories in sociobiology. The phenomenon of reproductive specialization is found in various organisms. It generally involves the production of sterile members of the species, which carry out specialized tasks, effectively caring for the reproductive members. It can manifest in the appearance of individuals within a group whose behavior (and sometimes anatomy) is modified for group defense, including self-sacrificing ("altruism")." I find it interesting that the names of both prophetesses are derived from eusocial creatures, that have a queen at the pinnacle of its complex social structure. Let us move forward in time to the example of Christ. Jesus corrected and defied this practice of spurning women, even doing so with a Samaritan woman. He both spoke to her and touched her, which broke that Law twice. He asked her questions and listened to her answers, also breaking this Law (John 4:7-27). He had women as friends (John 11:5,20), including a former Harlot (Luke 7:36-50). He anointed women, and is still doing so today (1Pet.3:7;Acts 1:14;2:1,2,3,4,18,33). Anointed women are to be among the "two witnesses"; ...anointed that he will "cause" to "prophesy" (Rev.11:3,4,5) during the last days (Acts 2:17; Rev.1:10). We read at Rev.6:9-11, that both men and women... ["brothers and sisters" - Greek word for brothers and sisters (adelphoi) refers here to believers, both men and women, as part of God’s family; also in Rev.12:10; 19:10.] ..."killed" for giving their testimony. Women cannot testify, if they are silent. Is there other scriptural proof that women can be true prophets? See Acts 21:8-10 and Acts 2:18... (Acts 21:9) This man had four daughters, virgins, that prophesied" (Philip) (Acts 2:18) and even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. The "Watchtower" society interprets 1Cor.14:34 as meaning that a sister cannot get up in front of the Congregation and teach the men in the audience, including perhaps her husband. Yet, women were evangelizers and prophets. So they did teach. Let us consider another scripture which is used to silence women, and remove them from the religious justice system. (1 Timothy 2:11,12)... "Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I (not God) do not permit a woman to teach, or to *exercise authority over a man*, but to be in silence." Paul made a distinction between his own opinion, and one derived from God's Holy Spirit (1Cor.7:40,6,25). When Paul stated; "Let a woman *learn in silence* with full submissiveness"... I am inclined to believe that Paul was referring to the Bible's meaning of "woman" covenants, and those taken into them (Gal.4:24,26)...that these are to be silent before the Christ who teaches them (Matt.10:27;Eph.5:23,24; Col.1:18; 1Cor.12:27) This is the meaning of the context of 1Tim.2:12(1Tim.2:13,14,15; Gal.4:19; Rev.12:2; Eph.5:23,24,32) Being "kept safe through childbearing" (1Tim.2:15) is not a reference to literal women in a physical sense, but was a symbolic, spiritual reference (Gal.4:19; Rev.12:1-2; John16:21-22). Also the submissive virginal "wife" of which Paul speaks as having this spiritual protection, is not physical, but spiritual (2Cor.11:2; Matt.25:1; Rev.21:9). How might this lack of submissiveness among symbolic "women" (Rev.17:1), be evidenced? Many anointed ones/Chosen saints, and other ecclesiastical leaders fail in their submission to Christ (John15:4-5,8), by "speaking up" and teaching things that Christ has not given them (Matt.24:45-48;24:49-51; Rev.14:8; Deut.32:33). These usurp the headship and actual teachings of Christ, in favor of their own contrived tenets (Matt.15:9; Col.2:22; Mark7:13). Paul was the watchdog of the first century, over this very "wife" (2Cor.11:2-3; 11:13). This is why he did not permit such impropriety among the "Bride"/"woman" members (Rev.21:2,9; 19:7; 22:17). So, a prophetess (who is not learning from a man, but learning from God) learns in silence. This carries with it the thought that while she is learning, she should not contribute her own thoughts (John16:13). This should apply to male prophets as well, who are also members of this "woman". While silent during learning; .....after she has learned, she can not be silent!.....(we will learn why, below.) "I do not permit a woman to teach"... Notice, Paul does not say, "God does not permit", he says. "I do not permit". "or to *exercise authority over a man*"... But, she can convey God's message without exercising authority over a man! By a woman writing what God's Word and spirit incites, men can choose to read and heed, or not (Eze.2:5,7). What a true prophet offers is not based on *authority over men*, but they give what God directs by spirit. About 350 times, Bible writers wrote the words, "Hear the word of Jehovah". Yet, this message from God, came through the mouths of his prophets and prophetesses. Neither I, other women, nor even men, have any authority to teach. While a man, even Jesus did not take this authority. (John 7:16). Only YHWH and the glorified Christ have such authority (Rev.5:4,5). They "exercise authority over" all men (Matt.28:18). What they give, we all must teach (1Cor.9:16; Jer.20:9; Matt10:27). One who prophesies (male or female), must preach God's message to all (Acts5:28-29). This can be done in a respectful way that does not neglect the respect men are due (1 Peter 3:15). Men can voluntarily read what a prophetess may write. Remember, a true prophet does not teach from themselves...they only pass on what they are given by God. . Like Christ, they do not speak of their own originality. They speak what God commands and gives. They are only a vessel (Acts9:15; Rom.9:21;1Thess.4:4; 2Tim.2:21). Therefore, it is not them teaching, but God (Matt.10:20). Should we then take all that any "prophet" says, as from God? No. Any man or woman making that claim, we must scrutinize! Jesus said this scrutiny is vital. He also told us how to do this (Matt.7:15-27; Gal.5:22,23,24,25). Also, any interpretations of prophecy, must be done completely by means of God's Word (Gen.40:8; Rev.22:18,19). Would anointed women have a role in this job of prophesying??? If you look at Gal. 3:28... (Galatians 3:26,27,28) YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus". We see here that once a woman is a son of God (anointed), baptized into Christ by spirit, she no longer is considered separate from the men (or a lower female) in comparison to her other brothers in Christ. All become "sons" and "brothers" in union with Christ. This pouring out of spirit upon both men and women under the New Covenant, began at Pentecost, as discussed at the outset of this article. Romans 12:4,5,6 reads: "For just as we have in one body many members, but the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but members belonging individually to one another. 6 Since, then, we have gifts differing according to the undeserved kindness given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the faith proportioned [to us]". Christ's body is made of both male and female. Each uses whatever gift they are given by spirit. 1Cor. 10:17: "Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body, for we are all partaking of that one loaf." Should a female prophet fail to declare what she has received from God and Christ because of fear of man (as being over her), she would be submitting herself to men rather than to God (Acts5:29; Rom.3:4). No prophecy from God should be silenced to honor men. God is obeyed and honored, foremost (John5:44; Rev.4:11). Remember what YHWH says: (Acts 2:18) and even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy". We must prophesy, whether we are female prophets, or male prophets. We cannot prophesy if we are "silent". - - - - - - - (Acts 21:9) This man had four daughters, virgins, that prophesied" (Philip) (Acts 2:18) and even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. (Galatians 3:26,27,28) YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus". ----------------PART TWO-------------------- " A QUESTION: Jehovah Witness Religion-What is the role of women? Question: "Can a women lead the congregation in a Kingdom Hall and can she reside over a funeral?" ANSWER: Hello Jane, Your question is a bit difficult because it is really asking three things; and the answer to each is different. In the "Subject", you ask what the role of women is in the "Jehovah's Witness" religion. Yet your question asks if a woman can lead the Congregation in a Kingdom Hall; and then, if a woman can preside over a funeral. I will do my best to give you a thorough answer to all three. In regards to the religious doctrine of "Jehovah's Witnesses", all baptized women are considered to be in subjection to all baptized men. This means that they can not take the lead in anything within the religion, or within the Kingdom Hall. The only exception is what is called "taking the lead out in service". According to doctrine, a woman may, if no male is available, cover her head (to show subjection to the males who are not present), and then proceed to make field service arrangements and offer a closing prayer for that gathering. ("Field service arrangements", determine who rides in what car with who, and what territory will be covered.) Other than that, women do not give "talks" in Kingdom Halls, unless they sit down at a table and put the information in "demonstration" format...a dramatization...a pretend scenario. In this way, it can be construed that she is not really "teaching" the men in her audience. Of course to anyone who has thinking ability, this is hypocrisy. I hope this addresses your first question. As regards the covering of the woman's head to show subjection..."Jehovah's Witnesses" claim that all women are under subjection to all baptized men, and they must display this subjection in order to give the angels in heaven a good example. They base this doctrine upon 1Cor11:1-16: 1"Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. 6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God. 13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her[a] for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God. I hope that you will let this scripture, upon which "Jehovah's Witnesses" rest this doctrine, to teach you what God's Word actually says in comparison to this doctrine. Take note of verse 5... "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved." There it says that if a woman prays or prophesies uncovered, she dishonors "HER HEAD". This is saying that she need not show subjection to ALL men, but only her personal head, which is her own husband. This is confirmed at Eph.5:22,23,24: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." Therefore, the "head" of each woman, is not ALL baptized men in general, but only her own husband (baptized or not), should she be married. What about an anointed woman or female anointed prophet? Who is her head? Anointed (male or female) have one head...Christ. (Eph.1:22; 5:23; Col.1:18; 2:19) Anointed are told to put their marriage behind their calling (1Cor.7:29). Note too, that the praying and prophesying a woman may do in verse 5, is public. This CONTRADICTS the doctrine, which prohibits women from saying public prayers or public teaching in Kingdom Halls. (This doctrine is hypocritically violated when women preach door-to-door.) It seems uncovered women are permitted to take the lead teaching publicly when outside the Kingdom Halls (even in the presence of baptized men), but not inside Kingdom Halls. The Bible does not make this distinction of inside or outside buildings. Verse 15&16 go well together.... This "Witness" doctrine ignores verse 15, which indicates that this "head covering" is the natural hair a woman possesses upon her head. Verse 16 shows that this subject should not raise "contention". Paul makes clear that if anyone has a problem with this show of subjection as already cared for by nature itself, that the true churches of God have no such custom of requiring more. This he says to counteract the excessive demands of the Jewish law...which DID require a woman to cover her head in excess of her hair. We see that "Jehovah's Witnesses" are doing no better than the Jews, in going beyond what is written (Acts15:28,29; 1Cor.4:6; Matt.23:4; Isa.28:10). Finally, verse 10 reads: "For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels." The "Witnesses" assume that this is speaking of the angelic spirits in heaven. They assume that these angels are lower than mortal women, in that women set a teaching example to these mighty Sons of God. According to the Bible, the PERFECT MAN Christ, was made a little LOWER than the heavenly angels (Psalm8:5; Heb.2:7; Phil.2:7). Now from a perfect man...we must take a BIG step down a notch to go to IMPERFECT SINFUL MAN....and then step down another notch from man to woman. We are told of perfect EVE, that unlike Adam, she was thoroughly deceived (1Tim.2:14). Are we to reason that imperfect women today are really a teaching example to the mighty perfect Sons of God in Heaven??? Let's see what this verse really means. 1Cor.11:10: "For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels." The symbolism Paul refers to, can be found if we return once again to Eph.5:22,23,24; only this time lets look at what a woman's subjection to her own husband is compared to... Verse 23&24 read: 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." Did you notice the comparison to Christ and the "Congregation"? How does the subjection of the anointed "Congregation" (Christ's own wife/body) compare to "angels"? (1Cor.12:27,28; 1Cor.3:16) It is a fact, according to the Bible, that the "New Creation" of anointed (Christ's wife), are called "angels". In order for these "angels" ("Greek" for "messenger")...to prove faithful and be sealed, they must remain in union and subjection to the "head" Christ, as his body. (Matt.22:30; Heb.1:6,7; 1John2:28; 1Cor.6:15; Rev.1:20; 2:8,12, etc.) It is in regards to THESE angels, that Paul makes reference to women showing subjection. A woman's subjection to her OWN HUSBAND, is a visible example to the anointed body of Christ. But when you ask, "Can" a woman "reside" over a funeral...I'm not sure if you are asking about the doctrine of Jehovah's witnesses, or the truth of the Bible. According to "Witness" doctrine, No...once again, due to the imaginary presence of baptized males. If you would like to read about the role of women in the Bible, please consider “Should Women Teach?” on my blog. You may learn there, that the Bible expects especially "anointed" women, to work as hard as men in their public teaching. For, in the "body" of Christ, there is "neither male nor female" (Gal.3:28). In that article, you will find the many scriptures that indicate that men and women are equal in God's sight; both in glory and in divine expectations. This truth helps to answer your question about "residing over a funeral". My relatives are not Christians. Yet, at the death of a relative, I was asked to give a talk in light of my known familiarity with the Bible. I was able to use the occasion to give a fine witness to many people. Imagine God's disapproval if I had declined that opportunity, in favor of an unscriptural constraint through the doctrines of men! (Mark7:13;2Tim.4:2) (more on 4womaninthewilderness Pearl Doxsey)
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    Christ's Kings

    When King David address the leaders of Jerusalem about his son, Solomon building a temple for the Lord, he offered up this prayer: “Blessed are You, Lord God of Israel, our Father, forever and ever. Yours, O Lord, is the greatness, The power and the glory, The victory and the majesty; For all that is in heaven and in earth is Yours; Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, And You are exalted as head over all. Both riches and honor come from You, And You reign over all. In Your hand is power and might; In Your hand it is to make great And to give strength to all. 1 Chron 29:10b,11,12 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been GIVEN to me in heaven and on earth. Matt 28:18 “For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ, and you have been filled by him, who is the head over every ruler and authority. Col 2:9,10 "And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the CHURCH WHICH IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him who fills all in all." Eph 1:22,23 Christ is “King of kings and Lord of Lords”, the one true Head of his kingly priesthood - the Body of Christ and the Temple of God. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 19:15,16 Revelation is a message to them, recorded by the apostle John. It is a message now unfurled for Christ’s remaining servants on earth, to understand its words, and to take them to heart. Rev 1:1-3
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    Jesus calls his servants, “kings of the earth”. Rev 1:4,5; 5:10; 21:24
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    It should be quite clear that these kings in Revelation do not refer to kings and their kingdoms of the world, since the book of Revelation begins by addressing those servants under Christ, showing them what THEY will face before God’s Kingdom arrives. Yet, the Watchtower will define them when convenient, as the world’s political rulers… 1. Next, God will turn his attention to the political rulers themselves—“the kings of the entire inhabited earth.” Along with wicked people in general, these will be destroyed in “the war of the great day of God the Almighty,” also called “Armageddon.”—Revelation 16:14, 16. Awake! 11/15 pp. 14,15 2. God’s Kingdom “will crush” all human rulerships, including the seventh world power. Why? All these will refuse to relinquish power and will face off against God in a final great war at a figurative place called Har–Magedon, or Armageddon. The Bible makes clear that this war involves “the kings of the entire inhabited earth.”—Revelation 16:13, 14, 16. Awake! 5/11 pp. 15-18 First off, notice what is missing in the scriptures Watchtower quotes. The missing scripture can help us understand what kings Jesus is really speaking about. In both quotes above, Watchtower has left out Rev 16:15. Rev 16:13-16: “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the BEAST, and out of the mouth of the FALSE PROPHET 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the KINGS OF THE EARTH AND OF THE WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 “BEHOLD, I AM COMING AS A THIEF. BLESSED IS HE WHO WATCHES, AND KEEPS HIS GARMENTS, LEST HE WALK NAKED AND THEY SEE HIS SHAME.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon." Would Jesus be addressing all the political human rulers, telling them to keep their “garments” – their identities, as HIS kings? Rev 19:8
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    Notice the accounts in Revelation where Jesus speaks similarly to his “church”/congregations, the Body of Christ. Please see, Rev 3:1-6,11,14, 18-21
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    You should be able to discern the commonality of the messages given to Christ’s servants, (Rev 1:11; 1 Cor 14:33) asking them not only to be on the watch, but to hold on (to their “garment”), and repent.
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    The Greek word-for-word breakdown of Rev 16:14 merits looking at. Scriptures4all translates : THEY-ARE for spirits OF demons DOING SIGNS WHICH-IS-OUT-GOING (“is-going-out”) ON THE KINGS of-the land (earth) and of-the beING-HOMED WHOLE TO-BE-TOGETHER-LEADING (“to be mobilizing”) them INTO THE BATTLE OF-THE DAY that THE GREAT OF-THE GOD THE ALL-HOLDer (“Almighty”) The Greek word for “being-homed”, “oikoumenē”, is another key to realizing whether the kings mentioned by the Watchtower are political rulers, or those chosen by God. The same phrase, “all the inhabited earth” is found is Matt 24:14, to whom the good news of the kingdom must be preached. (Matt 10:23)
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    I will quote PEARL DOXSEY from her article, “THE GOOD NEWS”: "All the inhabited earth"... [literal Greek "being homed" (John14:23; Rom.8:9; Ps.27:4; 1Cor.3:16; 6:19; Ps.23:6; 26:8; Eph.2:19). Some translate as Matt.24:14 as "world" ("cosmos" in Greek) which is not the Greek word used there)] The "inhabited home" refers to those who are unsealed, but are God's chosen people. Please read Jer.25:29,30. When God is referring to His whole People, He refers to them as His "filled home"/ translated, "all the inhabited earth". When He performs His will against this group, it is always His people...not Satan's entire "world" which are totally under Satan's control (1John5:19). When Jer.25:29,30 was fulfilled, it was fulfilled only with the Jews...not with the whole world.”
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    To be found written in the Book of Life, what do Christ’s kings who are told to hold on to their “garments” at the time of Armageddon, need to overcome? As Revelation 16:13,14 says, it is demonic expressions uttered from the mouth of the false prophet, and the Beast where they are NOW “gathered” together. It is also Satan himself. Rev 13:1,4,6,7; 13:1,11;12:10,11 The false prophet/ Beast from the earth, and the Beast from the Sea, work under the resource of deceit, Satan the devil. Please, ask yourself, JWs, why else would the Watchtower leave out Rev 16:15, if not to direct your attention AWAY from the true identities in Rev 16, and where the anointed “kings” reside?
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    Revelation’s unfolding message to Christ’s kings exposes the identity of the Wild Beast and False Prophet. In fact, Armageddon is a battle between these kings, who either represent Christ’s truth, coming under him as their Head; or, as is the case with Watchtower’s leaders, they rebel and have rejected HIS authority, to build and uphold their own false authority over the remnant of these priests/kings found in the Watchtower organization. Among the anointed priests who choose to listen to and confidently obey a false united headship instead of Christ, they will be found “naked” upon Christ’s return. Rev 3:17,18; Rom 8:35; 2 Cor 5:3
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    Watchtower 15/3/15 - “When we LOYALLY OBEY THE ELDERS and other brothers appointed by “the faithful and discreet slave,” we show that we want to help Christ’s brothers." Should God’s chosen anointed “holy ones” of spiritual “Israel”, hand selected as ministers in the capacity of leaders, teachers, comforters, helpers; built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ as the chief cornerstone, obey anyone, other than their rightful Head, Jesus Christ? Rom 12:3-8; Rev 7:4; Eph 2:19-22; Rev 2:20
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    There is another instance in scripture where the word “thief” relates to the day of the Lord: “Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord WILL COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.” 1 Thess 5:1-4 (SEE “LABOR PAINS” – 4womaninthewilderness) Jesus stressed to his servant priests to be on the WATCH in Revelation 16:15; 3:3; yet, under the Wild Beast/organization and False Prophet/governing body, his servants believe they are inhabiting a spiritual, peaceful, safe paradise. They no longer feel the need to watch, believing the “day of the Lord” arrived in 1914. Watchtower 1988/10/5 pp. 10-15 – “This day began in 1914 when Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom. And it will continue right through to the end of the Thousand Year Reign, when Christ will ‘hand over the kingdom to his God and Father.’ (1 Corinthians 15:24) Faithful Christians have looked forward to the Lord’s day for many centuries. Now, it is finally here!” Hold on a minute. The day of the Lord, does not come until a rebellion occurs and the “man of lawlessness” is revealed. 2 Thess 2:1-4
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    “who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thess 2:4 What is the underlying motive of Satan, who inspires a false prophet/Beast of the Earth, and who appears to be faithful to Christ? Rev 13:11 It is to bring the power of the holy ones – God’s Temple priesthood…down to nothing… by utilizing the army/organization it directs. Matt 24:48-51; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:19-22; Dan 12:7; Rev 12:1-4; Rev 13:12
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    This elimination of power did not happen in 1918 as the Watchtower has taught, since it correlates with the existence of the “man of lawlessness”/abomination of desolation found sitting in the Temple/holy priesthood of God. Dan 8:11-13; 12:11 Watchtower twists its identity by referring to the clergy class of Christendom throughout history; calling them “proud, ambitious clergymen” who have “crowned and dethroned kings and emperors”, “dictating to rulers of the world”. This theory has one gaping hole in it. The “man of lawlessness” affects ONLY the anointed kings/priests, who ARE the Temple of God. 2 Thess 2:3,4; Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1-3
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    As a recap, Rev. 16:13-16 tells us that “the kings of the inhabited earth”/anointed ones are gathered together for the Great Day of God the Almighty by deceptive means and demonic expressions, carried out by the false prophet/governing body and the Wild Beast/organization. When we back up to the Watchtower 3/15 quote above, it becomes absolutely clear how the elder body, a “proud, ambitious“ false priesthood, are able to “sit” and “dictate” to these potential rulers of the earth. Picture a school yard bully sitting on the chest of a meek, frail looking boy, eyeing the threatening fist positioned right in front of his face. What is in that fist that the elder body has tucked away? The power given by the false prophet to judge “fellow servants” as spiritually “dead” for their testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 13:1,7,15;11:7;12:11 It is the Beast of Rev 16:13 at work. This collective system of authority manifested through the elder body is undoubtedly, the “man of lawlessness”.
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    The book of 1 Kings considers the introduction of King Solomon’s reign. Among all of David’s sons, God chose Solomon as the next king to sit on the throne. 1 Chron 22:6-10
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    In steps Adonijah; the half-brother of Solomon, who is determined to usurp the throne. “Then Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying, “I WILL BE KING”; and he prepared for himself chariots and horsemen, and fifty men to run before him." 1 Kings 1:5 Nathan the prophet, quickly presented the situation to Bathsheba, who then approached the ailing David. Immediate action was taken to anoint Solomon as king, securing his place as ruler after David. Adonijah made one more deceptive move to usurp the throne, which led to his death. This struggle for headship regardless of God’s choice of King in Christ, is manifested in the governing body’s dominion over the anointed ones of God. They, and their entourage of priests, elders/cavalry are telling you JWs, “I WILL BE KING!” 1 Kings 1:11,12,15-18,32-35; 2:13-25
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    The “house” or temple Solomon built for God was a partial fulfillment that later would be realized in Christ. 1 Chron 17:10b-14; Matt 12:42; John 2:19-21 But at the time, God put his name on the temple built by Solomon, blessing it with His Holy Spirit. 1 Kings 5:5;8:29 Has the governing body recognized God’s true Temple today as the anointed Body of Christ? No. Just as they have rejected Christ as their King and Head, they reject God’s Temple/priesthood by installing their own false priesthood, the elder body. Additionally, they have put a corrupted form of YHWH’S name on what they have built, by calling it “Jehovah’s organization”.
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    For those faithful kings of Christ who have overcome the demonic expressions uttered from the mouth of Satan, his synagogue/organization, and false prophets/Beast from the Earth who are now ruling as HIS kings, Revelation says... “Look! I will make those FROM THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying—look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you. Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH (GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE) to put to the test those dwelling on the earth. I am coming quickly. Keep holding fast to what you have, so that no one may take your crown.” Rev 3:9-11 RNWT “He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.” Rev 3:12 Do you understand, JWs, that Armageddon is HERE and that the battle between kings is raging NOW? A bit of trivia for all JWs who may be reading this. Watchtower’s new Headquarters in Warwick, NY has as its address, 1 KINGS DRIVE. “Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, And a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, Leaned his hand on the wall, And a serpent bit him! Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?” Amos 5:18-20 Pearl Doxsey – “The Fourth Beast/Armageddon” “Trample, How Does it Happen?” “Two Beasts” “The Two Horns” “Why Jesus Came to Earth/Last World Power over the Chosen Ones/’Iron’ and ‘Clay’” “Who are the Kings of the Earth?” 4womaninthewilderness
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    Is the Governing body still "spirit directed"?

    “I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.” Matt 8:11 To be in the kingdom at all, Abraham would have reached “perfection” just as his Father and Jesus is perfect, reflecting the same love, and following the same decrees fulfilled in Christ. Matt 5:43-48 It wouldn’t happen overnight, but his heart was already set initially, to serve God and only God. Abraham lived 175 years and I can imagine those years guided him into the perfect maturity and worthiness to be called a friend of God, by God himself. God’s judgments are righteous, reliable and true. He knows the disposition of the heart, and He knows our abilities and desires much better than even we do. For the GB, though, who believe they will soon reign in heaven, sitting at the same table as Abraham? Oh, my. Gerrit Loesch, governing body member speaks on JW Broadcast, March 2018: “So whom do you trust? You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus, and the “faithful slave”. “This is not to say that the slave is perfect and never makes mistakes, but Jehovah and Jesus trust the imperfect slave who cares for things to the best of his ability AND WITH THE BEST OF MOTIVES. Shouldn’t we then trust the imperfect slave as well?” “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised the immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON, the remaining members of the slave (governing body) will be taken to heaven.” “Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ COMPLETELY trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?” These men seek their own righteousness, their own standards apart from Christ. Rom 10:3 They “serve” what they have built and expect all JWs to do the same. Matt 6:24 The words above reflect what is in their heart – to exalt themselves above all other anointed and all JWs. I find it incredible that JWs can listen to Loesch, and swallow his own judgment of himself before Christ, as TRUTH, forgetting that the position of judge has been given to Christ. Matt 28:18 Can they not see, the GB are the ones saying "I am the Christ"? Matt 24:5 Matt 5:20; Matt 3:7-9
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    Is the Governing body still "spirit directed"?

    Abraham upheld the one true God among nations who practiced idolatry. He was the minority among the majority who worshipped many gods. Apparently, there are legends saying that Abraham was persecuted for his faith in YHWH. Through him, and Sarah a covenant was made – a promise of life to his seed. This was pretty big and I would imagine, caused some anxiety carrying such a heavy burden. If you knew you were the “father” of many nations yet didn’t know how it would play out, what would you think? We don’t know the whole story, (just as we don’t know all that Jesus did when on the earth John 21:25) but this is my opinion about why he said in two instances (that we know of), that Sarah was his sister and not his wife, which really, is not a lie. Firstly, when people introduce their siblings that may have one parent different, do they always clarify they are “half-brothers” or “half-sisters? Not really. Even after Abimelek learned that Sarah was Abraham’s wife, he still called Abraham, Sarah’s brother. Gen 20:16 Every prophet chosen by God faces persecution and the threat of death. Obadiah hid a hundred prophets in a cave from Jezebel who was out for every true prophet’s blood. When Elijah told him to go to Ahab and announce his arrival, Obadiah balked, fearing for his life. Even Elijah fled from Jezebel to a cave, afraid for his life. 1 Kings 19:3 How many others did the same thing? And how many were Satan’s target? All of them, and it seems he used those who fell into idolatry to do his dirty work. There is also the thought that the love Abraham had for Sarah caused him to reason as he did. Perhaps, just perhaps, he reasoned that she would be safer apart from him than with him, keeping in mind the persecution that he had suffered through his life. I don’t doubt that Abraham and Sarah, after all they went through together, had a deep love for one another especially as they saw the increasing fulfillment of God’s promise through the birth of Isaac. Gen 17:21; Heb 6:13-15; 11:8-12 Gen 18:16-33
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    Is the Governing body still "spirit directed"?

    This always bothered me too, until I kept reading...
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  11. Check it out... Which change was the result of Christ's direction and not the Wt leaders' own understanding?
  12. So every changed teaching; say, about “this generation”, or failed Armageddon dates, was a gift from Christ, because the governing body ASKED for Holy spirit on the matter. Or, did they forget to ask? Maybe they are like surgeon generals, or doctors, who cannot lead a spiritual nation because they are not blessed to do so, (unless either one is an authentic "faithful and discreet slave"). If an anointed one “remains” in Christ, they can ONLY produce good fruit. Changed doctrine is bad fruit. There is no in-between or middle road. Matt 12:33-37 Notice, these anointed “trees”, “will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Good and perfect gifts from the Father are very possible to receive if that anointed one remains close to Christ. James 1:17; Luke 11:13 “Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. John 15:4,5 Jesus is not speaking about changed teachings; he is speaking about fruit that endures the test of time. The generation teaching was scrapped – how many times? “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.” John 15:16 Teaching a changed doctrine, or prophecies failed, is presumptuousness; not sourced in Holy Spirit. It shows what is in the teacher’s heart. Luke 6:43-45 Remember Prov 3:5-7? Each doctrine that has to be changed or fails is clear evidence that the governing body lean on their own understanding.
  13. Well there is this one, from 2/1/1983 My son pointed out the picture of Zeus in the woman’s skirt when he was just 10 years old. It was later that I saw the angel’s right twisted leg and “hoof” that really raised an eyebrow. No angel of God there, protecting those women in their preaching work! Sure. There are subliminal images all through the history of the Watchtower. And sure, JWs will always figure out an excuse for them, which is just what Satan wants them to do. Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray.” Matt 24:4,5 Yes, fully accomplished by those “ambassadors substituting for Christ. NWT 2 Cor 5:20 Substituting: “If you substitute one thing for another, or if one thing substitutes for another, it takes the place or performs the function of the other thing.” This is how the GB gets away with expecting the obedience of all anointed and all JWs. They are “performing” as if they are Christ. “Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.” KJV 2 Cor 5:20 Ambassadors are messengers, coming as representatives of someone. The anointed priesthood are to bear Christ’s message, not replace him. Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9 Any anointed one who wants to “substitute” for Christ has an ulterior motive – power over others. I wonder how many times the magazines refer to the corrupted form of 2 Cor 5:20. THAT is the “subliminal” message being taken to the door. God would not bless such a message or the messengers who present it.
  14. Watchtower 14/11/15 The flocking of many humans to worship Jehovah with his people in this time of the end was foretold by two ancient prophets. Isaiah prophesied: “Many peoples will go and say: ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.’ For law will go out of Zion, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.” (Isa. 2:2, 3) If, therefore, we wish to benefit from Jehovah’s protection during the great tribulation, we must recognize that Jehovah has a people on earth, organized into congregations. We must continue to take our stand with them and remain closely associated with our local congregation. With all our hearts, may we join the psalmist in proclaiming: “Salvation belongs to Jehovah. Your blessing is upon your people.” —Ps. 3:8. Protection? Blessings? Have you considered how a victim of abuse feels about this? Tell me, JWs, when the court systems of the world must alert and teach JWs to show compassion and righteous judgment to victims of child abuse, where is the “law that goes out from Zion” – GOD’S LAW? Does this organization protect and nurture, through the teaching of God’s law which is far superior than any court law of the land? The “law” is found in the hearts of the anointed priests and kings that YOU refuse to recognize due to your submission to a Harlot/false prophet/ Wicked Slave; and her muscle, the elder body carrying out their own version of God’s laws. Isa 43:10; I Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 8:10; Rev 13:1,6,7,11,14-17; Matt 24:48-51 WAKE UP! It can’t be excused away that this organization IS Zion, yet offers no protection or blessing from the true God, YHWH. It is all, a delusion. 2 Thess 2:9-12 Mount Zion, in all its glory, is NOT FOUND IN SATAN’S WORLD, called the “mountainlike organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses” but in the hearts of righteous faithful anointed ones, who LEAVE THIS LIE BEHIND. Many others, have found it to be “neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, the now “apostate city” of Harlots and their hardened hearts. 2 Chron 7:14 “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” John 4:21-24 “What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7 “The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.” Rev 8:8,9 It is blasphemy to believe that the cornerstone of God’s Zion/Temple (1 Pet 2:6) and his fulfillment of the “law” based on love, would approve of such twisting of God’s decrees, by men who trust only in themselves. Isa 2:22 YHWH’s Genuine Mountain – Pearl Doxsey 4womaninthewilderness
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