DeeDee

6 hours ago, DeeDee said:

Colossians 1:13-16

¹³ He [Jehovah] rescued us from the authority of the darkness [Death] and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son [Jesus], ¹⁴ by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. ¹⁵ He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God [Jehovah], [Jesus is] the firstborn of all creation; ¹⁶ because by means of him [Jesus] all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him [Jesus] and for him [Jesus].

10 minutes ago, Cos said:

Even though Jesus is not the Father, nonetheless, He is God, just as the Father is God. <><

 ¹⁵ He [Jesus] is the IMAGE of the invisible God [Jehovah]...

16 hours ago, Cos said:

Bible scholar John A. Martin thus concludes that the phrase “Eternal Father” is simply “an idiom used to describe the Messiah’s relationship to time”

23 hours ago, DeeDee said:

Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again)

Thank you, Cos, for the reference information...That is the point that I was trying to make earlier: Jesus is "Eternal" and will live for eternity and will not die.

Another point to note is that the use of the word "Father" in Isaiah 9:6...(see quote below):

16 hours ago, Cos said:

is not saying that Jesus is the Father.

11 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

  18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

When old  Jew read this particular verses in Isaiah about "Everlasting Father and Mighty God" and others titles... on whom they think that HE is??? -  god Jesus or god JHVH ?? 

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Is 9:6  For to us a CHILD is born,
    to us a SON is given,
    and the government will be on HIS shoulders.
And HE will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Messiah:  In the Hebrew Bible, the Messiah was the an anointed king who will lead the Jews back to the land of Israel and establish justice in the world.

The Jews were expecting the Messiah to come because of the ancient writings (see Isa. 9:6 above).

So it would seem likely that the Jews would think those titles belong to the Messiah and not Jehovah God.

Jehovah is such a beautiful artist!

I love things that help us to "see" in our heart the wonderful future Jehovah has planned for us since the beginning of time!

2 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

lordships

The word "Lord" is just a title of a position of authority.

Here is the Scripture that explains what am saying in my last post:

Colossians 1:13-16

¹³ He [Jehovah] rescued us from the authority of the darkness [Death] and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son [Jesus], ¹⁴ by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. ¹⁵ He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God [Jehovah], [Jesus is] the firstborn of all creation; ¹⁶ because by means of him [Jesus] all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him [Jesus] and for him [Jesus].

I am having trouble with the computer....

No, Jehovah IS the FATHER...the HEAVENLY FATHER...the CREATOR of ALL things. Without Jehovah, there IS NO LIFE...not for us and not for JESUS. Jehovah is OUR FATHER AND JESUS' FATHER.

I said:

57 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

  1 hour ago, DeeDee said:

In that respect, Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again) who gave us "Everlasting LIFE."

It is true that Jesus will NEVER DIE...so he is "EVERLASTING."

It is also true that without Jesus' ransom sacrifice, we would NEVER have  "EVERLASTING LIFE."

So in that respect, by Jesus' sacrifice we will ALSO have EVERLASTING LIFE.

But without Jehovah GIVING us the GIFT of LIFE to begin with, there would be NO Jesus...There would be NO Death...because there would be NO LIFE...

Does that explain it better?

7 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

G.F. Handel And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed

What Lord? Lord Jesus? or Lord JHVH?

Christendom often is referring to Jesus when saying "Lord."

But many of them also believe that Jesus IS "JHVH."

2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What Lord? Lord Jesus? or Lord JHVH?

They are both referred to as "Lord" by religions.

10 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

Adam is the first physical father of all who were born after him. So we have "Life" but also "Death" because of Adam. But now because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus' life, we will be able to have "Everlasting LIFE" with "NO death." In that respect, Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again) who gave us "Everlasting LIFE."

See the post above...

19 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And he will be called...Everlasting Father...

Adam is the first physical father of all who were born after him. So we have "Life" but also "Death" because of Adam. But now because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus' life, we will be able to have "Everlasting LIFE" with "NO death." In that respect, Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again) who gave us "Everlasting LIFE."

32 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

On other hand JW members can not be 100% sure in WT explanation

...But we (JW's) completely "TRUST in JEHOVAH"...that he will reveal things as we are in need of or ready to learn them. You do not teach a five-year-old child in the same way you would teach a sixteen-year-old. Obviously, Jehovah will not reveal deeper truths until he has decided that it is "the proper time" for ALL of us to know that "explanation." Proverbs 3:5; Matthew 24:45

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On other hand JW members can not be 100% sure in WT explanation also because WT history prove how their interpreting on Bible goes to extremes too. 

Yes, the interpretations change as Jehovah chooses to reveal information to us "young children."

59 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

1 hour ago, DeeDee said:

(Jesus) is NOT the "FATHER."

despite Isaiah, the true prophet of JHVH, claim???

What Scriptural claim are you referring to?

1 hour ago, DeeDee said:

Isaiah 9:6...:

"For a child has been born to us,

A SON has been given to us;

And the rulership will rest on his shoulder.

There are tons of references in Jesus' prayer (John 17) where Jesus makes clear that he (Jesus) is NOT the "FATHER."

17 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Thanks for information. But Catholic church is not "only true religion" and their interpretation on Bible are not guided by JHVH :)))))))

From my personal observations, the Catholic church is NOT the TRUE religion. I was born into it, but am now a JW and am happy to see the truth for myself as I am studying the Bible.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 in the book of Isaiah (according to WT, words in Isaiah are about Jesus, he is Everlasting Father and as i recall in WT book Prince of peace,

The tittles in Isaiah 9:6 are also used by the Roman Catholic religion to refer to Jesus, so it is not only a WT book that interprets these words as referring to Jesus:

"For a child has been born to us,

A son has been given to us;

And the rulership will rest on his shoulder.

His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

On ‎12‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 1:57 AM, Cos said:

“She will give birth to a son, and you are to NAME HIM Jesus, for HE (Greek αὐτὸς) will save HIS people from their sins” (Matt 1:21 NWT emphasis mine)

John 6:37–40

All those whom the FATHER gives ME will come to ME,

and I will never drive away the one who comes to ME;

³⁸ for I have come down from heaven to do, NOT MY own will,

but the will of HIM who sent ME.

³⁹ This is the will of HIM who sent ME,

that I should lose none out of all those whom HE has given ME,

but that I should resurrect them on the last day.

⁴⁰ For this is the will of MY FATHER,

that everyone who recognizes the SON and exercises FAITH in HIM

should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

1 hour ago, Bible Speaks said:

Our Love Becomes So Much Deeper When We Learn How Much We are Loved By Him! ?

So true!! We are so blessed to know Jehovah!!

How cute...That picture says it all!

58 minutes ago, Bible Speaks said:

The Truth will set us Free! ? John 8:3. 

The sister who gave me the Bible had written an inscription in it which included John's words: "you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."  I always meditated on those words before learning the truth, and eventually Jehovah's words at Psalm 37:4 came true: "Find exquisite delight in Jehovah, And he will grant you the desires of your heart."

I was born a Roman Catholic. I had been devoted to God since I was a child and was serving him since I was in high school. I was planning on becoming a Catholic Nun. In high school I read Matthew, which taught me many interesting things about the future that I was not being taught. Then at 17, when I was babysitting, there were Jehovah’s Witnesses' books and brochures at the home, which I read while babysitting. I saw the pictures showing how bad people would become. I said to myself, “People will NEVER get THAT bad". But at that point, I decided that I could NOT become a Nun because what I had read was so VERY different from anything taught by the Church. I always wanted to serve God, but before I devoted my life to God, I wanted to be sure that I was serving the TRUE God. So I began searching to find the truth.

I had ALWAYS believed that the Bible was truly God's Word and not man's, so I knew that the truth would be in the Bible. I spent the next two decades studying the Bible and searching for early copies of the Bible to learn what was REALLY God's message. It became impossible to learn the truth.

I always respected the way Jehovah’s Witnesses knew and used the Bible so thoroughly. So I began accepting regular "informal" return visits from two sisters who gave me the NWT Bible. But I was still not ready to study formally.

Many years passed. Then one day a brother came to the door and showed me the book What Does the Bible REALLY Teach?  When I saw that the Jehovah’s Witnesses had a book that actually taught what the Bible REALLY teaches, I immediately started a formal Bible study, believing that I had FINALLY found the TRUTH!!! As I started learning what the Bible REALLY says, I quickly learned that (1) "JEHOVAH"  was God's name! And I saw similar pictures to what I had seen when I was young which show how bad people would become. Since it was decades since I last saw those pictures, I could see that (2) this prophesy had COME TRUE! These two things proved to me that Jehovah’s Witnesses MUST have God’s truth!

23 hours ago, Bible Speaks said:

ARE YOU HAPPY?

Yes...every day since I have known the truth!!