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    Hankulan Tunani got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Cannibalism and the Holy Bible   
    I’m being a sport. Aside from the ones already offered, I don’t see things the way you do. When someone adds to scripture to benefit their understanding while not seeing the logic that makes up what is cannibalism, those thoughts are your own.
    But you are right. The there is no reference to the word cannibal. So, enlarge the fonts all you want, it still won’t make it right in the eyes of God as a standard, since you wish to reject what is blood, hurting one another, killing, and dead flesh is stood for in scripture. Unless you consider afterbirth placenta to be live flesh.
    Then, be a sport James and recite a Bible text that supports cannibalism.
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    Hankulan Tunani got a reaction from Space Merchant in Cannibalism and the Holy Bible   
    Yep! Your right. Scripture doesn’t say anything about Cannibalism. I'm sure glad everyone tells the truth here.
    1.       2 Kings 6:24-33 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
                  The Siege of Samaria—Cannibalism
                 2 Kings 6:24-33 Lexham English Bible (LEB)
                 Besieged Samaria Resorts to Cannibalism
    2.       Ezekiel 5 New International Version (NIV)
                  God’s Razor of Judgment
    3.       Leviticus 26:27-30
    4.       Lamentations 2:16-21
    5.       Jeremiah 19:7-10
    6.       Deuteronomy 28:52-57
    Murder is wrong. can it be extrapolated to be part of cannibalism if you kill to eat, unless you snort bath salt Just like that guy in Florida, attacked another person to start eating him alive?
    https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/face-eating-cannibal-attack-latest-bath-salts-incident/story?id=16470389
    1.       Exodus 20:13
    2.       Leviticus 24:17
    3.       Matthew 5:21
    Now, people can get technical by suggesting they are referring to dead flesh. But can it be that scripture also refers to dead flesh? Deuteronomy 28:57
    So, what kind of cannibalism is not referenced in the canonized bible? I wonder if drinking human blood is considered cannibalism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cannibalism
    I wonder what jiminy cricket would say. But wait, none of this has to do with cannibalism, never mind. ?
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    Hankulan Tunani reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Did Jesus ever forbid the use of blood to save a human life ?   
    I agree 100%.
    The GB's current position is based on greed.
    They do not want to be sued out of existence, lose their cushy well-fed jobs, and all those billions in free money.
    The Lawyers and Accountants are now deciding Theology and Doctrine for Jehovah's Witnesses.
    The GB are merely puppets to their "Helpers", the Society's Lawyers, and the Society's Accountants.
    Currently, if we separate blood into fractions and hook up 13 different IV's, it's "legal".
    If it come into our bodies in ONE tube, we get disfellowshipped.
    it makes no sense whatsoever with any other explanation than pure, unadulterated greed.
     
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    Hankulan Tunani reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Cannibalism and the Holy Bible   
    There is an interesting analog to what I am trying to convey to you.
    The United States Constitution, WHEN READ CORRECTLY, specifically enumerates the powers and authority the Federal Government has.
    If it's not on the list, and there is an INFINITE number of things that is NOT on the list ... those powers are reserved to the States, or to the People of the Unites States.
    It was designed that way to encourage generations of LIBERTY.
    This is why both political parties are fighting to have the Supreme Court Justice they want ... so it will be read THEIR way ... to support THEIR world view of how things should be.
    One side wants the Constitution interpreted exactly as written, and the other side wants it interpreted to read to support their "progressive" evolved ideas.
    If that side wins, everything not specifically allowed ... will be forbidden, and there will be TYRANNY.
    In like manner ... I do not have to show that Jehovah PERMITS or supports cannibalism, because my position is that he does not care at all, if the blood is properly drained out, the burden of proof is on you to show it is FORBIDDEN.
    All you need is one clear, unambiguous in context Scripture to prove me wrong.
    Want to try again?
    Be a sport!
     
     
     
     
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    Hankulan Tunani reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Cannibalism and the Holy Bible   
    The ONLY way I could have been more clear is to use dry erase markers on a white-board, with extra large printed letters. 
    You were challenged on your reading comprehension and analysis skills, and FAILED.
    With all you many fuzzy references ... you FAILED to produce ONE Scripture that shows that God PROHIBITS humans from eating human flesh, as they did in Jerusalem under siege (presumably bled-out war dead...).
    That is why you DID NOT produce a single scripture that PROVED your viewpoint.
    I do not have to show a Scripture showing that God supports cannibalism ... It is my current position that God has left that issue entirely up to us, and has no "position" at all on cannibalism.
    God also has no stated position on bicycles,  or a truly INFINITE number of other topics.
    Please PROVE me wrong.  
    Fuzzy customs, taboos, and cultural morays do NOT count.
    Want to try again?
    Be a sport!
     
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    Hankulan Tunani got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Cannibalism and the Holy Bible   
    I’m being a sport. Aside from the ones already offered, I don’t see things the way you do. When someone adds to scripture to benefit their understanding while not seeing the logic that makes up what is cannibalism, those thoughts are your own.
    But you are right. The there is no reference to the word cannibal. So, enlarge the fonts all you want, it still won’t make it right in the eyes of God as a standard, since you wish to reject what is blood, hurting one another, killing, and dead flesh is stood for in scripture. Unless you consider afterbirth placenta to be live flesh.
    Then, be a sport James and recite a Bible text that supports cannibalism.
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    Hankulan Tunani got a reaction from Space Merchant in Jehovah's Witnesses 'use the Bible to victim-shame,' sex abuse survivor says   
    It seems her father the Elder didn’t see the warning signs if this victim was receiving gifts from an older man, and her father miraculously didn’t see what was going on. Parents are responsible for their children. This victim must really be dissent with her father, especially if she didn’t have the sex talk that the majority of parents have with their teenage children.
    Since we are getting secondhand information from the news. How she alleged the congregation mishandled her case is inconsequential since civil laws only require a reasonable belief in civil cases versus a burden of proof in a criminal case. The Preponderance of evidence is very different.
    Who dropped the ball in this case?
    This is the gray area those that have a problem with the Watchtower don’t seem to want to see or acknowledge.
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    Hankulan Tunani got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Is it Time for Jehovah's Witnesses to Apologize? Part 1   
    obviously your not from the US. In the US, the evangelicals elected Trump and put the newly elected Supreme Court judge on the bench. This is modern Christianity at its worst. You are correct, Christ made it a point to separate church and state. None of which the majority of Christendom is not doing across the world.
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    Hankulan Tunani reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses 'use the Bible to victim-shame,' sex abuse survivor says   
    Yes, this type of report will come up time and time again but the JW puppets will not believe it, ever.
    Of course the Elder puppets know it's all true but they keep it all secret as far as possible. 
    People like Tom tom, and others that think the GB and the Org are wonderful. 
    Let's get to the nitty gritty. THE GOVERNING BODY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THE RULES. THEREFORE THE GOVERNING BODY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THIS ABUSE BECAUSE OF THE RULES THEY HAVE MADE. 
    Unless that GB are removed and replaced then the JW org has no chance in being clean. 
    What does the scripture say.  That Wicked slave will be thrown out into the street and that is where the gnashing of his teeth will be. 
    Well soon may it happen to them. 
     
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    Hankulan Tunani reacted to Jack Ryan in Jehovah's Witnesses 'use the Bible to victim-shame,' sex abuse survivor says   
    On the heels of a $35 million jury award to a woman who alleged the congregation mishandled her childhood abuse, other survivors say there's a pattern of cover-ups.

    She was 14, and at first, the attention felt innocent — like any other friendly interaction Moriah Smith had with fellow Jehovah's Witnesses during worship meetings.
    Smith didn't think anything of the casual conversations she was having with Elihu Rodriguez, a 25-year-old man in her Seattle-area congregation. When he started giving her gifts, like new clothing and a cell phone, Smith — who was taught through her religion that sex is only between a husband and wife — did not think she was being groomed for sexual abuse.
    Smith says it was in October 2012, five days before her 15th birthday, that Rodriguez had sex with her in the bedroom of the house she lived in with her father, a respected Jehovah's Witness elder. More sexual abuse followed for the next three months, she said. Ridden by panic attacks but ashamed and confused by what was happening, Smith didn't tell anyone, including her family, what was going on.
    "I didn't understand anything really about sex," Smith, now 20, said. "I also had the fear of disappointing God. Not only that, but I could potentially be shunned."
    The following year, Smith moved to Fairfield, Washington. Although she still did not feel comfortable disclosing to her parents — who she says did ultimately cut off contact with her when they found out years later what she endured in her prior congregation — she worked up the courage to report it to three elders at the Fairfield Kingdom Hall.
    The elders "basically told me that it was my fault. They told me that I wasn't sorry enough to God for what I had done," said Smith, who has since left the religion and works in the Spokane, Washington, area as an administrative assistant at a private medical company. "They talked about putting Jehovah first, putting God first in your life, and I wasn't, apparently, doing that to their standards."
    How the Jehovah's Witnesses handle sex abuse claims
    In the tight-knit Jehovah's Witness community, outsiders, including authorities, are often viewed suspiciously, according to religious scholars. As a result, accusations of any sort between members of the congregation are typically first dealt with through an internal judicial process — one that requires two witnesses to a crime to prove guilt, a tenet that's in keeping with the Witnesses' strict, often literal interpretation of the Bible.
    The religion's handling of abuse claims has recently come under fire. In the past decade, there have been at least 30 lawsuits nationwide against the organization arising from its responses to childhood sex abuse, and a jury award of $35 million on Sept. 26 to a Montana woman who claimed the congregation covered up the abuse she suffered at the hands of a congregation member as a child put a rare spotlight on the insular religion.
    In Smith's case, she said the elders she reported to privately reproved her, Jehovah's Witnesses' quiet way of denying wrongdoers in the congregation of certain privileges. Rodriguez was not punished, she said.
    "They had used the Bible to victim-shame me for what I had done, and they never did anything to him."
    "They had used the Bible to victim-shame me for what I had done, and they never did anything to him," Smith said. "He got married, and he remained within the congregation — a child molester living among them."
    Smith's allegations led to charges against Rodriguez. NBC News verified the details of her claims through charging documents filed in King County Superior Court in Washington in July; in addition to rape of a child in the third degree for what allegedly happened with Smith, Rodriguez was also charged with rape of a child in the second degree involving a 12- or 13-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl he allegedly had a relationship with around the same time.
    When reached by phone, Rodriguez repeatedly told NBC News that he had no comment. He has not entered a plea in the case.
    The Office of Public Information at the World Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses responded to last month's Montana jury verdict with a brief statement that said Jehovah's Witnesses "abhor child abuse and strive to protect children from such acts," while adding it planned to appeal the $35 million fine.
    Photographs of Moriah Smith's grandparents, (from left) her mother, her brother and her father, sit on a table at her house near a memento signifying the date of her baptism into the Jehovah's Witnesses faith in 2011. Rajah Bose / for NBC News
    In response to questions from NBC News about what happened to Smith, Fairfield Kingdom Hall did not return a request for comment, and the Office of Public Information at the World Headquarters said in an email that "it would be inappropriate for us to comment on specific cases."
    It directed NBC News to its "scripturally based position on child protection," a two-page document on its website that intersperses Biblical references with denouncements of child abuse and outlines how the congregation aims to protect its children.
    "When elders learn of an accusation of child abuse, they immediately consult with the branch office of JehovahÂ’s Witnesses to ensure compliance with child abuse reporting laws. (Romans 13:1) Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of JehovahÂ’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason," says one bullet point in the document.
    Smith says that kind of protection was never offered in her case. Even worse, when she finally told her family a couple of years later that she had been in a sexual relationship with an older man at age 14, she says they accused her of flirting, and have since stopped talking to her because they view her as a "spiritual threat" to their own commitment to their faith.
    "They were willing to turn their back on their own child to pursue a religion rather than support their own child," she said.
    'There's no list of questions or protocols'
    Other former Jehovah's Witnesses say they have experienced a pattern of covering up abuse to protect the religion's reputation dating back decades.
    "There's no list of questions or protocols. These men are literally flying by the seat of their pants. They're not cops or welfare workers," said William Bowen, a former elder who now serves as an expert witness on how Jehovah's Witnesses operate with respect to allegations of sexual abuse. Bowen is also the national director of Silentlambs, a victims' support group where abuse survivors who have gotten kicked out of the religion anonymously share their stories. He says he has collected more than 1,000 stories on the website since he started it in 2001.
    Chessa Manion, 29, describes the abuse she saw within the religious organization as "systemic." She says she was raped by the teenage son of an elder in 1994 in Illinois when she was five years old, and when her parents told elders what had happened, their response was: "Let bygones be bygones for Jehovah's sake. Don't ruin his name by taking this public."
    "I feel that their first interest is not for the victim. It's for themselves," Manion said. "It's really this culture of silencing and of cleaning things up and of tolerance."
    'This is not tolerable in a civilized society'
    Smith's attorney, Irwin Zalkin, whose San Diego law firm has been litigating against Jehovah's Witnesses across the country for nearly two decades, expects to file a civil lawsuit in the coming month on her behalf.
    He says the suit will claim negligence on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses for how they process child sex abuse claims such as Smith's. It will seek financial compensation and an overhaul of the religion's response to victims.
    "At some point, they have to understand that this is not tolerable in a civilized society," Zalkin said. "She was the was the one who they, in essence, prosecuted."
    Smith said she hopes that by taking legal action, she will prevent what happened to her from happening to other Jehovah's Witness children.
    "It is absolutely an environment where the abuser is set up to abuse again," she said. "They are putting children at risk all the time because of the lack of action on the part of the organization. They do not have things in place to get these dangerous people out of the midst of their children."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jehovah-s-witnesses-use-bible-victim-shame-sex-abuse-survivor-n916326
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