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Yea, I will not believe any person who says they cannot get out of JW......it is pretty easy.....

This must have been devastating to Rutherford if Bible Students believed he was a prophet. According to the publications. A larger percentage of Bible Students left this suggested prophet. I can’t understand the logic, putting someone so high, then turn their backs on him, if he was truly considered a prophet.
The Watchtower December 1, 1927 pg 355 col 1 par 4
During the past fifty years God has been causing his light to shine with increasing power upon his Word. He has not given his people new truths, but illuminated the truths already given. During that short period of time many have separated themselves from all organized systems of religion and have tried to walk in the way that Jesus and the apostles walked. For a time they made progress; and then many became tired and weary in well doing or thought more highly of themselves than they should think or became lawless, while others became offended. These turned away, so that today the larger percent of those who withdrew from so-called organized Christianity have turned aside and again gone back into the world.
It must be certain Bible Students considered his insight as prophetic just like some considered Russell the wise servant. It’s unfortunate we can’t stop people from thinking in a certain way.
The Watchtower November 15, 1930 pg 342 col 1 pars 1-2
The total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society and now oppose its work is comparatively large, when such are taken all together. These are now divided into many companies, all claiming to be followers of Christ and claiming to be God’s little flock, while at the same time they speak evil things concerning those who are faithfully endeavoring to serve God. They denounce the Society and its work, saying that its activities are due to a man-made theory and that those who go to make up the Society are carnally minded and are engaged in a book-selling business and not in the service of Jehovah.
This can be relative when it comes to those that re-energize the same kind of modern division. We only need, look back to understand why.
 

Thank you for this research. To some extent. One of Mr. Orwell’s prediction was fashioned in 1944 that Russia and Japan would gang up on the USA ending with a Russo-Japan treaty.

Of course that didn’t happen with the super powers. But it didn’t exclude Russia from being part of that power.

The other part. I mentioned to Mr. Rook. The Old George Almanac placed a comic-spin to those prediction.

Orwell’s predictions for 1946, which included economic disaster, resurgent fascism, “civil wars, bomb outrages, public executions, famines, epidemics and religious revivals.”

 

I compare that with authors such as Harold Bloom, Albert A. Berg

 

PAUL R. EHRLICH AND ANNE H. EHRLICH

ON POPULATION

The analysis of the environmental aspects of Nineteen Eighty-Four that follows is in several respects unfair to George Orwell. Anyone who writes about the future knows that precise

Prediction is impossible. One can forecast the implications of current trends on the assumption that they will continue; but the forecaster is always aware that many trends are unlikely to

Continue. We would view Nineteen Eighty-Four as a scenario, a device used to stimulate thinking about the future implications of the present course of society. In that context it was an

enormous success, for, whether it was intended as a forecast or a warning, Nineteen Eighty-Four alerted people to certain dehumanizing trends—some of which still seem very threatening today—flowing partly from technological advances.

 

Then I reflect on the parallels with what is considered predictions. The opinions then become substantive, not as a prophet but with vision.

If Mr. Orwell’s 1946 predictions were just stories, then he was specific about certain events. Mr. Orwell’s books spoke of real power, and spoke negative against England as he saw it as a poor Indian with a humble upbringing. The same can be said about Muhammad. It wasn’t until after he stopped being a cop did he focus in his books. His 1984 book was finished shortly before his death.
I was enlightened with a war time piece he made about WW1.
The fact the ”Old George’s Almanac” attempted to put a comedic spin on that 1946 prediction, still left the reader disheartening.
There is no comparison other than personal provocation. If one is going to debate, then all avenues are critical.
 

Can it be that difficult? Can Jehovah not expose those with evil intent?
 Hebrews 4:13 American Standard Version (ASV)
 13 And there is no creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
2 Timothy 2:16 American Standard Version (ASV)
 16 But shun profane babblings: for they will proceed further in ungodliness,
 You would think, those calling themselves Jehovah’s witnesses would already know.

Is it possible with one of your team? It appears it must be true about Anna, ComforMyPeople, JWinsider, TrueTom, James Thomas Rook Jr to be in the same team. I will accept this group runs the forum. Question. If we are not allowed to vote our conscience, what's the point with the emojis?

Can you tell me how that is possible in practice? How can someone cause a division among the brothers if no one hears of it because it's in private?

Yes. I am warning all you miscreants. Any more shenanigans and I will kick your sorry cans to the curb. Especially you, @James Thomas Rook Jr.

It is an interesting read. Can you find the parallel on how people debate error with prophesy about the Watchtower, and yet Mr. Orwell made a predication in 1946, that no one seems to debate.
It is of no value my brother to debate those that are inclined to see things their way. Jehovah's disapproval is upon them.
Take to heart Paul words.
Galatians 1:7-9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
7 that is not another, except there be certain who are troubling you, and wishing to pervert the good news of the Christ;
8 but even if we or a messenger out of heaven may proclaim good news to you different from what we did proclaim to you -- anathema let him be!
9 as we have said before, and now say again, If any one to you may proclaim good news different from what ye did receive -- anathema let him be!
Romans 16:17 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
17 And I call upon you, brethren, to mark those who the divisions and the stumbling-blocks, contrary to the teaching that ye did learn, are causing, and turn ye away from them.
There is no reason to be disappointed for the things you read here. The purpose if you continue is to understand how the world thinks. Accept what you cannot control. Except those that oppose the Org. They have been placed by the God of this world. Their actions must take place in order to fulfill prophecy.
I recommend, you don’t antagonize the true owners of this forum. TrueTomHarley and JWinsider. They are the ones to decide if you stay or get removed for promoting the truth or give negative reviews. That’s been the experience of others I know to have taken place.
People here can’t see beyond what is logical. If you see a group of outsiders defending each other or supporting each other by the emoji, they can’t see when other groups of people can’t do the same. Then it becomes not one group but a single person. I call that hysteria. There can be no other groups of dedicated brothers to speak the truth. Only here is the truth spoken by the opposition.
Continue steadfast and strong.

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, it should have been understood as doctrinal refinement. The organization makes critical refinements when something new is learned. Witnesses understand such logic. What is unacceptable is a concise view of doctrinal error when a revision is made as an error, much more than a new approach and understanding. 
Hebrews 6:1-4
“Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.  And this we will do if God permits.”
 
There are no detrimental changes other than a different approach to Bible understanding
 
*** w15 3/15 p. 9 “This Is the Way You Approved” ***
A SIMPLER, CLEARER APPROACH TO BIBLE NARRATIVES
7 If you have been serving Jehovah for decades, you may have noticed a gradual shift in the way our literature explains many of the narratives recorded in the Bible. How so? In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts. The Bible narrative was considered the type, and any prophetic fulfillment of the story was the antitype. Is there a Scriptural basis for prophetic pictures? Yes. For instance, Jesus spoke of “the sign of Jonah the prophet.” (Read Matthew 12:39, 40.) Jesus explained that Jonah’s sojourn in the belly of the fish—which would have been Jonah’s grave had Jehovah not preserved him alive—was prophetic of Jesus’ own time in the grave.
 
This is what Jehovah's witnesses should be familiar with. Just as Scripture stipulates to think like God, we should think like the Governing Body. Walk a mile. 
I will stick with the understanding provided by the GB. I cannot in good conscience submit to such conjecture from past understanding, with a modern view that removes the value of past generations.  Each generation is unique. 
 

I chuckled when TTH called Sean Migos a "newbie."

Can this be acceptable when there is so much division within the brotherhood? It appears, certain opinions are promoted much more than people are willing to accept as fabricated truth by those causing those spiritually dead debates because some fear repercussion from the congregation. Is that not seen as Adam and Eve trying to hide from Jehovah? What fine Christian example can one receive? What spiritual testimony can those that have yet to know Jehovah be given by those individuals? Are any of you Jehovah’s witnesses?

The expectation of being spiritually uplifted here is zero. I recommend, all Jehovah witnesses that are not in conflict with themselves, not take part here. Being here only serves to rebuff those that have inherited conflict by their own initiative, or had past situations they were sanctioned for. 
Do not look favorably on that JW only club. It amounts to the same dissidence as it does here.

Thank you. Given the preview, here. I will stay out of that club. I don't see anything spiritually uplifting if that is the case.

Thank you for your response. I will continue to hold the Governing Body as seen through the eyes of Jesus, not in reverence but deserving of respect for their hard work and dedication to Jehovah.
I can see the difference with the Holy Spirit that Jehovah lays out for each of us.
1 Corinthians 12:8-10 American Standard Version (ASV)
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 10 and to another workings of [a]miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits: to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
While the Governing Body is a servant that feeds Jehovah’s domestic flock, I don’t believe as you stated that Elders receive the same level of the Holy Spirit as they do.
All baptized and dedicated persons receive God’s Holy Spirit. But I just don’t see where it would be, in particular to suggest the inheritance of that spirit is the same.
Do you think that “women” can be elders?
Romans 12:6-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
6 And having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith; 7 or ministry, let us give ourselves to our ministry; or he that teacheth, to his teaching; 8 or he that exhorteth, to his exhorting: he that giveth, let him do it with [a]liberality; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
I will agree in one point you made. All baptized witnesses should “obey” those that take the lead in order for Jehovah to see the harmony within the organization.
Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.
I have no inclination to disrespect God for the choices he makes in man, and whom he chooses to receive God's instructions.
Can I ask? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Do you believe, as the Bible students did, to have each congregation run independent of each other?
Given your response, I cannot support that kind of man's logic. I will instead support scripture as divine truth.

Question. Isn't that something that is being presented, by you, when the GB doesn't go around promoting themselves.  They are discreet. The reason they are not discreet here is the promotion of something they don't personally claim. 
How would you separate that truth from fiction, here?

An illustration was given by Jesus on what kind of standard should be taken by those that decide to take the lead. The GB doesn’t overreach on its authority. I recall when Brother Jackson commented on how they, including the Elders, should not be seen like the Gentiles of Jesus at the time.  A better defense of contextual evidence than an irresponsible comment from outsiders about Luke. 1 Peter 5:3
Jesus himself stated, he was a servant and not to be served. Matthew 20:25-28
I have not found any evidence to suggest the GB has made it a practice to rule over others except by following Jehovah’s command. I don’t believe the GB has any illusions of being masters, especially task masters.
Maybe some brothers have forgotten. The GB has a greater responsibility as faithful servants and will receive a worse judgment of Jehovah if they deviate from God’s message.
In Brother Russell’s time, it was a given since each congregation was independent of each other. Perhaps the Bible Students felt the same way of understanding, Galatians 6:9.

While there was a difference between Charles Taze Russell’s understanding of the definition of the word “dedication” and “consecration” it does not diminish todays understanding by Jehovah’s witnesses that understand what an “acceptable” dedication really means.
Something the Presidents, Vice Presidents, and Governing Body have been correct to apply after 1934.
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not consider or have considered a building as consecrated ground that it cannot be moved, just like the “ark of the covenant” was, constantly; moved.
I believe Jesus action in cleansing the temple can be considered. It should be correctly understood the consecration, portion is something that should be given to any building at the time of worship.
To those wanting to learn about Jehovah’s witnesses and their “dedication” to serve Jehovah no matter where they end up? There are plenty of references in JW.org.
No one needs to accept the writings of individuals. They don’t need to accept the Watchtower. You only need, to compare and understand what Jehovah witnesses, teachings are based on to accept their doctrine. They accept Jehovah’s word, along with Christ instructions.