Patiently waiting for Truth

It can easily be seen that this Chioke person twists comments just as he did in previous guises. Billy the Kid / Allen et al. 

It can easily be seen that this Chioke person twists comments just as he did in previous guises. Billy the Kid / Allen et al. 

It’s a good question; and the whole world today is still lying in the power of the wicked.
Luke 4:5,6 -  “Thenthe devil led him up to a high place and showed him in a flash all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “To you will grant this whole realm—and the glory that goes along with it, for it has been relinquished to me, and I can give it to anyone I wish.” 
Until death is destroyed in Armageddon, (1 Cor 15:26) Satan will have his influence in the “world” of mankind; especially in the “word” of God’s “inhabited earth”, His land in the anointed.  (Acts 7:48-50; 1 Cor 3:9;16 John 14:23; Eph 2:22)  It doesn’t mean that Satan was totally inactive when abyssed, but that he couldn’t “perceive” a plan of deceit against Christ’s brothers.  Satan wanted Jesus to be swayed by his offers of riches and power, etc.  He wanted Jesus to answer to him, to be his slave. This would guarantee that Satan’s kingdom, his dominance over the world would continue; but Jesus conquered death by his obedience to the Father and for sacrificing his life, so that we could obtain eternal life by believing and obeying his teachings. The anointed members of his body must also conquer death; and Satan knows this, which is why he demanded to sift each one of them as “wheat”.  Luke 22:31
Okay,
Hades is the abyss, and is from two Greek words:
From ἄλφα (G1) (as negative particle) “not”
and εἴδω (G1492) to perceive
Hades basically means unable to perceive.  It is spiritual darkness and not a literal place, but a consignment to spiritual death – a state void of life and light in the Father and Christ.  When Jesus figuratively “chained” Satan in the abyss, he was restricted from deceiving Christ’s apostles and all anointed until the “thousand-year” reign of Christ that began in the first century, came to an end.  The message had to preached in truth, not to be influenced by deception from the devil.
“Finally, pray for us, brothers and sisters, that the Lord’s message may spread quickly and be honoredas in fact it was among you, 2 and that we may be delivered from perverse and evil people. For not all have faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one. 4 And we are confident about you in the Lord that you are both doing—and will do—what we are commanding. 5 Now may the Lord direct your hearts toward the love of Godand the endurance of Christ.  2 Thess 3:1-5
While Jesus was on earth:
“Then the seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name!” 18 So he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Look, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions and on the full force of the enemy, and nothing will hurt you.”
This was the event, and the outcome of Satan’s abyssing – “falling”.  (Rev 20:1-3) The preaching of truth by the early anointed was not deterred.  But, what did Satan accomplish against the apostles and the anointed then?  Did they fall into idolatry?  No.  Most were killed, just as Jesus was killed; yet Satan was never able to deceive them, and they died blameless, as spiritual “virgins”. (Rev 14:1-5) They never faced the end time Beast of Revelation 13, something that the book makes a point to bring out. 
“Then I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.”  Rev 20:4
We are told that in last days, false prophets would DECEIVE the elect. (Matt 24:24,25) How? Satan was let loose from the chains of “not perceiving”, and enacted his plan through false prophets, to DECEIVE the remaining ones of the woman’s seed. How? By flooding them with lies. (2 Pet 2:1-3; Rev 12:15)  And yes, the anointed have been deceived by falsehoods that they readily ingest, as they support the development of the organization’s existence. (Matt 7:15-20)  They have been gathered together in one place, taken captive under “empty philosophy”(Col 2:8; Rev 13:10), yet “scattered” throughout the world as not “one stone upon another”.  (1 Pet 2:5; Luke 21:6)  They are unable to bond and study the word of God under Jesus Christ, according to your leadership.  They have been sarcastically blasphemed, God’s sanctuary has been blasphemed, and ”Gentile” elders have authority over them. (Rev 13:5-7; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2)  
Can you see that anyone not anointed as God’s spiritual dwelling (Eph 2:20-22; 1  Cor 3:16) wh tells God’s chosen people, what they can and cannot do, is basically a spiritual “war” of words, and a sign that the temple of God in the anointed has been trampled down by the administration of the organization?  Dan 7:7,23; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
This deception is so great that JWs readily accept false predictions and false teachings.  These are never viewed as lies, but as the need for “new LIGHT”. Light comes from Christ, whom you believe guides the organization.  A false teaching would never come from God or Jesus Christ, but JWs believe it does. If they understood what truth and light from Jesus Christ truly is, then the veil would be lifted from their eyes.
Instead, JWs believe God’s Spirit directs this organization, its failed teachings, and its leadership.  That is truly an amazing feat of Satan to turn the Father and the Son, into the liars.  Since JWs are so nonchalant about false teachings from the leaders, they have effectively been “blinded” by deceiving spirits and demonic teachings.  (1 Tim 4:1) 
“ But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this age (yes, this age – not in the age to come) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe so they would not see the light of the glorious gospelof Christ, who is the image of God.”  2 Cor 4:3,4
Is your gospel that Wt. says is sourced in God’s Spirit through Jesus Christ, “GLORIOUS” when it stumbles over doctrine?  The leaders cannot understand the meaning of the scriptures which they admit to – the very leaders who have taken the bait that Satan offered Jesus in Luke chapter 4.  They have built their empire of riches, and power and authority over the anointed members of Jesus’ Body.   
Yes, Satan has been let loose “for a little while” to deceive the anointed into sin and idolatry. (2 Cor 11:2-4,13-15)  The organization has become their idol. (Rev 13:4).  His release brings about the great tribulation and Armageddon to come upon the anointed and those with them.  It is a spiritual war, not the physical fulfillment in Satan’s world. (Luke 17:20; 2 Cor 10:3-5)  Do you notice who the false prophet and Beast from the Sea “gather” for the battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16:13-16?  It is the “kings of the earth” – Christ’s kings.  (Rev 1:5)  Rev 20:7-9 talks about this gathering of the ”camp of the saints”.
Gog and Magog of Revelation 20:7,8 are more descriptive terms for the two Beasts of Revelation – one is “Satan’s organization” as Wt. even calls it; the other, a line of false prophets who direct it and poison the living water of truth.  (Rev 8:10-11; 9:1-5;13:1,11,12)  Everything that the two Beasts accomplish is cloaked under the veil of “righteousness” in the organization.  JWs have on their forehead and hands, (in their minds, hearts and through their actions) the identifying mark of the Wt. organization -  the mark of the Beast.  (Rev 13:4,15-18)  Jesus explained that there would be a day when his disciples would be “thrown out of the synagogue” (congregation) by people who believe it is a service to God. ( John 16:2).  It is disfellowshipping, a spiritual “death”; and what the false prophets who guide the “inspired” Beast from the Sea practice on those who refuse to bear its mark and who reject the “buying and selling” of the false prophet’s teachings.  (Rev 13:15-17; 11:1-3-11)
What happens when judgment from God takes place?  He fulfills it, once and for all. How much more so it is with Satan.
“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will prove the world wrong concerning sin and righteousness and judgment— 9 concerning sin, becausethey do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will see me no longer; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned.”  John 16:7-11
Jesus was writing to the “world” of his day.  He was writing about those under covenant with God. 
“Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.”   John 3:19-21
Satan has been condemned.  He will not be “abyssed” after Armageddon, but the condemnation against him will be carried out at the end of the war of the Great Day of God the Almighty.  Rev 20:10
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Commentator, I have never seen the sign you have seen from Tennessee. I don't believe in guns. But, if you wish, you can post it for amusement.
I would consider that a distraction from a bible discussion. But as another hostile commentator replied, he doesn't take a bible discussion seriously. So, I guess humor can find a place with some, that are not serious.

After watching Benny Hill, I was unaware the British HAD a sense of humor.
It wasn’t until “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail” with the “Holy Hand Grenade” that I found out they do.

Is that 1000 people years, or dog years?
….. reminds me of the time the State of Tennessee put up signs “PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE SIGNS”, with predictable results.

I merely suggested if you wish to use the correction pronunciation in the Jewish language, it has always been YHVH, and Jesus is Y'shua. There is no call to get offended or to be offensive with your reply. 
In the English form, yes, YHWH and Jesus would be appropriate. I did not recommend the usage of Yahovah for the English language.
There is no need for hostilities commentator. As I mentioned above, there is no need for these kinds of distractions.
I had not down voted you before today. I see, that is your pattern of disapproval. So, I will use your method from this point on.

In my view I don't think you are as genuine as you pretend to be. You are possibly someone using more than one user name. But have a good day anyway.  
JWs taught YHWH from way back.  And the Watchtower had written in one of their reference books that God's name was probably Yahweh but they used Jehovah because it was more well known at the time. 
I am quite happy to use YHWH and to use Yeshua, as they seem correct and genuine. 
And even JWs on here have now admitted that it is not Jehovah but Yehovah.
So I will continue to be Patiently Waiting For Truth from the True Anointed ones, because only the True Anointed ones will be inspired of God's Holy Spirit and therefore know God's thoughts through Yeshua. 
Meanwhile people on here continue to pretend to know much more than others. I will not fall into that trap. I am not Anointed and I will not pretend to understand deep scripture. And if people think that i am foolish, then remember that it is the foolish ones that God uses. 
Berean Study Bible  1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

As usual, you COMPLETELY missed the point, PwfT. 
…. and it was as simple an illustration as could be conveyed.

Rainbow colours, how sweet, but we know what those rainbow colours mean in this world don't we ? 
So its well suited to that particular Org. Have a nice day PC. 

A JW seems to be trying to prove something to himself here. It seems he is of such little faith that he needs these pictures to lean on. Maybe he sould learn that spiritual things are of much more importance than materal things. Remember it was the wicked Jewish religious leaders that requird a sign. 

those on the right side of the coming events will enjoy the clean humor of a rightous people
Yes i fully agree. The True Anointed will help True Christians to serve YHWH through Yeshua. 
The false Christians will be removed and organisations destroyed. 

Do prostittutes wear high heels ? I wouldn't know. Have a good day James. 

You quote me because you know I'm under 'warning' from @The Librarian and there fore I will not be led into your trap. 
but I do wonder if it was you that actually reported me   Have a most wonderful day Mr Carroll. 
I note that your comment is still quoting from MEN though. God's word is so much more reliable. 

BUT,
True Christians would NOT tell lies pretending to know when Armageddon is going to happen.
True Christians would NOT insult and degrade the True Anointed ones.
True Christians would NOT hide Pedophiles in their organization.
True Christians would NOT cast out Victims of Child Sexual Abuse, nor call those children liars.
True Christians would NOT allow people to become collateral damage within their Organization, just to keep the outside of that Org looking 'nice' and 'clean'.
In fact, True Christians wound NOT be Jehovah's Witnesses. 
 
 

Keep playing your game and keep pretending that you have superior knowlwdge. 
My love of YHWH and of Yeshua is known to whom it matters, and i will be judged on it. 
As for you, you too will be judged on the things you say and write. 
Be educated here :- 
The English term Jew originates in the Biblical Hebrew word Yehudi, meaning "from the Kingdom of Judah"
Or,
“Jew” and “Judean” are the English words most often used to translate the Greek term ioudaios
 
Ioudaikos   Ioudaismos The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon  
Strong's Number: 2453 Browse Lexicon Original Word Word Origin ioudaioß from (2448) (in the sense of (2455) as a country) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Ioudaios 3:356,372 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech ee-oo-dah'-yos Adjective Definition Jewish, belonging to the Jewish nation Jewish as respects to birth, origin, religion Have a good day, and may you have peace.
     

Dear readers. It would appear that there is as much deciet and lies told here on this forum as there is deciet and lies in that organisation run by the Watchtower, and that is a lot. 
Hence I will continue to wait for the True Anointed to be inspired of God's Holy Spirit through Yeshua. Only the True Anointed will be the spiritual Jew, and only True Christians will be guided by them. 
We can see here that even if people are sincere, if they are not of the True Anointed then they have no True understanding of God's word. Of course some scripture is very basic and a good guideline for living our daily life, but the deeper things of God are for those of the True Anointed only. 
May you all have peace, but also have patience, mercy and love. 

The correct form would then be YHVH and Y'shua, if anyone wishes to follow the ancient form. Even Yeshua is a modern Jewish form. If that's the case, then, Yehovah would be appropriate in Jewish form. If you use grammar correct for Yeshua, it will point you to the correct English change of Jeshua. The same English correction we get with Yehovah. 

 
In my view, I don't think, God's personal name should be a point of contention. 
 

Please! Please! Please! I'm enjoying this discussion. Can we keep it civil and without distractions?
 

A commentator has given the bible a discrepancy with what is written in Matt 5:43-58. The meaning behind our actions should reveal a good state of mind while being an imperfect creation. Jesus sacrifice gave man the opportunity to regain a state without sin before God. We as God's slaves are not without sin at the present time.
If we are as indicated by the commentator, there would have been no need for Jesus sacrifice, and God is apparently playing games with his creation. This changes the passage significantly.
Once again, this passage cannot be linked to the 1000-year reign of God’s kingdom.
The commentator also references Heb 4:12. I agree that God is the living word for his creation, We as his creation should understand there is nothing we do that can be hidden from God.
This passage cannot be linked to the 1000-year reign, either. But it does illustrate the sacrifice of Christ as our High Priest.
Matthew 4
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. 16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
Once again, is God’s creation without sin in our present time?
So, the 1000-year reign is not of judgment but a state of reconciliation of a sort back to perfection. After the 1000 years, there will be a final judgment for God's creation that will include Satan and his followers.

For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything He does, and will show him greater deeds than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whomever he wishes. 22 Furthermore, the Father does not judge anyone, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all peoplewill honor the Son just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
24 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the One who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life. 25 I tell you the solemn truth, a time is coming—and is now here—when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, thus He has granted the Son to have life in himself, 27 and he has granted the Sonauthority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.”  John 5
 In the resurrection, all people will "stand" to receive their judgment.  I see nothing in these words that signifies a temporary promise of “eternal life” in the Kingdom of God to those who hear the voice of the Son of God and believe in him.  I see Jesus being given the authority to judge ALL who have lived, executing judgment on ALL who refuse to accept him as the Way, the Truth, and the LIFE. 
Ironically, the thousand-year doctrine of men has permeated many organizations in Christendom, the very religions that the Wt condemns.  It sure is a pervasive teaching that has robbed the power of God and Jesus Christ to grant any who have lived, and whose hearts are found worthy, to live eternally in the Kingdom of God.  There will be no more death a thousand years later. 
 
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will not exist any more—or mourning, or crying, or pain, for the former things have ceased to exist.”  Rev 21:4 
One’s choice to desire and believe truth comes down to the power of men’s doctrine, over the power of God’s Word, in the heart of the individual.
 
 
 

There is no “thousand year period” after Armageddon where people will need to reach perfection to be judged….AGAIN.  We are judged, all of us, by what we do in our lifetime.  Your doctrine says that people like the prophets, and the ancient ones who were faithful during their life on earth, those who suffered because of their devotion to God, (NOT to an organization) must be judged again when they reach “perfection”.  And THEY are going to be taught by JWs?  By elders who lie in court and hide child abuse in the congregations?  What arrogance!  Does the righteousness of JWs surpass that of the prophets?  Of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Deborah, Ezekiel, etc. ?
John 12:48-49 - "The one who rejects me and doesn't receive my sayings has this as his judge: The word I have spoken will judge him on the last day. 49 "For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a command to say everything I have said.
Acts 17:31 - “because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world in righteousness by the man he has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead." 
Rev 22:10 – “Then he said to me, "Don't seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near.
Rev 22:12 - "Look, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me to repay each person according to his work.
Rev 20:12 - I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books.”
John 5:22 - "The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son,
John 5:27 - "And he has granted him the right to pass judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
It sounds to me that Wt's doctrine is excluding Jesus' right AND ability to pass judgment on mankind when Armageddon is finished.  Wt's judgment is according to man's doctrine and not according to God and His plan.  Jesus was with God since the beginning of the creation of mankind. What matters in judgment, is what the heart contains. (2 Chron 16:9) You don't think that God had the ability to judge each person while they were alive on the earth?  Only God and Christ can read hearts.    (Isa 66:16,15)
Satan wants to twist the words of God and deny Jesus' ability to bring eternal life to those resurrected into the Kingdom of God, WHERE NO SECOND JUDGMENT WILL OCCUR.
Heb 4:12 - "For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
Perfection/”holiness” is defined in Matt 5:43-58  
 

Do prostittutes wear high heels ? I wouldn't know. Have a good day James. 

Rainbow colours, how sweet, but we know what those rainbow colours mean in this world don't we ? 
So its well suited to that particular Org. Have a nice day PC. 

That makes as much sense as sayin that because prostitutes wear high heel shoes, that women that wear high heel shoes must be prostitutes.