Matt. 23:23 ¶ “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: Justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Rom. 3:3 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

Gal. 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness.

LOL!! LEARN SCRIPTURE. What a sad poster it has become!! 😆

So, speaks the man of lawlessness!! 😂😂

The man of sin ( Greek: ὁ ἄνθρωπος τῆς ἁμαρτίας, ho anthrōpos tēs hamartias) or man of lawlessness, ( ἀνομίας, anomias) is a figure referred to in the Christian Bible in the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians. He is usually equated with the Antichrist in Christian eschatology .

Poster's need to learn scripture before it can criticize its misuse!!☺️

The Watchtower will only make "safe" investments. They recycle money spent wherever possible.

3 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

I told you I come in company with Christ. When you insult me for speaking the words he gave me, it is not me you are insulting.

I guess this poster thinks of itself as the POPE. lol!!

Wrong, I'm rebuking the poster NOT Christ. This poster is NOT in the same company as Christ, nor as a Christian. Therefore, this poster insults itself and true Christians. 

7 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

ou can carry on with your nonsense, @Moise, but I know who is really speaking when you talk because you talk just like your father, who was a slanderer when he began. Jehovah will rebuke  you.

Yes! I'm speaking about your father the devil. If God wishes to rebuke me, he would have done so long ago. Therefore, I have become a soldier of God with his suit of armor that God hasn't rebuked for being just.

Rom. 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips.

1Cor. 3:3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?

Gal. 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions.
Gal. 5:21 envy,4 drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Once again, I don't see where that poster believes it will inherit the kingdom of God from darkness, or has any authority to preach and teach God's word.

4 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

I have authority from my Lord, the Christ, to receive an inheritance. I have authority from my Lord, the Christ, to carry out this ministry.

 

@Moise, You do not know me or my Lord.

I do know your earthly God. I have personally dealt with demons in the past. Christ made it a point to have God's Holy Spirit continue, in those that actually are deserving of it. God is not a God of confusion, nor did Jesus teach such things.

Therefore, whatever authority this poster thinks it has, it's not from an inheritance of God's Holy Spirit. That's an illusion from this poster.

1Cor. 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. ¶ As in all the churches of the saints.

Learn why this poster cannot be what the poster thinks it is in God's eyes.

As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, Romans 16:17 ESV

1Cor. 4:6 ¶ I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers,1 that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.

Of which this poster possesses. 

James 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.

1 minute ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

I am sorry about your friend. So many have been stumbled by the false teachings and misapplications of scripture by those taking the lead in the organization. Jesus sees all of it, and he said it would be better for those ones to have a millstone around their neck and be pitched into the sea than to stumble those little ones. In Revelation it also says that with a swift pitch Babylon the Great is going to be pitched into the sea like a great millstone.

Once again, speak for yourself poster. You are NOT a spokesman for the Watchtower and NOT a true witness. The stumbling block is people like this poster.

This poster contradicts itself at every turn. Pick your player's poster and stick with it. If you believe @Witness has merit, then stay with that team, and stop pretending to be a JW. That ship sailed long ago for this poster. Now it's time to be honest with the public, and continue as a false prophet. 

7 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

The Bible is its own interpreter. No where in the Bible does it say the "disgusting thing" is the lawless one, those apostatizing. (The Bible does foretell the existence of a lawless one, the group that apostatizes, but the verses in Daniel show that the phrase "disgusting thing" always refers to a political entity, not a religious one.)

Like I said, this poster picks and chooses what is convenient to the poster to justify and excuse the posters outrageous behavior. Now that's hilarious!! 😆

LEARN SCRIPTURE, instead of accepting a bill of goods from others.

Psa. 50:21 These things you have done, and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you and play the charge before you.

Matt. 19:11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.

If @Audrey Kennedy-Tripp wants to whine with justifications and excuses, there is none for that confused poster.

Lookup the definition of the word sovereignty. This poster is NOT glorifying God by using his name in such a disdain manner, but insulting God for using his name as though this poster is speaking about God in general terms no better than Baal.

I will defend scripture and God to my last breath from apostates, false prophets, those that misapply scripture, misrepresent scripture and misinterpret scripture.

Acts 4:24 And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

1 Tim. 6:15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Rev. 6:10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

1 hour ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

@Moise, you have called me and others so many names since I have become acquainted with you on here. I will not repeat all those insulting names, but I do want to thank you for inadvertently reassuring me so many times of God's love for me! Jehovah has a way of turning a curse into a blessing. The more you insult and ridicule, the more confident I become in God's approval. Lol.

What, apostate. If the shoe fits, well, you know the saying. However, in order to be persecuted for being a disciple of Christ, this poster would need to adhere to that calling. So far, this poster has shown none. Being a blasphemer of God's name. That is also proven by the poster's lack of respect for God's sovereignty. It seems what's laughable is this poster's denial. If this poster believes that God approves of people that deny his commands, that person needs scriptural education.

False prophet, the same thing this poster calls others and much more.

However, how much insulting is it to come here and present lie after apostate lie to an Org this poster professes to be part of. That in itself insults all true members of the Org.

1 hour ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

@Witness is right about the existence false worship of men in the congregation. 

Therefore, this message is meaningless at its face. lol!!! 😆😂

27 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

You are correct in encouraging others not to idolize the governing body, but the application of the verse regarding "not drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons" is not saying to leave the congregation. It's saying to not take part in idolatry.

Only apostates and nonconformist spies think that way. Since I have known the GB, NOBODY has ever idolized that body of faithful men. This nonsensical comment would conclude the first century Christian followers of Christ idolized Christ and the apostles. 

People need to make sense when posting irrational thoughts.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Wormwood is a poisonous root.  In this case, teachings from fallen anointed leaders, poison the living waters that should arise from each anointed heart.  As they ingest false teachings, embracing them as truth, the living water from Christ, his teachings, are poisoned by men’s doctrines.  John 7:38; Jer 17:13

Couldn't agree more with this comment for this poster!!

Prov. 5:4 but in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.

Eccl. 7:26 And I find something more bitter than death: the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her.

7 minutes ago, Witness said:

Yes, Watchtower lies do get old.  Lies taught as coming from Jesus Christ; as if the Way of Truth and Life, would ever deceive his sheep, by teaching them a lie.  

7 minutes ago, Witness said:

There is no nourishing "food" of any benefit,  found in the lies and doctrine of the Watchtower, where teachings rot yearly.  

Matt 7:15-20

Since the poster does not conform to scriptural teachings and lies based on false assumptions about bible understanding, what is the poster teaching here? 

Matt. 7:15 ¶ “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

This would apply to the poster as well. Once again, no credibility with scripture.

1 minute ago, Witness said:

"You can't both drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You can't both partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons.  Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?".  1Cor 10:21-22

Do demons argue among themselves? Before the answer is NO! Rethink! 🤨

21 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

The "one drop of poison in the glass of water" illustration is not a valid illustration for the organization, just like it's not a valid illustration for avoiding so-called "apostate" websites.

This poster should know since being a nonconformist and all. That doesn't disprove how erroneous the poster is. 

13 minutes ago, Witness said:

DEFINING BAPTISM 

 

"We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah." Wt 1966/10/1 pp.603-604

 

CONTRADICTION:

 

"Have you dedicated your life to Jehovah and symbolized your dedication by water baptism? If so, that is wonderful! Recall that on your baptism day, before eyewitnesses, you were asked whether you had dedicated yourself to Jehovah and understood that “your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization.”  Wt 2017/4 pp. 3-8

😁😆😅😂 Way to contradict yourself poster. Twisting the narrative doesn't prove your claim. What it does prove by your shady attempt is, the Watchtower members glorify God by identifying themselves by God's namesake. An organization that is led by the spirit of God they are being baptized into.

As I recall, the poster was baptized in the Org. Does this mean the poster has then been baptized elsewhere? Or did God visit the poster to baptize the poster? 

Before you answer, remember, even Jesus was baptized. So, which power compels this poster?

23 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

It may be due to what Mainstream Christendom has pushed out, the idea that Excommunication is old and unnecessary, and any opposition to that idea is ultimately ridiculed.

Bear in mind, this extends to the outside world way of thinking as well. It's not inclusive of Christendom, or any other religion. I know some that have been rejected by their family not for being Catholic but for being gay. Remember, Catholics are becoming more acceptable to homosexuality. However, TRADITION to some doesn't outweigh that determination. That's when society has to deal with new values versus old values of morality. 

When it comes to witnesses, each family unit makes a determination on how to best deal with their own circumstance.

When Grace was as young as I, she became a fornicator, and was D'fd. However, she was a server at a deli where I went to get lunch. Was I forbidden to speak to Grace? NO!! We treated each other as a customer and employee of a business. It had nothing to do with religion. Was the Watchtower preventing me from entering a business I enjoyed lunch in? NO!!

Once again, that shunning nonsense is exaggerated as you point out.

41 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

So going to the US Capitol to challenge that, will not only put an attempted spotlight on Jehovah's witnesses, but the practice itself in Christendom whereas you have those who are for it vs against it; cause conflict.

Yes! There is a big difference between apostates trying to discredit a religion's bylaws with intent to cause harm by defamation. The age-old discussion of, can a person yell fire on a movie theater when there is none get away, without consequences, comes to mind.

45 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

True, but often times, such persons end up going to them. Just as Atheists or a Trinitarian can find a Christian in person or online, for EXJWs they'll always look for JWs wherever they might be.

When it comes to true believers, I would say NO! There are some that have become disgruntled and nonconformist that call themselves witnesses. We can see several examples here. I call those spies.

49 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

They haven't so far. And it looks bad when they meet and debate people who are knowledgeable, often times they tend to go for a novice and get them with a lot of gotcha questions and answers, example, on JW's using Jehovah, revised verses in the Bible, etc.

Even when the argument of charlatan was lobbied at Pastor Russell, they couldn't prove it. However, thus far, they haven't as you state. Perhaps when Satan interferes like he did when he had Bro Rutherford imprisoned on a false claim by the Catholic Church, it will.

The US would have to rewrite the constitution in order for that to happen. That doesn't mean the people vs Christianity won't be at the forefront. That will be the cause.

Meantime, in at least the US, courts are becoming more aware of apostate lies that implicate them. Usually, the higher courts side with the Watchtower after all said and done.

35 minutes ago, Audrey Kennedy-Tripp said:

The existence of wicked ones in the true organization being used by God should not surprise us. Jesus told us ahead of time the apostasy would happen. He also told us it would end. Jesus showed there would be organization, congregations with elders. He did not tell us to abandon it. He told us to "hold fast what you have until I come."

This is true. The poster is a good example of what true members have to deal with in their daily lives.

Luke 20:20 So they watched him and sent spies, who pretended to be sincere, that they might catch him in something he said, so as to deliver him up to the authority and jurisdiction of the governor.

Gal. 2:4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out sour freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—

I see @Witness has submitted the same old thing. Nothing new. But, If apostate is what apostate does, then @Witness is a good candidate. 😁

53 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

This is something Christians would have to be accustomed to when Babylon and the Beast actually make the major moves to attack true believers, especially in Tribulation End Times when they come.

True, since scripture indicates the deterioration of society toward the end. The same type of signs we can find within society today. This is also true when societies collapse for different reasons that we might have personal experience with. World troubles are not inclusive.

58 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Disgruntled EXJWs tend to forget although there is some who are excommunicated, they still speak with and commune with their families. the irony is if anyone says this among them, they are immediately attacked and or cast out.

Unfortunately, this is an apostate assumption of shunning. It appears, people have not learned the word definition of "DIS" and "FELLOWSHIP." The same conclusion with "expel" and "excommunicate" along with such words as disassociate. 

For instance, a witness family might reject a member NOT for being disfellowshipped, but for being a drug addict. There is plenty of worldly evidence, society does the same. What is the excuse that an apostate can make? Under societal conditions of human behavior, there is none. Yet, that's the propaganda being offered by people like @Witness here. No substance to the actual truth.

Now a person that voluntarily left the Org, whose to know other than close friends and relatives, if that person decided to leave his/her area. I could be speaking to an apostate in daily life and be unaware of it. That goes for a D'fd person. So, that ridiculous notion of shunning is nonsense. 

If family members don't want to associate with a family member that is a "drunkard", "drug addict", "homosexual", etc. That's on each individual to decide. Therefore, NO apostate activist can force ANYONE from accepting such behavior that is part of human condition.

Now, what if a family member doesn't want to associate with a former member that committed adultery? In some cases, a person marries another that had the affair with. Can apostates obligate others from having to speak with someone that used to be a family member by marriage? GET REAL!!!!

The only true nature apostates bring to the table is nonsense and stupidity. They overreach and never hit the mark when it comes to making a true argument.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

And that is where they will be meant with problems concerning Excommunication via what the Bible says. Likewise with anything affiliated with law and due process. Although the justice system is somewhat broken and imperfect, in some instances, justice is served. This is also in regards to other stuff.

As I stated in my previous post. I would love to hear the argument against 1 Corinthians 5:13.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

They have no argument against it. I have ran into religious folks to debate the Trinity, often times I run into political folks too. As for suicide it is a critical discussion, but some will try to use such an event to weaponize it against someone or something, even when in most cases, it is vastly different, for example, should a man leave the church to live an immoral life and is wronged by a woman, he commits suicide

I've heard this argument from the bench. It has become politically incorrect not to side with the masses. In this case, they are referring to homosexuality. A liberal intent to criminalize the bible. However, this shouldn't be a surprise when Christianity is being attacked on various fronts. However, the POPE making some concessions doesn't help true Chrisitans.

The true question should be, does a person feel suicidal because that person's family refuses to support that person's addiction, or because they won't speak to that person because they know only too well, that person doesn't care about anyone but that person's needs of addiction. Then it becomes a personal helplessness that compels the person instead of hopefulness if that person changed their ways.

Many witnesses have had that experience. If society doesn't support their addictions, why should a witness family? It then becomes an argument not of choice, but DEMAND by apostates. They want to "obligate" people that not even outsiders are willing to do. 

That is why, I cautioned. @Witness against such rhetoric. Rhetoric that can be challenged in a court of law, even if that person is not in the US.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

True, but their actions can cause an affect. We all need to be watchful if there is a threat nearby, or what I told John Butler, a Lion, or a Tiger in the field, granted with what was given to him as a warning concerning the UK, it is likely he may be dealing with indirect things as of late although in the past he tried to play it off, a normalcy bias mindset

When it comes to here, then Yes! It has an effect on apostates that are vocal. However, the Org has cautioned true believers to stay away from apostate sites or sites that promote apostasy.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Indeed, there are lines if crossed results in being a problem. It will also cause some people to be very very upset and angry at the same time.

When it comes to personal experience, I find that ex-witnesses have not found a good argument against the Watchtower bylaws. Simple reason: they are bible based.

8 hours ago, Witness said:

In Matthew 28:19,20 Jesus commanded us to get baptised in the name of ‘The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.’  Have you ever wondered why Jehovah’s Witnesses are baptised into an organisation?  Is this following Jesus’ command or are we actually committing an act of idolatry? 

This should have taught the letter writer that that person truly doesn't understand scripture since the letter writer sadly believes that person was baptized other than in the name of the spirit intended in Matthew. The same ignorance portrayed on the rest of the letter, if indeed an actual person wrote it and not just an apostate rendering of general thoughts of heresy.

It's a shame, this posting is nothing more than hearsay and the poster is conveying to the public the poster's believability should supersede above all other consciousness when this poster has NO credibility with scripture.

However, I would urge the letter writer to rethink the errors made in thinking of why the writer got caught up in apostasy to begin with. Perhaps as this poster indicates, hanging around apostates might be the influence as a root cause to a friend for those erred mistakes and troubles.

2Cor. 6:14 ¶ Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Cor. 6:15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

It may be somewhat equal in number to the 2017 protest at Warwick, minus a survivor/ex bible student being present. Permits can also be limited to a number of people.

It seems this poster speaks as though as being an ex-bethelite. 

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That was also the same timeframe of all the ANTIFA, BLM, nonsense that was going on.

Can a constitutional agenda be compared to a spiritual agenda? A recent Norwegian supreme court decision decided that a lower court could not interfere with a religion's bylaws. The question of "expulsion" was at the heart of that discussion.

Now, the preservation of human life is altogether different, unless a "liberal" is willing to accept that "expulsion" is somehow dangerous to human life. It would be a similar argument set forth by @Witness when that poster claimed spiritual suicide as a cloak to mean actual suicide by a former member that is expelled under religious grounds.

1 Corinthians 5:13 New International Version

13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you

That ideology by ex-witnesses of course is nonsense and should be challenged in court as defamatory rhetoric. Conservative people such as the makeup of the US Supreme Court might lean more to scripture than man's view of religious expulsion.

I would love to hear a liberal's argument against what is written in 1 Corinthians to somehow mean, a persons mental state WILL change to an extent of committing suicide for being removed by a religious sect for continuing to be immoral with no repentance and that person should be allowed to infect the rest of that religious church.

Other religious actions will undoubtedly be presented. However, allowing a gay priest to shepherd the sheep can be challenged as unscriptural.

ExJW's mental state should be at the forefront of that argument.

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

This is true, some of these politicians will have something to gain, should they do something, but Washington DC is a Blue State. Between both sides, although both crazy, The Democrats are very crazy.

While it might be true, this observation is political in origin and has nothing to do with the Watchtower, or its true members. It has an ideologue here but not in scripture.

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

People in the NY/NJ Borough area did NOT take kindly to that, so with the FBI and the officials watching and that was done, there will be hell to pay. Washington does NOT mess around with church disruption

There is a difference between protest and crime. Something ExJWs don't seem to understand with their activism. 

Simply put, those that received the lord in their hearts, and then revert to their old ways, are worse than ever knowing Christ teachings or God's words.

It speaks volumes about discrediting themselves after being enlightened with spiritual maturity then returning into spiritual infants even if they call themselves Christians.

1Cor. 14:20 ¶ Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.

Heb. 6:1 ¶ Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God.

Phil. 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Phil. 3:21 who will transform four lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

2Pet. 2:21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.