Moise Racette

Unfortunately, that's how he deals with facts. He makes up things as he goes along, and when he is caught, he lashes out. There can be only one winner, that would be him. Then he starts to insult and fight, just to get rid of people that challenge his kind of facts. None facts.

How is that Search coming along?

I can prove that riding a horse is not a sin, and a horse paralyzed and killed “Superman”, played by Christopher Reeves.
If God considered it a sin to endanger one’s life on a horse, he would have said so.
He did not.
Simple logic.
Same thing with suicide.
But … it’s not up to me to prove suicide is NOT a sin … it’s up to you to prove it IS a sin,  with specific, unambiguous Scripture addressing that specific point.
Since none exists, and there are three Biblical examples that contradict your false supposition, your only possible solution is to confuse and misapply.
Sometimes …. When you are in the “Arena of Ideas”, and all the blood in the sand is yours … it’s time to go home.

The is no record in the Bible that there is any punishment whatsoever for suicide, and many people go on “Suicide Missions” , knowing for a certainty that they are going to die, in duty to some perceived concept of the “greater good”.
Often we as bystanders view this a an honorable thing of courage and a sound mind, as well as a lamentable tragedy.
Jesus, of course, was the perfect example.

Since the hairs on our head are numbered, he is infinitesimally aware of our aches and pains…
The Bible repeatedly prohibits murder and defiling of one’s body. As our loving life-giver, He has offered to support us through ANYTHING 💖
“For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power”  🙏 Philippians 4:13
He would be very hurt if we trashed our gift of life…💔
As would be the brotherhood and our friends to a lesser degree 💔
Our fleshly family 💔

The last post indicates, EVERYONE in this world has a get out of jail free card. Meaning, they will be forgiven and brought back in resurrection because they simply committed suicide. No consequence. Reminds me of the Catholic Church.

When someone commits suicide, it's because they are not of sound mind, if perhaps only for that moment. Jehovah is not going to punish them for that. 

I very seriously doubt that Jehovah gets upset that much about our deaths, as he has the ability to in an instant restore any of us to perfect life and health with a casual thought. 
No loss to Him whatsoever!
Whatever He cares about is in his memory, completely untarnished.
All living things on Earth die, from microbe to Great Whale, without a single exception, since life began on this Earth. 
The supposition does not match reality.

As far as I am concerned, Moise, you can stay being as obnoxious as you want. I have no authority of any kind on this forum, don’t want any, and have never suggested you be bounced. 
 
 

“My homie, my friend, don’t keep your love on no shelf—I said, ‘don’t give me no lines and keep your bans to yourself.”

Because Wally McNasty’s arguments were always faulty, and quite obviously agenda driven, I always thought they were funny, in a tragically sad sort of way, and considered his many downvotes as unintended complements. 
I had absolutely nothing to do with Wally McNasty’ being bounced as his continuous vindictive sanctimonious insults I considered to be light entertainment. Especially when he went into spasm downvote mode where everything was someone else’s fault.
No…. Three times he tried to disguise what he was, and each time was thrown out with no input from me for being a slow learner.

Exactly, and for good reason.
Don't worry about "Noisy Raclette" (oh I do love that cheese, used to have it every weekend for a few weeks. It takes a while to eat when you get half the round). He has a few other names that he used to go by. Don't you Allen?

Where's yours. Just because a couple doesn't have the same last name doesn't mean anything in modern society. Also, aren't you the one placing laughing emojis everywhere? Scold yourself before you attempt meaningless rhetoric.
You people here seem to think, you own this forum, and you are the only ones that can comment. Flash, this is an open forum.
The day you people decide to act like Jehovah's Witnesses here by not associating yourselves with d'fd individuals just because you like them, I will start to.
Therefore, the better question is, who are you?

As long as you do not attack individual people you are completely free to attack ideas. So it is when your ideas get attacked. Turnabout is fair play.
Wally McNasty was bounced three times under three different screen names because the failure of his arguments drove him to vicious and hate laced ad-hominym attacks.

Where is your respect for truthful speech?! 
Every single news report told that Police said that they were MARRIED and FORMER MEMBERS of the Congregation. 
Why the contentious spirit? 
Who are you?

Now if you are referring to the word "degenerate" that I used to mean ex-witnesses, and you include yourself as well as others here, how clean is your conscience if you have to think that way?

I guess the poster is referring to himself. Spot on! 
 

With the posting of @Pudgy. The poster claims to be superior to God. I personally wouldn't think of it. I do have faith in the resurrection in case someone decides to end my life. 
Once again, does it matter if God is the ultimate judge?
This post has now become an embarrassment, by laughing at other people's pain. What kind of JW's are these people here?

With the posting of @Pudgy. The poster claims to be superior to God. I personally wouldn't think of it. I do have faith in the resurrection in case someone decides to end my life. 
Once again, does it matter if God is the ultimate judge?
This post has now become an embarrassment, by laughing at other people's pain. What kind of JW's are these people here?

Often this happens when the person has reached a resolution to follow through, given their first opportunity. Their paralyzing dilemma resolved, they can give the appearance that all is completely well.

Moise:
You are confusing two entirely different principles.
In the Bible, and today among every nation on Earth, warfare is NEVER CONSIDERED TO BE MURDER.
OTHERWISE … there could never be peace!
…..be a sport.
Actually look it up.
(…. and as an aside, you always revert to ad hominem attacks when your arguments are failing.)

@JW Insider I don't mind if you remove or delete my comments in order for this topic to go into "JW Closed Forum" I believe all the participants and posters here, aside from me are already members of that JW closed forum where even a d'fd person that is liked can participate unimpeded.
That's not the value of scripture with its application, but friendship of man, before God, is the norm in that forum.

Then the poster doesn't understand the biblical implication of what murder means to God. That opinion of murder in the eyes of man is meaningless.
That salty application also indicates, the poster has no faith in God's promise of resurrection. Human value.
ESV | 1 Ch 22:8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have waged great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed so much blood before me on the earth. 
God's righteous Justice is indisputable, not for any man.

I prefer leaving it here where people who have already read it and weighed in can continue to do so. Maybe just start another version of the same topic over there?

The Denver Post doesn't make any sense. If the pair was working together to harm Witnesses at the Kingdom hall, like Bonnie and Clyde, they would have died like Bonnie and Clyde, not murder-suicide.
But, just like anything that sparks speculation by disenchanted witnesses here, why don't people just invoke their right to free speech and be brave enough to let the Org know how they really feel about it. Then look to start your own religion, just like Some Israelites did when they started worshiping Baal.
Also, wordplay with the word "murder" doesn't make a difference.
(Matthew 5:21) 21 “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.. . .
 
Let's not start misrepresenting scripture to the public in what is considered self-defense to a Christian of Faith. Should Jesus have used the self-defense ideology to preserve his life?
It appears, this topic should have been entered in the "closed forum" so illogical participants could air their complaints about the Org in a private group setting.
The difference with Murder is, even thought you might NOT be judged by man's law with self-defense, you won't escape God's judgment, since God still considers it murder.
(James 2:10, 11) 10 For if anyone obeys all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against all of it. 11 For the one who said, “You must not commit adultery,” also said, “You must not murder.” If, now, you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of law. . .
Once again, let's not combine man's law and the bible with our own belief to justify an erred assumption. Murder is murder to God, justified or not, and a person will be judged for taking the life of another by God, justified or not.
That is why, people cannot apply that hypothetical in wartime to justify murder through war in order to preserve ones own life. Simply put, we should not place ourselves in a position to be judged just like those two individuals if they had a sinful motive.