Micah Ong

7 hours ago, Bible Speaks said:

26 "But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you." (John 14:26)

Yes the "Holy Spirit" not a "Spirit Directed Organization."

The word "Organization" does not appear in the Bible.

"Organization" and "Governing Body" are corporate titles.

According to the Jehovah's Witnesses only the "anointed" go to the Father through Jesus, the rest of the "great crowd" go through the anointed then Jesus then the Father so John 14:6 doesn't apply to you.  You pray personally to the Father through Jesus which is good but according to the doctrine you do not have a direct connection to Jesus and his Father.  Only the anointed do which is not based on scripture.

There are no anointed and non-anointed classes in scripture.  Christ means anointed and Jesus said there would be many Christ's(anointed plural).

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and they will provide great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

The Bible has been provided for people to know God's requirements. Has the Watchtower enlightened people beyond the words of Jesus? Is it not more accurate to say that what the Watchtower has said beyond that contained in the Bible has regularly been wrong and later changed? Information such as:

• Failed time prophecies
• Strange medical information and dangerous decrees such as that vaccinations and transplants are unchristian
• The changing stance on blood

By going beyond the guidelines given in the Scriptures on disfellowshipping, have not the Slave created a practice that has had a destructive effect on the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, dividing families for decades?

When a group of men claim special guidance from God as his sole representatives, they risk controlling people without justification, leading to disastrous results for the followers. Christians do well to keep in mind Bible warnings about following humans, and remember who their head really is.

"Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." Psalms 146:3

"But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3

@Allen Smith The one thing I have learned from all of this, is that we're all trying to serve a God of great mercy and deep love.  He is greater than our hearts and 'minds' and what Jesus says at Mark 12:30,31 is the most important thing.

Love covers a multitude of sins.

God is not limited to man's opinions of others or of him, as he is greater than our hearts and 'minds'.

No one has the perfect understanding of God's word or of him because man's understanding seems to have changed every so often, so I don't think he's going to hold that against sincere minded individuals.

He loves us so much he sent his only son for imperfect humans, so why would he hold it against us if we have an imperfect understanding of the scriptures.

Love and forgiveness seems to be what he is asking of us.

All the best brother

Agape love to everybody - Mark 12:30,31

15 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

So, regardless, how you wish to word it, (GOD) is the true Alpha and Omega, and (Lord) became like the Alpha and Omega through his sacrifice.

Jesus says of himself as verse 12 and verse 20 - of chapter 22 shows:

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” 

Does it say "he became" like the Alpha and the Omega or does it say "I am" the Alpha and the Omega?

Even if he became like him which it doesn't say, he is still saying of himself 'there was no one before him and he is eternal.'

Brother I only wish you peace but I must defend the Bible as well.

You say: That doesn’t mean Jesus didn’t have a beginning because he did. Jesus was created, and Jesus did have an END in human form.

You say this but to insert YWHW in the NT is going against what Rev 22:18 said not to do.

5 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

9 Therefore God (YHWH) exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him (JESUS) the name above all names.

So without doubt then Jesus name is above YHWH's name.

You say "That doesn’t mean Jesus didn’t have a beginning because he did."

But he says of himself: " I am the First and Last" at Revelation 1:17,18 

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

5 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

1.       Luke 4:7-8 (NASB) Context: The Temptation of Jesus

 7So if You worship me, it will all be Yours.” 8But Jesus replied, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

In Both instances, Luke is referring to YHWH, NOT Jesus, since Satan was tempting the son of man.

Your scripture contradicts Jesus being worshiped in many cases in scripture. " that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth" Your scripture highlights Jesus acting as an example for man not to worship Satan but to worship the true God.

5 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

2.       John 20:17 (NASB) Context: Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene

17“Do not cling to Me, Jesus said, “For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.

Jesus still had to ascend to the Father to be exalted. It was in heaven that he and the Father were worshiped together in Heaven.

Revelation 22:3 "...for the throne of God and of the Lamb will be there, and his servants will worship him."

also

John 5:18 "This made the Jews more determined than ever to kill Him, for not only was He breaking the Sabbath [from their viewpoint], but He was also calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."    The Jews knew of the promised son known as Mighty God and Eternal Father at Isaiah 9:6

5 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

3.       Revelation 19:10 (NASB) Context: The Marriage of the Lamb

10So I fell at his feet to worship him. But he told me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Ok you don't worship angels that's clear.  Yet Jesus is worshiped and is called Mighty God.  As I stated before they are both worshiped in Revelation and Philippians.

5 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

4.       Revelation 22:9 (NASB) Context: Jesus is Coming

9But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

That’s why it's emphasized twice in John’s vision NOT TO WORSHIP JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok it's clearly talking about the angel that Jesus sent.

Revelation 22:9,16 "I, John, saw and heard all these things, and fell down to worship the angel who showed them to me. v16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to you to tell the churches all these things."

But beforehand the disciples had worshiped him before he ascended to heaven.

Matthew 28:16,17 "Then the eleven disciples left for Galilee, going to the mountain where Jesus had said they would find him. 17 There they met him and worshiped him—but some of them weren’t sure it really was Jesus!

prosekynēsan = they worshiped

Every angel said no to this same act, but Jesus never did as you have bought out with those scriptures.

Sorry friend you can't get away from "that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth,"

That's worship.  And it's the Highest name God has placed for us and those in heaven!

I'm saying the Interlinear Bible not a translation is your ultimate source for scripture as it is a direct word for word from the original.

Again you are putting limitations on God and saying he is two entities when the scriptures mentioned say they are both eternal(one can't create the other for they have always existed.)  He is 3 persons in one and nothing is impossible with God.  Quantum Physics which is a demonstrable science is only on the fringes of what is known, shows that a particle can be in two places at once.  A particle can jump through time and space in an instant.  So how can we put limitations on God.

You say no one has seen God but Jesus says he that has seen me has seen the Father.  They could see Jesus because he was in the flesh but he had come from the Father of the God head.

10 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Now, how could Jesus raise the dead if he’s separated from his active power as a MAN?

Jesus said he and the Father were one.  So he was still connected to the Father and could use this power.

10 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

So, there would be NO need for Jesus to be deceptive by looking at the sky, and uttering those words. (empty expression) putting on a show for the purpose of whom? So, unless you want to conclude Christ to be mentally diseased, and a deceiver, from the beginning of creation by deceiving man that he is the true GOD(YHWH) and changes his mind and tells everyone he has changed it to (JESUS)

No it wasn't deception it was the gradual unfolding of the sacred secret of God.  Remember the apostles didn't understand it properly until after his resurrection.

The scriptures speak of them in the same way(again look at Interlinear to see original wording) - Jesus being the Everlasting Mighty God at Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 10:21 Jehovah as being the Mighty God.

The Jews knew Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 10:21 very well as it was there job to preserve the writings,  that's why they said this at:

John 5:18  This made the Jews more determined than ever to kill Him, for not only was He breaking the Sabbath [from their viewpoint], but He was also calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

10 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

unless you want to conclude Christ to be mentally diseased, and a deceiver, from the beginning of creation by deceiving man that he is the true GOD(YHWH) and changes his mind and tells everyone he has changed it to (JESUS)

@AllenSmithI didn't say it the Bible says it(but not being mentally diseased as you hypothetically state).

Isaiah 45:23  “I have sworn [an oath] by Myself, The word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God."

Philippians 2:9-11 "Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

You are stuck on a name.  It's the meaning of the name that was the focus. 

Unless you show me proof of  YHWH in the New Testament you are basing your whole beliefs on a corrupted Bible Translation, being the New World Translation.  Revelation 22:18

The fact is the New Testament fulfills the Old Testament.

Philippians 2:9,10 "...God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow [in submission], of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,..."

God has made Jesus the name that is above every other name, that's why YHWH is not in the New Testament.  God himself has instated this not me. 

Friend it's that simple.

4 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

I stand corrected. There is no reasoning with your ill-conceived notion of Christ being god since you keep implying scripture is simply a distraction from the real truth.

1.  "Humbled himself" does not mean he did anything wrong.  Philippians 2:5,6 conveys to us that Jesus emptied himself and became a man.  So in essence he lowered his form of Godliness to a lower form of a servant man.  He lowered himself to take on that role.  That's exactly how it reads in the Interlinear!

So when you read Genesis 18 it says Jehovah appeared to Abraham.  This means comes into sight right?  There are three men and all eat with Abraham.  Two go to Sodom and Gomorrah(Genesis 19:1) and remember the people wanted to rape the two angles meaning they were still in materialized bodies.  And Jehovah stays back with Abraham.  It  is simple maths 3 men at the start, 2 leave to Sodom and Gomorrah leaving one man with Abraham.  That's how it reads my friend - no twisting at all.

4 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

2.       There would be NO need for Jesus to be referring himself as the third person if he was the true god. Not to mention, that would also imply, man had the capability to (KILL) God if that makes any kind of sense. A Spirit that has no beginning or end, and you wish to demote this ultimate deity to be no different than false gods.

There would be because he had taken on the role as mediator and ransom(Lamb of God)!  Again Philippians 2:5,6 he lowered himself to become a servant man to fulfill this role.  Also he could be a perfect example as obedience to God for mankind. 

The Bible says that he gave up his spirit and not that man had taken(killed him) his life. Matthew 27:50. 

John 10:18 "No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back..."

^{John 2:19,21 "}Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up....He was speaking of the temple which was His body.”

He could not raise his body if his Spirit was dead or asleep.

1 Peter 3:18 "... having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;"

4 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Hebrews 7:3 Context: Melchizedek and Abraham

2and Abraham apportioned to him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness.” Then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother or genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God, he remains a priest for all time.

Again thank you for using another scripture to demonstrate the point of Jesus being eternal.  You highlight the point very nicely.  Of course Melchizedek did have a "father" and "mother" to be born.  But his parents weren't written down in genealogy.  So this was obviously written to illustrate that Jesus has no beginning or end.

Please take a look at these two passages in Revelation that illustrates Jesus being eternal.

Rev 1:7,8 "Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the earth will mourn over Him [realizing their sin and guilt, and anticipating the coming wrath]. ^[k]So it is to be. Amen.

⁸ “I am the Alpha and the Omega [the Beginning and the End],” says the Lord God, “Who is [existing forever] and Who was [continually existing in the past] and Who is to come, the Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all].”

We know the NWT puts Jehovah there instead of Lord but the context clearly shows it talking about Jesus from verse 7.  Nonetheless we will run with Jehovah for now.

Rev 1:17,18 "When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. And He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last , ¹⁸ and the Ever-living One [living in and beyond all time and space]. I died, but see, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of [absolute control and victory over] death and of Hades.

Jehovah = Alpha(first) and Omega(last) = the Beginning and the End - existing eternally.

Jesus = First and the Last = the Beginning and the End - existing eternally.

@AllenSmith Is it really that hard to believe God is not so dynamic but limited so as not to be Triune in nature?  The whole Bible gives the building blocks for this that is why man used the word trinity to explain what the Bible was painting.  If you don't you have contradictions with Jesus and Jehovah in the Old Testament and New Testament as we have discussed.

Do you believe that God is love to it's fullest degree and has always been whole and complete?

Would you agree that God did not need anyone and wasn't lonely as he has always been complete?

Would you agree that everything created is an expression and extension of him and his qualities and that he has always contained everything as unlimited potential?  We could exclude evil as it is not something new but separation from God just as darkness exists when there is no light.

Therefore if family came from God wouldn't it be fair to say that God was the first family, being Triune in nature?  He was never lonely as he has always been Triune, whole and complete?  Wouldn't the angelic family and the human family(man in his image Gen9:6) be an extension of him the first family who as always existed through eternity and through whom all things exist now.  His qualities of family have always existed as it as always been in his nature.

Do not put limitations on God, the scriptures have revealed the sacred secret of God.  It's not impossible for God to send forth an aspect of himself(The Son) to be man and pay the perfect price for us whilst still existing as the Father.  God has taken all our sins and experienced our pains to the full for us personally.  That is a massive gift and an unparallelled expression of love.  This is greater than sending a created being.

@Bible Speaks "I make my decisions by the Book."  if you did that fully you would worship Jesus the name that is above all other names.  That's what the book says at Acts 4:10-12.  The Father and the Son deserve that worship. 

The New Testament doesn't say give less to Jesus and more to the Father, if it does please show me.

I feel sorry for you that you can't accept the sacred secret of God.  You are missing out on the New Testament.  It is just that simple if you can't worship Jesus you are rejecting that part of the book.

@Bible Speaks Okay by the New World Translation(man's translation and interpretation) and not the direct Interlinear which is the inspired writings of God.  I pray that you come to love the truth. 

Showing a picture with a statement "I make my decisions by the BOOK!" is easy to say yet you provide no sound basis in doing so.

1 hour ago, AllenSmith said:

Without first considering Philippians 2:6 Context: The Attitude of Christ

Yes the context shows he humbled himself even though we was equal to God as I showed before with the Interlinear Bible.  So humility and obedience is the lesson here you can't top that as an example. 

1 hour ago, AllenSmith said:

John 10:29 (NASB) Context: The Unbelief of the Jews

29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

(John 14:28) You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

(Philippians 2:5-6)

⁵ Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, ⁶ who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal

Hmmm context.  Of course the Father was greater than he was for he humbled himself and became as a man at that point. 

The New World Translation twists Philippians 2:5,6 as you quote that verse.  Interlinear says: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/philippians/2.htm

"Christ Jesus who in the form of God subsisting not something to be grasped esteemed it to be equal with God but himself emptied the form of servant..."

The NWT doesn't trump the original Kingdom Interlinear(koine greek) which the Watchtower uses as well.

This clearly shows that he lowered himself to be as a man with the limitations of a man, so at that point in time of course the Father was Greater at that point in time.

Of course no man can see God in his spirit form.  His light is too powerful for our physical body.  No man can see God in his spirit form and live.  Abraham could see God because he manifested himself as a man with two other angels as Genesis 18:1-19:1 reads.  How else does he wash his feet and give him something to eat? 

Men were not to worship angels but Jesus never denied worship especially in Revelation Chapter 5.  Exodus 34:14 would be a contradiction to Revelation chapter 5 if Jesus were not equal to God.

Yes if Jesus were "a god" Exodus 34:14 would be conflicting with the worship being given to him at Revelation chapter 5; Phillipians 2:10; Matthew 2:11; 28:9; John 20:28.

He never rejected any worship unlike the Angel at Revelation 19:9-10 and Peter at Acts 10:25-26.

prosekynēsan
προσεκύνησαν
worshiped

variations of this word(like worshiped) are used, not obeisance as the NWT translates

2 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Here you seem confused as to the level of deity Jesus Became. Are you implying Jesus is GOD?

Well the scriptures seems to indicate he shares the same nature and the scriptures show the very nature and time of God and Jesus. see Rev 1:8 & 1:18 and also Philippians 2:7 says he was divinely equal.  See Kingdom Interlinear

As for the NWT, it actually references Jesus as Jehovah in it's own translation using the Hebrew J versions of the Bible intermittently to reference Jehovah and Jesus in the New Testament. 

This example highlights where they reference Jehovah in Isaiah but then reference it to Jehovah and Jesus in the following scriptures:

Isaiah 45:22-24 says;

"Turn to me and be saved, all YOU [at the] ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no one else. By my own self I have sworn-out of my own mouth in righteousness the word has gone forth, so that it will not return-that to me every knee will bend down, every tongue will swear, saying, 'Surely in Jehovah there are full righteousness and strength.

This is paraphrased at both Romans and Philippians. Whereas in Romans Jehovah is inserted in the NWT, in Philippians it is not, as to do so would result in equating Jesus with Jehovah.

Romans 14:11 "For it is written: "'As I live,' says Jehovah, 'to me every knee shall bend down, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.'""

Philippians 2:9-11 "For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

I'm saying the Bible says Jesus is the means of sanctifying his father, as well as gathering all things back to the father.  That's what Philippians 2:9-12 says along with the New Testament.  Do not underestimate the Lambs role, please see Rev 5:11-14

¹¹ Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and [the voice] of the living creatures and the elders; and they numbered myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands (innumerable), ¹² saying in a loud voice,

“Worthy and deserving is the Lamb that was sacrificed to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”

¹³ And I heard every created thing that is in heaven or on earth or under the earth [in Hades, the realm of the dead] or on the sea, and everything that is in them, saying [together],

“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb (Christ), be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”

¹⁴ And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped [Him who lives forever and ever].

All created things worship them both.  If the Lamb was a created arch angel then he would be worshiping with the other angels as well.  No where in the Bible does Jesus worship the Father - see Rev 4:8-11.  The Bible states that the Son created all things Colossians 1:16. 

Remember also firstborn can mean heir to the inheritance or belongs to, just as King David was firstborn to Jesse even though he was the youngest.  The Bible was highlighting his heir to the throne.  No where does it say Jesus was created or had a beginning as Rev 1:18 shows.

Also the difference between being born and being created is one comes forth and one is made.  Jesus was not created nor do the scriptures say he had a beginning.

 

@Witness wow beautiful scripture, what "good news of peace" that is!

The nation of Israel and foreigners who attached themselves to that nation certainly addressed Almighty God as YHWH.  That applied to the old covenant.  Isaiah 43:10

The true God has now opened up himself to all the nations now with the new covenant.  No where in the new testament is anyone addressing the Father as YHWH.  Jesus name means Ya saves!  He wants us to be witnesses of that name.

We are in the new covenant now Isaiah 62:2 is fulfilled in Jesus. " And you will be given a new name by Jehovah's own mouth."

We can't be stuck in the old Jewish way of things Matt 9:16,17  The old covenant is now fulfilled in the new covenant.

That new name from Isaiah 62:2 is 'Jesus' witnesses or Christians, followers of Christ.  Philippians 2:9,10; Acts 4:10-12

Yes we are admonished to bow to Jesus name that is above every name.  Will we or will we go back to the old covenant?  Can we ignore scriptures like Philippians 2:9,10 and stick to mere sentiment handed down from a teaching from men.

@Queen Esther The Bible has the right answer Acts 4:12 says there is no other name.

@Bible Speaks Again no YHWH, he is addressed as the Father in the scripture you have just quoted.  This scripture Matt 24:36 does not say YHWH is the name above every other name.

That scripture only shows that while Jesus was on earth he did not know the day or the hour.  The Watchtower even says Jesus would know by now.

The scriptures I have previously shown, clearly demonstrate the name Jesus is the most high name now.  That's why he said to Paul and others you will be "witnesses of me".  He didn't say witnesses of Jehovah through me.  Again the "bible speaks"!

Acts 1:8, Acts 9:15

Philippians 2:9,10 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,¹⁰ that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

@Bible Speaks Wow everything I have showed you is based on God's Word not my own idea.  Philippians 2:9,10 is clear as daylight.  You can't go against Gods word.  The "bible speaks" for itself.  How else do you explain Philippians application?  The name Jesus is above the name Jehovah.  The New Testament is God's final Revelation and message, not the Old Testament where YHWH is found.  You can't show any of the earliest manuscripts of the New Testament showing the Divine name.

Jesus is the name borne witness to.

• Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel."
  
  Acts 1:8 "YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."

Jesus is the name used to expel demons.

• Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"

Jesus is the subject of the kingdom good news.

• Galatians 1:7 "But it is not another; only there are certain ones who are causing YOU trouble and wanting to pervert the good news about the Christ."

Jesus name invokes persecution, yet Jehovah's Witnesses claim their persecution in the Name of Jehovah fulfills prophecy.

• Matthew 24:9 "Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name."

Jesus name alone is the means of salvation.

• Acts 4:10-12 "… let it be known to all of YOU and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz‧a‧rene′, whom YOU impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of YOU. This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”"

On 4/23/2017 at 6:49 PM, Aaron Mathewson said:

But after they saw the need and started basing their "prophecies" on scripture and only predicting what was obvious from the Bible, everything they have said has come true.

No because they are fundamentally flawed with the false prophecy of 1914.  They retain that as the time the end was meant to come then again in 1918 then 1925 then 1975.  The mansion Beth Sarim built for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's return, which Rutherford spent time in was sold after he died.  No end of system and resurrection occurred. They are flawed from the outset as spokes persons for Jehovah.  

Deut 18:22 "When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him."

How is Jesus head of that congregation from 1919 when all these things were happening?

John 14:26 "But the ^[d]Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will help you remember everything that I have told you."

The Holy Spirit does not teach things and then flip flop and make adjustments, especially false prophecies.

At the time Jesus said that the Jews were his audience and they already new God's name YHWH.  The point Jesus was trying to make is that the Person of the true God be made Holy.  Not that he isn't Holy, but the Jews and other Pagan religions but speaking to the Jews only - had misrepresented God.  Through Jesus, God's will and personality is being sanctified and we support that by being followers of Jesus Christ.

Acts 1:8 "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my(Jesus) witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Romans 10:14 "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?"

Romans doesn't make sense because the Jews and of course Christian Jews already knew Gods name and believed in him.

Romans does make sense if it is describing Jesus not YWHW as Christian Greek scriptures clearly show.

Romans 10:9  If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Philippians 2:9,10 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,¹⁰ that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Philippians clearly shows Jesus is the highest name without doubt.  YHWH is in the old Testament only and pertains to the old covenant only.  Jesus pertains to the new covenant and Philippians supports this along with the rest of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Jesus addressed him as "our Father", and he didn't say 'your name Jehovah be sanctified' nor anywhere else in the gospels or for that fact in the New Testament is YHWH ever mentioned.

@Bible Speaks ok that's great but please tell me why the Kingdom Interlinear does not contain the divine name?

@Eoin Joyce  Yes the Governing Body of the book publishing organization.  The Corporation now known as JW.ORG.

The Leaders of a cult, oh I mean  the men taking the lead.  One would have to be deluded to keep following these men and not just Christ himself.  They just keep on keeping on with the same drone indoctrination techniques.  How is it a Bible study when all the questions and answers are there for you. 

F.O.G  Fear obligation and guilt are the tools used.

 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavily burdened [by religious rituals that provide no peace], and I will give you rest [refreshing your souls with salvation]. ²⁹ Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me [following Me as My disciple], for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest (renewal, blessed quiet) for your souls. ³⁰ For My yoke is easy [to bear] and My burden is light.”

Ok thanks for the clarification.

I'm finished because this isn't bringing out the best in me. 

25 minutes ago, Eoin Joyce said:

Yeah. They're just like that apostle Peter they keep banging on about! Birds of a feather!

Well it's all there for you to see, if you do not want to pay attention that's your choice, but you can't say you haven't been informed.  We all the have the God given gift of free will.  But I really can't understand what your saying so I may have jumped the gun.

It's good to get as much reliable information you can have before making most decisions is all that I can say for now.  Especially important ones.

@WitnessRight that would be around the time that Jesus or Jehovah refined and cleansed a people for his name yet, despite the failures of 1914 and 1925, Rutherford continued stating that the earthly resurrection was about to happen. In 1929, he authorised the purchase of Beth-Sarim, a house for Abraham and other resurrected Princes to live in.  Of course this failed to eventuate but Rutherford spent a lot of time there before he died and it was sold afterward.  ANOTHER FAILED PROPHECY.

You can read about the whole debacle that includes all Watchtower articles and references yet you don't hear about it in the God's Kingdom Rules book.  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php

How can Jesus have refined and be directing this group if they keep making failed prophecies.  It's a house of cards brother, don't keep buying into this false light.  The generation prophecy is ridiculous.  If you look at the Queens family there are four generations.

But I know how powerful this brainwashing is.  I grew up in it and am 34 now.  By the way I loved studying and still do and I love the Bible even more now.

Thank you @bible speaks that is a lot of information.

You start off by showing in Revelation that Jehovah says the he is the first and the last, well Jesus says that of himself too at Revelation 1:17,18 "When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.
And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave."

Remember too that Jehovah is not in the Koine Greek manuscripts as the Kingdom Interlinear clearly shows.  If he wanted that name in the New Testament he would of made it known in the earliest manuscripts, so it doesn't read 'Jehovah' is the Alpha and the Omega.  If you look in the Kingdom Interlinear, it uses the same Greek words for Lord and God in Revelation 1:8 that it uses in John 20:28 where Thomas says Jesus my Lord(Kupios) and my God(Oeos).

As for being the firstborn of all Creation

I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth (Psalm 89:27).

In this example the term firstborn obviously speaks of preeminence in rank. David was preeminent among the kings of Israel. However he was not the oldest, or firstborn, in his family. David was in fact the youngest. Therefore in this context, the idea of firstborn among the kings has the idea of preeminence and does not have the idea of time.

It Has The Idea Of Preeminence In The Book Of Colossians

In the passage in Colossians the idea of Jesus as firstborn means that He is preeminent over creation not that He is a created being. This can be seen from the verses that follow.

For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (Colossians 1:16,17).

Jesus is clearly called the Creator of all things. Consequently He could not have been the first thing created.

Jesus Has Preeminence Over The Dead

Jesus is also called the firstborn from the dead.

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth (Revelation 1:5).

Jesus was the first person in time to come back from the dead never to die again. In addition, He is preeminent over the dead and death itself. Jesus said that He has the keys, or the authority, to death and Hades.

I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades (Revelation 1:18).

Jesus Is The Firstborn Over All Creation

There is one final thing. Colossians 1:15 could be better translated in the following manner.

And he is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

This translation emphasizes that Jesus is preeminent "over" His creation. This is to be preferred to the translation of "the firstborn of all creation" which gives the impression that Jesus is a created being.

Summary

Jesus is called the firstborn of all creation. This does not mean that He is a created being. The idea is that Jesus has preeminence over all creation.

The word translated, "firstborn" can refer to preeminence in rank or preeminence in time. The context will determine. In the Psalms David is called the "firstborn" among the kings even though he was the youngest son of his father. In this context, firstborn can only refer to rank.

Jesus is called the firstborn in the sense that He is over all of creation. This is made clear by the following verses in which it says that He is the Creator. Therefore a better translation would be that Jesus is the firstborn, "over all of creation."

Consequently there is no idea here of Jesus being someone who was created.

Mighty God Isaiah 9:6

Jesus is said to be Mighty God in Isaiah 9:6.

Then in the next chapter Jehovah is said to be Mighty God.

Isaiah 10:20,21

20 In that day those remaining of Israel
And the survivors of the house of Jacob
Will no longer support themselves on the one who struck them;
But they will support themselves on Jehovah,
The Holy One of Israel, with faithfulness.
21 Only a remnant will return,
The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.

Abraham saw Jehovah when he was manifest in the flesh

Genesis 18:1-19:1

You can't see Jehovah in his Godly form as a human but Abraham saw Jehovah and two other angels as they appeared in human form!

The scriptures are clear on this please let them speak to you clearly.

You say Jesus said it was Jehovah your God you must worship but he never said Jehovah's name, that's not in the Koine Greek Manuscript.  Remember you can only reference Jehovah in the Hebrew scriptures, Jehovah is not in the Christian Greek Scriptures.  If it was we would have proof and they would be in the Koine Greek manuscripts.  Again If Jehovah wanted his name in the earliest manuscripts he would of preserved it in them.

But again the Watchtower takes it upon themselves to place it in there under assumptions, not based on God's ability to preserve his name.  He used it in the Hebrew scriptures because it was meant to be there so if he wanted to have it in the Christian Greek Scriptures he would have done so.  It is not meant to be there!