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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Thank you, Srecko.  I heard this too and really can't get his blasphemy out of my mind. (Rev 13:5)
    So, it would be “pointless” to find out just who are Christ’s “ambassadors”, (2 Cor 5:20) since the only names one needs to know (according to Malenfant) are those of the GB.  And, since it is a “very private matter”, what JW would dare talk to one of these other ambassadors? 
    Rejecting the ambassadors/members of Christ’s body, is a rejection of Christ.  This is an absolutely stunning statement by Malenfant.  No other members of the Body, are apparently needed.  But, it’s been this way for a long while, since a “wicked slave” and its spiritually “drunk” elder body have worked together to beat down the Body of Christ, while exalting the body of elders.  Everyone, in every congregation knows exactly who the elders are. Matt 24:48-51
    The anointed are allowing the GB/elders to cut them off from their Head, Jesus Christ. Their Master, their Head, has become the GB, who defies scripture concerning the anointed Body of Christ.
    “They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.”  Col 2:19
     “For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.”  Rom 12:4,5
     “Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.”
    “so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. “  1 Cor 12:7,25
     
    “He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.”  Dan 8:25
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Malenfant:
    “We don’t need to know the names of all of the anointed on earth today.”
    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”
    The Greek word here interpreted as “know”:
    ἐπιγινώσκω epiginṓskō, ep-ig-in-oce'-ko; from G1909 and G1097; to know upon some mark, i.e. recognize; by implication, to become fully acquainted with, to acknowledge:—(ac-, have, take)know(-ledge, well), perceive.
    It is imperative for each of us to “know”, during our lifetime, who the anointed are, and what these “trees” teach.  We are to recognize their fruits as either good or bad – good from Jesus Christ; bad from the Father of the lie.  (John 8:44; Luke 6:45)  Thus, we come to “know” that anointed one, and what he or she teaches. ( Mal 2:7) 
     “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”   Matt 10:40-42
    We cannot “welcome” any anointed disciple of Christ, if we are told to avoid them as an anointed teacher of Christ.  This includes knowing their name and the fruit they are to produce.  
    When I was a JW, I thought that by providing, as an example, a place for an anointed one and his family to live in, was giving them a “cup of cold water”.  Jesus is the source of “living water”. (John 7:38) Those who remain “in Christ” will have that same “living water” flowing from their heart. In turn, anyone who “receives” these teachers producing “good fruit”, give back that living water that flows from their own heart as well, from their recognition of teachings produced in harmony with Christ’s truths.
    The fruit they produce, signifies their “daily/regular sacrifices”/”constant feature” offered before God.  1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; Rom 12:1; Rev 7:15
    With smooth, seemingly “righteous” words, Malenfant aids in the “trampling” of the anointed priests/Temple “stones” in the organization. His words support the termination of each anointed one's sacrifices to be made before God.  Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; Dan 12:11; 2 Thess 2:4
    "His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the regular sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.”  Dan 11:31
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I feel that the majority of the "anointed" leaders of the organization from the beginning, were genuinely anointed to fulfill prophesy.  (Matt 5:14; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:10,11; Matt 24:24)   Yet, I am not thoroughly convinced that all of today's GB members are.  When Malenfant said the above, how can one be totally convinced that each GB member is anointed when (someone correct me if I'm wrong) there is no account of any of their anointing experiences?  And why shouldn't there be? We have an incredible account in the Bible that all in the area witnessed its effect.  (Acts 2:1-3)  JWs are said to be honest in all things.  To say, "we are convinced" with no comment made by these men of their anointing experience is deceptive.  JWs are to take their word for it, but ignore any "word" from a genuine anointed in the organization.  The persuasive argument that Malenfant made is a war of words against the genuine anointed. (Rev 13:7)  In this case, it is one-sided unless a true anointed of God stands up and exposes truth outlined in scripture.  I so wish more would do so.
    "Go now, write it on a tablet for them,
        inscribe it on a scroll,
    that for the days to come
        it may be an everlasting witness.
    9 For these are rebellious people, deceitful children,
        children unwilling to listen to the Lord’s instruction.
    10 They say to the seers,
        “See no more visions!”
    and to the prophets,
        “Give us no more visions of what is right!
    Tell us pleasant things,
        prophesy illusions.
    11 Leave this way,
        get off this path,
    and stop confronting us
        with the Holy One of Israel!”
    12 Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message,
        relied on oppression
        and depended on deceit,
    13 this sin will become for you
        like a high wall, cracked and bulging,
        that collapses suddenly, in an instant.
    15 This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says:
    “In repentance and rest is your salvation,
        in quietness and trust is your strength,
        but you would have none of it.
    18 Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you;
        therefore he will rise up to show you compassion.
    For the Lord is a God of justice.
        Blessed are all who wait for him!
    19 People of Zion, who live in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. How gracious he will be when you cry for help! As soon as he hears, he will answer you. 20 Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.” 22 Then you will desecrate your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, “Away with you!”  (Isa 30)
    Every priest under Christ, is to be a "teacher" of God's word, obedient to the teachings of Christ and not to those of men.  
     “For the lips of a priest (1 Pet 2:5,9) ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth."  Mal 2:7
    JWs are not allowed to do this, and the anointed are not allowed to act as priests as outlined in scripture.
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Yes  @Witness , you do preciously*, exactly summarized in a few words main message that this JW elder send to JW people.
    No one else of "anointed" around the world is/represents nothing in WTJWorg, but only few of them in GB behaves as head of Organization and elevates themselves above all other anointed in the Body. It seems they acting as Head of Body or at least as the Neck (as in joke, man is head of his wife but she is the neck who rotate head )) 
    PS
     * precisely!
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Thank you, Srecko.  I heard this too and really can't get his blasphemy out of my mind. (Rev 13:5)
    So, it would be “pointless” to find out just who are Christ’s “ambassadors”, (2 Cor 5:20) since the only names one needs to know (according to Malenfant) are those of the GB.  And, since it is a “very private matter”, what JW would dare talk to one of these other ambassadors? 
    Rejecting the ambassadors/members of Christ’s body, is a rejection of Christ.  This is an absolutely stunning statement by Malenfant.  No other members of the Body, are apparently needed.  But, it’s been this way for a long while, since a “wicked slave” and its spiritually “drunk” elder body have worked together to beat down the Body of Christ, while exalting the body of elders.  Everyone, in every congregation knows exactly who the elders are. Matt 24:48-51
    The anointed are allowing the GB/elders to cut them off from their Head, Jesus Christ. Their Master, their Head, has become the GB, who defies scripture concerning the anointed Body of Christ.
    “They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.”  Col 2:19
     “For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.”  Rom 12:4,5
     “Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.”
    “so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. “  1 Cor 12:7,25
     
    “He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.”  Dan 8:25
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    As @JW Insider emphasized about reasonableness, i would look at Jesus words and on practicing his words with little caution. Pharisees commanded  not to work on Sabbath, for example.
    .... Well, Jesus done the opposite and he did not participate in do all the things they tell you. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    It seems how WT Society have only one group of "anointed generation", and that is present GB. In his morning worship talk Mr. Malenfant explained this:
    "we don't need to know all names of the anointed on earth today, ....
    ... in our congregations we see the emblems being passed and we can see individuals partaking in ...
    ...it would be pointless to try and ascertain  who among God's servants will eventually be part of 144000. The final judgement and sealing of the anointed is very private matter between JHVH and individual anointed ones......
    .. and i might also add at this point. Even though we don't know about that personal relationship that comes about, we don't experience it ourselves, but we are convinced, for example, that the members of the GB have the heavenly calling." 
    Mr Malenfant is person who can control his curiosity about things no one knows, not even he, but it seems how he knows all about that personal relationship and very private matter  that supposedly exist between GB members and JHVH.
    :)))  and he try to manipulate audience with this "confidential information".
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    It is an illogical thought to think I prefer to be part of the "man of lawlessness" that "sits" in the Temple of God.
    TEMPLE:
    1 Pet 2:5 - "you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    SPIRITUAL HOUSE:
    Eph 2:20-22: having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."
    DWELLING PLACE:
    1 Cor 3:16,17 - "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
    WHO DEFILES THE TEMPLE?
    2 Thess 2:3,4 - "Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."
    Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
    WHO STANDS IN THE TEMPLE?
    Rev 11:1,2 - "I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. "
    "Gentile" elders judge anointed "Israel", the Temple "living stones" of God.  It is written down in the WT that their rulership cannot be "challenged".
    I hope every elder who loves righteousness, will leave the organization.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    As mere humans, it appears that way.  Even so, insurrection is caused not only by disagreement with the way a rulership is run, but also the lust to obtain power over the existing authority.  This has happened frequently in the world’s politics.  The GB’s admittance that they are not “inspired”, obviously leaves them spiritually defenseless to a huge army of elders, with the addition of selected anointed, "ten kings", who expose “her” sins.  “God will put it into their hearts” to take the GB down. Rev 17:17  If God's spirit was involved in exposing sins of Israel in the past, why would He refuse to do so now?  
    “And when you are plundered, What will you do? Though you clothe yourself with crimson, Though you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, Though you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you will make yourself fair; Your lovers will despise you; They will seek your life.”  Jer 4:30
    “These dogs have fierce appetites; they never have enough. And they are shepherds who have no discernment; all of them turn to their own way, every last one for his own profit.”  Isa 56:11
    "They will treat you with hatred, take all you have worked for, and leave you stark naked, so that the shame of your debauchery will be exposed, both your depravity and promiscuity. 30 "These things will be done to you because you acted like a prostitute with the nations, defiling yourself with their idols”. Ezek 23:29,30
    “This is your lot,
    The portion of your measures from Me,” says the Lord,
    “Because you have forgotten Me
    And trusted in falsehood.
    26 Therefore I will uncover your skirts over your face,
    That your shame may appear.” Jer 13:25,26
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    The definition was from Strong's concordance of the Bible
    It is "lawlessness" to replace God's anointed priesthood with elders not anointed. (2 Thess 2:3,4)   It is a "disgusting thing" "standing where it does not belong" (Mark 13:14), in the "Temple" of God. (1 Cor 3:16,17) (Rev 11:1,2)
    God's "chosen" people ARE the priesthood.
    Isa 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    That you may know and believe Me,
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    Nor shall there be after Me."
    1 Pet 2:9 "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy."
    Again, God's true "witnesses" comprise the priesthood, which has been replaced and pushed into a discreet corner. They must be silenced.   Satan's goal is to destroy them, and he uses false prophets to "seduce" them into believing they have obtained "peace and security" within the idol/organization.  (1 Thess 5:3)  He seduces them with a flood of lies.  (Rev 12:25) (Rev 16:13,14)
    It is amazing that my comment on falsehoods spoken by WT's leaders  was not even addressed.  
    Jezebel killed God' prophets.  Today, the anointed and anyone who desires to leave falsehoods are spiritually "killed".  (Rev 13:15)  Revelation's "Jezebel" misleads God's chosen slaves.  Rev 2:20   If they are in the Watchtower, they will not be misled by any nation or ruler in the world.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    Will the GB be fired?
    “Jezebel”: 
    Ἰεζαβήλ Iezabḗl, ee-ed-zab-ale'; of Hebrew origin (H348); Jezabel (i.e. Jezebel), a Tyrian woman (used as a synonym of a termagant or false teacher):—Jezabel.
    The GB uphold past leaders who misled thousands with false teachings.  They speak highly of Russel and of Rutherford.   What sort of person “in Christ” would condone such behavior? Would God? No.   Would the Holy Spirit?  No.  Would Christ?  No. So, why is it that millions of people allow the GB to get away with it?  They are “seduced”.  God’s anointed are seduced by false teachers in the last days. (Matt 24:24) Think about it.  If you grasp on to a teaching and are told it is “the truth”, then proceed to carry it to others only to find out a few years later that it was a falsehood, you were seduced…by false teachers.  And, you were attempting to seduce others with the same falsehood. 
    Falsehoods permeate the organization.  How can any JW not admit this?  Because, these lies are not called falsehoods by its leaders (yet they will point out falsehoods in Christendom).  They are called “adjustments”, and “beliefs clarified”.  Where in His word, does it say that God calls a lie, an “adjustment”, and that its okay to dismiss it and continue listening to more falsehoods?  Jer 23:16 points out that "visions of their own heart" make the hearer "worthless". Every failed date is a false "vision".   Is this what good spiritual food is all about?  
    JWs have been spiritually seduced by a Jezebel/Harlot.  It’s called spiritual drunkenness.  (1 Thess 5:7; Rev 17:1,2)  If they were “awake”, they would see that a lie is a lie…always.  JWs are taught not to lie, yet their leaders can lie, and they are excused for it.  This is insanity, and cognitive dissonance. 
    Is it ethical to dismiss the severity of lies spoken in the name of God? Is it spiritually moral, or immoral?   
    A spiritually immoral person is a “harlot”, a “Jezebel”. At one time God called His nation a Harlot. (the book of Hosea)  Do JWs think their leaders are immune to God's judgments who also tell falsehoods just as easily as God's people did in the past?  They told lies and practiced idolatry.  Satan is busier than ever before to deceive "the elect".  It is only through demonic deceit that one can believe they live in truth, yet speak a lie.  
    But I have this against you: You tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and teaches and deceives my servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat meat sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she does not want to repent of her sexual immorality. 22 Look, I will throw her into a sickbed and those who commit adultery with her into great affliction. Unless they repent of her works, 23 I will strike her children with a plague. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. Rev 2:20-23
    Do you see this?  The “works”, (especially of the anointed “Israel”), of those who represent an organization that still supports false prophets and falsehoods spoken by false teachers today, are being examined by Christ.   Does this mean anything to any JW?  Rev 3:15-18; Rev 11:1,2
    The organization is an idol. Rev 13:1,2  As long as JWs support it and the leaders who expect due admiration to “Jehovah’s organization”, they are idolaters. Rev 13:4   Some JW mentioned recently that it “isn’t the organization” but the recognition of the “slave” God has appointed to lead His people that is of vital spiritual importance.   What does the GB teach, but “organization” and its necessity for one’s salvation?  They are inseparable. Rev 13:11-14  Would a “faithful slave” of God teach truth on the one hand and uphold an organization rife with falsehoods on the other?  How is this faithful to TRUTH?
    He feeds on ashes. His deceived mind has led him astray, and he cannot rescue himself, or say, “Isn’t there a lie in my right hand?”  Isa 44:20 
    The Beast with two horns from the Earth is not symbolic for two political rulers of the world that WT teaches.  I didn’t realize until recently, that they didn’t equate this false prophet as the same entity as the Harlot of Rev 17:1,2   They are the same identity.  This harlot rides the Beast of Rev 13:1, the very same Beast that the false prophet of Rev 13:11 directs.  She’s in charge of the Beast/organization.
    The GB is in charge of the “spirit’breathed”/spirit-directed organization.  Rev 13:15
    Rev 13:11 –  "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.“
    A lamb - a young sheep.  We can use the scriptures to understand that this is a false prophet, not two political rulers:
    “Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.”  Matt 7:15
    They come from the anointed congregation of Christ:
    “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.  30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. “
    “For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!”  2 Cor 11:4
    Did the apostles preach “organization”?  Or, did they preach truth in Christ?  Did they tell lies and later call them “adjustments”?  They were “faithful slaves” overseeing food distribution of God’s household.  Did they label themselves that?  Or, did their works and words of truth prove they were faithful?  Matt 24:45-51
    In Rev 13:11, “horn” represents kings (Rev 17:12) – not those found in politics, but they are Christ’s kings. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)  He is the “king of kings” – of his anointed kings. Rev 17:14  Kings in Satan’s world are not on par with Christ’s kings. They have no play in Armageddon, a decisive battle of truth against lies. Joel 3:14  Those “kings” among the anointed “from your own number”, draw away other anointed through spiritual seduction – demonic expressions.  Rev 16:13-16
    The Beast from the Earth represents a succession of false teachers/”Jezebel “of Revelation 2 that mislead the children of “Israel”. (Rev 2:14)
    These “two horns” – two kings – appear to represent “truth”.
    “Even in your law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.”  John 8:17
    Gerrit Loesch stressed, “do you trust me?  I hope you do”.  Apparently, you must trust him, because God and Jesus do.  I wonder how he knows this, if he isn’t inspired. But, JWs trust him, nonetheless.  Rev 8:10,11  Is it necessary for a “faithful slave” of Christ to ask such a question? Jesus said we would “know them by their fruits” – their teachings; and his teachings condone the teachings of false prophets.  Matt 7:15-20
     
    So, what eventually happens to this harlot? Well, what happened to “Queen” Jezebel? 
    ”When Jehu”…(the tenth King of the northern tribe of Israel)…
    …came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard about it, so she painted her eyes, fixed her hair, and looked down from the window. 31 As Jehu entered the city gate, she said, “Do you come in peace, Zimri, killer of your master?”
    32 He looked up toward the window and said, “Who is on my side? Who?” Two or three eunuchs looked down at him, 33 and he said, “Throw her down!” So they threw her down, and some of her blood splattered on the wall and on the horses, and Jehu rode over her.”
    God used eunuchs servants of the king to kill Jezebel.  The harlot false prophet of Rev 13:11 is spiritually “killed” by “ten kings” not sealed by God as His faithful kings.  They, along with the Beast organization will “eat her flesh and burn her with fire”. 
    The GB will be dismissed, disfellowshipped, hidden away; however it happens, the organization will take on a new combined leadership of anointed and elders not anointed.
     “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 
    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”  Rev 17:12,13, 15-18
    The religions of the world do not target the “saints”/anointed because they don’t know who they are.  Only those in the Watchtower are aware of their existence.  Judging them as spiritually “dead” for rejecting false christs is, in Revelation, the shedding of spiritual “blood”.  Rev 17:3-6
    Rev 18:4-8 tells God’s people, “Israel” to leave, to get out; otherwise, they share in the sins of the Harlot.  Each heart and mind is examined for what we love.  2 Thess 2:9-12  How does anyone stand before Christ in confidence, when he asks why we supported false prophets and the lie that an organization built in the adversary’s domain, can lead one to truth? 
     
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/jezebel.html
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    It is an illogical thought to think I prefer to be part of the "man of lawlessness" that "sits" in the Temple of God.
    TEMPLE:
    1 Pet 2:5 - "you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    SPIRITUAL HOUSE:
    Eph 2:20-22: having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."
    DWELLING PLACE:
    1 Cor 3:16,17 - "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
    WHO DEFILES THE TEMPLE?
    2 Thess 2:3,4 - "Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."
    Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
    WHO STANDS IN THE TEMPLE?
    Rev 11:1,2 - "I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. "
    "Gentile" elders judge anointed "Israel", the Temple "living stones" of God.  It is written down in the WT that their rulership cannot be "challenged".
    I hope every elder who loves righteousness, will leave the organization.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    Endure spiritual immorality? Righteous Lot endured Sodom’s pervasive sexual immorality, until he was led out by the angels of God. There is another ‘leading out’ by God’s servants from pervasive spiritual immorality.     The “two” (meaning “truth”, not the literal number) “witnesses”, servants of God, give testimony to Christ and reject the “mark” of the organization,  for which they  are spiritually “killed” by the Beast/organization under the guidance of a false prophet. Rev 11:7-10  This is disfellowshipping.   Their “dead bodies” lie in the street of the “great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”  Rev 17:8
    God has called His nation “Sodom” in the past. 
    “Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one turns back from his wickedness. All of them are like Sodom to Me, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.”  Jer 23:14
    All of them were considered “like Sodom”.  Enduring false teachings is actually “strengthening the hands of evildoers”. Perhaps in one’s mind, he or she may believe they are not supporting the GB, since they are aware of their hypocrisy.  Yet, remaining with them shows a “lukewarm” attitude toward tolerating a false prophet.  (Rev 3:16)
     These “two witnesses”, two servants of Christ, reveal the “man of lawlessness” which “stands” where it doesn’t belong – in the Temple of God. Mark 13:14; Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3 (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  The elders “stand” in for, the authentic priesthood.  They “sit” exalted over the Temple priests.  (2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7) They have the authority given to them by the GB to judge Christ priests under him. (Rev 13:15) Since thereis no inspiration in the GB, there is no inspiration in the elders either.  This is a system contrived by men, not by God.  “Another spirit” is the driving power behind its existence. (2 Cor 11:4; Rev 13:2,11)   Why would God reject His own priesthood under Christ and approve of man’s choice? He never has in the past, and it did not go well with those who attempted to replace his chosen priests.  (Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40)
    The call, just as in Lot’s day, is to “come out of her, my people” so we do not “share” in the Harlot’s sins and receive the same plagues she will suffer from. (Rev 18:4) This scripiture doesn’t apply to Christendom.  Many receive their anointing while a member of the organization.  This is Satan’s sifting tool, his source of accusations against those in Christ – God’s “people”. (Luke 22:31; Eph 6:12)   Will they remain and endure false teachings, or will they “endure” suffering from their own people, by siding with Christ and his truth? (Matt 10:34-39)
    No one, should endure the teachings of “blind guides”, yet, the majority of  JWs highly protect their modern day “Pharisees” by making excuses for them; who in turn, protect their cohort false teachers since the beginning of their organization. 
    Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
    13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Matt 15:12-14
    Also, for one reason or another, many JWs also cherish their “god of fortress”/organization more than they may readily admit to.  Dan 11:38
    And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.  Luke 17:26-30
    And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. Rev 18:4-8
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    The definition was from Strong's concordance of the Bible
    It is "lawlessness" to replace God's anointed priesthood with elders not anointed. (2 Thess 2:3,4)   It is a "disgusting thing" "standing where it does not belong" (Mark 13:14), in the "Temple" of God. (1 Cor 3:16,17) (Rev 11:1,2)
    God's "chosen" people ARE the priesthood.
    Isa 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    That you may know and believe Me,
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    Nor shall there be after Me."
    1 Pet 2:9 "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy."
    Again, God's true "witnesses" comprise the priesthood, which has been replaced and pushed into a discreet corner. They must be silenced.   Satan's goal is to destroy them, and he uses false prophets to "seduce" them into believing they have obtained "peace and security" within the idol/organization.  (1 Thess 5:3)  He seduces them with a flood of lies.  (Rev 12:25) (Rev 16:13,14)
    It is amazing that my comment on falsehoods spoken by WT's leaders  was not even addressed.  
    Jezebel killed God' prophets.  Today, the anointed and anyone who desires to leave falsehoods are spiritually "killed".  (Rev 13:15)  Revelation's "Jezebel" misleads God's chosen slaves.  Rev 2:20   If they are in the Watchtower, they will not be misled by any nation or ruler in the world.
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    It is possible, and not only very possible, but Elijah (Jonah, Jeremiah and Job too) asking god for death, because of depressed state of mind (Samson, Saul, Saul's arms bearer and Ahitofel succeeded in suicide wish. 
    Even people, whose we do not perhaps consider as "mentally ill, diseased" or "spiritually weak" as faithful god's servants, showed exactly that, mental illness. Wishing to be dead is not what "normal" people ask for.
    What situations in life can bring that even "normal" and faithful religious individual (JW's or any other believer) come to "mental imbalance"? One of reason is/can be Flip-Flop with religious doctrines inside WTJWorg, for sure.
    After 40 years in WTJWorg it is not of surprise that i am just one of many (JW) ex-JW who was thought by WT Educational System to not going into the wisdom of these ("worldly") world and avoid anything that is opposite of Bible teachings. Bear in mind that i had been connected with JW church (as many other JW's) through my parents from earliest childhood. According to that, i stayed ignorant about many things, not just about governmental system :)))) 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in My latest letter to WT demanding correction from their side   
    Will the GB be fired?
    “Jezebel”: 
    Ἰεζαβήλ Iezabḗl, ee-ed-zab-ale'; of Hebrew origin (H348); Jezabel (i.e. Jezebel), a Tyrian woman (used as a synonym of a termagant or false teacher):—Jezabel.
    The GB uphold past leaders who misled thousands with false teachings.  They speak highly of Russel and of Rutherford.   What sort of person “in Christ” would condone such behavior? Would God? No.   Would the Holy Spirit?  No.  Would Christ?  No. So, why is it that millions of people allow the GB to get away with it?  They are “seduced”.  God’s anointed are seduced by false teachers in the last days. (Matt 24:24) Think about it.  If you grasp on to a teaching and are told it is “the truth”, then proceed to carry it to others only to find out a few years later that it was a falsehood, you were seduced…by false teachers.  And, you were attempting to seduce others with the same falsehood. 
    Falsehoods permeate the organization.  How can any JW not admit this?  Because, these lies are not called falsehoods by its leaders (yet they will point out falsehoods in Christendom).  They are called “adjustments”, and “beliefs clarified”.  Where in His word, does it say that God calls a lie, an “adjustment”, and that its okay to dismiss it and continue listening to more falsehoods?  Jer 23:16 points out that "visions of their own heart" make the hearer "worthless". Every failed date is a false "vision".   Is this what good spiritual food is all about?  
    JWs have been spiritually seduced by a Jezebel/Harlot.  It’s called spiritual drunkenness.  (1 Thess 5:7; Rev 17:1,2)  If they were “awake”, they would see that a lie is a lie…always.  JWs are taught not to lie, yet their leaders can lie, and they are excused for it.  This is insanity, and cognitive dissonance. 
    Is it ethical to dismiss the severity of lies spoken in the name of God? Is it spiritually moral, or immoral?   
    A spiritually immoral person is a “harlot”, a “Jezebel”. At one time God called His nation a Harlot. (the book of Hosea)  Do JWs think their leaders are immune to God's judgments who also tell falsehoods just as easily as God's people did in the past?  They told lies and practiced idolatry.  Satan is busier than ever before to deceive "the elect".  It is only through demonic deceit that one can believe they live in truth, yet speak a lie.  
    But I have this against you: You tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and teaches and deceives my servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat meat sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she does not want to repent of her sexual immorality. 22 Look, I will throw her into a sickbed and those who commit adultery with her into great affliction. Unless they repent of her works, 23 I will strike her children with a plague. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. Rev 2:20-23
    Do you see this?  The “works”, (especially of the anointed “Israel”), of those who represent an organization that still supports false prophets and falsehoods spoken by false teachers today, are being examined by Christ.   Does this mean anything to any JW?  Rev 3:15-18; Rev 11:1,2
    The organization is an idol. Rev 13:1,2  As long as JWs support it and the leaders who expect due admiration to “Jehovah’s organization”, they are idolaters. Rev 13:4   Some JW mentioned recently that it “isn’t the organization” but the recognition of the “slave” God has appointed to lead His people that is of vital spiritual importance.   What does the GB teach, but “organization” and its necessity for one’s salvation?  They are inseparable. Rev 13:11-14  Would a “faithful slave” of God teach truth on the one hand and uphold an organization rife with falsehoods on the other?  How is this faithful to TRUTH?
    He feeds on ashes. His deceived mind has led him astray, and he cannot rescue himself, or say, “Isn’t there a lie in my right hand?”  Isa 44:20 
    The Beast with two horns from the Earth is not symbolic for two political rulers of the world that WT teaches.  I didn’t realize until recently, that they didn’t equate this false prophet as the same entity as the Harlot of Rev 17:1,2   They are the same identity.  This harlot rides the Beast of Rev 13:1, the very same Beast that the false prophet of Rev 13:11 directs.  She’s in charge of the Beast/organization.
    The GB is in charge of the “spirit’breathed”/spirit-directed organization.  Rev 13:15
    Rev 13:11 –  "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.“
    A lamb - a young sheep.  We can use the scriptures to understand that this is a false prophet, not two political rulers:
    “Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.”  Matt 7:15
    They come from the anointed congregation of Christ:
    “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.  30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. “
    “For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!”  2 Cor 11:4
    Did the apostles preach “organization”?  Or, did they preach truth in Christ?  Did they tell lies and later call them “adjustments”?  They were “faithful slaves” overseeing food distribution of God’s household.  Did they label themselves that?  Or, did their works and words of truth prove they were faithful?  Matt 24:45-51
    In Rev 13:11, “horn” represents kings (Rev 17:12) – not those found in politics, but they are Christ’s kings. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)  He is the “king of kings” – of his anointed kings. Rev 17:14  Kings in Satan’s world are not on par with Christ’s kings. They have no play in Armageddon, a decisive battle of truth against lies. Joel 3:14  Those “kings” among the anointed “from your own number”, draw away other anointed through spiritual seduction – demonic expressions.  Rev 16:13-16
    The Beast from the Earth represents a succession of false teachers/”Jezebel “of Revelation 2 that mislead the children of “Israel”. (Rev 2:14)
    These “two horns” – two kings – appear to represent “truth”.
    “Even in your law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.”  John 8:17
    Gerrit Loesch stressed, “do you trust me?  I hope you do”.  Apparently, you must trust him, because God and Jesus do.  I wonder how he knows this, if he isn’t inspired. But, JWs trust him, nonetheless.  Rev 8:10,11  Is it necessary for a “faithful slave” of Christ to ask such a question? Jesus said we would “know them by their fruits” – their teachings; and his teachings condone the teachings of false prophets.  Matt 7:15-20
     
    So, what eventually happens to this harlot? Well, what happened to “Queen” Jezebel? 
    ”When Jehu”…(the tenth King of the northern tribe of Israel)…
    …came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard about it, so she painted her eyes, fixed her hair, and looked down from the window. 31 As Jehu entered the city gate, she said, “Do you come in peace, Zimri, killer of your master?”
    32 He looked up toward the window and said, “Who is on my side? Who?” Two or three eunuchs looked down at him, 33 and he said, “Throw her down!” So they threw her down, and some of her blood splattered on the wall and on the horses, and Jehu rode over her.”
    God used eunuchs servants of the king to kill Jezebel.  The harlot false prophet of Rev 13:11 is spiritually “killed” by “ten kings” not sealed by God as His faithful kings.  They, along with the Beast organization will “eat her flesh and burn her with fire”. 
    The GB will be dismissed, disfellowshipped, hidden away; however it happens, the organization will take on a new combined leadership of anointed and elders not anointed.
     “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 
    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”  Rev 17:12,13, 15-18
    The religions of the world do not target the “saints”/anointed because they don’t know who they are.  Only those in the Watchtower are aware of their existence.  Judging them as spiritually “dead” for rejecting false christs is, in Revelation, the shedding of spiritual “blood”.  Rev 17:3-6
    Rev 18:4-8 tells God’s people, “Israel” to leave, to get out; otherwise, they share in the sins of the Harlot.  Each heart and mind is examined for what we love.  2 Thess 2:9-12  How does anyone stand before Christ in confidence, when he asks why we supported false prophets and the lie that an organization built in the adversary’s domain, can lead one to truth? 
     
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/jezebel.html
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue FaithLeaks Owners Over Convention Videos   
    Quote "as is with Witness and the others, whom as a collective, do not understand a thing. "
    Someone else it seems that has a need to put people into one group. 
    Quote "but never can it be an excuse to assume that because one person did something, everyone else is the same "
    The Governing Body of CCJW say they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So the 8 men act as one. They work together, they make the rules for CCJW, they are responsible for Watchtower material. They are not individuals, they are a 'body'.  Therefor they are jointly responsible. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue FaithLeaks Owners Over Convention Videos   
    @Arauna   dictator   noun   a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.   a person who behaves in an autocratic way. (in ancient Rome) a chief magistrate with absolute power, appointed in an emergency.   autocratic   adjective   relating to a ruler who has absolute power. "the constitutional reforms threatened his autocratic power" taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering. "a man with a reputation for an autocratic management style" I think this describes your Governing Body very well 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    You have fine sense for humor. Our only goal here is to rise numbers of Member's Total Reputation, and best way for that, according to Forum, is to up-vote or like someone's comment.  :)))) 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Aleksandr Ivshin   
    If they know that the organization teaches the truth, then how is it PIMOs are those responsible for the information leaked to the exJW community?  Much of this information hits exJWs before it reaches the congregations.  There is no motive to do this if they believe the organization is "the truth".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Aleksandr Ivshin   
    There's a term called, PIMO (physically in, mentally out).  Their "will" is to leave the organization, but the leaders have instilled the pervasive fear that by acting upon the will to leave, it will bring an end to all relationships held with loved ones.  
    I'm sure you know what I mean.  
    Col 2:8 - "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ."
     
    Rev 13:10 - "If anyone is destined for captivity,
    into captivity he goes.
    If anyone is to be killed with a sword,
    with a sword he will be killed.
    This demands the perseverance and faith of the saints."
    Rev 13:15 - "He (false prophet) was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast (spirit-directed organization), so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."
    Disfellowshipping is a spiritual death.  
    "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof. Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped." Watchtower 1952 Nov 15 p.703
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    Some people find it easier to use ad hominem attacks, than to use critical thinking skills.  
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    You made here excellently important point. Claims in WT publications said how Jesus and JHVH made examination and had chosen Them in 1919. WT members in those time, and members today have only such claims in publications at which they can put their trust.
    If Jesus and JHVH were involved than holy spirit was also involved in this appointed of anointed in WT Society. By all what is visible in Bible records we can conclude how people who claiming their appointed was done by those 3 are in dangerous position if holy spirit was not involved and if it is involved in process of appointing then or any time later.
    If holy spirit had nothing with their appointing than GB and all FDS inside WT Society speaking lies or if they are self deceived that makes them false teachers.
    If holy spirit did had something with past appointing of people in 1919, that not automatically making all who came later (after 1919) in WT Society to be also "appointed" and "chosen" by holy spirit. Because, it is well known how looked past hierarchic and how looks today this hierarchy in management of Organization. 
    We see how elders are appointed, if they fulfilling some obligated recommendations according to some Bible verses. In such cases humans are those who making observation and recommendation and put individual on position. Holy spirit is not involved in that process, but elders in particular area/congregation.
    People who take symbols considers themselves as "anointed". Here we have another, different situation. People around this individuals are able to make conclusion about them primary on visible fact how they eat bread and drink red wine. But that also not making some individual to be really "anointed".     
    Well, if GB siting on "Moses chair", because they participate in symbols, that not automatically makes them to be appointed by holy spirit, but can make them guilty before holy spirit.
    My business is not to remove them from "chair", but to not believe in every spirit who speaking "amazing things". 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    @Arauna  I really get the feeling you are frightened of my words. The hate seems to come from you not me. 
    As I've said before though  I must be careful with my words, remembering that john Butler was disfellowshipped from this blog by the Elders here. 
    Moses was not of the Anointed so his resurrection will be here on this Earth. The Governing Body say that they are Anointed, and have only recently admitted to not being inspired by God. If they are of the Anointed then i would presume their sins are sins against the Spirit which may not be forgivable. They are saying that they are the 'faithful and discreet slave', but they act more like the evil slave that beats their fellow slaves. They misuse scripture and make up rules to put pressure on the congregation. 
    To quote you  That is why you can not be  a JW..... you have lost your humanity and mercy on other humans. 
    But I say to you that your GB have lost their humanity and mercy, because they allow the Victims of Child Sexual Abuse to continue to suffer and they continue to hide paedophiles in the CCJW.  The GB continue to degrade the Anointed whilst giving praise to the Elders. They continue to tell congregants to do personal Bible study but condemn those same congregants if they find truth from the scriptures which proves the GB wrong. 
    Concerning your GB :- 
    Matthew 7 v 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
    Matthew 7 v 21 through 23  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22  Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’a 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    If Moses made only that one famous mistake, i would expect from God to forgive him, and not in the future time, after/with Resurrection, but in the very moment in the past. Perhaps God thought how Moses need extra lesson. 
    It is interesting how You made conclusion, about GB, how they making similar mistakes as Moses, but not deserve immediate punishment as in his case. Does this mean how GB never was and never will make such sort of "mistake" and will enter into Promised Land despite those "mistakes"?
    What makes GB's and Moses's mistakes to be so different and not calls for same sort of treatment, not calls for using same Principles ?? 
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