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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Genuine and Professed Jehovah's Witness - Who is who?   
    Since they are not willing to defend their teachings, then they must not be equipped to reason!  
    To what measure?  100 percent.  Why do they allow it? Because as the man said who was making the video, they refuse to use their mind.  Reason?  I can only guess its out of fear, knowing an elder would rush up any moment to shoo them away from the gentleman.  
    I was asking myself the same question!
    Hmmm, only the writers of the WT know this.
    The gentleman states, “so it’s a unique point, that actually there has never been a child abused by a Jehovah’s Witness”
    A few of the JWs are well aware of his daughter’s abuse, but they shun him when asking a simple question.  Everyone has a right to use their mind.  God expects us to.  But the elders/servants made sure no one could. And they made sure they didn't use their own mind as well. 
    "Don’t let the world around you squeeze you into its own mould, but let God re-mould your minds from within, so that you may prove in practice that the plan of God for you is good, meets all his demands and moves towards the goal of true maturity."  Rom 12:2
    For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power and love and a sound mind.  2 Tim 1:7
     
     
     
    http://pearl-obeymen.blogspot.com/
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Genuine and Professed Jehovah's Witness - Who is who?   
    I found interesting video, with very important evidences about few subjects. Video took place in Cardiff, Wales 2019. Summer Convention "Love never fails".
    1) To what extend JW members are equipped for reasoning and how much they are willing to defend own teachings and beliefs?
    2) To what measure JW members who are Convention delegates are under control of people in "orange vests"? And why they allow them to be under their control?
    3) Why JW members who wear "orange vests" and are in official capacity are not willing to defend WT published teachings? 
    4) Does it mean how every JW member who make some sort of sin in his life as JW congregant is "professed JW" while the state of sin lasts?
    5) Does he/she in time before and after sinning is considered as "genuine JW"?
    .....and some more.
    Enjoy in good material for thinking and discussion. 
     Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. Let us discuss why child abuse is such a grave sin. Then we will consider how elders handle instances of serious wrongdoing, including child abuse,  and how parents can protect their children. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Revelation: Babylon the Great, etc.   
    This is a side point, but one event can coincide with another.   The act of disfellowshipping has experienced a total turnaround in the organization. In 1947, excommunication was taught as having no sound scriptural basis.  As time went on, it was adopted as necessary, according to scripture; and gained momentum in its severity as the years passed.  Today, it is a hard-core teaching, with hard-core results. How often are individuals reminded not to have any contact with disfellowshipped ones, and now to shun those who are inactive?
    @Kosonen's remark brought this to mind when he said,
    It really looks like the WT organization by force tried to fit prophecies to events and dates too early before their right time
    When asked if I accepted the doctrine of 1914, my answer of “no” immediately brought the judgment that I would be announced as disfellowshipped at the next meeting. This happens on a consistent basis, and to many anointed ones - probably to all of them leaving the organization.  There is no sin involved, there is no need to repent before God, but before men holding on to their doctrine.  One is considered “apostate” against doctrines not having a sound basis in scripture.  Anyone disfellowshipped knows that to JWs, they are viewed as unworthy in God’s sight, having lost the promise of eternal life.  This is a “beating down” of the person, and their right to think independently, as the Bereans practiced in Paul’s day.
    “Now these were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica. They accepted the message with all eagerness, examining the scriptures every day to see if these things were so.”  Acts 17:11
    It is a typical hypocritical response by the organization’s leadership, who use this scripture to bring individuals from other religions into the organization.   
    When reading Kosnen’s comment, Matt 24:48-51 came to mind.
    “Who then is the faithful and wise slave whom the master has put in charge of his household slaves to give them their food at the right time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his master will find so doing when he comes back. 47 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that evil slave should say to himself, ‘My master is staying away for a long time,’ 49 and he begins to beat his fellow slaves and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and at an hour that he does not know, 51 and will cut him in two and assign his place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!  Matt 24:48-51
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kosonen in Revelation: Babylon the Great, etc.   
    This is a side point, but one event can coincide with another.   The act of disfellowshipping has experienced a total turnaround in the organization. In 1947, excommunication was taught as having no sound scriptural basis.  As time went on, it was adopted as necessary, according to scripture; and gained momentum in its severity as the years passed.  Today, it is a hard-core teaching, with hard-core results. How often are individuals reminded not to have any contact with disfellowshipped ones, and now to shun those who are inactive?
    @Kosonen's remark brought this to mind when he said,
    It really looks like the WT organization by force tried to fit prophecies to events and dates too early before their right time
    When asked if I accepted the doctrine of 1914, my answer of “no” immediately brought the judgment that I would be announced as disfellowshipped at the next meeting. This happens on a consistent basis, and to many anointed ones - probably to all of them leaving the organization.  There is no sin involved, there is no need to repent before God, but before men holding on to their doctrine.  One is considered “apostate” against doctrines not having a sound basis in scripture.  Anyone disfellowshipped knows that to JWs, they are viewed as unworthy in God’s sight, having lost the promise of eternal life.  This is a “beating down” of the person, and their right to think independently, as the Bereans practiced in Paul’s day.
    “Now these were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica. They accepted the message with all eagerness, examining the scriptures every day to see if these things were so.”  Acts 17:11
    It is a typical hypocritical response by the organization’s leadership, who use this scripture to bring individuals from other religions into the organization.   
    When reading Kosnen’s comment, Matt 24:48-51 came to mind.
    “Who then is the faithful and wise slave whom the master has put in charge of his household slaves to give them their food at the right time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his master will find so doing when he comes back. 47 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that evil slave should say to himself, ‘My master is staying away for a long time,’ 49 and he begins to beat his fellow slaves and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and at an hour that he does not know, 51 and will cut him in two and assign his place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!  Matt 24:48-51
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    "Witness":  Don't tell me that you believe Zion is the Watchtower, where lawsuits are coming out of its ears, records of pedophiles are hidden within it, and "Beliefs Clarified" is posted on the information board.   I know you must be smarter than that.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    He asked,
    As Srecko stated, there is no earthly organization, but that God had a  people, a nation.  Since Christ, God's people, the "firstfruits" are "organized" within the Body of Christ.  James 1:18 I gave evidence according to the Bible, who that nation is comprised of. 
    Don't tell me that you believe Zion is the Watchtower, where lawsuits are coming out of its ears, records of pedophiles are hidden within it, and "Beliefs Clarified" is posted on the information board.   I know you must be smarter than that.
     
    2 In the last days
    the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
        as the highest of the mountains;
    it will be exalted above the hills,
        and all nations will stream to it.
    Many peoples will come and say,
    “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
        to the temple of the God of Jacob.
    He will teach us his ways,
        so that we may walk in his paths.”
    The law will go out from Zion,
        the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.  Isa 2:1,2
    The Temple is not the organization and the "law" is not the Shepherd the Flock of God book.  
    1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Heb 8:10; Rev 5:9,10; 14:1; Rev 21:22
    As for the "Great 8", (which is really clever),  the organization will make sure they are removed.  Rev 17:12,15-18
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
        “and my servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe me
        and understand that I am he.
    Before me no god was formed,
        nor will there be one after me.  Isa 43:10
    I have revealed and saved and proclaimed— I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.  Isa 43:12
    "Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
    "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."  1 Pet 2:5,9
    The nation of priests since Christ, are tested, refined, and proven to serve God and Christ, to bring "healing to the nations" in the Kingdom of God. Rev 21:2
     No other "rock", or "foreign god" will prove to replace this spiritual people, nation.  Not even the "mountainlike organization" that you fully put your trust in.
    It is the Temple of God, Mount Zion, soon to reach its completion.
    "For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God."  Rom 8:19-21
    “What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’”
    "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.  And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."  Rev 21:2,3
    The "dwelling place" of God is within the hearts of the anointed priesthood.  1 Cor 3:16,17  They are the "Bride" of Christ.
    "The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life."
     
    So, when your leaders say, "come to Jehovah's organization for salvation", they are telling you a lie. 
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Kosonen in Do you belive Jesus?   
    Faith in Jesus is what Jehovah God wants. God's word contrasts that with putting faith in men. Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 
    John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,+ so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.+ 17  For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.+ 18 Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged.+ Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God…...35 The Father loves the Son+ and has given all things into his hand.+ 36  The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life;+ the one who disobeys the Son will not see life,+ but the wrath of God remains upon him.
    John 6:28  So they said to him: “What must we do to carry out the works of God?” 29  In answer Jesus said to them: “This is the work of God, that you exercise faith in the one whom he sent.”.....40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life,+ and I will resurrect+ him on the last day.”
    John 12:44 However, Jesus called out and said: “Whoever puts faith in me puts faith not only in me but also in him who sent me;+ 45  and whoever sees me sees also the One who sent me.+ 46 I have come as a light into the world,+ so that everyone putting faith in me may not remain in the darkness.+ 47  But if anyone hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I came, not to judge the world, but to save the world.+ 48 Whoever disregards me and does not receive my sayings has one to judge him. The word that I have spoken is what will judge him on the last day. 49  For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life.+ So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.
    Matthew 11:6 Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me.”
    1 Thessalonians 1:3 for we continually remember your faithful work, your loving labor, and your endurance because of your hope+ in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father.
     
    Colossians 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 4  since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love you have for all the holy ones.
    Colossians 2:5 Though I am absent in body, I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order+ and the firmness of your faith in Christ.+
    6  Therefore, just as you have accepted Christ Jesus the Lord, go on walking in union with him, 7  being rooted and built up in him+ and being stabilized in the faith,+ just as you were taught, and overflowing with thanksgiving.+
    Philippians 3: 3 For we are those with the real circumcision,+ we who are rendering sacred service by God’s spirit and boasting in Christ Jesus+ and who do not base our confidence in the flesh.
    Philippians 3:8 What is more, I do indeed also consider all things to be loss on account of the excelling value of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have taken the loss of all things and I consider them as a lot of refuse,* that I may gain Christ 9  and be found in union with him, not because of my own righteousness from following the Law, but because of the righteousness that is through faith+ in Christ,+ the righteousness from God based on faith.
    Philippians 4:1 Consequently, my brothers whom I love and long for, my joy and crown,+ stand firm+ in this way in the Lord, my beloved ones. 
    Hebrews 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.+ 2  Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son,
    And Jesus asked: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Matthew 24:45.
    First of all, this is a question. And of course a faithful slave should not distort Jesus' sayings or ignore any of his sayings. And we would be wise to check with the Holy Scriptures if a slave claiming to be a discreet and faithful slave really teaches what Jesus taught.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    This made old-new perspective on this forum and for this forum.
    Is it allowed to any female here to go into "deep and deeper discussions" about subjects that arose as topics? Does this mean how we, who are males, are only one who have "privilege" for participation and challenge each other standpoints and thinking?
    Female person, according to @Arauna  in this comment, suggesting how women are not permitted to argue in "important subjects" aka almost all Topics, but only to Preach essential message (perhaps standing with tablet or magazines) and not going into doctrinal dilemmas and instructional, organizational issues.
    Dear Female Forum Members! Your participation in all sort of discussions is welcome and shows (proves) your need to have more important role in spiritual matters. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Imagine a day, when 1st century GB and 20th, 21st century GB meet each other (or to be as guests at Annual Meeting of Corporation) and start to discuss how congregation have to look and functioning?  And of course, Paul come there latter to join them into reasoning. :))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    According to WTJWorg doctrine, women is not allowed to talk with men in a such manner to be or to look like, how she teach him/them. @Arauna highlighted somehow  this detail in her comment. And because of that, how Arauna's comment sounded to me, in my perception, it remind me on WT doctrine about interpretations of some Bible verses on women. 
    In other way of perception, we can say also this way: If women "arguing" (with other male or female) in some specific kind, it could be sounded how she looking for "prominence" for herself, according to WTJWorg. It seems how choice of words, tone and attitude (in live or on paper) could be "judged" by this WT position.
    As you see, WTJWorg culture have specific (as all groups) rules about inside member's behavior and also how behavior of members to outside individuals or group have to look like. Christian woman (JW member) according to this rules, should not put herself in position to "teach" adult males (only children) inside or outside of JWorg. 
    Your "rebuke" directed to @Witness went by this WT rules about male-female relations. But in the same time you, as female, found no self-ban to doing same sort of "arguing" with @Witness (as woman) or me or some other "men" here. And that i found as funny (ironically), at least.   
    If i am right in perception, according to Bible, God never had an Organization, ....but He had a Nation. People for his name. And Individuals who was faithful and showed faith in His promises.
    WT Society is not People, is not Nation. It is Corporation. CCJW are not People, are not Nation. It is Legal Entity produced, established by WT Company. 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Both you and @the Sower of Seed, say that Paul had to submit and humble himself to the "older men" in Jerusalem, and do their will; to go and preach where these men directed them.   Gal 1:10
    Firstly, scripture shows us this is not true.  Acts 8:29; 13:2-4; 11:11,12; 16:6-7; 20:22
    Secondly, put the GB that you know, back in Jerusalem as these “older men”/Governing Body during Paul’s time period.   Picturing your eight men as those in Jerusalem, how does that seem to you? Your men are not inspired by Holy Spirit, but come equipped with man’s rules and doctrine to run an organization, in whatever that requires aside from the Bible for that time period.  It would be similar to the Pharisees adding additional decrees to God's Word.   Is it acceptable for a prophet/teacher/foundation stone of God’s Temple in Christ, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) to submit to men and their “rules”, when he said specifically…
     “Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.”  Col 2:20-22
    Can you imagine Paul or any of the apostles submitting to your GB leaders, in that example?  This is basically what @the Sower of Seed was saying.  He has learned this from the GB, who have made up stories about a centralized organization present in Jerusalem, even so far as using the term "governing body" for those "older men".  All of this is to add magical credence to GB's spurious position. 
    Paul was directed by Holy Spirit, not by men. 
    Side point, you must not have heard the news.  The GB have already received their heavenly reward, it’s now a matter of making the trip to pick it up.
    Gerrit Losch:  “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.” 
    “Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ COMPLETELY trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?”
    What sort of person who admits they have led JWs in error,  would be so confident before God and Jesus by saying firstly, God “completely” trusts them?  Secondly, that they WILL be going to heaven before hearing the verdict?  Matt 25:19-21
    The foundation stones of the Temple, who are the 12 apostles, will judge all anointed during their lifetime with the help of Christ.
    Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matt 19:28
    Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.  Rev 7:4
    It’s very possible that the apostles judged the “older men” in Jerusalem if they were anointed.  But you say, that Paul had to be submissive to their direction! 
     Do you believe that the GB, who consistently makes subtle comparisons of itself to the apostles, will be excused for their self-righteousness?  Are they “pure and blameless” to serve Christ and the Father?  Is there “no lie” found in their mouths?  Rev 14: 4,5  Do you believe Jesus will excuse their presumptuousness in declaring their position in heaven with him , before he finds them worthy?  What about their “brothers and sister” in Christ?  Since the GB uses an elder army to judge the anointed ones, will they not be responsible before God’s judging panel, for usurping the apostle’s authority given to them by Christ? 
    Rev 20:4,11-15; Dan 7:9,22; Jude 1:14,15
     The organization is a bottomless sink hole of sin and deception.  I believe the GB were once anointed by God, but chose to forsake this gift for another. It is evident in their desire to build their earthly "kingdom" and rule over the Body of Christ.  Luke 4:5-7; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12, 5-7
    @Arauna  "I have seen enough on here to understand that you have no sense of justice or mercy - only false accusations.  Satan was an accuser day and night. To quote the same tons  of scriptures over and over is not wisdom."
    To speak profusely, by condemning someone over and over without scripture to back up their words, is not spiritually wise. 
     
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     http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/11/resurrectionjudgmentlife-and-death.html
    Maybe they don't want to reopen an old wound.
    “It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone.”   Rose Kennedy
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Both you and @the Sower of Seed, say that Paul had to submit and humble himself to the "older men" in Jerusalem, and do their will; to go and preach where these men directed them.   Gal 1:10
    Firstly, scripture shows us this is not true.  Acts 8:29; 13:2-4; 11:11,12; 16:6-7; 20:22
    Secondly, put the GB that you know, back in Jerusalem as these “older men”/Governing Body during Paul’s time period.   Picturing your eight men as those in Jerusalem, how does that seem to you? Your men are not inspired by Holy Spirit, but come equipped with man’s rules and doctrine to run an organization, in whatever that requires aside from the Bible for that time period.  It would be similar to the Pharisees adding additional decrees to God's Word.   Is it acceptable for a prophet/teacher/foundation stone of God’s Temple in Christ, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) to submit to men and their “rules”, when he said specifically…
     “Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.”  Col 2:20-22
    Can you imagine Paul or any of the apostles submitting to your GB leaders, in that example?  This is basically what @the Sower of Seed was saying.  He has learned this from the GB, who have made up stories about a centralized organization present in Jerusalem, even so far as using the term "governing body" for those "older men".  All of this is to add magical credence to GB's spurious position. 
    Paul was directed by Holy Spirit, not by men. 
    Side point, you must not have heard the news.  The GB have already received their heavenly reward, it’s now a matter of making the trip to pick it up.
    Gerrit Losch:  “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.” 
    “Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ COMPLETELY trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?”
    What sort of person who admits they have led JWs in error,  would be so confident before God and Jesus by saying firstly, God “completely” trusts them?  Secondly, that they WILL be going to heaven before hearing the verdict?  Matt 25:19-21
    The foundation stones of the Temple, who are the 12 apostles, will judge all anointed during their lifetime with the help of Christ.
    Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matt 19:28
    Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.  Rev 7:4
    It’s very possible that the apostles judged the “older men” in Jerusalem if they were anointed.  But you say, that Paul had to be submissive to their direction! 
     Do you believe that the GB, who consistently makes subtle comparisons of itself to the apostles, will be excused for their self-righteousness?  Are they “pure and blameless” to serve Christ and the Father?  Is there “no lie” found in their mouths?  Rev 14: 4,5  Do you believe Jesus will excuse their presumptuousness in declaring their position in heaven with him , before he finds them worthy?  What about their “brothers and sister” in Christ?  Since the GB uses an elder army to judge the anointed ones, will they not be responsible before God’s judging panel, for usurping the apostle’s authority given to them by Christ? 
    Rev 20:4,11-15; Dan 7:9,22; Jude 1:14,15
     The organization is a bottomless sink hole of sin and deception.  I believe the GB were once anointed by God, but chose to forsake this gift for another. It is evident in their desire to build their earthly "kingdom" and rule over the Body of Christ.  Luke 4:5-7; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12, 5-7
    @Arauna  "I have seen enough on here to understand that you have no sense of justice or mercy - only false accusations.  Satan was an accuser day and night. To quote the same tons  of scriptures over and over is not wisdom."
    To speak profusely, by condemning someone over and over without scripture to back up their words, is not spiritually wise. 
     
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     http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/11/resurrectionjudgmentlife-and-death.html
    Maybe they don't want to reopen an old wound.
    “It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone.”   Rose Kennedy
  15. Upvote
    Witness reacted to JW Insider in Revelation: Babylon the Great, etc.   
    Jesus was not just anointed in 29 and ruling as king by 33, he was also already called "king of kings." As you already know, I'm sure, there is no scripture or prophecy that depicts Jesus waiting to be made king in 1914.
    (1 Timothy 6:13-16) . . .Before God, who preserves all things alive, and Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders 14 to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal might.. . .
    I'm not going to say that the scriptures are lying when they say that Jesus had been made king in the first century. I imagine that if you could be transported back in time to the first century and heard these Bible writers saying the following, you would be saying: "No! No! Jesus doesn't deserve all this honor. Stop referring to Jesus as King." Stop repeating scriptures like the one above, or like the title that Revelation gives Jesus:
    (Revelation 17:14) . . .because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. . .
    (Acts 2:34-36) . . .“Sit at my right hand 35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ 36 Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”
    (1 Corinthians 15:25) . . .For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
    (Matthew 28:18) 18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
    (Revelation 1:5) . . .and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”. . .
    (Philippians 2:9, 10) 9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground. . .
    (Ephesians 1:20, 21) 20 which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
    I can imagine you arguing with Paul, saying that he should stop saying that when Jesus was raised from the dead that he was already placed far above every government and authority and power and lordship, because that was the same as saying that he was given a name even higher than kings and emperors and Caesars. You might argue to Paul that he should stop saying such things, because then Paul himself is saying that Jesus is a king. Surely, Jesus was just joking when he told Pilate that the governor himself was saying that he was a king. Surely the sign on the stake was wrong when it claimed that Jesus had said he was a king. Perhaps you would argue against the title Christ, too. Because Christ was the same as saying he was the Messiah: the Messianic king.
    (Mark 15:32) . . .Let the Christ, the King of Israel, now come down off the torture stake, . . .
    (Luke 23:2, 3) . . .and saying he himself is Christ a king.” 3 Now Pilate asked him the question: “Are you the King of the Jews?” In answer he said: “You yourself are saying it.”
    (Luke 23:35-38) . . .let him save himself if he is the Christ of God, the Chosen One.” 36 Even the soldiers mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine 37 and saying: “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself.” 38 There was also an inscription over him: “This is the King of the Jews.”
    Prophecy was not completed in 70. But we do know that in the first century Jesus said that his disciples should stop concerning themselves with chronology.
    This is all very possible, and one way or another these scriptures will be fulfilled. But we must watch out for hubris and presumptuousness when we try to pretend that we absolutely know it must happen through a specific agency on earth. Jehovah may fulfill his word by making rocks cry out if necessary. We should keep in mind that these are very interesting and sometimes reasonable interpretations, but they are still just interpretations. It's very haughty to look at a track record that has failed on every single prophetic prediction so far, and then claim that we must be right on this particular future prediction.
    You probably know that there are several religions in Christendom that believe we must watch the United Nations for fulfillments of several Bible prophecies and end-time events. There area also several conspiratorial crackpots who discuss the UN and declare exaggerated claims for the purpose of fearmongering for followers. There is a lot that appears to be "truth" about the UN from various "trustworthy" sources that claim to be directly quoting UN documents. But when you take the time to look at the actual documents they are interpreting, you realize that it's built on half-truths or less.
  16. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I understand, and I can see why you haven't returned to read comments.  The exjw group there, may just eat you alive. 
  17. Haha
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    For a book, to advertise discretely on reddit, I suppose.  That's okay.  I quickly scanned it over, with mixed reviews. 
  18. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I had to revisit this, since I don't think you realize your own contradictions.
    1)  The GB is compared to the apostles
    (2 The GB are leaders of the organization
    3) Paul, an apostle had to "humble" himself to the leadership of the "Way" or "organization.
    4) This implies that the GB are higher in "rank" than the apostles!
    BLASPHEMY!  Can you see this?
    4)  The apostles are the foundation of the Temple of God in Jesus Christ.
    5) The GB are the "foundation" of the organization called the WB&TS
    Are there two foundations/"organizations" that God approves of?  One is spiritual and written in the Bible, The other is earthly, and is not.
    Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.  Eph 2:20-22
     
    Only one "mountain"/"organization" will be chosen by God.  The one that is built on Christ as its "chief cornerstone".    Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8
     
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html
     
     
     
     
  19. Thanks
    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    For a book, to advertise discretely on reddit, I suppose.  That's okay.  I quickly scanned it over, with mixed reviews. 
  20. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I had to revisit this, since I don't think you realize your own contradictions.
    1)  The GB is compared to the apostles
    (2 The GB are leaders of the organization
    3) Paul, an apostle had to "humble" himself to the leadership of the "Way" or "organization.
    4) This implies that the GB are higher in "rank" than the apostles!
    BLASPHEMY!  Can you see this?
    4)  The apostles are the foundation of the Temple of God in Jesus Christ.
    5) The GB are the "foundation" of the organization called the WB&TS
    Are there two foundations/"organizations" that God approves of?  One is spiritual and written in the Bible, The other is earthly, and is not.
    Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.  Eph 2:20-22
     
    Only one "mountain"/"organization" will be chosen by God.  The one that is built on Christ as its "chief cornerstone".    Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8
     
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html
     
     
     
     
  21. Upvote
    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    UM Does anyone see the difference between, being conned into doing restoration showy work on an old building, because you've been told it is for the 'glory of God' 
    As opposed to, doing voluntary work, such as EMERGENCY WORK FOR A FIRE DEPT' OR HOSPITAL which actually serves a good purpose.  
    It seems that Mr Harley doesn't know the difference. 
    Mr Harley, the difference is, the one's that do the Emergency work actually volunteer to HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
    The congregants, that should have been preaching the Good News of God's Kingdom', because it is so urgent as the 'End' is so close (in JWs opinion), were actually misled into believing that the restoration work on that theatre was for God. In God's eyes and Christ's I would have thought the preaching work was much more important. 
    One thought, Jesus knew that Jerusalem was about to be destroyed, 
    0  “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,v then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.w 21  Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,x let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, .... "
    I don't see any instruction to go and build a big fancy assembly hall some place.  
  22. Like
    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I have to agree with this. In positive and negative using of Criticism.
    One of "trigger" for put critics about these or other WT works in past and now, lies in fact that WTJWorg "exalt" themself above all on Earth. They are: "only true religion, only God's organization, only people that have highest moral standards, only who be saved, .....and similar "the best"".
    In light of such position and picture that WTJWorg forming for and from many decades, it is not strange when observers find some discrepancy and make the point of that.
  23. Upvote
    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Tom, what is with you? How you can compare JW volunteer restoration work in private building, in building that is in possession of Company .... with volunteer work in helping people when houses burning or helping sick people in hospital??
     
  24. Like
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Phil 3:19 -  They are ruled by their bellies, their glory comes by shame, and their minds are fixed on the things of this world. They are doomed. 
  25. Downvote
    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    According to God's Word, they have adulterated the teachings of Christ and the apostles.  To apply "sacred" to a  building is idolatry, let alone to a corporation by calling it "spirit-directed".   No doubt JWs would admit that Catholics are idolaters:
    "Whether you've been in a church many times or are new to its sights, sounds, smells and bells, knowing the rich meaning and history behind our sacred spaces and symbols can help us appreciate and deepen our faith. Churches reflect the communities who built them and the times and circumstances in which they are used. No two churches are alike, but each sacred space is used to celebrate the same Mass with our fellow Catholics.   https://www.catholicextension.org/camp-catholic/sacred-spaces-symbols
    Somehow the point is missed when it comes to the organization.   Since Christ, can you tell me of any incident in the scriptures that describes a building OR earthly organization as "sacred" and approved by God?  Acts 7:24,25,29-31
     God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
    Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
    Does the GB need to repent for creating idols?  Do the Catholics?
     
     

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