Witness

These are not my words, and because they aren’t, you might want to retract the following comment you have made referring to the person who has kept her word.

I see also you are trying to make a point in your large use of letters. My comment was, that the scriptures in Deuteronomy should be considered.  It was with confusion that Jackson answered the lawyer when being pressured, which proves those scriptures had not been given any consideration by the GB.  Holy Spirit would have moved them to do so and abolish their dogmatic stance of “two witnesses” in all situations by acting on compassion and guidance by Christ.  

What you have to say is your opinion, and that is fine with me.  It still does not negate the quandary that the organization, which has built its foundation on lies, (think pyramidology and 1914, etc) now deals with, when facing the governments for their failed misrepresentation of victims. They freely use the government for their own needs to reach an end that favors the running of the instrument, but fail greatly in accepting its authority for those who need representation for offenses made against them by their own leaders.  This fact will not go away, and these facts are sins against God, who will expose them in the manner he prefers.

My application may appear off mark only because it is by love that one can recognize how God’s sheep have suffered.  You care for logistics; I care for the sheep.  You care for an earthly corporation viewed as belonging to God, I care for Jesus’ words which say,

 “You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.  But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.  God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:22-24


 What obligation does Psalm 48:12-14 place on us? Regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about Jehovah’s organization.  W 15/7/15
Do you see the conflict between man's words and God's?


Worshiping in spirit is through Christ, presenting ourselves “holy and acceptable”. Rom 12:1 Worshiping in truth is through Christ. John 14:6 Worshiping through the organization is through men and their failed ability to judge in righteousness.  There is no earthly Zion. Read all of Ps 48 to see the truth about Heavenly Zion.  Heb 12:22


“I will scatter you like chaff
    driven by the wind from the desert.
This is your lot,
    the portion I have measured out to you, declares the Lord,
because you have forgotten me
    and trusted in lies.
 I myself will lift up your skirts over your face,
    and your shame will be seen.
 I have seen your abominations,
    your adulteries and neighings, your lewd whorings,
    on the hills in the field.
Woe to you, O Jerusalem!
    How long will it be before you are made clean?”  Jer 13:24-27 

We might consider just who is hiding behind a façade.  

Some of your words:  It is up to the body of Elders to use their “BEST” judgment on how to proceed with a sensitive matter. Even the ARC was blinded by ignorant opposers. Ex-witnesses that called and emailed them, by thinking…this would be the end of the WTS, they attempted to sensationalize a situation that ultimately the ARC found out it was full of “Lies” and “distortions” just like you are deceptively portraying now.

So unless you have personal knowledge on what goes on behind a judicial committee, STOP speculating. You are clueless, on what an Elders responsibility is toward the flock with such matters that require wisdom and discernment. The Governing Body can’t be everywhere. The flock book, is a general guideline book, for Elders to understand or have a basic concept on how to proceed with matters.

It seems more important to defend the GB and the elder body than to come to aid of, or feel remorse for, victims in over 1000 alleged cases not reported in one country alone. Would there be a reason to defend such failed attention to the flock if Holy Spirit was guiding the leaders?  John 16:30; 2 Pet 1:3

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."  James 1:5
Whatever GB Jackson said in his deposition to his defense makes no difference in rectifying the damage already done, and still being committed.  If policy must continually be changed, what is the underlying cause if not because of a lack of Holy Spirit?  Would Jackson need any help from a government to make “mandatory reporting” if one truly followed Christ’s teachings?

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20

Rom 13:1 – “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.”

“Then Pilate said to Him, ‘Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?’ Jesus answered, ‘You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.  Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.’  John 19:10,11

The WT uses 1 Cor 6:1 as one of their reasons for not reporting such a crime.  By checking the Greek word for “dispute” used here and in other scriptures, “pragma”, it’s use is concerning smaller affairs, transactions, business matters, things, deeds, and NOT something as serious as child abuse.  The GB willingly adheres to the scripture Deut 19:15, but GB Jackson refused to recognize Deut 22:25,26 as a vital one to consider.

Stewart -  “Is it not the case that had Jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse, he may have referred back to this part of Deuteronomy and said that it’s not required to have two witnesses?”

Jackson -  “I certainly would like to ask Jesus that, and I can’t at the moment, I hope to in the future. But that’s a hypothetical question which, if we had an answer, then we could support what you said.”

If the words spoken in Deuteronomy are from God, why the hesitancy to consider them?  Why chose one verse in this book, but not consider another?  Jackson’s own stumbling over Stewart’s question shows the lack of God’s blessing in wisdom that a genuine anointed in Christ would be aware of, if they are truly still one in Christ. 1 Cor 10:6-12  To allow such evils to be committed, time and time again, shows a huge glitch in the system, and that glitch is the absence of Holy Spirit.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.  John 14:26

 Whenever God’s people worked in harmony with his will, blessings were rich in all matters of their life.  The flock was protected by the knowledge God gave his priesthood and their leaders.  Deut 24:8; Mal 2:7; 2 Chron 35:3

“Does any one of you who has a dispute with another dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones?”  1 Cor 6:1

While this scripture is given credence to the elder body in decision making, is the elder body comprised of God’s holy anointed ones – his chosen priesthood? 2 Chron 23:6; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 8:5

“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.  Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.  For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.  Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.  For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.”  Rom 13:1-7

It appears, that the GB’s refusal to consider all scripture shows that the primary concern of the organization is its own worldly outward appearance and their struggle to keep up a frontage of cleanliness; caring not for what happens to God’s sheep.  Jer 23:2; Isa 1:17; Eccl 4:1

“Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees,
Who write misfortune,
Which they have prescribed

To rob the needy of justice,
And to take what is right from the poor of My people,
That widows may be their prey,
And that they may rob the fatherless. Isa 10:1,2

He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just,
Both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.  Prov 17:15

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!

 Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink,
 Who justify the wicked for a bribe,
And take away justice from the righteous man!  Isa 5:20-23

Christ’s commandments are based on love, love expressed toward his sheep. 1 Thess 4:9; 1 Pet 4:8; John 13:35  Through the blessing of Holy Spirit, love is made manifest in one’s heart.  If the leaders of the organization  worked in harmony with Christ and his love, there would be no question on how to deal with such offenses.  Did Jesus ever hesitate?

“But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?”  1 John 3:17


 
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We might consider just who is hiding behind a façade.  

Some of your words:  It is up to the body of Elders to use their “BEST” judgment on how to proceed with a sensitive matter. Even the ARC was blinded by ignorant opposers. Ex-witnesses that called and emailed them, by thinking…this would be the end of the WTS, they attempted to sensationalize a situation that ultimately the ARC found out it was full of “Lies” and “distortions” just like you are deceptively portraying now.

So unless you have personal knowledge on what goes on behind a judicial committee, STOP speculating. You are clueless, on what an Elders responsibility is toward the flock with such matters that require wisdom and discernment. The Governing Body can’t be everywhere. The flock book, is a general guideline book, for Elders to understand or have a basic concept on how to proceed with matters.

It seems more important to defend the GB and the elder body than to come to aid of, or feel remorse for, victims in over 1000 alleged cases not reported in one country alone. Would there be a reason to defend such failed attention to the flock if Holy Spirit was guiding the leaders?  John 16:30; 2 Pet 1:3

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."  James 1:5
Whatever GB Jackson said in his deposition to his defense makes no difference in rectifying the damage already done, and still being committed.  If policy must continually be changed, what is the underlying cause if not because of a lack of Holy Spirit?  Would Jackson need any help from a government to make “mandatory reporting” if one truly followed Christ’s teachings?

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20

Rom 13:1 – “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.”

“Then Pilate said to Him, ‘Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?’ Jesus answered, ‘You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.  Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.’  John 19:10,11

The WT uses 1 Cor 6:1 as one of their reasons for not reporting such a crime.  By checking the Greek word for “dispute” used here and in other scriptures, “pragma”, it’s use is concerning smaller affairs, transactions, business matters, things, deeds, and NOT something as serious as child abuse.  The GB willingly adheres to the scripture Deut 19:15, but GB Jackson refused to recognize Deut 22:25,26 as a vital one to consider.

Stewart -  “Is it not the case that had Jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse, he may have referred back to this part of Deuteronomy and said that it’s not required to have two witnesses?”

Jackson -  “I certainly would like to ask Jesus that, and I can’t at the moment, I hope to in the future. But that’s a hypothetical question which, if we had an answer, then we could support what you said.”

If the words spoken in Deuteronomy are from God, why the hesitancy to consider them?  Why chose one verse in this book, but not consider another?  Jackson’s own stumbling over Stewart’s question shows the lack of God’s blessing in wisdom that a genuine anointed in Christ would be aware of, if they are truly still one in Christ. 1 Cor 10:6-12  To allow such evils to be committed, time and time again, shows a huge glitch in the system, and that glitch is the absence of Holy Spirit.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.  John 14:26

 Whenever God’s people worked in harmony with his will, blessings were rich in all matters of their life.  The flock was protected by the knowledge God gave his priesthood and their leaders.  Deut 24:8; Mal 2:7; 2 Chron 35:3

“Does any one of you who has a dispute with another dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones?”  1 Cor 6:1

While this scripture is given credence to the elder body in decision making, is the elder body comprised of God’s holy anointed ones – his chosen priesthood? 2 Chron 23:6; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 8:5

“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.  Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.  For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.  Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.  For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.”  Rom 13:1-7

It appears, that the GB’s refusal to consider all scripture shows that the primary concern of the organization is its own worldly outward appearance and their struggle to keep up a frontage of cleanliness; caring not for what happens to God’s sheep.  Jer 23:2; Isa 1:17; Eccl 4:1

“Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees,
Who write misfortune,
Which they have prescribed

To rob the needy of justice,
And to take what is right from the poor of My people,
That widows may be their prey,
And that they may rob the fatherless. Isa 10:1,2

He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just,
Both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.  Prov 17:15

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!

 Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink,
 Who justify the wicked for a bribe,
And take away justice from the righteous man!  Isa 5:20-23

Christ’s commandments are based on love, love expressed toward his sheep. 1 Thess 4:9; 1 Pet 4:8; John 13:35  Through the blessing of Holy Spirit, love is made manifest in one’s heart.  If the leaders of the organization  worked in harmony with Christ and his love, there would be no question on how to deal with such offenses.  Did Jesus ever hesitate?

“But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?”  1 John 3:17


 
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We might consider just who is hiding behind a façade.  

Some of your words:  It is up to the body of Elders to use their “BEST” judgment on how to proceed with a sensitive matter. Even the ARC was blinded by ignorant opposers. Ex-witnesses that called and emailed them, by thinking…this would be the end of the WTS, they attempted to sensationalize a situation that ultimately the ARC found out it was full of “Lies” and “distortions” just like you are deceptively portraying now.

So unless you have personal knowledge on what goes on behind a judicial committee, STOP speculating. You are clueless, on what an Elders responsibility is toward the flock with such matters that require wisdom and discernment. The Governing Body can’t be everywhere. The flock book, is a general guideline book, for Elders to understand or have a basic concept on how to proceed with matters.

It seems more important to defend the GB and the elder body than to come to aid of, or feel remorse for, victims in over 1000 alleged cases not reported in one country alone. Would there be a reason to defend such failed attention to the flock if Holy Spirit was guiding the leaders?  John 16:30; 2 Pet 1:3

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."  James 1:5
Whatever GB Jackson said in his deposition to his defense makes no difference in rectifying the damage already done, and still being committed.  If policy must continually be changed, what is the underlying cause if not because of a lack of Holy Spirit?  Would Jackson need any help from a government to make “mandatory reporting” if one truly followed Christ’s teachings?

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20

Rom 13:1 – “Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.”

“Then Pilate said to Him, ‘Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?’ Jesus answered, ‘You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above.  Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.’  John 19:10,11

The WT uses 1 Cor 6:1 as one of their reasons for not reporting such a crime.  By checking the Greek word for “dispute” used here and in other scriptures, “pragma”, it’s use is concerning smaller affairs, transactions, business matters, things, deeds, and NOT something as serious as child abuse.  The GB willingly adheres to the scripture Deut 19:15, but GB Jackson refused to recognize Deut 22:25,26 as a vital one to consider.

Stewart -  “Is it not the case that had Jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse, he may have referred back to this part of Deuteronomy and said that it’s not required to have two witnesses?”

Jackson -  “I certainly would like to ask Jesus that, and I can’t at the moment, I hope to in the future. But that’s a hypothetical question which, if we had an answer, then we could support what you said.”

If the words spoken in Deuteronomy are from God, why the hesitancy to consider them?  Why chose one verse in this book, but not consider another?  Jackson’s own stumbling over Stewart’s question shows the lack of God’s blessing in wisdom that a genuine anointed in Christ would be aware of, if they are truly still one in Christ. 1 Cor 10:6-12  To allow such evils to be committed, time and time again, shows a huge glitch in the system, and that glitch is the absence of Holy Spirit.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.  John 14:26

 Whenever God’s people worked in harmony with his will, blessings were rich in all matters of their life.  The flock was protected by the knowledge God gave his priesthood and their leaders.  Deut 24:8; Mal 2:7; 2 Chron 35:3

“Does any one of you who has a dispute with another dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones?”  1 Cor 6:1

While this scripture is given credence to the elder body in decision making, is the elder body comprised of God’s holy anointed ones – his chosen priesthood? 2 Chron 23:6; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 8:5

“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.  Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.  For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.  Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.  For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.”  Rom 13:1-7

It appears, that the GB’s refusal to consider all scripture shows that the primary concern of the organization is its own worldly outward appearance and their struggle to keep up a frontage of cleanliness; caring not for what happens to God’s sheep.  Jer 23:2; Isa 1:17; Eccl 4:1

“Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees,
Who write misfortune,
Which they have prescribed

To rob the needy of justice,
And to take what is right from the poor of My people,
That widows may be their prey,
And that they may rob the fatherless. Isa 10:1,2

He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just,
Both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.  Prov 17:15

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!

 Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink,
 Who justify the wicked for a bribe,
And take away justice from the righteous man!  Isa 5:20-23

Christ’s commandments are based on love, love expressed toward his sheep. 1 Thess 4:9; 1 Pet 4:8; John 13:35  Through the blessing of Holy Spirit, love is made manifest in one’s heart.  If the leaders of the organization  worked in harmony with Christ and his love, there would be no question on how to deal with such offenses.  Did Jesus ever hesitate?

“But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?”  1 John 3:17


 
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This portion of the transcript confirms exactly what I said, They would rather have to be forced to contact authorities then change their policy. This proves that they know the policy is flawed, but are reluctant to change it. 

I've never actually encountered a JW who so readily goes against WTS teaching by trying to throw Russell under the bus.
Even though they don't claim JWs, current Bible Students claim Russell and his Bible Students as their predecessors, just as JWs do.  You've quoted from a current Bible Students web page which shows they do and I linked you to the WT brochure which shows JWs do.  And it's not just in the JW brochure but throughout WTS publications references are made to the JW beginnings in the 1870's as Bible Students.  Even the current identity of the faithful slave goes back to before Rutherford instituted the name change.
I have not told any lies and I ask that you stop with the personal insults.  If that's the only way you know how to discuss your religion, there's no point in continuing any discussion with you.
 

Learning something new is quite different from having learned something false in first grade that had to be corrected in fifth grade.
Has the WTS dropped its required two witnesses to child molestation?  That would be real progress.

The WTS will NOT stagnate on its understanding by NOT putting the proper revision in place.
 
Then why has the child abuse policy stayed the same? Not reporting to authorities on EACH AND EVERY CASE!

You're welcome, Witness.   And thanks for those powerful scriptures.
You mention how often "obey God as ruler rather than men" is found at jw.org.  It's revealing that both times this is referred to in Acts it is about preaching in the name of Jesus:
Acts 4:18   And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.19 But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; 20 for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard.” 
Acts 5:28  “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and(B)intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.” 29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."
It brings to mind the question: why weren't they preaching in Jehovah's name? 

Holly, thank you for your research on this.  The sheep in the organization are led astray by confusing doctrine; what is taught today was not the case yesterday.  Would those men who spoke of Christ as being worshiped be disfellowshipped today? It would be considered blasphemy by the GB if one were to say they worship Christ.  Truly, it is Satan that opposes any worship to be given Christ, instilling this thought in the heart.  How strong he presents the desire for us to worship HIM, through his use of the world and all that is in it, which happens to be where the organization resides.

God does not commend any shepherd for double-mindedness.

“You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.  Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us?  But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:

“God opposes the proud
    but shows favor to the humble.”

 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.  Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom.  Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.”  James 4:4-10

“Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?  My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.”  James 3:10-12

“Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.” But the people said nothing.”  1 Kings 18:21
So, too, the sheep say nothing in the organization do today.  If one says worship Christ, they do.  If one says no, they don’t.  This is the downfall of giving obedience to men….and yet, “obey God as ruler rather than men” is found numerous times on the org’s website…for a reason.  Could this be Satan covering his tracks while he brings in the deception?  The meaning of Babylon is "confusion"; concerning Revelation's Babylon, we are told


“‘Come out of her, my people,'
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes."  Rev 18:4,5


 

 

In the early days of the WTS, its founder, C.T. Russell, included the worship of Jesus Christ in the charter of the Watchtower Bible & Trast Society as one of its purposes. If you have the 1945 Yearbook, you'll find it on page 32. If not, it is online at this website:http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/archi...s/yb1945_E.pdf

And this is the text you'll find there---notice the part I bolded:
 
  32 Yearbook

received from that state a charter to carry on their
Christian activity. The chartered purposes of that Society
are in full accord with the Lord's command to
'go, disciple all nations'. The words of its present
charter show that the purposes of the Watch Tower
Bible & Tract Society are :

To act as the servant of and the legal world-wide governing
agency for that body of Christian persons known as
Jehovah's witnesses; to preach the gospel of God's kingdom
under Christ Jesus unto all nations as a witness to the name,
word and supremacy of Almighty God JEHOVAH ; to print
and distribute Bibles and to disseminate Bible truths In
various languages by means of making and publishing literature
containing information and comment explaining
Bible truths and prophecy concerning establishment of Jehovah's
kingdom under Christ Jesus; to authorize and appoint
agents, servants, employees, teachers, instructors,
evangelists, missionaries and ministers to go forth to all the
world publicly and from house to house to preach and teach
Bible truths to persons willing to listen by leaving with such
persons said literature and by conducting Bible studies thereon
; to improve men, women and children mentally and
morally by Christian missionary work and by charitable
and benevolent instruction of the people on the Bible and
incidental scientific, historical and literary subjects; to
establish and maintain private Bible schools and classes
for gratuitous Instruction of men and women in the Bible,
Bible literature and Bible history; to teach, train, prepare
and equip men and women as ministers, missionaries, evangelists,
preachers, teachers and lecturers ; to provide and
maintain homes, places and buildings for gratuitous housing
of such students, lecturers, teachers and ministers ; to furnish
gratuitously to such students, lecturers, teachers, educators
and ministers suitable meals and lodging, and to
prepare, support, maintain and send out to various parts
of the world Christian missionaries, teachers and instructors
in the Bible and Bible literature, and for public Christian
worship of Almighty God and Christ Jesus; to arrange
for and hold local and world-wide assemblies for such worship;
to use or operate radio broadcasting stations for
preaching this gospel of the Kingdom ; and to do any and all
other lawful things that its Board of Directors shall deem
expedient for the purposes stated. Not only that, these are excerpts from other WTS publications, beginning with Russell's view:
"It seems clear that His Divinity was retained in humanity because He repeatedly spoke of Himself as having come down from heaven, and because He, though passing through trial and sorrow as a man, was yet possessed of the authority and exercised the prerogatives of a God. He was the object of unreproved worship even when a babe, by the wise men who came to see the new-born King. Matt. 2:2-11. Even the angels delighted to do Him honor. "When He bringeth the first-begotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb. 1:6. He never reproved any one for acts of worship offered to Himself, but when Cornelius offered such service to Peter--the leading apostle-- "he took him up, saying, stand up; I myself also am a man." .... Had Christ not been more than a man the same reason would have prevented from receiving worship...." Zion's Watch Tower 1880 Oct pp.2-3

"It is undoubtedly proper enough for us to address petitions to our Redeemer and Advocate, who loved us and gave himself for us....Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, it evidently could not be improper so to do; for such a course is nowhere prohibited, and the disciples worshiped him." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 May 15 p.157 

"Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer. Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216 

"In one respect many of Christendom could learn numerous important lessons from these wise Gentiles....They worshiped him in three senses of the word: (1) They fell before him, prostrated themselves, thus physically expressing their reverence. (2) They worshiped him in their hearts and with the tongue gave expression to their rejoicing and confidence. (3) They opened their treasure-box and presented to him three gifts appropriate to royalty: the myrrh representing submission, frankincense representing praise, gold representing obedience." Zion's Watch Tower 1906 Jan 1 p.15
Rutherford continued this teaching: 
"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah's purpose (Heb.:3-6)." Watchtower 1939 Nov 15 p.339 

"During the Millennium, "the princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ." Vindication Volume 3 (J. F. Rutherford, 1932) p.295 

"The people of all nations who obtain salvation must come to the house of the Lord to worship there; that is to say, they must believe on and worship Jehovah God and the Lord Jesus Christ, his chief instrument (Philippians 2:10, 11)." Salvation (J. F. Rutherford, 1939) p.151
Knorr continued this teaching: 
"Now, at Christ's coming to reign as king in Jehovah's capital organization Zion, to bring in a righteous new world, Jehovah makes him infinitely higher than the godly angels or messengers and accordingly commands them to worship him. Since Jehovah God now reigns as King by means of his capital organization Zion, then whosoever would worship Him must also worship and bow down to Jehovah's Chief One in that capital organization, namely, Christ Jesus, his Co-regent on the throne of The Theocracy." Watchtower 1945 Oct 15 p.313
Take into account also that the WTS says not only did God approve of this, but HE Himself was enlightening Russell and Rutherford spiritually to teach this. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/b...-rediscovered/
 

JWT,
I have gone through all of your posts and, correct me if I am wrong, but I found only one possible quote from the Watchtower.  I say possible because there was no reference to the article.  Instead, I see you rely on the Matthew Henry Commentary consistently. Is he a JW?

I find this rather interesting, since you heavily support the GB but don’t rely on their words. Pondering on this brings the thought that others actually write the articles for the GB’s approval. This also shows that the GB no longer has connection with the vine of Christ.  Hmmm.  Mal 2:7; Heb 13:15; 1 John 2:27; John 15:4; 8:32; 1 John 1:6

In reality, this well supports an alternate priesthood feeding the sheep, other than the beloved GB.  Num 16:10; 2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15  

It is futile to go on bantering back and forth, JWT.  As you attack my person continually, it shows me that truly, love is not found in the organization by most; although, there are exceptions among JWs on this forum. Since you have no idea just how important it is for JWs to wake up; and thinking I am here because of hate for my own brothers and sisters, I am saddened to think that when Christ visibly arrives, those of the majority, whether part of the Body of Christ or all sheep, will still be found protecting their great mountainlike organization.

Samaria's king shall perish
    like a twig on the face of the waters.
8 The high places of Aven, the sin of Israel,
    shall be destroyed.
Thorn and thistle shall grow up
    on their altars,
and they shall say to the mountains, “Cover us,”
    and to the hills, “Fall on us.”  Hos 10:7,8

 “But turning to them Jesus said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.  For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’  Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’  For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”  Luke 23:28-30

“Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,  for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”  Rev 6:15-17

“Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain. And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’”  Zech 4:7

“The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.  A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”  Rev 8:8,9

“The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,  nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.”  Rev 9:20,21


 

JWT,
I have gone through all of your posts and, correct me if I am wrong, but I found only one possible quote from the Watchtower.  I say possible because there was no reference to the article.  Instead, I see you rely on the Matthew Henry Commentary consistently. Is he a JW?

I find this rather interesting, since you heavily support the GB but don’t rely on their words. Pondering on this brings the thought that others actually write the articles for the GB’s approval. This also shows that the GB no longer has connection with the vine of Christ.  Hmmm.  Mal 2:7; Heb 13:15; 1 John 2:27; John 15:4; 8:32; 1 John 1:6

In reality, this well supports an alternate priesthood feeding the sheep, other than the beloved GB.  Num 16:10; 2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15  

It is futile to go on bantering back and forth, JWT.  As you attack my person continually, it shows me that truly, love is not found in the organization by most; although, there are exceptions among JWs on this forum. Since you have no idea just how important it is for JWs to wake up; and thinking I am here because of hate for my own brothers and sisters, I am saddened to think that when Christ visibly arrives, those of the majority, whether part of the Body of Christ or all sheep, will still be found protecting their great mountainlike organization.

Samaria's king shall perish
    like a twig on the face of the waters.
8 The high places of Aven, the sin of Israel,
    shall be destroyed.
Thorn and thistle shall grow up
    on their altars,
and they shall say to the mountains, “Cover us,”
    and to the hills, “Fall on us.”  Hos 10:7,8

 “But turning to them Jesus said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.  For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’  Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’  For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”  Luke 23:28-30

“Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,  for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”  Rev 6:15-17

“Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain. And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’”  Zech 4:7

“The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.  A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”  Rev 8:8,9

“The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,  nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.”  Rev 9:20,21


 

"And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.  And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.  But the one who endures to the end will be saved.  And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."  Matt 24:11-14

The love of many will grow cold, as the result of lawlessness - a falling away from the commandments of Christ – to love one another as oneself, and to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind; both of which the organization cannot boast of doing. 

Take comfort in knowing, Shiwiii, that the true gospel being preached is the coming of Christ and the call to “come out of her my people” (Rev 18:4-8) and repent for our sins, as the New Covenant reaches fulfillment. As JWs look for the “Great Tribulation” still to come, they have no clue how the heart and soul undergo a tribulation when issues like your own, as well as choosing truth in Christ over the lies in the organization, affects the person.  In my opinion, the Great Tribulation is underway and hearts are making their choice based on their own desires – to serve God or man.

Most certainly you are in my prayers.

"And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.  And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.  But the one who endures to the end will be saved.  And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."  Matt 24:11-14

The love of many will grow cold, as the result of lawlessness - a falling away from the commandments of Christ – to love one another as oneself, and to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind; both of which the organization cannot boast of doing. 

Take comfort in knowing, Shiwiii, that the true gospel being preached is the coming of Christ and the call to “come out of her my people” (Rev 18:4-8) and repent for our sins, as the New Covenant reaches fulfillment. As JWs look for the “Great Tribulation” still to come, they have no clue how the heart and soul undergo a tribulation when issues like your own, as well as choosing truth in Christ over the lies in the organization, affects the person.  In my opinion, the Great Tribulation is underway and hearts are making their choice based on their own desires – to serve God or man.

Most certainly you are in my prayers.

One of Your Own popes, Geoffrey Jackson, has admitted that there have been molesters within the organization that have not been turned over to authorities. This isn't behind the scenes,  but rather under oath in a court of law, Caesars law, to which the Bible tells us we must obey.
Maybe you should watch the Australian royal commission and see for yourself.  Or you can research the San Diego superior court case against Mr Campos.
I'm not afraid to have my posts challenged, in fact I would hope each and every one of them are. Then we have discussion.  You need to come to the table with proof of your claims and I will do the same. I've given you my proof, please provide yours.

Shiwii is correct.  You're the one feeding into sensationalizing this without any support for your careless remarks.  Can you produce evidence that shows Catholics did this vandalism on the orders of the Pope?  If not, you should probably not say anything more about it. 
And...the truth is Nelson Barbour was NOT a Catholic Priest. Didn't you know that?  Or are you referring to the former Catholic priest your translation of John 1:1 is based on?  The one the WTS said was in touch with demons.
Don't even start on the negligence perpetrated toward abuse victims by the WTS with their two-witness rule and reluctance to report abuse crimes to the police and child welfare. They have as much to answer to God concerning this as does the Catholic church and any church that covers this crime up.
 

This Statement By You Is Very telling. You have no idea of the facts, only what the wt has told you. For you to call these cases a money grab and that they are "shysters", when you know nothing of the abuse. The wt has admitted to the fact that these were substantiated claims and that they also have the proof and in some cases confessions. But you can't accept this. So you put your fingers in your ears and scream la la la la I can't hear you.
 
Also by liking your own posts to puff up your "status" is par for the course with the wt too.

Aren't you reading a little too far into this and creating a persecution complex for the society? I for one do not believe this to be true of jws in general,  but to fabricate a spin is just like the wt to do, instead of taking the "news" at face value. 
Now the second half is something completely different.  The refusal to turn over documents that they had already turned over is appalling,  unless they have something to hide. The details of the first turn over, being redacted beyond recognition is hiding something. If they stand for truth and what Jesus stood for, then they should have no problem.

This is his only structure, built on love, of which I brought out above:

“Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”  They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. John 2:19,20

1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:22, 22,20; Ps 118:22; 1 Cor 12:27,18,28; 1 Cor 11:28,28,31; Rev 20:6; James 1:18, Rev 14:4

You still haven’t shown me any other arrangement.  The early temple arrangement was a shadow of this new Temple in Christ.

They serve in a sanctuary that is a copy, a shadow of the heavenly one. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tent: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.”  Heb 8:5

These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.  Col 2:17

Heb 10:1; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10

We know that on the hearts of these anointed ones are God’s laws written by the holy spirit, which causes them to “bear witness” through their works when in harmony with these laws. 2 Cor 3:3; Rom 2:12-16

“So how can one be of one body and one mind, if one does not build upon the structure with obedience.”

Obedience to whom?  To man?  And what structure can man build as equal to what God has created?  The structure built upon, is Christ and the anointed Body, to the benefit of all.  Our obedience is not to men (obey God as ruler rather than men), but to the Father and Christ.  Acts 5:29; Rom 6:16 

You say,  “Those instructions were passed down in a form of obedience to direction by God’s inspired word.”

Are you implying this obedience must come through men, when we are to obey the gospel, God and Christ?  Gal 3:1; 5:7; 2 Thess 1:8

"Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching (from God). My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them." John 14:23

Paul said, “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.”  2 Thess 3:14   This says nothing about obeying men and their uninspired writings (which they agree are not inspired); but the gospel which is inspired.

If we obey what Jesus taught, we are obeying God.  John 12:49  Now, if you throw in Heb 13:17 which says…

 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

Look at the word for, “who rule over you”, G2233, which means basically, to “lead, to go before, to be a leader”.  In the Body of Christ, there are leaders to lead one to Christ and obey his teachings through fine fruits of the holy spirit. (Mal 2:7-9)  Jesus was a leader who washed his disciple's feet.  This is leading by example in servitude and humility. Paul was one of those leaders, who would teach as you say….

“These instructions were given for the purpose of not deviating away from the message. For us to get it straight, so that our teaching would be sound when teaching others.”

That’s the key, isn’t it, sound teaching in Christ; which the Wt doesn’t display through their historic failed prophesies and their present infamous words showing otherwise:

At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.  w13 11/15 pp. 16-20 –

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers 2 Tim 4:3

This is the exact scripture you pointed out to me.  A true leader in Christ would say, “Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.”  2 Tim 1:13

“There is a chain of command per say to fulfilling all of our godly devotion.”

One of the WT lawyers actually did compare the organization the Catholic Church and its hierarchy. 

 Calvin Rouse -  “We are a hierarchical religion just like the Catholic Church.  And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest”

Once upon a time, it was said:

“Who, then, is doing the discipling work today? There can be no doubt of this. It is the Christian witnesses of Jehovah. The revival of the work of making disciples is to be found in that organization in these last days. They have freed themselves from the constricting creeds and contaminating false doctrines of the nominal churches. They have freed themselves from the hierarchical, congregational and all other forms of church rule that are unscriptural and they are governed by theocratic rule.” (w66 4/1 p205)

There is no superiority within the body of Christ! Paul continually built up the body in love, while the GB has torn it down in lack of love due to an atmosphere of superiority. 

Paul’s words:

Rom 12:13 - 3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.

while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.  If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 1 Cor 12:24-26

 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave.  Matt.20:26,27

The GB teaches obedience to them; thus, this is your "chain of command". If they were truly a servant as Paul, not only to the whole Body of Christ but to all; they would “slave” as such a servant in humility, but instead prefer the best seat with a title only Jesus Christ will give to any servant who proves faithful. 

Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms. 1 PET 4:10

 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen. And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.  Matt 20:16

“You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, (for instance, “defrocking a priest and kicking him out”) you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.  Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.  So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?  Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? Rom 2:1-4

Does this last scripture allow for any judgment on the part of GB to wield against one’s own brother through disfellowshiping or to submit to obedience...to mere men?  This is the difference between Christ’s total arrangement and the centralized authoritative arrangement by men, where love cannot exist.

 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them.  Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”  Matt 20:25-28

Take these scriptures and align them with the WT comment that obedience is necessary even if doctrine is not “sound”. 

"It is extremely important for us to obey the elders.  Why?  Think of how Jehovah gave instructions to his people so that they could survive difficult times in the past."  WT 11/2013

This is not the guidance Paul gave, in fact to those who were lording it over others he said,

“ For who makes you differ from another? 1 Cor 4:7

The genuine anointed GB has chosen for themselves the title “faithful slave” over all other anointed in Christ.  This desire for prominence is not new:

 For who makes you superior? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not receive it?  You already have all you want! (a self-assumed title of a faithful and discreet slave) You have already become rich! You have become kings without us! I wish you really were kings so that we could be kings with you! 9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display in last place, like men condemned to death. We have become a spectacle for the world, for angels, and for people to stare at. 

It is the “wicked brothers” considered “spiritually dead” that become the spectacle; all for serving Christ and the Father and knowing obedience to men is unscriptural.

We are fools for the Messiah’s sake, but you are wise in the Messiah. We are weak, but you are strong. You are honored, but we are dishonored.1 We are hungry, thirsty, dressed in rags, brutally treated, and homeless, right up to the present.  We wear ourselves out from working with our own hands. When insulted, we bless. When persecuted, we endure.  When slandered, we answer with kind words. Even now we have become the filth of the world, the scum of the universe.1 Cor 4:7-13

Those that stand up to the GB and elder body, by saying their salvation is in God and Christ alone,  follow the example of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego

“Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the gold image which I have set up?

 (Do you not accept or identify that the organizational image is sanctioned by God?)

But if you do not worship, you shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. And who is the god who will deliver you from my hands?”  Dan 3:15

Disfellowshiping ensues with the mark of a “spiritual death”  Rev 11:9

If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up.”

“Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”  

 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.  Rev 11:11

Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying, “Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, who sent His Angel and delivered His servants who trusted in Him, and they have frustrated the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they should not serve nor worship any god except their own God!  Dan 3:28

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.  Rev 20:4

There is no comparing Paul’s encouraging guidance to lead ones to Christ, against the GB’s assumed authority passed on to “gentile” elders who require full obedience to them.  Rom 4:4;Luke 16:10

Now concerning food offered to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.  If anyone thinks he really knows something, he has not yet learned it as he ought to know it.  But anyone who loves God is known by him.  1 Cor 8:1-3

One last thought, when the organization was instituting a governing body in the ‘70’s, Fred Franz gave a revealing talk to the Gilead Graduating class of September ’75, proving there was no governing body in the first century.  I hope you consider hearing it.  

http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/minimoog-898174-gilead-grad-talk-59th-class/

 

Foolish Virgins    http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/04/foolish-virgins.html

 


 

 

I give you scripture upon scripture, hoping you will open your eyes.  Yes, Christ demands unity of the Body as source of teaching and building up of one another. In prophesy, we are told that those who are “sighing and groaning” over all these detestable things is being done in the midst of “Jerusalem”.  Ezek 9:4   The anointed are God’s Temple, New Jerusalem and the location of the detestable things being committed.  1 Pet 2:5,9 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:22, 21, 20; Ps 118:22

The perceived unity within the organization is forced by men at the direction of, yes, an evil slave who demands silence among God’s chosen ones.  Concerning the entire situation of the organization, there are those who either “like it that way” (Jer 5:30,31) and continue in idolatry in God’s name (Rev 14:18,19; Jer25: 29,30) or they wake up, get out and follow God’s requirements for life.  Isa 42:18-20,23; Matt 24:37,39.

Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of a club. They do not try to find other anointed ones so that they can talk about being anointed or meet in groups to study the Bible. W 16/1 p 20-26

“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’  And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”  Matt 24:44-46

Learn about the Body of Christ in 1 Cor 12:1-31   Read your scriptures and put man’s opinion aside.

And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.  So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. 2 Cor 11:12-15

An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature). it-1 pp. 1167-1172

We also love the organization that Jehovah uses to teach us wonderful truths. ws11 7/15 pp. 10-16

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.  For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. 2 Cor 11:3,4


 

I give you scripture upon scripture, hoping you will open your eyes.  Yes, Christ demands unity of the Body as source of teaching and building up of one another. In prophesy, we are told that those who are “sighing and groaning” over all these detestable things is being done in the midst of “Jerusalem”.  Ezek 9:4   The anointed are God’s Temple, New Jerusalem and the location of the detestable things being committed.  1 Pet 2:5,9 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:22, 21, 20; Ps 118:22

The perceived unity within the organization is forced by men at the direction of, yes, an evil slave who demands silence among God’s chosen ones.  Concerning the entire situation of the organization, there are those who either “like it that way” (Jer 5:30,31) and continue in idolatry in God’s name (Rev 14:18,19; Jer25: 29,30) or they wake up, get out and follow God’s requirements for life.  Isa 42:18-20,23; Matt 24:37,39.

Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of a club. They do not try to find other anointed ones so that they can talk about being anointed or meet in groups to study the Bible. W 16/1 p 20-26

“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’  And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”  Matt 24:44-46

Learn about the Body of Christ in 1 Cor 12:1-31   Read your scriptures and put man’s opinion aside.

And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.  So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. 2 Cor 11:12-15

An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature). it-1 pp. 1167-1172

We also love the organization that Jehovah uses to teach us wonderful truths. ws11 7/15 pp. 10-16

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.  For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. 2 Cor 11:3,4


 

The instrument is broken, all of them!!!! 
That is why we are to follow Jesus and not ANY so called organization. I say so called because those in each organization do not and cannot follow men, because men change their ideas to suit their needs. 

Hi again Mr V,
I'm wondering if maybe a new thread is in order for your questions, unless you are relating them in some way to the question in the OP.  If you are, could you explain how.....for instance, are you saying you believe the men on the WTS governing body are on par with the angel in these passages?
Everyone who has received the Holy Spirit are moved by Him, but it won't be in any way that contradicts scripture.  So, if the men on the governing body were wrong, for instance, about the child in Revelation 12 being the antichrist, that would not have been something that came from the Holy Spirit since it contradicts scripture.  Was the Holy Spirit moving them to identify first the 144,000 as the faithful servant of Matthew 24:45, and then to discard that teaching and identify Russell alone as that servant, then to discard that teaching and again identify the 144,000 as the faithful servant, and now to discard all of those teachings and identify just the handful of men on the WTS governing body as the faithful slave of Matthew 24:45?
How about when they presumed an appointment over all of the Master's earthly interests?  Were they moved by the Holy Spirit to presume that appointment and now moved by Him to discard that belief and say it didn't happen after all and they are still waiting to be found faithful to receive that appointment?
If it's your belief that the leaders of the WTS have been moved by the Holy Spirit in all their teachings, even when those have been wrong teachings and had to be changed, is that the reason you believe JWs should be willing to accept changes in what they've said the Bible really teaches?

So who does Satan gather together for war at the end of the 1000 year reign if all that are left are perfect?