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@César Chávez Every comment you give shows more and more your lack of confidence.  You lack confidence in your GB, your CCJW Org and yourself.  You prove your lack of confidence by continuing to try to insult me and by the way you jump from one subject to another, then another. 
You last comment was about JTR and Alan Smith, now you are burbling about 'gay union' and war.   None of which relates to this topic at all.  But i will relate to one of your previous comments, a scripture.  From Matthew 7 
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Now that scripture can easily relate to your GB and the other leaders/helpers in the CCJW / Watchtower. 
Your Leaders show up the faults in other religions, but hide the faults in their own Organisation.  It's fact, live with it or leave the Org. 

@César Chávez  you are burbling.  You ramble on about my words being empty, and then you start going on about JTR and Allen smith, and 'proper authorities being informed'. Everything you say there is totally off topic and does not relate to anything we have spoken about. 
Yes if it has been proven, then JTR messed up his own life, and must pay the price both legally and spiritually. 
As for Allen Smith he was before my time on here and I know nothing about him. 
I agree that God through Christ will judge us all. I'm not expecting to be in the 'New World'.
However Romans 9 v 14, 15 & 16 tells us, 
14  What are we to say, then? Is there injustice with God? Certainly not! 15  For he says to Moses: “I will show mercy to whomever I will show mercy, and I will show compassion to whomever I will show compassion.” 16  So, then, it depends, not on a person’s desire or on his effort, but on God, who has mercy. 
So no matter what we think of each other, it is Almighty God through Jesus Christ that judges us as individuals when judgement day arrives. 
But for now, each of us has to judge the GB and the CCJW Organisation for ourselves. You judge them to be good. I judge them to be bad. We have to judge them to be able to make a decision about what we should do in our own lives.  You have judged them to be serving God properly therefore you follow them. I have judged them to be turning their back on God and Christ and therefore I have left them.  
However you have judged me "as a prosecutor of Gods people and his faithful servants, regardless if you accept it or not." And you tell me "You are only condemning yourself!!" 
So, you make judgement of me. That is of course your choice. But you are judging me by the standards of the GB and the CCJW. You are not judging me by God's written word. No where in God's word does in mention the GB or the CCJW as being God's people. Please remember the scriptures say, 'by their works you will know them'. And I have judged the GB and the CCJW Org' by Bible principles and by Jesus' words.  

Do you have problem with perception ...... 
.....or authors of this WT magazines have problem with self valuation ? This claims/quotes tell nothing about, what you call - "fallen in satan's world", or may we say, .....fall under satan's influence. 
Or the imperceptible influence of the evil one occurs, so the WTJWorg claim to have the truth is nothing special, for others also claim to have the truth.... , without being aware that they are under the influence of lies !?
This JW people who wrote articles speaking only about "truth" inside WTJWorg religion. They say: WE HAVE THE TRUTH and WE PRACTICE THE TRUTH.
Do you want to change your question, perhaps? :)) Or do you like to agree with conclusion how your attempt to defend WTJWorg is without foundation because of your statement: Now show me a religious group that "hasn't" fallen in Satan's world?
 
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe That They Have the One True Religion?
Those who are serious about religion should think that the one they’ve chosen is acceptable to God and Jesus. Otherwise, why would they be involved in it?  Jesus Christ didn’t agree with the view that there are many religions, many roads, all leading to salvation. Rather, he said: “Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.” (Matthew 7:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that they’ve found that road. Otherwise, they’d look for another religion. - https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/true-religion/
Are You Convinced That You Have the Truth? Why?
....In other words, they are practicing true Christianity. ......As devoted Christian preachers and teachers, Jehovah’s Witnesses are so convinced that they have found the truth ......Witnesses do all of this because they are convinced that they have found the truth......That Jehovah’s Witnesses hold to God’s standards—in stark contrast with the permissiveness common in many churches—has in itself convinced many that this is a people who practice the truth......That Jehovah’s Witnesses hold to God’s standards—in stark contrast with the permissiveness common in many churches—has in itself convinced many that this is a people who practice the truth. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20140915/jehovahs-witnesses-convinced-have-truth/

These words by @César Chávez 
By your misinterpretation and nonsense, Of course. Now show me a religious group that "hasn't" fallen in Satan's world? Show me a list of "all" the government institutions that are perfect. 
So, is Ce'sar judging the CCJW by worldly standards. Is he say the CCJW is better than all the rest?
DID GOD judge the Nation Of Israel by the condition of the rest of the world ? NO. 
GOD judged the Nation Of Israel by HIS OWN standards. And so it shall be. GOD through Christ will judge the GB and the CCJW by GOD'S STANDARDS not by the fallen standards of the rest of the world. 
 
 

Remember when Jesus was asked a question about His authority, Jesus answered with another question. 
Well then, can you provide a quote where I have said, that the Leaders of the CCJW said the world is going to be destroyed in 1975. 
But there seems to be lots of proof available that the Leaders of that organisation made false predictions in 1941 and in the 1960's. When that organisation said in the 60's that it would be fulfilled 'within a FEW YEARS' of the time those magazines were written.  Tell me, from your viewpoint, how many is a FEW ?  Surely less than 10.

So called "despicable apostates" only "reproach" WTJWorg GB corporation for their manipulative using of Bible and God for own interests. 

Oh Screcko, they're just saying they're grateful. 🙂 They've got this terrible habit of feigning piety.

It can be, it can be. 
When religious leaders teach in a manner of "clarifications", "new lights", "beliefs clarified" and similar things constantly + UN, OSCE, CSA and are involved in various Court cases and investigations.  When their "doctrinal pearls" with real estate manipulations comes to be visible for many people, ....yes it is useful to ask; "Are they qualified to lead people and represents King Jesus?" 
Do they?
For the sake of argument only: Is the instruction to destroy the incriminating documentation, on global scale in WTJWorg, an instruction that came from Jesus?
:))) you are funny

The following quote bears repeating, posted two days ago, on another JW forum:
Please see the study article, “Their Refuge–A Lie!” in the June 1, 1991 Watchtower, noting paragraphs 1, 10 and 11. Paragraph 1 calls Christendom “that apostate religious organization.” Why apostate? Paragraph 10 asserts that “she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations–this despite the Bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God.”   To support that assertion, paragraph 11 quotes an unnamed “recent book” which reports that “no fewer than 24 Catholic organizations are represented at the UN.” How were such organizations represented at the UN? The unnamed book quoted in paragraph 11 is New Genesis by Robert Muller. (See attachment #1.) The sentence immediately preceding the portion quoted by Watchtower states, “All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations.”   Why did Watchtower omit that significant statement? In the same year as that 1991 study article, the Watchtower Society also became accredited to the United Nations as a non-governmental organization, and served as publicity agents for the UN for the next 10 years–reapplying each consecutive year–until the alliance was exposed by the Guardian newspaper in October 2001, whereupon Watchtower withdrew its membership. (Watch Tower admits its affiliation to its Branch Committee in attachment #2.)   Notice that Watchtower’s letter refers to the Guardian article as “published allegations by opposers,” yet later states that “we are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.” No mention, however, is made of the June 1, 1991 study article.   According to a public statement issued the UN’s Department of Public Information (UN/DPI), registered NGO’s had to “share the ideals of the UN charter” and “have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences.” (See attachment #3.)   What is Watchtower policy regarding individual JWs who do what their organization did? “A person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. So if one who is a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he has disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” (Sept. 15, 1981, Watchtower, p. 23, par. 15)   “In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. . .Hence for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of a so-called “Christian” association would amount to apostasy.” (Jan. 1, 1979, Watchtower p. 31)   According to the standard by which it judged Christendom to be apostate, and in light of Jesus’ words at Mathew 12:37 that “by your words you will be condemned,” should the Watchtower Society be viewed as an apostate religious organization?  

"inflamed statements" by the WT.  And you provided the list, which we are to "understand" and accept that they had a valid role in Wt's teachings?  What?  Their only purpose today, is to reveal them for what they are - false teachings.   Yes, his comment is a meager attempt at damage control. 
This reminds me of Jesus' warning in Matt 16:6,12
“Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees...Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
Luke 12:1 calls this "yeast"/teaching, hypocrisy.
I was thinking about the contrast of the use of the word, "yeast" in both this scripture and in Matt 13:33
"He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
Yeast transforms dough through living fermentation, creating heat.  When added to flour and water,  bread is produced.  The Pharisee's teachings infiltrated every fiber of " bread"/spiritual food they produced and taught the people.  God's word became corrupted.  Mark 7:6,7; 1 Cor 5:7
"You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.”  Gal 5:7
All of those quotes you gave us, were persuasion tactics, found in unfit food/bread, already consumed. Do JWs realize that everyone in the organization, including their leaders, consumed "empty philosophy"?  Col 2:8  Which "spirit" was responsible for heating up those expressions - those hypocritical "teachings"/yeast?  Wicked men harbor a wicked spirit.  (1 Tim 4:1,2) 
Who would be ignorant enough to treasure stale "bread"?  Why does the organization defend its larder of unfit stale, moldy, "bread", not even fit to feed the birds?  
Jesus is the "bread of life", formed from "living water" and "wheat".  (John 12:23-26) He is filled with the Spirit of truth.  (John 7:38; 14:6; Phil 1:19; Rom 8:8,9) His pure teachings transform, even inflames those who accept and teach them, as the teachings of salvation.  This is how the Kingdom of God will grow.   
John 6:35-37 - Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away."
 

Are you promoting the premier brochure "What is God's Kingdom"?  Is this the good news that you are referring to?  Because again, it is promoting 1914 - the date tied to WT prophesy that you question as true.  
"The sign that Jesus gave, along with Bible chronology, helps us understand that God set up his Kingdom in heaven in the year 1914. * At that time, he installed his Son, Jesus Christ, as King. (Psalm 2:2, 4, 6-9)
They didn't use Psalm 110:1 as they commonly do.  Maybe because people are reading their Bible and continue to Psalm 110:2 (1 Cor 15:24-28)  Maybe the GB must hide the fact that Jesus began his reign while on the earth, since 1914 is a core teaching that can't be eliminated.  There could be a huge upheaval - an exodus as a result.  That would not be good news at all for your leadership. But die-hards will remain - those who trust their leaders as the origin of "new light".   The blame for belief in a falsehood/'error' will fall on those who left the organization, since it will be promoted that they are the ones who lost their "faith" in the spirit-directed organization; subsequently, even though they reject the lie, your organization will say they reject God.   
Matt 21:5; John 1:49; 18:36,37; Luke 17:20,21; 11:20; Luke 22:69; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:24,25; Dan 2:44
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+21%3A5%3B+John+1%3A49%3B+18%3A36%2C37%3B+Luke+17%3A20%2C21%3B+11%3A20%3B+Luke+22%3A69%3B+Ps+110%3A1%2C2%3B+1+Cor+15%3A24%2C25%3B+Dan+2%3A44&version=NKJV
We can't claim to be "for truth", and tolerate a lie, in order to preserve one's allegiance to an organization.  We can't say we are preaching "good news", when we know that the message contains lies.  
As Elijah said,   “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” But the people answered him not a word."   1 Kings 18:21
 
 

The following quote bears repeating, posted two days ago, on another JW forum:
Please see the study article, “Their Refuge–A Lie!” in the June 1, 1991 Watchtower, noting paragraphs 1, 10 and 11. Paragraph 1 calls Christendom “that apostate religious organization.” Why apostate? Paragraph 10 asserts that “she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations–this despite the Bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God.”   To support that assertion, paragraph 11 quotes an unnamed “recent book” which reports that “no fewer than 24 Catholic organizations are represented at the UN.” How were such organizations represented at the UN? The unnamed book quoted in paragraph 11 is New Genesis by Robert Muller. (See attachment #1.) The sentence immediately preceding the portion quoted by Watchtower states, “All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations.”   Why did Watchtower omit that significant statement? In the same year as that 1991 study article, the Watchtower Society also became accredited to the United Nations as a non-governmental organization, and served as publicity agents for the UN for the next 10 years–reapplying each consecutive year–until the alliance was exposed by the Guardian newspaper in October 2001, whereupon Watchtower withdrew its membership. (Watch Tower admits its affiliation to its Branch Committee in attachment #2.)   Notice that Watchtower’s letter refers to the Guardian article as “published allegations by opposers,” yet later states that “we are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.” No mention, however, is made of the June 1, 1991 study article.   According to a public statement issued the UN’s Department of Public Information (UN/DPI), registered NGO’s had to “share the ideals of the UN charter” and “have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences.” (See attachment #3.)   What is Watchtower policy regarding individual JWs who do what their organization did? “A person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. So if one who is a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he has disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” (Sept. 15, 1981, Watchtower, p. 23, par. 15)   “In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. . .Hence for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of a so-called “Christian” association would amount to apostasy.” (Jan. 1, 1979, Watchtower p. 31)   According to the standard by which it judged Christendom to be apostate, and in light of Jesus’ words at Mathew 12:37 that “by your words you will be condemned,” should the Watchtower Society be viewed as an apostate religious organization?  

"inflamed statements" by the WT.  And you provided the list, which we are to "understand" and accept that they had a valid role in Wt's teachings?  What?  Their only purpose today, is to reveal them for what they are - false teachings.   Yes, his comment is a meager attempt at damage control. 
This reminds me of Jesus' warning in Matt 16:6,12
“Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees...Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
Luke 12:1 calls this "yeast"/teaching, hypocrisy.
I was thinking about the contrast of the use of the word, "yeast" in both this scripture and in Matt 13:33
"He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
Yeast transforms dough through living fermentation, creating heat.  When added to flour and water,  bread is produced.  The Pharisee's teachings infiltrated every fiber of " bread"/spiritual food they produced and taught the people.  God's word became corrupted.  Mark 7:6,7; 1 Cor 5:7
"You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.”  Gal 5:7
All of those quotes you gave us, were persuasion tactics, found in unfit food/bread, already consumed. Do JWs realize that everyone in the organization, including their leaders, consumed "empty philosophy"?  Col 2:8  Which "spirit" was responsible for heating up those expressions - those hypocritical "teachings"/yeast?  Wicked men harbor a wicked spirit.  (1 Tim 4:1,2) 
Who would be ignorant enough to treasure stale "bread"?  Why does the organization defend its larder of unfit stale, moldy, "bread", not even fit to feed the birds?  
Jesus is the "bread of life", formed from "living water" and "wheat".  (John 12:23-26) He is filled with the Spirit of truth.  (John 7:38; 14:6; Phil 1:19; Rom 8:8,9) His pure teachings transform, even inflames those who accept and teach them, as the teachings of salvation.  This is how the Kingdom of God will grow.   
John 6:35-37 - Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away."
 

Are you promoting the premier brochure "What is God's Kingdom"?  Is this the good news that you are referring to?  Because again, it is promoting 1914 - the date tied to WT prophesy that you question as true.  
"The sign that Jesus gave, along with Bible chronology, helps us understand that God set up his Kingdom in heaven in the year 1914. * At that time, he installed his Son, Jesus Christ, as King. (Psalm 2:2, 4, 6-9)
They didn't use Psalm 110:1 as they commonly do.  Maybe because people are reading their Bible and continue to Psalm 110:2 (1 Cor 15:24-28)  Maybe the GB must hide the fact that Jesus began his reign while on the earth, since 1914 is a core teaching that can't be eliminated.  There could be a huge upheaval - an exodus as a result.  That would not be good news at all for your leadership. But die-hards will remain - those who trust their leaders as the origin of "new light".   The blame for belief in a falsehood/'error' will fall on those who left the organization, since it will be promoted that they are the ones who lost their "faith" in the spirit-directed organization; subsequently, even though they reject the lie, your organization will say they reject God.   
Matt 21:5; John 1:49; 18:36,37; Luke 17:20,21; 11:20; Luke 22:69; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:24,25; Dan 2:44
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+21%3A5%3B+John+1%3A49%3B+18%3A36%2C37%3B+Luke+17%3A20%2C21%3B+11%3A20%3B+Luke+22%3A69%3B+Ps+110%3A1%2C2%3B+1+Cor+15%3A24%2C25%3B+Dan+2%3A44&version=NKJV
We can't claim to be "for truth", and tolerate a lie, in order to preserve one's allegiance to an organization.  We can't say we are preaching "good news", when we know that the message contains lies.  
As Elijah said,   “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” But the people answered him not a word."   1 Kings 18:21
 
 

Robert Luccioni "morning worship" or morning manipulation and damage control, quote:
"Wicked men and impostors would also inflame statements that people did not understand ...."
GB blamed in past and blame today own members because they "inflame" WT statements in publications. Do readers of this WT magazines need to, at all, to "inflame" what was already "inflamed"?? about 1941 and 1975??
Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work   in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioneers, on a contribution.   Watchtower 1941 September 15 Page 288
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------   “Does God’s rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man’s existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the “time of the end”.”Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20   “The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment.” Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272   “The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the “last days” have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13   “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15      

copy/paste from @4Jah2me topic: 
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston said institutions facing an application for redress were expected to join the scheme.
Jehovah's Witnesses, Kenja Communications and the Lakes Entrance Pony Club are some of the groups holding out.
"We've been extremely disappointed in the behaviour of the Jehovah's Witnesses," the minister told ABC radio on Friday.
"We have spent a lot of time trying to explain to them what we think is their moral obligation to participate in this scheme but they have to date declined to do so."
Survivors can't be given redress unless the institution they were abused by has joined the scheme.
WTJWorg is "morally neutral" :)) as in same-sex marriage issue ?? It seems how "redress" is also about "political issue" and not "moral issue" ??!! ... or, it is only about "money issue"? :))

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/teenagers/ask/is-homosexuality-wrong/
In this article that is published for all to see, we can make agree on what i was commenting.
Few quotes for evidence:
 In reality, God’s standards apply to all people, whether they have homosexual desires or heterosexual desires. 
Does that mean the Bible promotes hatred of gays? No. In fact, the Bible doesn’t promote hatred of anyone—gay or straight. Rather, it tells us to “pursue peace with all people,” regardless of their lifestyle. (Hebrews 12:14) So it’s wrong to engage in bullying, hate crimes, or any other type of mistreatment of homosexuals.
Does that mean that Christians should oppose laws that allow same-sex marriage? The Bible shows that God’s standard for marriage calls for the union of one man and one woman. (Matthew 19:4-6) However, discussions of human laws on same-sex marriage relate to a political issue, not a moral one. The Bible tells Christians to remain politically neutral. (John 18:36) Therefore, they neither advocate nor oppose governmental laws involving same-sex marriage or homosexual conduct.
But what if someone who wants to follow God’s standard still has homosexual urges?  As with any urge, a person can choose not to nurture or act on those urges. How? The Bible says: “Keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire at all.”—Galatians 5:16. Notice that the verse doesn’t say that the person will have no fleshly desire. Instead, armed with a good spiritual routine of Bible study and prayer, he or she will have the strength to resist those desires.
It is interesting to read how author of article said this:  However, discussions of human laws on same-sex marriage relate to a political issue, not a moral one.
Really? WTJWorg are not to ready to make "discussion of human laws", but see themselves so fit to tell, to preach to all people in the World, how all "secular governments" that exists today are from devil and will be destroyed because they are evil. But GB see themselves as "neutral" with all JW members who are also "neutral" as GB is, about "sex issue". :)) 
If WTJWorg and JW's are "neutral" to comment "human law about same-sex marriage because that is not MORAL ISSUE, as they say, than it is proper to ask: 
Who or what is the “moral vertical” in WTJWorg? Isn’t GB as “representatives” and “advocates,” an “ambassadors” of God’s interests here on Earth?  Is it not God's interest to promote the values of "higher" moral?  
Is “same-sex marriage” only "law issue"? In your opinion please, Is it "sex" a moral issue or law issue? Is it "marriage" a moral issue or law issue? 
Being gay, Is it a matter of morality or law, or is it outside, beyond discussion in that way? Being gay, Is it just a matter of your own choice or is it determined by other circumstances and conditions ? 
WTJWorg The book "Young people ask" says this:  So it’s wrong to engage in bullying, hate crimes, or any other type of mistreatment of homosexuals. ... Therefore, they neither advocate nor oppose governmental laws involving same-sex marriage or homosexual conduct.
How GB can advocate the "moral question of same-sex marriage" before the secular governments"? Perhaps collective writing and sending Letters to governments and secular authorities would be answer :)))
Part two:
In previous article we have seen a rather tolerant explanation. but WTJWorg published many more about "issue". So we can find different sort of talk from same "source/mouth":
 
abhorrent, sexually degrading, unnatural, sordid – WT 2012 Mar 15 p.31 an unnatural sexual perversion – Awake 1997 Dec 8 pp.14-15 sick and perverted – Awake 1995 Feb 8 p.16 gruesome, violent, and downright sadistic.” Awake 1995 Feb 22 p.14 disgraceful sexual appetites, obscene – True Peace p.15 worthy of the death penalty – Awake 1982 Jun 22 p.10 perverted desires – Awake 1989 Jul 8 p.27 detestable to Jehovah, vile, repulsive – WT 1979 Mar 15 pp.10,11 Determining Whether a Judicial Committee Should Be Formed. - 11. Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual) under improper circumstances.—If questions are raised regarding Scriptural freedom to remarry, see 12:12.
An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps over a considerable period of time, abhorrent forms of pornography that is sexually degrading. Such pornography may include homosexuality (sex between those of the same gender),...
It is equally wrong for a man or woman to watch two women engaged in homosexual activity as it is for a man or woman to watch two men engaged in homosexual activity.—See 12:14-15. - Shepherd Book
WTJWorg is "neutral"?? :))

@César Chávez  is throwing his toys out of the pram again and having a sulk.
Dear C. C. you obviously know nothing about your GB and the Organisation. 
And, opinions of ex-witnesses and all people are of interest to normal people with balanced minds. It is only people such as yourself that have a closed mind and want to be blind to truth, that pretend ex-witnesses opinions do not matter. 
A lady on here blocks comments from me and others. A very stupid thing to do as she will never know truth or know a different point of view. I prefer to listen to all viewpoints, even yours, as it widens my thinking and reasoning ability.  You do have some valid points sometimes as do most JWs. 
As for the Watchtower 'caring about ex-witness' views, I think they do take note of a lot of it.  I actually think this forum is monitored by W/t helpers. Maybe JWI is one of them.  I think that is why John Butler was dis/fed from here. Maybe he got too close to the mark.... 
Mentioning @JW Insider I think he gave some information about homosexuality within the GB or GB helpers, in Bethel, but of course you will not believe things that you dislike.  
C.C. Please face reality. The investigations EARTHWIDE cannot all be wrong. Even if 50% are wrong that still leaves a lot of wickedness and sin inside the CCJW. Wickedness and sin that the GB are responsible for. 
 

I don't care about WTJWorg. But it is interesting to see, analyze and show what they are speaking and doing. Perhaps that will help other people to see the truth behind "the truth".
WTJWorg and GB already accepted "gay rights" inside some specific WT rules. As to my knowledge, JW can be gay/lesbian and part of congregation but he/she is not "allowed to practice his/her propensity". If that is true, some percentage of JW's are homosexuals. 

The GB are the bad association.  The GB have made their own Bible interpretation too. 
The GB have dishonest Lawyers to tell lies for them in courtrooms.  The sins of your GB are as high as a mountain.
They twist truth, misuse scripture, hide Pedophiles in the CCJW org, tell lies, pretend to be the F&DS and misguide millions of congregants. 
BUT as scripture tells us, 'The things done in darkness shall come out into the light' and this is now being seen Earthwide.
Your GB don't have long left. Their reign of power is nearly over. Almighty God, through Christ, will remove your GB and replace them with True Anointed ones.  Then God's Kingdom interests will move forward. 

My neighbor made an interesting comment about her husband.  She said, regarding his below par choice of foods, that he still looks fit and strong; I suppose you could say he has a strong muscular “core”, but this will not guarantee a healthy life if he doesn’t eat right.  That was her point.
Healthy spiritual food, sets in place one’s spiritual “foundation”.  We build on it from there.  Don’t you see that not only did Luccioni compare Jesus with the GB, but he is excusing the GB’s failures while at the same time, it is said that Jesus and God guides their decisions through Holy Spirit?   Jesus expects lasting food, "fruit that remains", to be provided through those whom HE sends, not men who twist their words and place the blame always for failures…somewhere else!  (John 15:16)  
Luccioni said it is the wicked who twist Jesus’ words. Yes it is. What a pitiful plea he put out there, imploring one's faith and devotion in the GB, to remain "steadfast".  All to preserve an organization with its foundation built on falsehoods.   (Matt 7:26)
“But know this: Hard times will come in the last days. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, proud, demeaning, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, without love for what is good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to the form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid these people.
6 For among them are those who worm their way into households and deceive gullible women overwhelmed by sins and led astray by a variety of passions, 7 always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth. They are men who are corrupt in mind and worthless in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress, for their foolishness will be clear to all, as was the foolishness of Jannes and Jambres.”  2 Tim 3:1-9
 

Luccioni is comparing the GB to Jesus and to his apostles.   He says that many found Jesus' words to hard to bear.  Jesus, the Son of God, the King, is being compared to men who utter false prophesies.  When will blasphemy come to end, from this organization.  He states faith and a spiritual "core" is needed in God's word, and also in the 'WORD" of the GB.  
Really.
He says, it is the wicked ones who cannot take hold of the following burdens.
Let me quote this man:
“TODAY WICKED MEN AND IMPOSTERS USE EXACTLY THE SAME TECHNIQUES.  AND ITS’ ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.  THEY USE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATION.
THEY LIE ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH CHILD ABUSE.
HOW WE CARE FOR THE VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE.
 THEY TWIST STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE…
 REGARDING OUR STAND ON BLOOD, LOYALTY TO FAMILY.  DISFELLOWSHIPPING.  THEY CAPITALIZE ON WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS ERRORS.
 PERHAPS DOGMATIC STATEMENTS WE MADE IN THE PAST REGARDING A BIBLE PROPHESY OR OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TIME OF THE END, AND THEN WE LATER CHANGED IT. 
THEY ALSO PUT A NEGATIVE SPIN ON CHANGES THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. 
SEE WHY WE SIMPLIFY
DID REASSIGNMENTS IN 2015.
 A NEW EXPLANATION OF THE GENERATIONS
CHANGES AT WORLD HEADQUARTERS.
WHAT’S THE RESULT, WELL SOME ARE SWAYED BY THESE THINGS.
THEY’RE STUMBLED, THEIR KNOCKED DOWN.  IT’S TOO HEAVY FOR THEM TO CARRY."
I CAN SEE WHY.  THAT IS A LONG LIST, THAT WOULD MAKE ANYONE LOSE EQUALIBRIUM.  
JESUS CHRIST SAYS,
"Come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.  Matt 11:28
His message was simple to begin with.  It didn't need to be "simplified" after screwing with people's lives...for decades, by telling "dogmatic statements regarding a Bible prophesy."
And the disciples that Luccioni called upon to also compare with your GB's mistakes?  
Here, for you, the man who cannot tolerate scripture, although your speaker "dogmatically" repeatedly pointed to his corrupted version of the Bible, as necessary to preserve your, and all JW's spiritual core.
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2"1-4
Where does this message, this prophesy about the coming of Christ originate?   It is with those wicked ones, who compare themselves to the apostles - your GB - your entire leadership from the birth of your organization and rise of the elder body.
Ask Luccioni, what is the Temple of God, and who "sits"/rules and exalts himself above these "living stones".  
Dear Tom,
Comedy, story making and ignorance of God's Word in Christ, will not win us points when we must account for every EMPTY/DISCARDED/WORTHLESS/IDLE word we have spoken before Christ.  Words that proved to be lies.  
Matt 12:36,37
 
https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/
 
 
  
 
 
 

My neighbor made an interesting comment about her husband.  She said, regarding his below par choice of foods, that he still looks fit and strong; I suppose you could say he has a strong muscular “core”, but this will not guarantee a healthy life if he doesn’t eat right.  That was her point.
Healthy spiritual food, sets in place one’s spiritual “foundation”.  We build on it from there.  Don’t you see that not only did Luccioni compare Jesus with the GB, but he is excusing the GB’s failures while at the same time, it is said that Jesus and God guides their decisions through Holy Spirit?   Jesus expects lasting food, "fruit that remains", to be provided through those whom HE sends, not men who twist their words and place the blame always for failures…somewhere else!  (John 15:16)  
Luccioni said it is the wicked who twist Jesus’ words. Yes it is. What a pitiful plea he put out there, imploring one's faith and devotion in the GB, to remain "steadfast".  All to preserve an organization with its foundation built on falsehoods.   (Matt 7:26)
“But know this: Hard times will come in the last days. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, proud, demeaning, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, without love for what is good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to the form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid these people.
6 For among them are those who worm their way into households and deceive gullible women overwhelmed by sins and led astray by a variety of passions, 7 always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth. They are men who are corrupt in mind and worthless in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress, for their foolishness will be clear to all, as was the foolishness of Jannes and Jambres.”  2 Tim 3:1-9
 

Luccioni is comparing the GB to Jesus and to his apostles.   He says that many found Jesus' words to hard to bear.  Jesus, the Son of God, the King, is being compared to men who utter false prophesies.  When will blasphemy come to end, from this organization.  He states faith and a spiritual "core" is needed in God's word, and also in the 'WORD" of the GB.  
Really.
He says, it is the wicked ones who cannot take hold of the following burdens.
Let me quote this man:
“TODAY WICKED MEN AND IMPOSTERS USE EXACTLY THE SAME TECHNIQUES.  AND ITS’ ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.  THEY USE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATION.
THEY LIE ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH CHILD ABUSE.
HOW WE CARE FOR THE VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE.
 THEY TWIST STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE…
 REGARDING OUR STAND ON BLOOD, LOYALTY TO FAMILY.  DISFELLOWSHIPPING.  THEY CAPITALIZE ON WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS ERRORS.
 PERHAPS DOGMATIC STATEMENTS WE MADE IN THE PAST REGARDING A BIBLE PROPHESY OR OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TIME OF THE END, AND THEN WE LATER CHANGED IT. 
THEY ALSO PUT A NEGATIVE SPIN ON CHANGES THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. 
SEE WHY WE SIMPLIFY
DID REASSIGNMENTS IN 2015.
 A NEW EXPLANATION OF THE GENERATIONS
CHANGES AT WORLD HEADQUARTERS.
WHAT’S THE RESULT, WELL SOME ARE SWAYED BY THESE THINGS.
THEY’RE STUMBLED, THEIR KNOCKED DOWN.  IT’S TOO HEAVY FOR THEM TO CARRY."
I CAN SEE WHY.  THAT IS A LONG LIST, THAT WOULD MAKE ANYONE LOSE EQUALIBRIUM.  
JESUS CHRIST SAYS,
"Come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.  Matt 11:28
His message was simple to begin with.  It didn't need to be "simplified" after screwing with people's lives...for decades, by telling "dogmatic statements regarding a Bible prophesy."
And the disciples that Luccioni called upon to also compare with your GB's mistakes?  
Here, for you, the man who cannot tolerate scripture, although your speaker "dogmatically" repeatedly pointed to his corrupted version of the Bible, as necessary to preserve your, and all JW's spiritual core.
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2"1-4
Where does this message, this prophesy about the coming of Christ originate?   It is with those wicked ones, who compare themselves to the apostles - your GB - your entire leadership from the birth of your organization and rise of the elder body.
Ask Luccioni, what is the Temple of God, and who "sits"/rules and exalts himself above these "living stones".  
Dear Tom,
Comedy, story making and ignorance of God's Word in Christ, will not win us points when we must account for every EMPTY/DISCARDED/WORTHLESS/IDLE word we have spoken before Christ.  Words that proved to be lies.  
Matt 12:36,37
 
https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/
 
 
  
 
 
 

@Anna tries very hard to twist things. She is a well trained JW to be sure. 
I quote her
The only message I know of is the message of the Good News and salvation for all those who want to live under God's Kingdom.
However she deliberately 'forgets' to mention that the 'message' also says 'You have to be a baptised JW to be saved' and that Armageddon is so so so close that you must get into the Org NOW. Ignoring the fact that JWs have been saying this for around 100 years. And that the baptism is not 'In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' as Jesus words instruct. No, it is in the name of JW Org. So getting baptised doesn't help one to be a Christian, it only helps one to be a JW.  
Then Anna says,
Are you calling God a liar then? Are you saying God's Kingdom won't come? I find that disturbing.
Don't be delusional Anna, you can see above my comment about what your Org preaches. God never gave a date for Armageddon. God never said we are in the last hour of the last day. And Jesus did not teach to baptise into JW Org. 
But you do not find those things disturbing it seems.