Space Merchant

Must've been one of those nights.

What can be said there was an individual that had intervene against the apostate group, resulting in a 2 video becoming a warzone, some comments from several apostates that threaten said individual. People who lived in the area spoke up, but were bashed by the apostates, one person being threaten that his family that are jw will eventually see apostates storm his family's kingdom hall, even though the teenager wasn't a jw, he stood up for his family's faith.

The man's claim was that the group will become more violent over time if they continue down this path, but they did not listen, it has gotten so serve that the Youtuber had to wipe out his first video about being against the raid in that kingdom hall. Something may be going down in London very soon.

That is the only amount of information I can get, well now since the video has either become private or wiped out from Youtube. The sad thing is this old man who is an atheist spoke up only to get shot down by apostates, we may never know if he is truly hurt by the negative comments he received from the apostates.

If his second video is still present, I will attempt to salvage it anyway I could.

That being said, the apostates ignore reason and want to do this they see fit. Yes some of them have had issue with a couple of things, but actions like this isn't good. From here on out things could get a bit more intense with them vs. JWs, especially now when this caught on with the Neo apostates and Anti Religious groups in the US.

50 minutes ago, The Librarian said:

This video definitely looks staged and a fake. They did some study on JW's but not enough on the speech patterns.

Yes. for Attention, for the money grab, for the views, for the reactions and everything else.

The internet is deemed the ultimate playground, and some  who ignore repercussions.

2 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Thank you for the video, but do you believe all apostates wish to do something like this, and most of your so-called apostates are born into the watchtower., they know your doctrines very well, they like me were born and raised in the watchtower. And the watchtower and all the kingdom hall's are a business, not a religion, and the watchtower has set up secret policy and procedures to protect child molesters and abusive parents. Any business is accountable to the laws of the land.

No problem.

From my point of view

TL;DR Version

I don't believe all apostates are bad, however, I believe those with ill-intent are those who are bad people, especially with the things I observed over a span of time, in addition to the other chaotic half of the apostates who attack both apostates and jws, as well as others of other faiths or non-believers. I also do not count all persons into one category, for I see that every group and those of a different walk of life have good people, but among them there is a few bad ones. But the constant back and forth is only contributing to the genocide of Christianity, which is, as we speak, continuing to diminishing, and should it foreshadow what was done by a superpower, Russia, chaos will break loose in the US, and all groups good and bad will be affected b so called protectors that will be there to only oppress.

I am someone who constantly is worried about the things of today that will yield either a positive or a negative tomorrow.

Long Version

I made my claim and accepted it after observing 3 groups for sometime now, that often collide with each other, the JWs current/active, we have the exjws (apostates), former members of the faith, and the Anti-exjws, former members of JWs who were exjws (neo apostates), who had a separate view of things.

All of them won't do these things, however, some have made their intentions known about JWs whereas some took action in some cases. Some apostates are unhinged and from several comments when spoken to a non-jw, the non-jws are often verbally attacked and bashed upon when they speak in reason or give their own opinion.

One comment in particular when an exjw glorify the Manchester Bombing as a God sent. When a JW was murdered, the apostates attempt to pin the blame on JWs when a UK Youtuber, who was obviously angry, was tired of the back and forth, and brought up what the UK was doing regarding Hate Crime and Regulations, and he targeted the apostates, it took a teenager to stop the fighting and blame game. There has been some apostates who ran up to JW congregations to harass them on a daily basis, one person stated how one would feel if they disrupted a JW funeral or wedding. Another situation with a, you guess it, a gay guy, who is struggling to stop his ways defend JWs, specifically calling them Street level JWs (Preachers) only to have his channel attacked by a swarm of apostates and neo apostates, technically becoming a war zone.

The apostates also had a divide at some point, resulting in the formation of the group I spoke of anti-exjws better known as neo apostates whereas both sides often attack jws or any other Christian/other faiths with their opinion and the like if they are not butting head, but the neo apostates have a creepy nature in "collection" i.e. stalk people all over YouTube, social media, in one case they were so angered with an apostate they revealed the person's full name and threaten to report said person to the police for vandalism, ironically their claim is that the police be on the watch for any congregation vandalism. The neo apostates, who are literally deprived of any faith compared to normal apostates side with Anti-Religion based Movements that attack ALL faiths (Christian, Muslims, etc.)

--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antireligion

Some neo apostates have reasons to leave exjws, some moved on while others cause trouble for both jws and apostates. Some issues being, threatening comments that have gone too far, some wanting jws to have the death penalty, some threat jws, the apostates used a 2013 incident of a former jw's family that pushed him to retaliate only for apostates to bash him to, hence joining neo apostates, etc. I see it as a broken love triangle in a sense. The divide was due to how JWs should be handled, how one side is wrong and the other isn't, and the biggest one was when someone commented on a Hitler style like action to be done to JWs.

As for viewing how the apostates are, not all of them are bad people, for only bad people have the mind for ill intent. But there has been talks of being far more aggressive with JWs from the apostate's camp, even though some have to constantly remind their members to not be violent with them or vandalism a place of worship, which someone had done a few weeks ago. So it is best to be watchful of any of the one's who want to do something bad.

On the other side though there have been a number of non-jws who took sides, majority of them, despite being annoyed with jws on early mornings, are not against them 100% because these people know there is the good and bad in all groups, yet they are attacked, those who have family members who are JWs are often told threatening comments, some so great that a lot of comments have been deleted.Others have spoken, a guy who research Taze Russell for 55+ years, and more, especially on the Russian (who are fearing March 2018) side of YouTube and the Arabic side, even former lost peoples who converted to Christianity spoke up, yet still they are as always attacked.

In short, apostates I see some good people, but not all of them are the same, same could be said for JWs, not all of them are the same, if we are to say all of them are the same, we have to say this of every other group, a question brought up often since the Texas incident, which was addressed in the video I linked. Even among apostates they do not wish harm to JWs or what to see them hurt, however the ill-intent ones among them will want to see someone suffering for baring the title, some will do something if  what they planned doesn't go their way. As for the neo apostates, these guys are a lost cause, for they spare no love for anyone, those who remain on the tirade, I've only see a few of them on other forums that had moved on completely, but those that remain spread influence like a fire. Even former members from that group who just simply moved on worry sometimes.

As long as someone doesn't get something their way, even after a failed plot or two, they will beat the drums of war if they have to.What is even sadder is that Christianity itself is diminishing, and things like this contributes to reducing the faith, regardless of denominations.

These things will only continue to get worse as hatred brews for some and the Texas Shooting raised some concern that some people spoke up about the whole apostate thing, stating where it may potentially lead.

Lastly, Russia should be a prime example, for the jw ban was a massive impact an paved a way of all the craziness in Russia since the historical event of 2016. As we speak, JWs and other Christians have been and are being attacked and oppressed, some sent to Chechnya camps alongside Kremlin critics, a woman who is against the Kremlin was nearly killed, etc. If what took place for all non Orthodoxy Christians  have caused such damage, think of the scale it would do in the US? A group of religious people already have their sights on the White House, and these persons (and Arcanists) are part of Babylon the Great , should they succeed, it will spell disaster for you, the JWs, the apostates, the neo apostates, Muslims, Atheists, etc.

At the end, God knows who is truly for him, and who is against him, those with bad intent and the intent to do bad.

How I see it in short, like pausing your favorite video game or movie.

Because actions is done when you are alive, whether it be positive or negative, should one perish, what is done is left in God's memory, so when you are brought back, you will be judged for what you have done, judgement for one would be difficult if they were told about God, his Son and the Kingdom in depth and do not do anything to attempt to do what God asks of said person. The righteous and meek will inherit the earth.

Didn't go in much detail because right now I am one tired storm trooper, one of them nights lol.

These things are just signs of things to come. Apostates will blame all JWs for the actions of a selective few inside the Halls they use to attend. These guys don't even know any of the JWs in New York and went in to confront them, if anything, they should confront the Halls they went to before they either left or became excommunicated.

What makes it even more interesting is that this too place during the Texas Church Shooting and the wild random attacks done to Christians outside of the US. AS well as the..... whole Antifa thing lol.

But in all seriousness, these people are hurt, but their actions and conduct only fans the flames even hotter, to the point where someone among them can take action. They go about it like a Tom constantly trying to catch Jerry. If they see, in their eyes, they've failed, surely one or a few of them will attempt something wild, some or one of them may have already vandalized a hall or two, eventually, becoming an enemy to themselves in a pointless vigilante conquest with no end path.

The Texas thing, people stated we can't blame all atheist for the actions of the one who did what he did to the Church, in a similar sense, the apostates can't blame all JWs for actions of what a few bad ones have done. (if you look up "atheist" now, everything about Texas pops up).

The apostates only objective is the JWs, and them alone, toppling anyone in their path as they try to attack the JWs. They do not realize or acknowledge the things going on around them, you'd think the "Canon Law" would trigger them too.

The thing the apostates never ask is "why" the JWs believe in this or that, which I find quite surprising. I saw a comment from a Russian, stating that the apostates when on a raid pre-jw ban in Russia and attacked even Russian Youtubers for backing JWs, after the ban and the ban on the bible (really a rouse to ban ALL bibles overtime), the apostates ignored Russia after that while the Russians are left to the devices of the Kremlin and the Orthodox Church, so far to the pint an NSA-like website is used for separate groups, one for protesters, another for religious people, etc.

NOTE: the rule that they really dislike, I found a better explanation of it: http://thirdwitness.com/childabuse/Twowitness.html

The first part of video talks about the Texas Shooting, you don't have to watch the other parts, that talk about Disney, the Social Media brainwashed people and other forms of attacks in the Christian world, etc.

 

I saw this too. Another thing to note the name JEHOVAH wasn't even said. A member of the Jehovah's Witness would say his name at least once.

He doesn't have a partner, Jehovah's Witnesses usually have one or more persons among them when going to a door.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't enter a house immediately, they remain house, unless the house owner allows them on return visits after being talked to once, twice or more.

The JW wife swore and used Jehovah's name.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't start off with what this man just said.

A JW wife would speak with an elder, not publicly have a Youtuber, known for his antics, reveal a Clownfest of a money grab.

Now a question on a Man who is loyal to his wife, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Looks can also deceive, no truly loyal married man would take a pass on his wife, risking his foundation he has built with his wife regarding a family, home, steady work, etc. for a random woman, especially if said woman has the looks. In some countries, women use their charm and looks to (or catfishing) get what they want, whenever they want, in some situations, if they want said person killed, they do this by seduction. There was verse of something similar, but I can't remember it right now, but you get the idea.

Only mainstreaming people will fall so easily to infidelity and fornication, at times, later claim their impulse was a mental problem, when they knowingly attempt and are aware of their actions.

NOTE:

The video screams "it's just a prank, bro".

I never celebrated Halloween, however, I was often tasked to accompany my little sister who did. Back in those days there was an old man, about in his mid 60s, who normally rides around on a bike yelling bible verses, sometimes he rolls up near or in front shouting and yelling, and had cut up pieces of paper in squares that reads "Know God, Know The Son, Repent your sins John 17:3", which he hands out or puts in the pumpkin basket full of candy without hesitation.

As I got older, teenage years, I did the research and understood the old man clearly, sadly this old man is not alive today, but because of that verse it made me curious, being one of my favorite bible verses.

My sister outgrew Halloween around the age of 14 because of how more sadistic and grime some decorations have become, along with customs that are down right evil or provocative.

On 10/31/2017 at 10:10 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

A poll there found that 79% of Russians supported the ban. However, someone else observed that it depends upon how you frame the question. If it is a ban to stop something people think a nuisance - unannounced calls, then yes, 79% think it would be well to stop that.  It is not dissimilar to many places.  However, if the idea of ban is reframed to include going to jail and physical violence the percentage number will drop quickly. Russians are people like anywhere. They may be more given to uniformity, but they know what is fair and what is not.

There are many things I don't like. That doesn't mean I think people should go to jail who do them.

True. However you go to to Russian channels on Youtube around the time that poll came out, some stated they only questioned a certain amount of people, in addition, there was talk about people going door to door to speak bad of Jehovah's Witnesses and make their decision on said poll after being told negative things regarding the Christian denomination.

In a sense, it is like someone going to your door and telling you some nasty things about one neighbor that you just normally say hi to, but no nothing of him vs. others in the neighborhood who knows the person isn't  a bad.

This action was part of the plan the Russian Orthodox Church has made, hence the videos of even other faiths in Russia speaking their mind about the persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses. A very sad time we are living in as well.

On 10/28/2017 at 4:41 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

For those who follow such things, absurd accusations against Russia are made routinely in the U.S  - mostly for reasons relevant to American politics. It is said Russia tried to swing the election though hacking. Through Facebook and Twitter. It truly gets loony. CNN ran a story of how Russia try to stoke racial hatred in the US through use of the Pokemon Go game. 

'Is there no accusation too crazy?' Russian outlets have howled. 'Is there no limit?'

These reports of religious persecution suggests that there is none. The Witness website, jw.org, is banned as extremist in Russia, and no where else in the world. Anyone else can visit. Everyone knows what extremism is and they know that Jehovah's Witnesses are not it.

It all goes to suggest that no report, no matter how crazy it may sound, can be dismissed out of hand. No report is too scurrilous to be true. They all must be carefully considered.

Andrew Sorokowski, a columnist in the Ukraine posed the question: "Why would a nation of 144 million risk its reputation to persecute 175 thousand? Yet Russia has done so and its international reputation is sinking as feared. Not solely for that reason, of course, but it sure doesn't help.

https://risu.org.ua/en/index/expert_thought/authors_columns/asorokowski_column/66964/

Alexander Dvorkin, who got the entire anti-cult meme rolling in Russia, decried the ban of the New World Translation. 'Look, I don't like it,' he said in effect, but it is a Bible.' To ban a Bible makes us look like a nation of goons. If we want to hold our heads up among educated persons, we can't do things like this.' He pushed hard for the movement to ban Witnesses, but the result overshot even his goals - once again, tarnishing the image of a country once great.

http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170822a.html

There is majority of Russians who know the difference between an extremist and a Jehovah'es Witnesses, some even showing respects to their Russian brothers and sisters who choose to follow the faith. Sadly, the Grand Puba is the Kremlin, The Russian Orthodox Church and the State Duma.

On 10/28/2017 at 6:44 AM, Julie Bayley said:

 

We can only wait and watch, us as just normal everyday human beings can't really do much but endure. It has been said 2017 is the year that violence will intensify, as 2018 and onward will be of government officials and the like being more strict and tough on people, being a bit more controlling, especially when it comes to the new technologies and the like that will be released very soon. So vigilant is key.

The United Nations has angered a lot of people in the past few months and they will continue to do such. Since the 1st Amendment has clauses for people to practice and or have the freedom of speech (or speak of their religion) can be affected. This was from about a month ago, after Chancellorsville, Virginia.

 

On 10/8/2017 at 8:31 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

... and then there is Russia ....

The Human Rights Council (HRC) had talked with Putin as of October 30, 2017. This is not only the fate of the Jehovah's Witnesses, but a plethora of others who were hit by the Kremlin and co.

https://ura.news/news/1052310425

The Russians really want to "clean house" for March 2018.

In a sense, Russian vs. Kremlin as a whole, it comes down to freedoms, something the Kremlin has a hard time giving to the people.

My only concern is for the ceasing of the FSB website, along with the software they use, seeing how it is I can understand Edward Snowden's remark about it.

As we speak, the Russians who are against the Kremlin worry about a Soviet-Like dark age while yet another Kremlin Critic escaped death with due to a lethal attack, which may lead to Journalist being armed and ready to rock (unless Putin does something).

The reason for this is because Russia also have some control of South Ossetia as well. The highly paid and deployed members of Ministry of Justice are like flies on candy.

12 hours ago, See it yet? said:

Except today it is with a specific goal they have in mind and an escalated drive to make their vision come true. Frankly they are tired of waiting for it to come true, thus the greater urgency.

One thing to know this video was posted by the Interfaith Division among the United Nations on their site, it can be found on Youtube. The reason Interfaith is in full force is because of Pope Francis.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/worlds-top-religious-leaders-issue-rare-joint-appeal_us_5942c11ee4b06bb7d2719e8e

http://elijah-interfaith.org/

Another thing is before the ban on Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, the Pope's historic meeting with Patriarch Cyril was important. After France got involved afterwards, since a lot of money was made by the Russians, they moved to stop JWs in Russia, they can't stop them 100% tho. Most of the persecution comes from the Pro-Kremlin Russians who are literally idolizing Putin.

The laws in Russia has also been abused and it is not only used against Jehovah's Witnesses, but among the Russian people. Examples, A guy called an extremist for playing Pokemon in a Church, a Ukrainian Liberian arrested for being accused of an Extremist, just for making a minor joke about the RoC, a child was arrested for poetry.

On the other side you have the countrywide protesting whereas the FSB is using software even Sowden made comment on not to just attack protesters, but anyone who oppose the Russian Kremlin. They are using software, bribery and lies, selling sex, and the like to shut protesters down and it is very sickening.

The thing is Russia is preparing for something, the major thing being the Russian election coming soon, hence why they are "eliminating" people whether they are in the way or not.

That being said, there is religious movement going on in the background, especially with the moves Pope Francis is making on his conquest for "peace".

Sorry if I kinda got off topic, I tend to go in rumbles sometimes.

17 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If you run across an ACTUAL  court transcript of the recent Russian Supreme Court appeal trial of the Watchtower Corporation,   please post links here.

Thanks!

PS: give my regards to Pavel Chekov, and fer cryin' out LOUD ..... learn to shoot!

I'll have to get into contact with some Russian sources. But my secondary claim is something of importance so everyone is to remain vigilant. I have been lurking on these forums for sometime, my only reason for posting now is because of what I have been looking into. What I can say is those promoting peace seem to be rallying up followers faster than expected as well as a small pint of religious violence.

What can be said is Russians only involvement is because of Patriarch Kirill of Moscow.

I will be keeping up to date with all this within Christianity, if anything of interest does come up, I will post because with what is in motion right now is of concern. Stay vigilant, to you and everyone else.

Greetings.

I was going to say when looking for any Russian news related to Jehovah's Witnesses, was going to say lookup the name in Russian.Свидетели Иеговы/SI (Svideteli Iyegovy). You found one of the channels I kept an eye on for a year now.

That being said, the world of religion is changing fast, it is advise that everyone is to be careful and vigilant, this goes for everyone.

There are two major groups calling for peace and the other for security.

Pope Francis is on a conquest for peace, hence why he is gathering religious leaders and colluding with Protestants and the Catholics

Those who are on a conquest for Security is the United Nations.