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Only because you continue to distort scripture to compare the GB with the Pharisees. That is your opinion. Not to mention, why would Jesus lie about having spiritual leaders. You are calling Jesus a liar. I won't discuss anything with you anymore. Your disregard for scripture has hit a new low, that I don't want to associate with, even anonymously.

There you go again, showing how naive you are by attempting to interject human fallacy (imperfection) with murder that is caused by war. Now who is being dishonest. I can give several cases where a Witness murdered their husband/wife. Do you honestly want people to believe, those witnesses were NOT disfellowshipped for their personal decision with consequences, That you continue to say they are witnesses? Does your church not teach that lying is a sin? Does the Bible not teach it.

I doubt it. You're still here. JTR is still here. You ban someone who can show the dishonesty that compromises your ability to continue that dishonesty, while attempting to have people think by word manipulation you're ahead on the debates. I believe you also call, down-voting (spamming), more dishonesty. This is the only way you can get ex-witnesses to up=vote that dishonesty. It is silly to try injecting humor with something, you and TTH have been caught with. Anna's smiley face won't change what is already known by some of us, with your actions.

This just proves who the owners really are. Thank you. Some of us now know who the real Admin and Asst Admin are, TTH, and JWinsider. Some of us also know TTH gives JWinsider the position to "delete" people that are being honest and disagree. You can lie to the people some of time but you can't escape the inevitable when both of you start Instant messaging to get someone banned. This just means the jokes on both of you.

Does this mean, The almighty was "wrong" to rely on men to achieve his goal of obedience? Wasn't it vital for those chosen to understand and follow God's laws and commands by those chosen to teach the people? Was Jesus and the apostles not leaders, wasn't it Jesus proclamation to submit and follow those leaders that look out for you, mean nothing? What kind of separatist are you? Not even a false Christian thinks this way.

Can you say that about all Christians? If you read correctly, that is what I meant. It's good your church doesn't believe in Gay Rights? How about those Christian Churches that do? How about those Christian Churches that have Gay Priest? If you find plenty of stories about Jehovah Witnesses killing others in the name of God, just like the majority of Christians that defend their lands through patronage, possibly including your own church, please provide the evidence. I request you apologize for being a false prophet and naive.

When has the Org accepted the killing of another is justified under God’s law? When has the Org mentioned to your belief, Gay rights is acceptable to God, Etc. Please provide such tactics of the Org? The inception of the Zion Watchtower was to expose false teachings. Were the Bible Students the only ones seeking the truth? History will disagree with such speculation.

Does this mean those that are insiders corrupt the good standard of conduct that is, Bible knowledge not opinion, and Christian understanding, not speculation. The only thing rendered here so far.

With regard to this. It is not based on faith but rather than, wanting to hear gossip and opposing views by those that claim their witnesses when indeed they are not. What benefit would this type of worldly view provide? Here the negative outweighs the positive unless you are a participant to that negativity. Then, it would be looked at as positive. Just because JWinsider as an owner allows it, doesn't mean its good.

Interesting opinions on a subject those who wrote these pieces weren’t that familiar with scripture. I guess they just needed fillers. Should anyone calling themselves Christian go against Jesus works just to satisfy their own ambition? James Chapter 4 11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? This should be enough proof, how Satan is in command by those he chooses as puppets.

On the internet, the above list can be a lot bigger. Satan has had a good control over apostates. Then again, it wouldn't be the end of days without them, would it. If he has influence here, there is no stoppage in those groups. 1. Silent-Lamb 2. Advocates for Jehovah’s Witness reform on blood (AJWRB). 3. Barbara Anderson’s own website. The most evil female ever to enter Bethel only to choose fame. Fame that never happened. I mentioned it, since I didn’t see her website on the list. 4. The Catholic Church. It includes the majority of traditional churches. 5. Friends of Jehovah’s Witnesses (Formerly known as the Jehovah's Witness reform movement). Many, Many more. Including some here.

It doesn't take seeing a building falling on you before you decide to move. There is no assumption to real actions taken by you. Does this mean you are a disguise to Srecko, etc? What is the difference between ancient times and modernization. Does this mean you live in the street? Are you preaching a false gospel as a homeless person?

Don’t strain yourself Brother. This person is the most elicit false prophet here. Preaching Jesus words of love is not preached by this person. Instead, this person preaches, division and hate. The Mormon's preach the words of Joseph Smith, a supposed prophet that walked with Jesus on earth. Another false prophet. It doesn’t matter what other people preach if it is not by following Jesus footsteps. The Apostles physically went into cities to be received and heard. Jesus taught them to be received at a persons home and if not, they would continue their journey until they were well-received to hear the gospel of Christ. Misguiding people over the internet fails that mission. I believe the down-votes by salomon and derek1956 speak for themselves.

I hope you understand the difference when holding a business in the temple. Were those money boxes circulated as a business? What would donations be in your eyes? Does the Org use donated money to receive luxury items like planes, trains, boats? Do those donations support priest income and a home for that priest? Some witnesses consider the Org headquarter as lavish. Should volunteers be housed in the field? Should the Org spend more in room and board paid to other benefactors because “bad” witnesses want to decide how the Org should, run? Does the GB live in lavish mansions? Do those donations go to a 10 million dollar home like “Joel Olsteen” received, and have children sent to a good college with that donated money. There are many ways those in opposition look at things to enhance a fruitless debate. Joel Olsteens car Featured snippet from the web Joel Osteen - is an American televangelist based in Houston. He likes luxury car and has in his car collection this cars: Ferrari 458 Italia, Porsche 911, Mercedes G-class It is clear what you are willing to accept is not the truth.

Known. Showing spiritual weakness only emboldens those that Satan has corrupted to think they hold the truth in any subject. It’s not just about being false prophets but being martyrs to do the devils bidding. When the opposition makes misleading claims that Brother Russell claimed the world would end in 1914, those in opposition have not read the Pastors publishing’s. When the opposition claims Brother Rutherford claimed the world would end in 1925, those in opposition have not read the publishing of the Brother? When those in opposition claim the Org prophesied the world would end in 1975, those in opposition only read what they want to read to make a misleading debate? When those in opposition conduct themselves in such a way, it can only be seen one way, martyrs for the devil. The post is framed as a question. "What good is an internet forum for JWs?" To regular witnesses not trying to be influenced by bad works and debates, known.

I would imagine Brother Russell would have appreciated your stance on consecrated ground. Does that mean we should revere all churches as the Holy of Hollies places of God? If false religion is not speaking in accordance to Jesus instructions, what Holy does that place hold. When Matthew spoke of an incident about Jesus in 21:12-13, it is clear Jesus meant that a house of God would not be treated as a place of business. It would be used as a dedication for prayer. Had Jesus thought the ground he walked on was consecrated ground, he would have made it a point that only the line of the royal priesthood could enter such a place and those selling inside would have “defiled” the house of God and would be, deserving of death. The same circumstances that is used for the inference of the Holy land. Millions have died to retain that land. It holds three religious beliefs in modern time. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. If that land is so sacred, why is there still bloodshed in its footsteps? A place dedicated for such a gathering is called a house of prayer. Any building can be christened for such a purpose. Scripture does not reveal a brick and mortar building as the “church” of Christ. That church is the body of Christ. Its members are temples (Bricks) and the mortar is “God’s Holy spirit” keeping those bricks together. It is unconscionable to think ex-witnesses have influenced regular witnesses to such a degree that it has a profound impact as to think otherwise with Bible Truth. It’s disheartening to see Christian maturity set aside for an inconstant debate.

I wonder, how can it be a good fight, when people get “deleted” by TTH or JWinsider to defend people like you to continue misinformation about an organization you couldn’t care less for and remain in this forum subjecting everyone with the same ignorance you just mentioned. How is it fair? I can understand the need to defend the devils work, but please, don’t use hypocrisy to achieve it. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, some viewing these posts, need to understand, how people are erased for speaking their minds (opinions). Where does that leave that idea, when a selected few are given that privilege. Let's not confuse the situation. Not all of us are privileged to give out an opinion for challenging, questionable and dishonest information by Witnesses or ex-witnesses. For active witnesses, remember your place before the almighty about a loose tongue. What is the purpose of saying your Christian when your conduct is anything but. Will you be laughing when you sit in judgment?

It's good to admit your part of a team, and that team are fakers that don't speak for the Org. But instead against it. I'm hopeful people can now experience the truth about your team here. Thank you for your honesty. It was a long time coming.

I can see this comment does not conform to the "banned" post submitted earlier. I proof is on the actions that people seem to dominate. This is a good example of Hollywood drama, where the Oscar goes to?

I can see where this statement would be given to sway the insight of others. It would certainly be beneficial to your team and JWinsider, as being portrayed by your time as such. The worldwide Brotherhood has seen one of our own team removed after experiencing the communication between you and JWinsider. It is not a question of whom, but the legitimacy of this open forum that falls into question.

Can there be a difference with an invisible being as our sovereign lord Jehovah that we are his witnesses thereof, with that of being a witness to the many miracles made by Jesus as a man. I can’t see the logic with this kind of thinking. Especially when someone judges another as a newbie. Perhaps it’s time to get back on track with the original post.

I can see where this would make sense here “a prophet makes a fool of himself” I can see the same type of display. The thing I would consider, is the information coming from Jehovah, or is it a personal understanding of scripture. Here I would apply, test the spirit of a personal understanding. I do recall where the Bible Students at one point considered the organization “like” a prophet, and I believe the same can be said about the Jehovah witness Watchtower. I would imagine this is possible if the Governing Body receives angelic substance and aid. A good reason I don't disrespect them as it is done here. I guess it’s a matter of skeptics not trusting enough in Jehovah that other manifestation, of considered truth; will convince people of such skepticism. I much rather trust in God, and his chosen leaders than a rebel without a cause. Supporting such conjecture yields bad fruits. The idea of being able to stop people from thinking the way they do. I imagine you think like those that oppose the Org about "brainwashing" then. If you believe that is a power you have, it is a magnificent trade. I could understand the power you have to convince many here the many errors the organization is perceived to have without them seeing your own. I believe that is called, deflection. I should consider you a prophet. I will make up my mind as time goes by, what kind of leader you will manifest to. I will keep that in mind.

This must have been devastating to Rutherford if Bible Students believed he was a prophet. According to the publications. A larger percentage of Bible Students left this suggested prophet. I can’t understand the logic, putting someone so high, then turn their backs on him, if he was truly considered a prophet. The Watchtower December 1, 1927 pg 355 col 1 par 4 During the past fifty years God has been causing his light to shine with increasing power upon his Word. He has not given his people new truths, but illuminated the truths already given. During that short period of time many have separated themselves from all organized systems of religion and have tried to walk in the way that Jesus and the apostles walked. For a time they made progress; and then many became tired and weary in well doing or thought more highly of themselves than they should think or became lawless, while others became offended. These turned away, so that today the larger percent of those who withdrew from so-called organized Christianity have turned aside and again gone back into the world. It must be certain Bible Students considered his insight as prophetic just like some considered Russell the wise servant. It’s unfortunate we can’t stop people from thinking in a certain way. The Watchtower November 15, 1930 pg 342 col 1 pars 1-2 The total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society and now oppose its work is comparatively large, when such are taken all together. These are now divided into many companies, all claiming to be followers of Christ and claiming to be God’s little flock, while at the same time they speak evil things concerning those who are faithfully endeavoring to serve God. They denounce the Society and its work, saying that its activities are due to a man-made theory and that those who go to make up the Society are carnally minded and are engaged in a book-selling business and not in the service of Jehovah. This can be relative when it comes to those that re-energize the same kind of modern division. We only need, look back to understand why.

Thank you for this research. To some extent. One of Mr. Orwell’s prediction was fashioned in 1944 that Russia and Japan would gang up on the USA ending with a Russo-Japan treaty. Of course that didn’t happen with the super powers. But it didn’t exclude Russia from being part of that power. The other part. I mentioned to Mr. Rook. The Old George Almanac placed a comic-spin to those prediction. Orwell’s predictions for 1946, which included economic disaster, resurgent fascism, “civil wars, bomb outrages, public executions, famines, epidemics and religious revivals.” I compare that with authors such as Harold Bloom, Albert A. Berg PAUL R. EHRLICH AND ANNE H. EHRLICH ON POPULATION The analysis of the environmental aspects of Nineteen Eighty-Four that follows is in several respects unfair to George Orwell. Anyone who writes about the future knows that precise Prediction is impossible. One can forecast the implications of current trends on the assumption that they will continue; but the forecaster is always aware that many trends are unlikely to Continue. We would view Nineteen Eighty-Four as a scenario, a device used to stimulate thinking about the future implications of the present course of society. In that context it was an enormous success, for, whether it was intended as a forecast or a warning, Nineteen Eighty-Four alerted people to certain dehumanizing trends—some of which still seem very threatening today—flowing partly from technological advances. Then I reflect on the parallels with what is considered predictions. The opinions then become substantive, not as a prophet but with vision.

If Mr. Orwell’s 1946 predictions were just stories, then he was specific about certain events. Mr. Orwell’s books spoke of real power, and spoke negative against England as he saw it as a poor Indian with a humble upbringing. The same can be said about Muhammad. It wasn’t until after he stopped being a cop did he focus in his books. His 1984 book was finished shortly before his death. I was enlightened with a war time piece he made about WW1. The fact the ”Old George’s Almanac” attempted to put a comedic spin on that 1946 prediction, still left the reader disheartening. There is no comparison other than personal provocation. If one is going to debate, then all avenues are critical.