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@Arauna This is what he said. Hence i said he worshipped them, the GB.

Almost in the same breath you’ve answered your question: The point being Tom that Arauna places being oposed to the GB of the JW Org as being non repentant. You and her seem of the same opinions. But I've seen it in action. Congregants have to 'repent' to the Elders. The Elders act like priests 'showing forgiveness'. Whereas in truth a person should repent before God through Yeshua and should not need to prove themsleves to men. No I will not. The Memorial is for the True Anointed. I do not pretend to be Anointed, neither do i know anyone that is. As for the 'Easter bunny', the chocolate eggs are a temptation, but no. Now the point here is this. Would you give warning to others of the danger ? Or, would you be so selfish as to let others perish ? You seem to be saying that you would only care about yourself. Yeshua preached the word boldly and gave warnings to those that would listen, EVEN THOUGH he knew he would have to die for it. This i have witnessed locally in my ex congregation. A young man who was once a M/S but mysteriously 'left' the Org at the same time a prominent Elder was D/fed, left his wife and even left England / moved back to Wales. The young M/S never returned to the KH and before i left the Org, I would often ask if anyone visited him, or could i have his address that i might visit him, but I was met with silence. That young man commited suiclde.... But I've noticed over the 3 or so years that I've been on here that more and more JWs are telling the truth about happenings in their own congregations. And what you mention sounds very serious. @JW Insider once spoke about an incident involving a 'close relitive' of his, which seemed quite serious too. In war, someone has to make the weapons before they can be used. Those who work in the factories making weapons are as guilty as those who fire the weapons. In the JW Org, any JW that 'looks the other way' when injustice or immorality takes place, is as guilty as the one commiting the sin / crime. And you think that serving your GB is possitive ? All that time wasted handing out doom and gloom magazines with horrible pictures of destruction on the fron cover. All the hatred of non JWs. All the pain caused by shunning. All the pain and suffering for children forced to do things for the sake of the GB. Yeshua's way is nothing like the ways of the GB / Org. Yeshua has all authority, not your GB.

Oh dear, the blind leading the blind. @Arauna leading @Peter Carroll PC you are proving here that you worship and serve the GB of JW org. No, the GB and it's Org uses JWs as tools. This i have proven by showing examples. JWs standing by a cart / trolly. They are not preaching or teaching, they are handing out GB 'words' in written form. JWs on the doors handing out Watchtowers and Awake magazines. They are not teaching from the Bible, they are handing out the GB's written words. JWs are not allowed to give opinions. They have to always refer to the GB's interpretation of things. IF all JWs were in unity in serving God properly they would all be able to speak their own opinion and it would all be in agreement. But JWs are actually silenced. They are just robots, handing out the GB interpretation. It has been said here many times by different people, you can say things on here that you dare not say in a KH. And i will come back to one thing that I think is important. Yeshua gave instruction as to how baptism should take place. In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The GB obviously do not agree with Yeshua, because the GB do not follow His instruction. The GB baptise people into the JW Org.

But don't you see Mr Carroll, your comment here is negative. If the GB were true Christians they would actually listen to people's opinions and take note of how they are mistreating people. Each person should stand before YHWH through Yeshua. They should not stand before the GB through the Elders. Each person should be allowed to use their own Christian conscience. JW congregants are not allowed to do that.

Rambo I love your fear mongering and doom and gloom. Matthew 24:8 New International VersionAll these are the beginning of birth pains. New Living TranslationBut all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come. English Standard VersionAll these are but the beginning of the birth pains. Berean Study BibleAll these are the beginning of birth pains. Berean Literal BibleAnd all these are the beginning of birth pains. New American Standard BibleBut all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains. Christian Standard BibleAll these events are the beginning of labor pains. Holman Christian Standard BibleAll these events are the beginning of birth pains. Now in my opinion BIRTH PAINS bring forth something good, a child. Whereas the GBs interpretation says "beginning of pangs of distress." which is negative. And as the GB are no more inspired than anyone else, they could easily be wrong. But you keep serving those GB men whilst i will look for truth.

You seem to only connect the Anointed to the JW Org. Once again, as @Srecko Sostar has mentioned, what does it have to do with spiritual anointing ? Dedicating your life to an organisation, to live by man made rules, and to rule over others by using those rules, seems a very long way away from serving YHWH through Yeshua.

(Romans 13:8-10) Do not owe anything to anyone except to love one another; for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. 9 For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment. ________________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ Tell this to eveyone that is shunned by JWs.

YES, Rando. THE BIBLE, which is the word of YHWH, promises that bright new future. It has nothing to do with JWs. Keep hiding @Pudgy

I think I've given proof that my 'accusation' isn't a lie. I don't have any false teachings as I am not a teacher. I do however give warnings to those who could easily become victims. I don't have hope of eternal life but that does not make me hateful of TRUTH. I hate the things that God hates. Repentance ? For leaving an immoral organisation ? So tell me, what should I show repentance for ? Of course i have sin, we all do, but opposing the immorality and lies of the JW Org is not a sin.

You have no proof of that number - it is merely an accusation. since 1957 until the Australian commission there were slightly more than ONE thousand names...... cases where there were accusations made. The ARC mentioned just over one thousand pedophiles in the Australian part of JW org. Each Pedo had more than one victim. The UK has had two investigations both have found pedophilia in the UK JW org. The Charity Commision and the IICSA. Online proof is available......... In America there have been many law suits / court cases about Pedophiles in the American part of the JW org. The point being with America that it has a hidden Database of pedophile records going back 25 years, BUT Australia's records went back over 50 years. I think that gives question as to what happened to the other 25 years of records in America ? Also who is paying whom to keep those records secret ? In Canada some lawyers wanted to bring a massive court case (some thing like 66 million Canadian dollars ) against the Canadian JW org, but for some reson they were not allowed to. So we have no idea how many Pedophiles there are on record in the Canadian JW org. Then we have the Netherlands 'Reclaimed Voices' / Utrecht University with at least 751 reports ranging from incest to rape. The Dutch JW org went to court to try to stop the publication of the report. Spain, 27th october 2018, Abusos JW sent letter to their Ministry of the Interior to urge for investigaation into the JW org Spain. And we haven't mentioned half the world yet ! But you will probably get the drift of it all. I repeat THOUSANDS OF PEDOPHILES in the JW Org earthwide. And all JWs, just by being JWs, are supporting the GB and the other leaders in hiding the Pedophiles in the JW Org.

I haven't yet found such an organisation. Certainly not the JW Org. But continue your blindness and slavery to the GB & Co.

https://watchtowerdocuments.org/unite-to-shine-a-light/ April 15, 2022Barbara Anderson “I am one of the thousands of current and former JWs who believe that love is truth. (Mt 22:37-39) Any policy that is unloving cannot be true. (Mt 9:13) This is a global petition for the Watchtower organization to change policies in 3 key areas that violate the tenets of true Christianity and human rights: Child Protection (Mt 18:5,6) Medical Treatment (Mt 12:10-12) Shunning (Mt 9:10,11) (Lu 6:35,36) Please visit the following link for more info: https://www.change.org/loveistruth22 Watchtower must change organizational policies that violate human rights We are a group of current and former Jehovah's Witnesses. We believe that "everyone has the right to life, liberty and security", as article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) guarantees. We can no longer ignore human rights violations experienced and observed within the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. Therefore, we petition the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, and specifically the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, to change the following policies: 1. Child Protection (Mt 18:5,6) Proposed Change: First, any allegation of child abuse must be reported to the authorities by the elders, instead of claiming clergy-penitent privilege. (Ro 13:1-4) Second, Watchtower's so called "Two Witness Rule" should not apply in cases of child abuse. In fact, Deuteronomy 22:25-27 shows that a single witness suffices. Finally, the names of known pedophiles should be turned over to the police instead of being hidden away in secret databases at Watchtower branch offices around the world. Failure to report is failure to protect the security of children inside and outside the community of Jehovah's Witnesses, a right protected by article 3 of the UDHR. 2. Medical Treatment (Mt 12:10-12) Proposed Change: Individual Jehovah's Witnesses must be allowed to make their own personal healthcare decisions, especially concerning blood transfusions. To coerce anyone to refuse potentially life-saving medical treatment in an emergency situation is a violation of articles 3 and 25 of the UDHR. If a member of Jehovah's Witnesses is in a life threatening medical situation, they should have the right to choose if they will accept a transfusion, instead of being pressured to refuse, threatened with disassociation. To resolve this sensitive issue and potentially save thousands of lives, Dr. Muramoto proposes a don't-ask-don't-tell policy. 3. Disfellowshipping and Disassociation (Mt 9:10,11) Proposed Change: Jehovah's Witnesses must respect the human dignity of former members as protected by articles 6 and 7 of the UDHR. Watchtower must end their shunning policy because it is inhumane treatment and a cruel punishment, which violates article 5 of the UDHR. Individuals should be free to leave the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses without losing their loved ones, as article 18 of the UDHR guarantees. Finally, article 2 of the UDHR ensures that the above rights apply to all, without distinction of any kind, such as sex, religion, or other status. Disfellowshipped and disassociated people are still people. LGBTQ people are still people. Everyone should be treated the way Jesus Christ treated people, even his enemies, with agape love. (Lu 6:35,6) Homophobia, hate speech, and discrimination are violations of human rights. Jehovah's Witnesses should treat former members of their religion the same way they treat non-believers, with kindness and respect. "No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family." Watchtower made this extraordinary affirmation in the July 2009 Awake!, on page 29. Freedom of belief, expression and religion are fundamental human rights. Thousands of people leave their religion each year to become Jehovah's Witnesses and most do not lose their family in the process. However, if a baptized Jehovah's Witness decides they no longer want to be a member of the religion, they will suffer the loss of all their Witness family and friends, once it is announced that they are no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. In conclusion, Watchtower policies in the above three areas negatively impact the life, liberty and security of millions of current and former Jehovah's Witnesses. Fundamental human rights are being violated on an unprecedented scale and millions of people are suffering as a result. Only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has the power to change these abusive policies. They are the spiritual authority over all of the organization's legal corporations, most noteworthy, The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. We make this global petition with the hope that the Governing Body will make positive changes to their organizational policies and thus end the human rights violations. Love is truth (Mt 22:37-39) A policy that is unloving cannot be true. (Mt 9:13) The motivation behind this petition is based on love and concern for the good people who are being harmed by these bad policies. Please share this petition so it will come to the attention of honest hearted people everywhere who love life, liberty, justice, truth and security. Thank you for your interest and support! As @Pudgy would say 'I only posted it as it involves JWs and would not be on the JW Org website. Some of it I agree with, some of it i don't agree with. There was more on the page and the link is at the top. Happy reading

Rambo is the one that wants to watch people dying, not me. And the words i used are just an expression that have been used on this forum before by others. Um, kinder to watch people die, is it ? Why do JWs love this idea about seeing people die ? Watch news about the war in Ukraine if that is what you people love so much. And then you say it's me that is sick.

Not excuses, but examples. Whereas, you are so ashamed you hide behind a dog cartoon.

Yes but, the values of YHWH through Yeshua are seperate from the JW Org. When you understand that the JW Org does not control God or Christ, then you will find true understanding. But whilst you can only see the GB's Organisation as the only option then you are still trapped.

This comment is soooo funny. Thousands of pedophiles earthwide in the JW Org and you can say that above

This sounds like the JW Org. Everything becoming acceptable such as CSA, adultery, divorce, lies et al. Do you not think this is by Satan's design in the system he is running? Yes because Satan has his hands in the Watchtower and JW Org. The GB certainly do not serve YHWH through Yeshua, so the GB must be serving satan. "and JWs will eventually be persecuted as prophesied?" Where exactly in the scriptures does it mention JWs by name ? If JWs get 'persecuted' for the CSA within it's Org, then rightly so. And also for the shunning rules.

This will be because the man has become a fanatical crazy who will not leave his wife in peace but works 24/7 to undermine her belief system so that she tunes him out to preserve her sanity. It has to be something like this because, again, Watchtower published counsel is that normal marital relations continue in the aftermath of a disfellowshipping, minus only the spiritual component. I laugh at you Tom. You are so naive ( or dishonest ). Now just because people put words on paper, it does not mean that they live their lives by those words. How many times have people broken aggreements. How many times have people disobeyed written rules. Just because W/t publish 'council' does not mean that JWs including Elders follw that council, and it does not mean that those whom wrote the council actually want it obeyed. I was sat next to the phone here at home when an Elder phoned my wife and told her that i had been disfellowshipped. It was good for my wife and i that she knew the truth of the matter. And i now have it in writing from the congregation Elders that i left the Org of my own choice. If my wife had chosen to believe that Elder then she may have stopped talking to me and she may have even called me a liar.

Well it got your attention didn't it. A bit like all the horrible Watchtowers with destructive pictures on the front covers about Armageddon.

So lets start with this 'revelation' above. JWs only right 15% of the time. BUT JWs continually spred the GB's propaganda and lies. Challenged others to show something better. Something better than deliberately spreading false information about YHWH and Yeshua. Something better than scaremongering with false predictions about Armageddon. Something better than the misuse of scripture. Something better that man made rules, made up by uninspired Men who pretend to be the F&DS. Well just maybe, serving YHWH through Yeshua, as an individual, not as part of that immoral Org. But it didn't help you with all your problems did it ? I know that YHWH is right, and that Yeshua is right, and that if we use a few different translations of the scriptures then the generel message is right. BUT JWs can only be right if they serve YHWH through Yeshua. Whilst JWs remain slaves to the GB then JWs will never be right. To stand on street corners guarding a trolly / cart full of GB propaganda IS being a slave to the GB. I hang out here for entertainment. I do also wonder if any of the True Anointed ones will show up. Yes, it's wonderful not being afraid of dying. It allows a person to have freedom of speech.

Now this sounds very much like an admittence that Anointed ones have been disfellowshiped. Now who would have disfellowshipped them ? Oh yes of course, non anointed elders. As for your comment "respect is paid to all". That is not true in all congregations.

James oh James, you just cannot decide which side of that fence to be on can you ? You know they are wrong but you are still frightend they just might be right .... Well maybe they are half right, but oh dear, that means they are half wrong tooooooooooooooo It must be difficult for a man that is pretending to be a dog, to have to make genuine decisions.

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Yes of course, just the reaction I would expect from you James. 1. I'm sure a certain person has used that expression toward me in the past. 2. It was meant as an insult because I'm fed up with him gloating about non JWs suffering and dying. 3. I note that you are more upset with my comment than you are about his distasteful lies. 4. As John Butler, I got d/fed wrongly for what was misinterpreted as threats against the GB, whereas here we have Rambo openly telling everyone how 'marvelous' it will be to see people dying. And you lot lap it all up. Hypocrites

AND I NOTICED AS SOON AS YOU MENTIONED THIS, THE WHOLE TOPIC WENT POLITICAL, JUST TO DISTRACT FROM THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU UPLOADED. Shunning is of couse discrimination, and also misuse of scripture which was instruction given to the Anointed not to the earthly class. But if you need to use scripture in order to show love to people, try this. Matthew 5 : 43 - 45. Yeshua said "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ (This is the JW way) But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" But the GB / Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, want you to hate everyone outside of THEIR Org. JWs are told not to have friends outside of the Org, not to trust anyone outside of the Org, and not to even look at or speak to Ex JWs. And many many JWs are too frightened to disobey.