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Since you posted @Witness, you are responsible for distribution of copyright. The day the Watchtower gets this illegal site promoting itself as JW.org the lawsuits will include you. I hope you understand!

It's funny how the Vatican does have its own military. 😁 The Papal Gendarmerie Corps. I don't see any others complaining and promoting rumors.😂

Well, at least you're in the right track. The next segment begins from 2023-2030. How long did the Israelites have to wait before their pleas were finally answered. It's not the time that matters, but the question Satan placed before humanity with disobedience toward God's sovereignty that needs to be answered for the sake of man and the angels. Therefore, the door to "repentance" is still open.

Yet, a long-winded commentary from a mutt, that is completely meaningless. Just like the past evidence about 1975 here. The book entered into evidence is suggestive only to people with an over active imagination. This is why, it was forced upon NOT to SPECULATE. However, the speculation continues out of ignorance til this day by agitators. To the visitor. The REAL reason behind the Procter & Gamble logo. You can accept it or not! https://www.corporate-eye.com/main/the-procter-gamble-logo-then-and-now/ Those of us attending school as children understood the 13 stars represented the original 13 colonies. It was in the US flag. I'm surprised former Jehovah's Witnesses or the public haven't pinned the "Monster Energy Drink" rumor about the satanic symbol that people claim on the Watchtower and its publications.

This just means we are as imperfect as the apostles and the first century Christian churches. However, out of a few, I won't expand it by exaggerating the numbers. Then you need to further your research. It's documented. There's not too much to say about a traitor or traitors of the truth. They do that themselves. God, and the inspired word of God. Don't make the argument about that traitor. His is meaningless. What counts, his betrayal, lead thousands of lives off the path of truth and knowledge. An effect still visible even in modern times. If you don't get it, @Witness just promoted the nonsense of that person's book.

@Witness, You just made my morning. Good coffee and humor, thanks!

It's not meant to disparage the Watchtower more so than individuals. There's a difference. If I thought that institution was betraying its oath to serve God, I would drop them in a heartbeat. It's 2022, I haven't seen that yet. Therefore, it was my personal decision not to associate with apostate thinkers in Bethel. To me, they were the enemy of God, just like I think any apostate is an enemy of God. Therefore, I have NO personal association here, nor would I want to. Keep in Mind, I PERSONALLY knew Fred and Raymond Franz in a personal level. My heart was broken by Raymond's betrayal.

Come on! Could the suggestion on the O.T. be accomplished as that time? Were the Saints gathered? AMP Rev 20:8-9 8 And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth — Gog and Magog — to muster them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea. [Ezek 38:2,9,15,22.] 9 And they swarmed up over the broad plain of the earth and encircled the fortress (camp) of God's people (the saints) and the beloved city; but fire descended from heaven and consumed them. [2 Kings 1:10-12; Ezek 38:2,22.] The arguments have been about the King of the North and the King of the South.

Good, now who, is Gog and Magog in Revelation, and when does it take effect?

*** w84 9/1 p. 20 Would You Spread a Rumor? *** For example, Procter & Gamble, a large firm supplying household products in the United States, was recently victimized by a rumor that it promoted Satanism and that its trademark was really a demon symbol. Another widespread rumor had it that a well-known chain of fast-food stores was putting worms in its hamburgers! Some years ago it was widely believed that a member of the singing group the Beatles had died in an auto accident and had been replaced by a double. Even the Watchtower Society’s publications have been the subject of rumors—for example, that one of the artists had secretly been introducing pictures of demons into the illustrations, was subsequently found out and disfellowshiped You might consider the infiltrators to cause harm with this illustration. In ancient times, they were considered spies. That's why the great apostasy that was started by Raymond Franz obligated the Watchtower to purge itself. This is why I refused to join the Bethel Family at that time. There were too many apostates that can out in the late 70s and 80s from Bethel for my spirituality. I'm glad I didn't.

Seriously, I have to ask everyone here, does anyone get the book of revelation? I understand, everyone has an interpretation, but my goodness, I have to agree with @TrueTomHarley's last post, sometimes you have to turn off people's nonsense. Lets' start with a simple one. Who, is Gog and Magog? Now in the O.T. it is specific. AMP Ezek 38:2 2 Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, of Meshech, and of Tubal, and prophesy against him, In the book of Revelation, it is also specific. There are elements.

@Arauna. I hope you don't misunderstand. In the case of 1975, you have been a defender of the truth. In this case, I reject the propaganda that was started by your brothers @JW Insider, @Anna, @Thinking, and @Pudgy as Jehovah's Witnesses. @TrueTomHarley just accepted their narrative back when this nonsense was first posted as truth, way back in 2016. It will never be the truth to agree with former Jehovah's Witnesses.

That's always the case. One side note. As I mentioned, if you weren't around that time and weren't aware of some circumstances, there were also imposters promoting and feeding such nonsense to the brotherhood. I believe the word gullible can rightfully be used in this instance. If you do some additional research, you will find how a little church in New York started a "rumor" about the company logo of Procter and Gamble in the 80s. They linked that logo to devil worship. Soon after, some pretenders started floating the idea, it was coming from the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses. That link started affecting the brotherhood. In some cases, JWs had stopped buying products from that company. That rumor spread until the Watchtower put a stop to that also.

Blocked!!!

When you make a false statement, @Srecko Sostar you might consider fact checking first. I know of former Jehovah's Witnesses making their own churches, and they also have plenty of internet groups to socialize and slander the Watchtower. If you haven't "noticed" you're part of one, here. https://www.4jehovah.org/how-can-i-meet-ex-jehovahs-witnesses-in-my-area/ If you're ever in New York, Arizona, etc. they have lovely meetings. False Religion meetings, but lovely nevertheless. Perhaps you should expand your horizon in your area. I'm sure you will find friendly ExJWs to socialize with, and who want to disparage and slander the WT, and it's GB. Give it a shot! 😊 You can also go to @Witness a group of unjust Christians and join their lovely group of slanderers. They have a website just for your kind. Hasn't she invited you to join via I.M.? Shocking!

Yes! Let's remember where the speculation arose from? Foolish Witnesses, NOT the Watchtower or its GB. Later to become propaganda for former Jehovah's Witnesses such as yourself @Witness, and @Pudgy Oh! Yeah! I forgot and also @Patiently waiting for Truth

Let's not twist the narrative. JWI conclusion was that Fred Franz promoted 1975 to the error presentation given here. Fred Franz himself told people NOT to speculate and put dates upon the arrival of the 6000 years of man's existence. That is recorded. Therefore, JWI was wrong to align himself with that former JW narrative of 1975. What Brother Franz said was taken out of context. *** w66 10/15 p. 631 Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast *** ‘What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?’ asked Brother Franz. ‘Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah’s witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that. To Jehovah's Witnesses. We've been living in the last days way before 1975. Now we are living in the last days even closer. So indeed, Time is short, Time is running out, no question about it. It is much the truth back then as it is today. Therefore, Franz was answering a question from an intuitive young one. *** w66 10/15 p. 631 Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast *** At the Baltimore assembly Brother Franz in his closing remarks made some interesting comments regarding the year 1975. He began casually by saying, “Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, ‘Say, what does this 1975 mean? Does it mean this, that or any other thing?’” In part, Brother Franz went on to say: ‘You have noticed the chart [on pages 31-35 in the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God]. It shows that 6,000 years of human experience will end in 1975, about nine years from now. What does that mean? Does it mean that God’s rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it. If that is the case, what does that mean to us? [He went into some length showing the feasibility of the 4026 B.C.E. date as being the beginning of God’s rest day.] What would God's rest represent, if it came in 1975? Does it mean after God's creation and God rested, is God still at rest? Giving Satan full control of humanity from way back then? Or does it mean after 1975, Satan gathered full control of humanity to cause more harm to it, as seen by historical events that we can now experience first hand with the war in Ukraine.

Does this mean you want me to behave like an apostate like you? NEVER!! I have more Christianity in my pinky than you do with your entire family.

In this case, you are a bunch of liars since you insist people see the complete picture while you ignore it. Now, in your case, you identify yourself as Christian while behaving like @TrueTomHarley. Then he complains how others are not acting like a Christian, while telling the visitor to ignore the truth about Present and Former Jehovah's Witnesses acting like a bunch of thugs to the truth.

To the readers. What @Patiently waiting for Truth is selling to you here is fertilizer. An account of a real Jehovah's Witness experience. "I was baptized in 1966 so I was there in 1975 and it had absolutely no effect on me nor anyone in my very large family. The reason that it had no effect on 99.9% of Witnesses is because most were listening to what was really being said and not speculating. They were NOT saying that the end would come in 1975."

What do you think this catchy phrase meant?

Coming from a person that doesn't quote the entire comment from others, and then complains about it, yes! I do find that funny. Do you think, someone losing their soul by the hands of another is funny? No, what you are showing is, none responsiveness toward an argument, that leads others to the wrong conclusion.

You mean like you? What kind of fake Christian are you pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness, while telling readers that others aren't because you disprove of Christian truth just to fulfil your bylines?

Here we go, in what sense?

I love this one, grand wizard? You just made my day, thanks.