Dmitar

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This totally contradicts my posts where I have stated that in my own opinion I WILL NOT be in that New world. 
Many Anointed ones went through all that but only to be told that that are no longer considered to be of the F&DS. 
The truth is that the GB tell you they are the F&DS and you believe them, although there is NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER, but because you worship them and not YHWH, you will believe those 8 men. Even though they twisted scripture such as the Romans 'superior authority', scripture, but you still serve them. 
They were preaching that only JWs would be saved and that a person HAD TO BE A BAPTISED JW TO GET SAVED. 
Now that may not be political but it has NO true foundation and it was only used to frighten people into the Org.

Um, now tell me, what name did Yeshua use in the 'model prayer' when teaching the  disciples how to pray. 
Matthew 6 : 9 Berean Study Bible
So then, this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.

But it wasn't you or me that made them the F&DS, it was them, THEMSELVES that decided they were. They exalted themselves above all the other Anointed ones. They called them selves the F&DS. 
The lies are many. They say they are the F&DS. That is a lie.  They say that other Anointed are NOT of the F&DS. Now you tell me what gives your GB the right to make that statement ? That proves they have exalted themselves above all other people on this Earth. 
I do not believe there is a F&DS at this time.  I do not believe there is one 'organisation' or 'religion' that is serving YHWH properly through Yeshua at this time. I think there are people as individuals that are doing their best to serve YHWH to the best of their ability right now though, but not as an organisation or structured religion. 
The Governing Body of the JW Org dictates how JWs do the work of the GB. That GB not only dictates how to 'preach' but WHAT EXACTLY to 'preach'. In other words JWs are just slaves of the GB. JWs are told to hand out propaganda written by the GB or authorised by the GB. Now if you stand at a cart just to give out the written words of the GB that makes you a servant of the GB not a servant of YHWH. But of course you do not want to understand that.....
If the GB wanted YHWH's word distributed they would have JWs handing out Bibles freely, not Watchtowers or Awake mags or tracts which are not from YHWH. 

What is the problem with fitting something new into an existing entirety / complex that has worked almost "smoothly" until then? 
Instead of analyzing through my own "intellectual exertion" (perhaps on another occasion) I used a biblical quote from the Gospel of Mark.
21 No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the patch  tears away  from  it, the new from the old, and a worse tear is made. 22 And no one puts new wine into old qwineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins—and the  wine is destroyed, and so are the skins.  But  new wine  is  for fresh wineskins.”

You just reminded me to wonder; What is the difference between “perfect spiritual food” that does not exist in WTJWorg, because GB themselves say that food is not perfect, compared to “spiritual food at the proper time”?
If something important to us came at the best moment, then it is great or "perfect".
But now we need to ask ourselves what is it that needs to be “perfect”? The moment when something comes or the thing / phenomenon that comes?
Both, if we seek and expect the best.
This opens up a new dimension of thinking. The "best spiritual food in proper time" is adapted to the time/moment and generation of the recipient. Every new best spiritual food at proper time needs to be adapted to new circumstances and new people. That is why WTJWorg is changing doctrines.

Um, BUT the GB say that YHWH and Yeshua trust the GB. 
The GB state that they ARE the Faithful and Discreet Slave distributing properfood at the right time. EVEN THOUGH THE ONE SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY USED, IS A QUESTION, NOT A DIRECT STATEMENT OF WHOM.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/
9 Do all anointed ones on earth make up the faithful slave? No. The reality is  that not all anointed ones have a role in dispensing spiritual food to fellow believers worldwide. Among the wheat are anointed brothers who may serve as ministerial servants or elders in their local congregation. They teach from house to house and in their congregation, and they loyally support the direction from headquarters. But they do not have a part in dispensing spiritual food to the worldwide brotherhood. Also among the anointed are humble sisters, who would never try to assume the role of teachers in the congregation.—1 Cor. 11:3; 14:34.
10 Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave have served together at headquarters. In recent decades, that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Note, however, that the word “slave” in Jesus’ illustration is singular, indicating that this is a composite slave. The decisions of the Governing Body are thus made collectively.
ALL OF THAT WATCHTOWER ARTICLE IS PURE LIES. WHY ? BECAUSE IT HAS NO TURE FOUNDATION. 
You cannot say that you will only speak truth from YHWH, and then speak deception.

"We have to be absolutely sure that everything fits."
 
 
 

This conclusion seems fine to me.
But as often happens, that word appears - but.
At the time of the doctrine popularly called "the 1914 generation", we do not know today which people took part in it and how they led the debates, which of them were for, which were against, and which abstained. We today do not know what motivated these people and whether they were simply mistaken in believing in the wrong idea.
Or were they actually right so that the second / third coming of the Kingdom actually took place within the "generation of 1914", but in a different way than expected and which remained invisible to WTJWorg and JW members?
But let’s get back to a simpler reality. When WTJWorg concluded that “Jesus thought differently” and that "he actually meant" the “overlapping generation,” then it could be said and written in official documents (WT literature):
That the former WTJWorg leadership taught the wrong doctrine because they believed in delusion and misconception. Why they believed in delusion and thought wrongly? Because they didn't know the real truth. We believe in another idea today. If this idea turns out to be wrong in the future, you need to know that we didn’t want to lie to you but that we just sincerely believed we were right this time.
 

Do you think God wants people to be comforted by delusions?  These men propose to be God's spokespeople and guided by His Spirit.  
This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."  Jer 23:16
The picture I attached is just one of many acts of vision from the minds of Wt's leaders.  Those people on the cover and many more with them, were filled with false hopes.  Did they draw comfort from the false hope when on their death bed? 
Usually repetitive liars know that they are not telling the truth. 
"But which of them has stood in the council of the Lord
    to see or to hear his word?
    Who has listened and heard his word?"
I did not send these prophets,
    yet they have run with their message;
I did not speak to them,
    yet they have prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my council,
    they would have proclaimed my words to my people
and would have turned them from their evil ways
    and from their evil deeds."  Jer 23:18,21,22
 

Can you see it yet?  Do you realize how responsible the leadership of your organization is, for placing stumbling blocks before God's holy people - Jesus Christ's "kings of the earth"?  Mal 2:8; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10
Prophets who lie are spiritual harlots, because they have broken their covenant with God.  Ps 78:10;  Rev 13:11,12; 17:1-5
 

I do not believe that YHWH or Yeshua sees them as all being the same. 
Matthew 18 : 5, 6, 7 
And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world for the causes of sin. These stumbling blocks must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!
Now just think of how many children, earthwide, have been stumbled in the JW Org by sexual abuse of themselves or of close friends or relatives. 
Whole families have been stumbled, or REMOVED from the Org by Elders, because of CSA.  Unless of course you believe that EVERY complaint and EVERY court case is a lie. That is what your GB would have you believe. And, that is why your GB's Lawyers settle out of court but put 'gagging oders' on people. 
That 25 year JW Pedophile Database in the USA seems never to see the light of day.  Very strange that other 'civilised' countries have released their data info'. 
IT IS REALLY SAD THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING THAT CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN THEIR ORGANISATION DOES NOT MATTER. 
 

Correct, Child Maltreatment was a problem even back then. You had NUNS in the 1860s being accused of CSA. It took activists to finally bring the problem of CSA to the world by the media because of "child trafficking."
The Characterization of an institution is influenced by assumptions. The problem of CSA within the Watchtower was limited. However, child maltreatment was a small problem. I think the first recorded was in 1971, and an advisory was given to the Elders on how to investigate those allegations, without stepping in the legal system's toes.
When the Watchtower and Awake are printed, it's meant for everyone, especially it's members. However, as far as I can remember, It was a situation that presented itself, however rare, and it was handled by judicial committees and back then most of the time, by local police.
Now, are you talking about advertising it on a local newspaper? That was left for the District Attorney, and the victim, if they wished to have their story on the front page. You seem to forget, a traumatizing event is not something a victim would like other people to be aware of. But it was left for the Victim to make it public. Back then, the congregations would give out the reason for being disfellowshipped. Now, due to privacy laws, they just mention a person is reproved or disfellowshipped with possibly limited info or none at all. 
This depends on how you view the transgressions. You seem to imply this was something that regularly happened. CSA was uncommon. Child Abuse, maltreatment was. Let's get that finally straight. Therefore, it was categorized as maltreatment of a child. 
However, some governments have had some type of privacy law that limited the amount of information that could be retained, even back then. Now, it's an obligation. However, many governments still deprive the victim by having certain laws remain in place.
However, back then, the victim spoke to the local police, and then they would notify the Elders of the outcome. After, the Elders would continue with their judicial obligation to disfellowship a wrong doer.
The hype comes from ExJWs that insist, people got away with thing within the Watchtower. I would like an honest ExJW come here and tell you people why that person was disfellowshipped. That nonsense about speaking against the Watchtower, is an ExJW excuse. Someone like @Pudgy
 
 
 

This obtuse statement doesn't reflect the warnings the Watchtower has made to the public and the Christian Congregations before governments began to notice the harm that Individuals needed to be aware of and take personal action.
 
*** g75 4/22 p. 17 Does the Solution Lie with Psychiatrists? ***
The general failure of psychiatrists to appreciate God and his teachings on morality has resulted in great harm’s being done. As an example, the Long Island Press carried the front page heading: “Sodomy Ring Smashed. Group charged with sexually abusing youths.” The article said: “Four men—including an internationally known child psychiatrist . . . were arraigned yesterday on sodomy, sexual abuse and conspiracy charges involving adolescents.”

*** w79 2/1 p. 3 Is Faith Old-Fashioned? ***
LOOK AT THE FAMILY
“Only a battlefield or a riot are more violent than the American home.” So said a United Press International dispatch from Washington, D.C., as published in the Rocky Mountain News of Denver, Colorado. The statement was based on a nationwide survey of household violence as presented to a subcommittee of the House of Representatives. “Child abuse, wife and husband beating, sexual assault and sibling violence,” all were described by witnesses at hearings on family violence.
 
*** w83 10/1 p. 27 Help for the Victims of Incest ***
Help for the Victims of Incest
Incestuous child abuse is sexual abuse of children by an older relative. Usually, it is by a male relative—such as a father, stepfather, uncle or older brother. Sometimes, but much more rarely, it is by a female relative. According to the book The Silent Children, incestuous abuse can range from improper fondling to oral-genital contact to intercourse. Of course, affectionate physical contact between children and older people is proper. But when the older person finds these contacts arousing, or when he does things alone with the child that he would not do if the child’s mother were present, this will likely lead to sexual abuse of the child.
 
Therefore, the only ones that are sicked minded are fools that refuse to accept, they have nothing on the Watchtowers, moral compass.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28212710
https://www.encyclopedia.com/reference/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/child-abuse-history
https://www.livescience.com/34738-egypt-cemetery-reveals-child-abuse.html
 

An IP address is a physical address assigned to a specific user. How do you think, governments can trace an address to a specific user, unless you're suggesting you guys are excellent hackers, which would be difficult to accept. 😉
If you are talking about people trying to disrupt their online usage with garbage by spamming or hacking, then, yes! I can see there would be an effort made. That also depends on if the hacks are willful for prosecution. Then, it's a matter of time, when those losers will be caught. Thanks for the tip.
This is incorrect, since a gathering is formed after 2 or 3, which now becomes organized, and the homes of the users now become a building of worship. You need to stop lying to yourself. With me, you will never win, nor convince.

I hope it is NOT RUBBISH, but is a non-sequiter visualization joke … but humor is an individual thing.
The comedian and TV LATE NITE host Johnny Carson had 16 joke writers, and about half his jokes bombed ………. But he stlll made about $16,000 a minute for 30 years or so doing that schlock.
What I am looking for is a gig that pays $2,000,000 a minute, I work 30 minutes, and then move to Florida.

DOG, Why do you need to add rubish to a serious topic ? Is it because you feel out of your depth ?  Are you insecure ? 
And then SM chirps in with politics. Oh dear @JW Insider I was beginning to enjoy reading your thoughts here, not that I fully understand it all.  I have no thought of my own on these things, i admit to it all being beyond me. 

So ….. under those silk robes with the dragons on the back and sleeves they really ARE held up by compressed helium?
and …. and …. Inside those huge droopy sleeves they keep hamsters?

I see the Dmitar has engaged in another mindless spasm of down voting.

Yes. I see your point. It becomes difficult to keep trying to see who the original characters were, and then making them only the OBJECT LESSONS of the time of the end.
The only way to do that is to spiritualize the lesson. By "spiritualizing," I mean that these enemies to Jehovah's people really are dead to us, because we have warred with Jehovah's enemies and "conquered the world" according to scripture. Of course, we must also continue to conquer, but Christians are in effect already raised up, and his enemies are already condemned to death. In other words there is a sense in which the King of the North already "came to his end in the land of decoration."
And the reason I'm looking into spiritualizing the lesson would be because I think we know (deep down) that this is also the way to understand Revelation, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. We know that Jesus had in mind the destruction of Jerusalem in 70, and called it, in effect, "a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time." When Jesus added, "nor will ever occur again," now we must move it forward again to the final parousia, not just the time of judgment on literal Jerusalem.
Also, Revelation says that Daniel wasn't really in the time of the end, and thus the scrolls were sealed up, but it's because Revelation was written in the time of the end that it was then time to unseal Daniel's words. We resolve that in the WT publications by saying that John wasn't really in the time of the end, but that he was moved in a vision to the 1914 era. But this does not fit the introduction to Revelation before John is swept away in vision, and it does not resolve the issue of what almost every letter in the Christian Greek Scriptures includes (plus Acts): the fact that they also were written in what had just become the time of the end, the last days. It's even in the quote from 1 Cor 10, above:
they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have come.

But that's a bit beside the point, which is that Daniel 11 clearly has a very specific set of kings in mind. I have not yet figured out exactly why so many Bible commentators have decided that they should apply new and different kings to these kings of the north and south.
Why do we do this for the KON and KOS, but not for any of the predecessor kings like Alexander the Great. If Daniel 11 referred to the Seleucid and Ptolemaic empire/kingdoms which were two of the four generals split from Alexander's empire when he died, then why do we say that it has changed its meaning over the years?

Under another topic "Dmitar" quoted from material that matches Wilmington's Bible Handbook, p439, about Daniel 11:

Then Dmitar quoted material that matches the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia about Antiochus, p.143-4 in the edition I'm referencing (1979):
ANTIOCHUS
2. The favorite name of the Seleucid kings, whose history with reference to Jewish affairs is contained particularly in the books of Maccabees, and is predicted with remarkable minuteness in Dan 11. The name was first borne by one of the generals of Philip, whose son SELEUCUS , by the hold of the first Ptolemy, established himself as ruler of Babylon. In the Macedonian calendar the Seleucid era began with Dios 1 (Oct. 7), 321 B.C.; in the Babylonian it began with Nisanu 1 (Apr. 3), 311 B.C. Parker and Dubberstein cautioned: "The beginnings and ends of their reigns cannot always be determined with exactitude" (Babylonian Chronology [1956], p. 20). When Ptolemy, son of Lagus, became master of Southern Syria, the line dividing Seleucus and his successors from the Ptolemies (cf. "king of the north" and "king of the south" in Dan 11) was drawn somewhat to the north of Damascus, the capital of Coele-Syria.
If anyone is interested, the context of that quote is here, on page 20:
http://www.caeno.org/pdf/Parker_Babylonian chronology_Kings reigns.pdf
I reference the context of the original because some of us might be tempted to make use of this quote from P&D to indicate that Neo-Babylonian chronology cannot always be determined with exactitude. So it's good to notice the entire sentence:
"The beginnings and ends of [their] reigns cannot always be determined with the exactitude that was possible in the earlier periods. However . . . there is no difficulty in establishing the calendar or in translating [these] dates into Julian dates."

Are you then suggesting that Child Sexual Abuse is on the same level as adultery ? 
Are you suggesting a Pedophile should be treated the same as an adulterer ? 
If so then you are 'sick', and I am more than concerned for you. 
Two consenting adults having immoral sex is of course sin, but it is not hurting children. It is also not illegal.
Child Sexual Abuse is far worse, but it seems that you do not think so, neither does your GB or Elders or others in the JW Org.  The GB are only concerned when the 'outside of the dish looks as dirty as the inside of the dish'.  It's all about the false impression, and it seems you agree with them. . 
They were too frightened to tell the truth about my 'departure'. To the point that one Elder told my wife on the phone, that I had been disfellowshipped. Now if he told my wife that, knowing that my wife knew all the facts, then what is that Elder telling everyone else. More lies from a wicked org.
One point here though. The GB are obviously frightened to admit that people DO leave the org of their own choice.  After all it would not be tooooooo hard for them to say that 'John Butler has left the organisation'. 
Lets think about this for a moment. The GB and previous Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org pretend that they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave, supplying true spiritual food at the PROPER TIME. But you criticise me for pointig out the FACTS that those Leaders have told many lies and given false predictions. 
Here is a little of my basis for The True Anointed. 
Zechariah 8:23 
Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”
 Acts 2:17 & 18 
Berean Study Bible
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.Even on My menservants and maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
Now I find that to be quite a good 'hint' from scripture. I'm sorry if you do not have such faith. 
 

An IP address is a physical address assigned to a specific user. How do you think, governments can trace an address to a specific user, unless you're suggesting you guys are excellent hackers, which would be difficult to accept. 😉
If you are talking about people trying to disrupt their online usage with garbage by spamming or hacking, then, yes! I can see there would be an effort made. That also depends on if the hacks are willful for prosecution. Then, it's a matter of time, when those losers will be caught. Thanks for the tip.
This is incorrect, since a gathering is formed after 2 or 3, which now becomes organized, and the homes of the users now become a building of worship. You need to stop lying to yourself. With me, you will never win, nor convince.