Moise Racette

Shouldn't it be Noisy, Anna? 😁 But, given the response from the poster, it must be all true. Isn't it "Thinking." 😄

Hmm! How many times did you and other posters say, That Allan has been kicked out because of you people? Yet, you call it trash talk, and you remain here. Does that make sense to anyone, if he was accepting the challenge of that trash talk, and he got kicked out? What's the difference between you people's insults and that person? Not only do you contradict yourself, but you and others complain about how many accounts that "Allan" has had to make, while you people seem to be free and clear. It looks like, these 2 forums are run by a handful of people that protect themselves at all cost. No moral standing by some, not all, just saying. Does this mean that person got kicked out again? 😅😅

Sure it does. It just gets designated as Bacon, Cheeseburger.

However, I get to see the famous "Allen Smith" the most hated poster in this forum. I guess there's no love loss between the brethren. Not a good thing for the public viewer. At this point, what does JW stand for to the posters?

Does it really matter? We can pretend that we are many when in fact, we are just a few. I can combine Anna with Thinking, and TTH with Xero. Once again, does it really matter, when only those that are not part of an original group get kicked out. I think, everyone should just move on, with this who's who.

No typo. I don't want to give narcissist ideas. So, I got close to the word ban. Somehow, I knew you would get involved, as usual when you people are starting your campaign of getting people other than yourselves, banned from this forum. It usually starts with @Pudgy and @Anna using the assumption of removal. Glad to know you're still predictable, homie!!

Since it appears, everyone here is hung up on the name "Allen" or Allen Smith. I recommend everyone advocate to the owner to reinstate that name. Problem solved. Why should only the posters have the privilege of maintaining their handle. Just saying.

I guess you are referring to yourself again. So, stop squinting!!!

The same argument given by @JW Insider. Just like @Pudgy said about insults that now @Anna has entered to. I don't have the same cover defense from the owner. That in itself should show, these two forums are just for salty individuals that have no business being witnesses. However, posters should stick to where they are the most comfortable showing their faulty and disingenuous logic, like in the closed forum, where no one can see that kind of hypocrisy. Since @Pudgy and @Anna are now in a campaign to have me band, How does it feel to pretend?

Sorry to inform you, I'm not a hypocrite that doesn't desire to enter a forum where d'fd individual are allowed just because Anna likes him. Kind of defeats the purpose of scripture.

I guess people can say the same thing about many posters here, about faulty, sad, and tragic arguments and behavior. I find someone complaining about it is also, unintended complement. I still feel, this post should have stayed in the closed forum where everyone can complain.

That's good you mention this, since @Amidstheroses attacked me personally, not my idea. A person you are so quick to defend, just like others defend you. So, let's not talk nonsense. By the way, if WallyMacNasty was kicked out of this forum, while you continue to be PudgyMacNasty; it should tell you who is being defended and allowed to act like a MacNasty all they want. Therefore, it would appear Wally was kicked out because of your nastiness. Does that sound fair? Only if you are the owner of this forum.

Now if you are referring to the word "degenerate" that I used to mean ex-witnesses, and you include yourself as well as others here, how clean is your conscience if you have to think that way?

Where's yours. Just because a couple doesn't have the same last name doesn't mean anything in modern society. Also, aren't you the one placing laughing emojis everywhere? Scold yourself before you attempt meaningless rhetoric. You people here seem to think, you own this forum, and you are the only ones that can comment. Flash, this is an open forum. The day you people decide to act like Jehovah's Witnesses here by not associating yourselves with d'fd individuals just because you like them, I will start to. Therefore, the better question is, who are you?

It appears, all the theories of perhaps those two individuals being baptized publishers went out the window. Maybe one or both were studying, or just attendees. Animosity was compounded by the employer. Either way, the murdered woman has redemption, while the shooter doesn't. Firebombing churches has become a thing with degenerates that listen to all the false propaganda from websites and forums. However, it's nothing new. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101985843 As for being married, perhaps they were just a couple attending church. I don't recall when a couple was forbidden attending a KH just because they weren't married.

I guess the poster is referring to himself. Spot on!

This is funny since the topic can easily be classified as Ex-Witnesses YouTube public information department Propaganda push. Who should the public believe? An organization that is making every effort to hold Christ and God commands and values? Or liars that condemn those commands and values.

With the posting of @Pudgy. The poster claims to be superior to God. I personally wouldn't think of it. I do have faith in the resurrection in case someone decides to end my life. Once again, does it matter if God is the ultimate judge? This post has now become an embarrassment, by laughing at other people's pain. What kind of JW's are these people here?

There seems to be a poster confusing man's law with justifiable homicide, with the precious life God holds for his creation. *** w61 2/15 p. 118 Euthanasia and God’s Law *** Yes, God’s Word plainly tells that human life is sacred and that he who takes a human life must forfeit his own: “Anyone shedding a man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image he made man.” This law was repeatedly stated to the nation of Israel by Moses and others of the prophets, as well as to the followers of Jesus Christ by himself and his apostles.—Gen. 9:6; Ex. 20:13; Num. 35:30-32; Matt. 19:18; 1 John 3:15. To God, it doesn't matter how humanity wants to justify the killing of another, What counts; how God will judge the individual that took said life, regardless of what man's law states. Man's law does NOT supersede God's law.

This is why God can read minds. Therefore, whoever has a wrongful motive, God will know, even though an Elder might not. An Elder is not a psychologist, but a psychologist can be an Elder. How much time should be given to a troubled mind?

It's sad, posters confuse scripture to make their own understanding justified. I guess the same can be said about the incident in question. Somehow, human imperfection will always play a role in Satan's world. Never understood how, "truth" can be ad hominem. Must be logic when those attacks are made in form of a cartoon. 1 Corinthians 15:33

Then the poster doesn't understand the biblical implication of what murder means to God. That opinion of murder in the eyes of man is meaningless. That salty application also indicates, the poster has no faith in God's promise of resurrection. Human value. ESV | 1 Ch 22:8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have waged great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed so much blood before me on the earth. God's righteous Justice is indisputable, not for any man.

@JW Insider I don't mind if you remove or delete my comments in order for this topic to go into "JW Closed Forum" I believe all the participants and posters here, aside from me are already members of that JW closed forum where even a d'fd person that is liked can participate unimpeded. That's not the value of scripture with its application, but friendship of man, before God, is the norm in that forum.

What is the psychology of Satan to use imperfection to his advantage? Should any witness be surprised? The fact you have forums, such as this one promoting negative things about the Org and it's members, gives people emotional ammunition to justify their behavior. https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/caller-threatens-mass-shooting-at-kingdom-hall-of-jehovahs-witnesses/ https://www.unionleader.com/news/crime/police-man-accused-of-shooting-up-jehovahs-witness-kingdom-hall-was-there-to-commit-suicide/article_9599604c-5685-5e22-9a29-cffac8dd2e02.html https://www.kiro7.com/news/south-sound-news/shots-fired-into-kingdom-hall-of-jehovahs-witnesses/750155526/ I second the motion on moving this topic. I feel, there should at least be one place for scholarly bible discussions.

The Denver Post doesn't make any sense. If the pair was working together to harm Witnesses at the Kingdom hall, like Bonnie and Clyde, they would have died like Bonnie and Clyde, not murder-suicide. But, just like anything that sparks speculation by disenchanted witnesses here, why don't people just invoke their right to free speech and be brave enough to let the Org know how they really feel about it. Then look to start your own religion, just like Some Israelites did when they started worshiping Baal. Also, wordplay with the word "murder" doesn't make a difference. (Matthew 5:21) 21 “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.. . . Let's not start misrepresenting scripture to the public in what is considered self-defense to a Christian of Faith. Should Jesus have used the self-defense ideology to preserve his life? It appears, this topic should have been entered in the "closed forum" so illogical participants could air their complaints about the Org in a private group setting. The difference with Murder is, even thought you might NOT be judged by man's law with self-defense, you won't escape God's judgment, since God still considers it murder. (James 2:10, 11) 10 For if anyone obeys all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against all of it. 11 For the one who said, “You must not commit adultery,” also said, “You must not murder.” If, now, you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of law. . . Once again, let's not combine man's law and the bible with our own belief to justify an erred assumption. Murder is murder to God, justified or not, and a person will be judged for taking the life of another by God, justified or not. That is why, people cannot apply that hypothetical in wartime to justify murder through war in order to preserve ones own life. Simply put, we should not place ourselves in a position to be judged just like those two individuals if they had a sinful motive.