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Bravo! You've touched upon the core issue here, just as the apostle Paul did in his time. When presenting facts as truth, it is crucial to rely on God's understanding rather than solely on man-made perspectives, as you suggest. 
This sort of dogma has persisted here for far too long, and it is high time we address it. This is a good reason to bring it to the attention of sincere and genuine witnesses who enter this forum seeking truth, only to find apostasy fueled by a small group of resentful witnesses who, due to their long-standing service in the organization, feel they have the right to complain without proper justification or reasoning.
Many of us have dedicated over 60 years of service to Jehovah and have encountered numerous reasons to express our concerns. However, as you rightly stated, we are all imperfect. Therefore, it would be inappropriate for anyone to believe that their perspective is inherently superior to that of the responsible individuals within the Watchtower organization.
It undermines the message of Christ that Paul was entrusted with the "mission" to guide the faithful followers of Christ by trivializing, exposing, and otherwise rebuking those who tried to lead the followers astray with their own interpretations, similar to the Pharisees who added to the laws of Moses.
So, it was crucial for the apostle Paul to not only gain acceptance for his ministry, considering his past as a persecutor of Christians, but also to reinforce his message to those who might cause their fellow believers to stumble. After all, apostasy is just another form of stumbling.
I hope that your fellow members in the closed club will adopt a rational mindset and enthusiastically welcome your proposal for this forum. My aim is to prioritize the presentation of biblical truth with a focus on accurate interpretation, rather than excessive speculation, and with this, I joyfully welcome your analogy, thank you. 

I was intrigued by the opening statement of this poignant comment that was made in another thread just recently.
"Can someone tell me what is the point of this thread? Oh never mind, ignore (the) question. Sorry I asked." 
Could someone shed light on why this comment is not employed by numerous, if not countless, apostate posts that have been produced here in the past or present? Even those that are not explicitly labeled as apostate carry subtle undertones, as they originate from professed witnesses who express grievances. But why are these posts necessary if disseminating misinformation contradicts the teachings of Christ?
What is the purpose behind engaging in endless, distorted debates that serve no productive end? Can visitors see the irony of the question? I have come to terms with the fact that finding genuine, respectful conversation here is unlikely, as there are certain individuals who relish in criticism and seek to create discord within God's organization. They label themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses, but their actions bring shame upon Him, much like they believe mine does and strangely enough, they appear unfazed by this reality. But is there a difference in God's eyes with the actions that we take? There certainly is? I uphold God's truth while they fight for their personal honor, not as Christians but as individuals. So, it will be of no surprise, then, that they will perceive this post as negative and expect others to reciprocate in kind.
"Can someone tell me what is the point of this thread?"
I believe there was a discussion thread regarding Galatians 1:8. This thread complements the previous one, offering a genuine understanding of Paul's words. It reflects the attitude people adopt in other threads when engaging in arguments.
This thread is titled "No Other Gospel," and it delves into the profound message of Galatians 1:6-10. Previously, much emphasis was placed on a single word: "accursed." This word carries immense weight, as it not only serves as a critique directed towards those in Galatia who had strayed from the teachings of Christ, but it also serves as a fervent condemnation of those who engage in apostasy.
The contrast between Jesus and Paul is truly staggering. Jesus initiated a transformative ministry that eventually became known as Christianity. His mission was to demonstrate that God's love for the Jews had not been forsaken. On the other hand, Paul played a crucial role in upholding and furthering this ministry. Not only did he work tirelessly to maintain its momentum, but he also strived to shed light on any potential deviations from the true message of Christ.
Paul's words were often exceedingly harsh, resonating with unparalleled dissonance. They were a powerful rebuke to those who sought to seduce others by betraying the teachings of Christ. He saw them as perverted to the truth and the gospel. This was because Christ had already established the standards for living a Christian life, and no one was to undermine those standards.
Some fake witnesses here have falsely claimed that the Watchtower Governing Body can be considered "accursed." These people, without proper evidence, allege that the Governing Body is deviating from the gospel of Christ.
The challenge then becomes: how can individuals who lack a deep understanding of scripture discern when someone else is deviating from Christ's Gospel? In truth, they cannot. However, many have conditioned their minds and hearts to embrace a false conclusion. This is precisely what Paul vehemently rebuked - those who mistakenly believe they comprehend Christ's gospel, yet possess an erroneous perspective. Such individuals, who dissent from the truth, are indeed deserving of condemnation.
Therefore, Biblical Scholars would view this as "A Apostolic Curse."
After Apostle Paul became skilled in delivering warm greetings and salutations to the congregations, a question arises: why do conflicted Christians fail to perceive or comprehend the striking contrast in which God permitted Paul's Ministry to persist, despite His potential displeasure with the stern rebukes Paul directed towards his fellow Christians when he deemed it necessary? Once again, God observed the repetition of disobedience to Christ's mission, just as the ancient Israelites did, after they deviated from their commitment to follow the one true God. 
Even today, we can still observe the same parallel: there are those who, in their arrogance, choose to rely on their own understanding instead of being guided by the spirit of the gospel, as exemplified by the Watchtower GB, which they unjustly condemn.
How did Paul approach the situations in Galatia and Rome? 
Galatians 2:21 New International Version
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
Romans 6:14 New International Version
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Jehovah's Witnesses must be cautious about whom they consider a brother, as they might unknowingly be dealing with someone who distorts the gospel's message. It is important to "rebuke" dissenters and reveal them as deceivers, as the gospels instruct. While they dislike being labeled, they are quick to falsely label the Watchtower GB. What should not concern us is when a dissenter rebukes, for self-justification rather than biblical justification.

1 Timothy 5:20 Christian Standard Bible
20 Publicly rebuke those who sin, so that the rest will be afraid.
Luke 17:3-4 New International Version
3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sister[a] sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. 4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”
The operative word here is "repent." Without it, there is a limit to God's forgiveness.
Romans 6:19 New International Version
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
1 Corinthians 8-9-13 New International Version
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

The precise date of Jesus' birth is a subject of speculation, with some suggesting it occurred in either 2 BC or 4 BC. If we consider 2 BC, there is an interesting discrepancy with the calendar months. In Tishri, the festival celebration takes place, but Jesus commanded his followers to observe Nisan 14. According to the Jewish calendar, this corresponds to the Passover Sacrifice (Pesach) on April 18, 2 B.C., which adds further significance to Jesus' birth.
The scripture does not mention the celebration of Jesus' birth on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) on Tishri 1, 3760, which falls on September 29, 2 B.C.
As you have confessed to secretly celebrating your own birthday, which is no longer a secret, it would be up to your conscience if you want to celebrate Jesus birthday. However, since the date isn't determined, by accepting the possibility of Jesus being born in 2 B.C., you will need to make some adjustments. As I mentioned before, since the exact date is unknown, it is reasonable to consider anywhere from 6 to 1 B.C. There are biblical scholars who suggest that John the Baptist was born approximately 6 months before Jesus, which would place John's birth in 1 B.C., according to Wiki. You can also take into account the age at which Jesus started his ministry, you can even trace back from that.
Shhh! Don't spill the beans to your friends, family, or fellow believers outside this forum. Just kidding, I'm just teasing you.

First, the irony lies in his claim that he can design an oil refinery or a municipal water system in his mind while he can't seem to keep his head out of the toilet and mind out of the gutter. 😂
Anyone, regardless of intellect, can create something if they apply themselves. However, such endeavors may not contribute to one's spiritual growth. 
Here we have a situation where a person openly admits to being rude and obnoxious, and others seem to accept it. But when someone stands up for themselves against these individuals, they are not accepted. It is concerning that this kind of behavior is not only tolerated but even celebrated.
Be cautious, as it seems that a ban is imminent when individuals brandish their guns. Disrespectful women who mistakenly believe they are immune to criticism simply because of their gender. They adopt the same mindset as a select group of authoritarian figures who consider themselves privileged to voice complaints and criticize the Watchtower, much like apostates. However, these same people are outraged when others dare to critique them for their deceptions, misguided perspectives and interpretations. How sad the mind works on certain people.

First, the irony lies in his claim that he can design an oil refinery or a municipal water system in his mind while he can't seem to keep his head out of the toilet and mind out of the gutter. 😂
Anyone, regardless of intellect, can create something if they apply themselves. However, such endeavors may not contribute to one's spiritual growth. 
Here we have a situation where a person openly admits to being rude and obnoxious, and others seem to accept it. But when someone stands up for themselves against these individuals, they are not accepted. It is concerning that this kind of behavior is not only tolerated but even celebrated.
Be cautious, as it seems that a ban is imminent when individuals brandish their guns. Disrespectful women who mistakenly believe they are immune to criticism simply because of their gender. They adopt the same mindset as a select group of authoritarian figures who consider themselves privileged to voice complaints and criticize the Watchtower, much like apostates. However, these same people are outraged when others dare to critique them for their deceptions, misguided perspectives and interpretations. How sad the mind works on certain people.

It's quite the role reversal, Pudgy. Now you're the victim instead of the villain. It seems you think just like them, and that's the issue here. When one person chooses to remain ignorant, others will often follow in their footsteps, perpetuating a cycle of ignorance.

You know what I noticed about your whiney rant about nobody liking you George88?
Not a single specific example to back up your claims that everyone is scum … except you.

On the plus side, you have managed for several weeks without that delightful jingle from the 1-877-KARS-4-KIDS commercial stuck in your head on repeat. 
Way to go! Keep that streak going! Every time you think of it, you think of me! 
Reports confirmed that you were able to get the song out of your head approximately 4 weeks ago. You are now living in the peaceful bliss of not hearing "1-877-KARS-4-KIDS, K-A-R-S Kars for Kids, 1-877-KARS-4-KIDS, donate your car today!" bouncing around in your mind over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
I adapted this from the “Babylon Bee”, so every time you talk about 607 BC, you will think of ME!, and of course "1-877-KARS-4-KIDS, K-A-R-S Kars for Kids, 1-877-KARS-4-KIDS, donate your car today!"
BROUHAHAHAhahaahaa!

You are clearly an immature person, Anna, seeking to ban others like you have done in the past. Your behavior reflects poorly on you. So, crawl back in your hole the closed club with the right of the fake witnesses.
Why are you condoning their insults and profanity? Have you even heard of a nob? Educate yourself! And to think, Tom, Xero, Pudgy, Pete started the fights and yet you have the audacity to call me immature. There's a limit to delusion, you know.

It’s as if Jesus himself is speaking. What about carpenters? Is your opinion the same for them? 

Your opinion means absolutely nothing, especially coming from someone like you. I suggest focusing on obtaining a reputable education. It might help you realize that you're not as unintelligent as you seem to believe. Though perhaps you can persuade yourself, in my eyes, you will always be insignificant.
As I have more important matters to attend to than engaging with an immature troublemaker turned deviant, I will leave you to your own devices. Let me know when you want to revert to what 77 years now behaving like a 2-year-old, how pathetic.

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Since I'm referring to someone who behaves childishly, let me point out that Jesus exhibited far more maturity as a carpenter than any of you combined. It was James who made the comparison about how people might interpret what I'm saying, and even someone considered less than average in your eyes can attain spiritual maturity, although your behavior proves the opposite. Therefore, the childish comment about being roasted is less relevant than immature remarks.
Also, what was Tom's pathetic remark about scholars as a book hack "reflecting poor scholarship and intellectual deterioration"
Pudgy: "Georgie, You assume that everybody but you is stupid, and are ignorant fools, so naturally you would not see it."
There is yet another ignorant individual in this closed club who dares to insult scholars, despite lacking the necessary education. And yet, they shamelessly boast about it. I find it baffling that you foolish people continue to engage in a pointless argument with me, instead of condemning other people and yourself. It is clear to me that you are all immature and lacking in wisdom. Tom attempted to reprimand me for not behaving like a witness, but the truth is that it is you who are failing to act as witnesses by not recognizing your own role in perpetuating conflict and discord.
What is the experience like of being a Pharisee? By assuming this role, you have essentially placed yourself in opposition to being a Nazirite.
That suggests that you may have some mental concerns, and it would be advisable to seek professional evaluation.
I can only deduce from your arguments that you simply prove your own ignorance. It is rather ironic how you unknowingly contradict yourself.
Even though Tom has made the outrageous claim that I am leading a double life, it is actually him who is living a double life as an apostate. If Tom truly believes that the Elders are aware of what is happening here, as he implies, then he should have the courage to inform them that he is defending a disfellowshipped pervert here in the name of Christian love. Let's see how they respond to that. It is this lack of critical thinking that truly characterizes people like Tom as ignorant individuals.
Did Jesus have contact with Judas after his resurrection? Before making misguided comparisons about Jesus as a carpenter, one should first seek to understand scripture. Doing so will prevent you from looking more foolish. So, let's not start being blasphemers as well, witnesses, what a joke.
Remember, you are proud of defending a disfellowshipped pervert. Would the Watchtower commend you or condemn you for showing your Christian love to such a deviant, especially an unrepentant one, when scripture won't?
You lack secular and scriptural expertise. Why should people find your nonsense and apostasy as Jehovah's Witnesses credible when you are nothing more than pathetic individuals pretending to be one? Learn to tell the differences in arguments between secular education and biblical education that you people seem to confuse with your fights. Grow Up!
Xero, it would be like you blaming me because you can't figure out Nineveh 612 BC, when the clueless one is you.

James, that's not the main focus. We will all pass away before the arrival of judgment day, unless we're around 100 years old. Your repentance is what truly matters. Appreciate your soul and learn to love it as much as God loves all of his creations. Don't let pride, anger, or hate deter you from the path of everlasting life. Make the right choice, despite the misleading guidance from your own mind.

I strongly believe that we should not be false prophets. Instead, we should extend a sincere invitation to those who are willing to repent. Where do you and he stand on that? Perhaps the one that fails to understand the new light is yourself.
What truly constitutes genuine repentance when one speaks against the Watchtower organization and biblical truths? Why are you putting in so much effort to portray him as a martyr when he clearly is not one. You're persistently trying to make a sale, even though there are no interested buyers and everyone can clearly see through your deceitful act.
That's what he and the liars keep insisting. How much can honest people truly accept? You are currently tailoring your performance specifically for the exclusive audience within the closed club.
That is why your final comment to James exposes you and JWI as hypocrites as the Admin and Librarian, just like the Pharisees. That's not a good thing. 🤣

I was inspired by that Christmas song nonsense.
Rather than getting involved in fruitless arguments with someone determined to disrupt and spread hate towards me and the Watchtower, I have made the choice to present the essential questions that I believe should be asked to apostates and disfellowshipped individuals.
It's not worth investing time in someone who is dealing with mental illness. Now, for others that have sense enough:
Proverbs 26:11-13 English Standard Version
11 Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. 12 Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. 13 The sluggard says, “There is a lion in the road! There is a lion in the streets!”
Will the unrepentant inherit the earth? God demands repentance from his creation. What drives people to believe they are superior and go against God with their words and actions? This behavior is damaging to the soul, leading to unrighteousness and ultimately to personal downfall.
The core of this fundamental truth lies in the eternal question of good versus evil, righteousness versus unrighteousness. The distinction between becoming a bearer of truth and a dissenter of truth is crucial. How can one truly discern the path of becoming a teacher of truth rather than falling into the trap of becoming a dissenter?
Biblically, there are only two paths that God has given that Christ mentioned. Matthew 7:13-14
What is the point of living a Christian life that is not in harmony with God's will?
This leads us to the judgment of conscience by Christ. Those who willfully understand their own actions and behavior will be judged as unrighteous according to God's laws. Those who have not come to know God or whose lives were cut short without knowing God's laws will be given the opportunity to know God through Christ in the resurrection, but not before.
There is no place on this Earth where the word of God is not being transmitted, in one form or another, by religious groups. Even in the most remote areas, indigenous people can witness the relentless efforts of Christian organizations who aim to connect with them, regardless of any objections they may have, in order to bridge cultural gaps.
Before the arrival of Judgment Day, everyone will come to understand God's purpose for humanity. Ignorance of God's purpose and truth will be non-existent. By then, we will all possess this knowledge. The only distinction will be that some individuals whose lives were prematurely ended by the actions of others have been spared from experiencing it firsthand.
So, what is the purpose of being a dissenter knowing what fate that awaits those individuals that cannot be changed? 
Romans 1:29-31 English Standard Version
29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
 

I read on another site that at least one Bethel insider is saying that the Governing Body is going to start allowing birthdays. They say the Watchtower hired a PR/rebranding firm and has a 10 year plan to roll back doctrine and policies to become more mainstream. They are supposedly 2 years into the 10 year plan. Birthdays next with blood to follow, becoming "conscious matters". 
Has anyone else heard this?

Naw … that doesn’t work. If he doesn’t get his demented preconceived answer he has a fit.

Somehow, I was certain that you would appear and manipulate individual words to convey agreement. You never fail to deliver.
How can you convince a rational individual that the words spoken by the father of deception can be truthful without Satan resorting to trickery? How can you effectively challenge the teachings of Christ, a contradiction that is necessary to gain acceptance from your specific audience?
Take control of the ball as it now rests on your side of the court.
By the way, I'd like to share an example from John 8:44 that I find intriguing. There's a particular phrase that caught my attention: "for there is no truth in him." So, question the teachings of Christ. Recall the advice that Jesus gave to Satan to assist you.

If you can't recall the passage @Srecko Sostar, it can be found in Matthew 4. The question arises, did Jesus comprehend that Satan was speaking lies or was he deceiving Jesus with a partial truth? One would assume that people would understand that the Earth and all of its kingdoms ultimately belong to God. Satan is merely the current caretaker. Therefore, could he truly give away something that he only has temporary possession of? Furthermore, if Jesus had accepted ownership of something that did not belong to Satan in the first place, what would have been the outcome for both Christ and Satan in the eyes of God? It's a matter worth considering. Think about it carefully and don't focus on your puppet master pudgy.

Your reading comprehension skills approach ZERO.
I did not ask you a question
They were rhetorical.
The “NO” answer, provided by me establishes that.

What makes it any different to you? It's like asking if Satan, the father of all lies, is capable of telling the truth. You're looking at wording rather than action. Humanity was granted a capacity or ability by Satan, which is now resulting in a consequence. However, how can we ignore this fact in order to justify its rationality?

Do you think that if the angels were aware of Satan's intentions to deceive mankind in the Garden of Eden, they would not have raised an alarm?
From the very moment Satan made the choice to deceive Eve, he began a path of constant deception. What sets this apart from the previously asked question? It essentially boils down to the same matter.