James Thomas Rook Jr.
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Hundreds of child abuse payments held up
James Thomas Rook Jr. replied to Isabella's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
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Arauna: You misapply what I am saying in every way. I am not saying that warfare is acceptable for Christians .... I am saying that to the best of my knowledge ... warfare is NOT considered by God to be murder. That is my best guess looking at how Jehovah has acted, what He has done, and what He has said about BOTH types of homicide. There are irrefutable facts, that can be directly observed. What I am trying to codify, and correctly understand ...is NOT what ... that can be clearly seen ... what I want to know is ... WHY? I want to Grok.
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Hundreds of child abuse payments held up
James Thomas Rook Jr. replied to Isabella's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
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Apparently you do not understand Scripture enough to FIND ONE that states whether or not Jehovah specifically views warfare as murder, or not. remember the original question I posed? "WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?" Try THIS principle on for size: Jehovah engages in warfare. If I am right, Jehovah is NOT a murderer. If you are right, Jehovah IS a murderer.
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Redbox debuts a free, ad-backed live TV service.
James Thomas Rook Jr. replied to TheWorldNewsOrg's topic in Topics
Micky has another dog friend that walks, talks, wears clothes, and white gloves ....... what's with that? That's just Goofy!
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CC: HINT: It's a YES, or NO answer ... followed by a SPECIFIC Scriptural reference, not a "Buzz Scripture", or a nebulous collection of "Buzz Scriptures", and somewhat related, but not to the point ideas. Comment: I agree Jehovah never murdered anyone ... but He HAS PARTICIPATED IN WARFARE; Either you get it ...or you don't. Apparently .... you don't. Test Score: ZERO
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Redbox debuts a free, ad-backed live TV service.
James Thomas Rook Jr. replied to TheWorldNewsOrg's topic in Topics
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I disagree with you CC , because if warfare is murder ... then Jehovah sanctioned murder in the wars the Jews fought, and at Armageddon will murder those executed, making Him a murderer. You can't have it both ways. Might you happen to have a clear and unambiguous Scripture that supports your cultural tradition based personal opinion? I mean ... one that specifically states, one way or the other that Jehovah does ... or does not ... consider warfare to be the moral equivalent of murder? HINT: It's a YES, or NO answer ... followed by a SPECIFIC Scriptural reference, not a "Buzz Scripture", or a nebulous collection of "Buzz Scriptures".
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4J: Although I try to live my life according to Bible Standards, I am a Barbarian at heart. When I get a sheet of bubble wrap packed with something I ordered, I will pop the plastic bubbles one at a time, visualizing with a big grin Snowflakes, Progressives, and Liberals, and "spiritual" peoples' heads exploding, trying to understand the REAL world. Entertainment is where you find it!
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In the Fifth Grade, I was 12 years old .... and Mrs. Thoms used to read stories to our class, which I remembered as "Arthur, the Vacillating Rat" (first he goes this way ... then he goes that .. poor Arthur could never make up his mind.") The English are somewhat like that ... If the Nazis had marched in backwards to merry old England, they might have thought they were leaving. If someone MERELY steals, or destroys your home and resources ... you may DIE of starvation, hardship, exposure and disease. They are MERELY killing you more slowly.
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OK ....so the World ignored those experts ..... too. That's three blind pigs.
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So, JJJ.... um ... what was predicted in 2014 that did not happen, and what is SUPPOSED to happen that "we" predicted to happen in 2033? I musta been asleep about those two.
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"According to many experts"? What does THAT mean? WHO in particular? What are they experts OF? What exactly makes these anonymous people experts? The "People of the World" were what? .... about 7 Billion back in 2005? How many copies of the Awake! actually got into the hands of 7 billion people, who ACTUALLY READ THEM, and even then ... WHAT COULD THEY HAVE DONE ABOUT IT?? .... my guess is nothing whatsoever. It's like me ... if I heard that Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, carrying 100 megaton yield Hydrogen Bombs MIGHT hit my home town someday in the future, as we have been 70 years and more since the World was engaged in an atomic (albeit one sided) war. What could I do about it? NOTHING !!!! Disregarding the publications TOTAL lack of credibility in foreseeing the future, even a blind pig, once in a great while, will find SOMETHING to eat..
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If he makes it into the new system, that means your friend is resisting the direct will, and trust of Jehovah God, whose Son's decision it was for that person to be there. Besides .... the conclusion reached is based on general cluelessness.
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Did you mean to say "WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God NOT consider warfare .... murder?". If so, I think it is more like ... Jehovah has placed the Nations in their relative positions, to execute judgement against wrongdoers , and protect us from Anarchy, which would be worse than even the Nazis (as the classic bad example) at their worst ... and allowed each political entity to run their affairs as they see fit ( temporarily), and it would be hypocritical to view their permitted activities, be it internal affairs, or how they treat their their external enemies, however perceived, and for whatever reason, as reprehensible to the extent of being classified as murder. The people of the Nations are particularly nasty, and complex, and do not respond well as a general rule to reasonableness. He has allowed it .... and specifically, so it may be as a protection for us .... AND THEM. This is the essence, although somewhat simplistic. I can not find any evidence that this reasonable approach is NOT Jehovah's God viewpoint. ..... AND MORE TO THE SPECIFIC POINT ... I cannot find any evidence that Jehovah God considers warfare between secular nations .... the same way that he considers murder. None, whatsoever.
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Let's try looking at this the way I intended: "Why doesn't Jehovah God not consider warfare between Nations, tribes and sovereign States, etc .... murder?"
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I do not wonder at all. WE SHOULD !!! ( ... speaking as one who refused any blood or fractions during recent heart surgeries ...)
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Arauna, and TTH : It is a very simple, carefully crafted question to isolate one specific principle, from the full spectrum of high volume noise that surrounds this issue. Most people think the Ten Commandments say "Thou shalt not kill." .... and it doesn't. I says "Thou shalt not MURDER" There is a very real difference between one, and the other ... just as there is a very real difference between your personal culpability if you accidentally hit a child on a bicycle while driving, and kill them .... and if you drive up onto the sidewalk, and deliberately kill the same child. There are cases when killing IS ACCEPTABLE, should you choose to exercise your natural right of self defense, that all living things have as a natural right, and if you choose to do so, and are able to manage overcoming your adversary with deadly force ... there is absolutely no blood guilt incurred. That is just one of perhaps several examples. Understanding WHY one is allowable by God, and not the other ... is the KEY to understanding everything about the issue of blood guilt, or NO blood guilt, in every example that would come up in life. It may remind you of a satanically inspired question where there is only a binary choice, like "Do you STILL beat your wife", but it is not. My ex-mother-in-law may remind me of a Shrew, but she is not. It is a question that when correctly answered, will give a complete understanding of our obligations toward God, what ever that might be, in a world where life and death is a daily concern. There is a difference between KNOWING something ( which may be flat wrong) and UNDERSTANDING something, and it all depends on being able to correctly discern the actual, really true answer the question about any subject you could put forward, and that is .... WHY?
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Jehovah views warfare as homicide ... he does NOT consider it murder ... and nothing you have posted shows that he does consider warfare the same as murder. Nothing at all. Interesting scriptures about all kinds of aspects to warfare, and the eventual OUTLAWING it, from God's viewpoint ... but NOTHING that shows Jehovah considers warfare to be murder. Apparently you do NOT know the difference between homicide ... and murder .... and have ONLY your opinion to offer. That is all. Nothing more. You have NOT offered a clear and unambiguous scripture to support your position ... BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ANY.. Until you understand the difference ... you will NEVER be able to answer the ONLY thing I am interested in .. which is ... WHY?
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When you make up stuff out of thin air ... there is no limit to the error that seems natural to you. You failed the simple "two question test". The Universe will give you your grades ... without compassion or mercy.
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Years ago, My three adult children were at the house with many of their friends, playing poker, telling jokes, and drinking beer at my long dining room table, and as I walked by, my second son asked "Hey Dad ... would you like a beer?" I stopped and asked what kind they had. There had all kinds of German and other imported beers, and of course Coors, and names I had never heard of ... and I replied "No Thanks ... my favorite beer is Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer." The general reaction was "Ewwwww", and this embarrassed both of my sons, like their father was a barefoot hillbilly with a speech impediment and soiled clothes, or something. Then I mentioned "You know .... Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer is Clint Eastwood's favorite beer." It was interesting to watch their faces as their minds grasped that, and their opinions changed instantly! ... There is NOBODY more Cool ... than Clint Eastwood.
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I used to have a portable 1 watt handheld blue laser (until I dropped it on the concrete), I could sit on my front porch and cut a swath through a cloud of gnats swarming out in the street, under some trees.. The best thing to kill viruses, to which they have NO immunity, is a block of wood, and a hammer.
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James Thomas Rook Jr. replied to TheWorldNewsOrg's topic in Topics
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4J; There is a very simple way to determine whether or not your statement is true .. or is just a cultural tradition that the unexamined mind believes to be true ... but is not. 1.) Show me a clear and unambiguous Scripture, anywhere in the Bible where God considers warfare to be the same as premeditated murder, or 2. Show me a clear and unambiguous Scripture, anywhere in the Bible, where the homicides in warfare are treated by God with the same response that is called out for premeditated murder.. If you cannot do that ... then what you know to be true in your heart, and down to your very bones to be true, is nothing but cultural acclamation, which became a part of your personality because of unexamined thinking. ...that .... is a euphemism for "fantasy". ... of no more value than KNOWING that Kryptonite will kill Superman, another cultural fantasy.
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I can always depend on you to prove, in your own words, John, my conjectures.
