Arauna

Read up what the scientific method is......that is - if they have not changed the definition by now.... because universities make money out of the true science and patents. They change history to please themselves and change science to please themselves etc.. What is going on in the world right now - is not science. Humankind has regressed,,, not gone forward, They keep the best science for themselves so they can weaponize it.... and feed the junk to the masses....

That is what evolution is - it is not a science based on irrefutable evidence but interpretations.

People who are inclined to make inquisitions out of anything except the right thing. That is part of being imperfect.

Yes we do - now - in Western societies. Go to Afrika and they will call your grandfather your father and similar to women... so to get so technical is unnecessary - just to make some point. Extended family such as aunts is also called mother.....

Lol - you know I meant years!

Cain and his brother Abel were the first of a number of children born to Eve. (Genesis 4:1, 2) When Cain was banished for killing his brother, he complained: “Anyone who finds me will certainly kill me.” (Genesis 4:14) Of whom was Cain afraid? The Bible says that Adam “became father to sons and daughters.” (Genesis 5:4) Evidently, these other descendants of Adam and Eve could have posed a threat to Cain. Math is interesting but "exponential" math even more interesting. How a few people within 150 years can become a nation. This is what happened in the country I come from. South Africa grew into a massive nation within 150 years. If one thinks that is a girl is ready at 15 to have children and those children within a few years can grow to a large group. The insight book actually demonstrates exponential math: If 20 billion people ever lived on the earth and Jehovah decides to give each one of them a resurrection..... He resurrects a number of people who can be taught by those on earth who lived through Armageddon. and then after 33 years, he resurrects a new lot........to be taught by the original number and those who were educated to obey Jehovah...... How many ears will it take to resurrect the whole 20 billion? 500 years. This also applies to the number of people and animals after the flood, as well as to the children of Adam.

True - they equate science with truth.... but they forget that IMPERFECT humans are making the assumptions these theories are based upon. Most of them are theory upon theory but the conclusions are defective because the premise is inaccurate. Mathematics is also a language to express things which cannot be said in verbal language. Does it mean that every equation is truth / reality? NO. Much of science is unproven and only theory. Any scientist that tells you that they know it all, is a liar. Where did the energy in our universe, and the energy within the matter come from? - is still not proven! Jehovah is the source of all dynamic energy and his intelligence organized the matter and the natural laws we see in nature. Most of the "scientific" methods" in evolution are the highly imaginative imaginations of illustrators and scientists. The scientific methods is: to repeat an experiment to get the same results - this does NOT apply to the theory of evolution. To do that you have to be able to go back in time. When ones DOES go back in time and look at the EVIDENCE in the fossils - one sees that the theory does not line up with the REALITIES in the fossil record and the Geological record. Therefore the GB use science which has been through the true scientific method. This is why I call evolution a quasi-science...... pseudo science, a cult or a religion... or something to that effect. The universe came into being very long ago - and the earth was part of that. Afterward, at the right time, the earth was prepared for humans to live on. That is why ALL the days of creation is spoken of in the bible as one DAY. It is not a 24 hour day. Science teaches that all mass is energy. How can we be sure? Well, burn a planet, a human, and animal or a house - it releases energy or heat. For Jehovah to create the universe he organized his energy to create mass out of his energy. There was nothing and then there was creation because energy was used. Time and 3 dimensional space came into being in our physical universe which has mass. Jehovah is timeless and has no mass. He himself says so! How is that for accuracy of science! Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom....

Yes. I can....... the flood was a catastrophic event with the earth ripping open (under the sea) to expose the underground water and even lava coming up. The sea pushed up and created tsunamis which rolled forward and later retracted. If you look at the land mass of North America and the situation of the mass graves, you will find that most of the animals are in two very long graves (trenches) which are hundreds miles long. This was when the water pushed whole ecosystems into gullies. These animals are often twisted into positions which indicate a mass extinction event..... (scientists try to show it is a meteor).... but a meteor does not deposit large animals into a long gully hundreds of miles long -water does. They found a kind of bark in much of the coal. This was made by trees floating on water, rolling against each other and loosing its bark.....the bark floats down to the bottom of the water where there is little oxygen and the heavy pressure of the water does its work. Coal forms in conditions with much pressure. Carrying a pail of water tells one how heavy water is. The flood was a year long... so floating things get water logged ad sink. If animals were lying out in the open for thousands of years waiting for layers of ground to cover them - would the majority of them not be partially eaten by other carnivorous birds or carrion feeders who in the meantime proliferate? On the other hand we see that birds no longer had a place to fly to and also succumbed to the prevailing conditions. (when evolutionists find one single bone with teeth marks on it, it becomes major news. LOL ... and the proven 'fact' of evolution once again receives its propaganda. Most of the deposits of fossils have adult animals with very few babies with them. This also indicates an event where animals were running to higher ground or a place of safety and were caught up with. What about the mountainous deposits which have layers of earth with sea shells in it. (the layers of the grand canyon is a good example). layer upon layer was quickly formed due to the weigh of the water. The evidence is overwhelming for a catastrophic flood. Evolutionists do not speak of the deposits that have contemporary animals with them... I have read of a pit with contemporary animals and prehistoric animals together..... There are many anomalies in the evolution theory that can easily be explained if one explains it as a catastrophic flood.

You have so many theories that do not make sense because the premise is wrong: Jehovah did not need to use evolution to create (which according to theory happened all by chance with no purpose); and as you know the number of years is the main part of the theory to get evolution to work (yet 5 billion years could still not create one cell), s o they came up with multiple universes to increase the "chances" of life emerging; and the argon test and carbon 14 test has too many adjustments to the calculations - flaws. Fossils are not as old as they say - because they now find blood vessels and collagen in the fossilized bones (repeated experiments). This does not get much publicity- only the theories they dub "facts" gets much publicity due to scientism being the new world religion - replacing our creator. DNA evidence is emerging which indicates that one can calculate the number of generations through the number of mutations per generation. Human life goes back to 3 branches (on the mitochondrial DNA which comes from the mother)...... after the flood. They are even writing papers on this now...... but it does not get much publicity. One male DNA line for male chromosome.

You are going back into your usual subconscious MO ! The Hate OCD seems to be your comfort zone!

I bet you know all about that and judge all according to your own preferences........ maybe you have something in your closet - that is why you so easily talk about it and push the idea.....

You worked yourself out of that very nicely... .......total collectivism is never good .... the individual will and choice is always supreme and a willing sacrifice in every situation .....not total abstinence of the group..... just as absolute subjugation to the group is not acceptable. One thing that jehovah values is our willing choice in every situation.... a choice to submit to his moral values.

if he was an intellectual we could respect, I would accept that reasoning....... so I do not. But the excerpt sounds a bit more socialist communist to me, where individuality is lost in the collective. Jehovah wants us to keep our individuality but learn to temper it around those who are not like us. It is the loving thing to do. Unfortunately, I also have a kind of break-out personality - like this weaponized virus!! I contain myself (because I am a bit over the top in my enthusiasm for everything), and then the Jack-in-the-box jumps out! I push it back in ... and then, when I am not vigilant - it pops up. We all have our failings. ......

I am not smart enough for you...... You baffle me!

Ditto - even if you are a smelly vulture.... lol. Seriously - you are adding to your own burdens /load. No need to go as far as to punish yourself. I knew a brother who did the same as you. He was also a character due to the fact that he grew up in an orphanage and (who knows) what happened to him there. He was never adopted. He learnt to only rely on the self... they are always awkward and do not generally fit in. They themselves always feel different. Children come out of these institutions with some unsociable traits such as quirky or extremely dark humor and an individuality which does not fit in. He was accepted back in the truth before he died. I do not always understand your humor But I have not experienced it to be nasty or deprecating. Sometimes only of the self! Why continually expose yourself to the truly nasty ones? Not worth it.

We want to discuss scripture and our peeves in peace without having hate-OCD change the new subject of hate for the GB in every thread...... that is why we want to get away from you. Your nastiness follows us wherever we go. Most of us were prepared to put up with you - and we all did that for a very long time.... but now I think we have just decided it has been enough...

I have no problem with spelling mistakes or other mistakes - I often do them myself. I do take some offense that you imply an intelligent "cunning" from me. But I do not want to argue with you about any of it. Not worth it.

We can actually have a good discussion there without the Hate-OCD remarks that are so meaningless because they are merely a repetition of the same old incoherent things over and over..

You forget that Jesus was accused of political sedition. We are at present being maneuvered into a similar situation. When we do not accept the new morals of the great reset - we will be accused and maligned as all kinds of things. The bible says that the true followers of Christ will be persecuted. We are not greater than our ruling King.. I have just been well trained by the GB literature to recognize bible prophecy when I see it. Fortunately, I do have somewhat of an interest in world events - NOT politics. You will not find me taking sides with any of the political wars or ideological divides going on at present. I just watch how these divides fulfill prophecy.

From what you said above, I see you did not understand at all what I was saying. You have a one-track mind and that is OCD-hate. I was talking about government propaganda. Can you explain your understanding of the bible verses I quoted? I am certain you have NO clue of its meaning. Well the "propaganda" that you hate is here. Soon the flour and oil will be so expensive you will not be able to afford it. Then you will think of the words of "propaganda" from the GB that you hate to much. I do feel sorry for you because I do not wish what is coming even on the worst of the enemies of Jehovah. But his has been predicted and now it is here! "I heard what sounded like a voice in the midst of the four living creatures say: “A quart* of wheat for a de·narʹi·us*k and three quarts of barley for a de·narʹi·us; and do not harm the olive oil and the wine.” Russia and Ukraine have not planted sunflowers for oil in April this year. Not only are they major exporters of wheat but also of oil.....

This is not a slight to you but I use it to raise a new thought: Has anyone noticed how the media disparages anyone who does good research and brings the truth to others? Wikipedia just writes the most liable things about people wherein the celebrity himself has no right to change anything..... even personal histories are changed. Far lefties are suddenly called far-righters or conspiracy theorists. The HIT-media is part of the world-wide retaliation-machine which has been put in place by the powers that rule the media at present; and any professor which displays a little common sense, is a statistical guru, or prized virologist/geneticist, is no longer worthy of being an academic. Their stellar careers get marked by very nasty black spots - especially if they lost their tenure at a university due to gender politics or by speaking out. Their successful career is maligned and the worth of the Nobel prizes etc. suddenly cancelled. Although this so-called truth-faction, coming from a wide political spectrum, are not all religious - they do try to dismantle the deceit and gaslighting going on throughout the world. Some of them are older (they do not have families in the home and can speak out), and know that they may be targeted and have also accepted this inevitability..... due to the totalitarian way of thinking which is tightening its stranglehold on the world. The orchestration of the false prophet and the wild beast seems to be world-wide and very efficient. Revelation 16: And I saw three unclean inspired expressions* that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty." This propaganda was prophesied. Propaganda definition: propaganda is the dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumors, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion. I may add that people may soon end up hurting themselves or even their loved ones when they are zealously following instructions via the propaganda. (Germany's government propaganda during ww2 is a good example of creating good zealots). While the reliable signs given by Jehovah are now going into fulfillment in the world (such as pestilences, untimely deaths, hunger soon to appear in great scope, King of the North, and the UN trying to get world-controlling documents drawn up and ratified); these signs are giving us an indication where we are in the stream of time (if we watch for them). The false prophet is also busy with his signs. The false prophet is leading us all mesmerized along with their lab-manufactured problems, massive fear-inducing propaganda, together with an unending list of solutions which have already been deliberated on by those who will soon become the 10 new kings together with the UN; constantly creating new diversions so that the populous cannot get time to think straight; and the atheist prophets of scientism can get their transhuman agenda into play. What I find fascinating, is the propaganda...... they are managing it extremely well through the appointed counter media or managed opposition - (algorithms watching every new trend or truth being discovered) - and writing new hit-news pieces with half-truths which debunk the lies with more half-lies. They use written and visual aids to great effect. Soon they will be able to cancel-kill all dissenting voices by cancelling all documents which expose the truth. The world will truly be in darkness then- Satan's darkness where no light of any truth will shine through. The implication of this is that people could be rounded up for prison or any other nefarious reason and media will be managed by the "state". No news of this will leak out or will be downplayed as "conspiracy"-theory. What the above definition does not say is that governments usually do the propaganda. In USA an amendment was passed in 2012 which allows propaganda by the federal government..... and since the end of last year, the government and the UN has appointed various media organizations to remove anything they deem mis-information. At present they are managing it, but here is the scary part: citizens which go against the LGBTQ agenda now taught in schools to very young children, their names are put on a 'terrorist' list. In fact, Governments have done propaganda just about forever because they have had the money and the cooperating educated class to do it. Jesus's death was instigated by a small group of ruling class people (Sanhedrin) who managed, by collusion or conspiracy, to arrest Jesus and sway public opinion ... they could even have planted a few agitators in the crowd as modern propagandists do. The "dragon's" propaganda has been excellent in its dividing of humans. The BLM movement, post-modern philosophy and the rewriting of history has filled many unsuspecting people with hate for others with a different color or worldview; the publicity about the fakeness of the bible and its historicity is everywhere; the book of Enoch and the anunnaki now has a large following which is basically a form of demon worship. The belief in aliens is skyrocketing .....due to the belief that the anunnaki were aliens; as is, the new religion of scientism and the idea that one can live forever in a computer algorithm.

You have your dark glasses on. Your black attitude give you away.

I suspect that they wanted you to have a longer time to think about your stance without having to take drastic measures. Often people act irrational and fast and end up having regrets later. This is why I said (above) that one must not always attribute bad motives to people. Yes, elders are just people and can act in self-interest. They do not want to make harsh decisions immediately concerning JW members who seem to be inconsistent or dissenting. But they know they have to act quickly when people are unnecessarily public. It is in the attitude: love hopes all things, believe all things.....endures all things........ it means to see the best in people and give the benefit of the doubt..... to give them time to reconsider..... I have seen all too often that people who are hyper-critical end up hurting themselves in a bad way - even those critical JWs who operate under the radar in a congregation. People can walk around with a permanent bad attitude..... they become like repelling magnets.

I used to know a JW who saw bad motives in everything others did. She was hyper-critical. It messed up her life.

I too have bored my family on vacation when I looked at the sewerage systems, baths, building materials, walking through the town and studying all the implements and hand tools and went through the sites with a tooth comb. I always had a penchant for understanding how the poor folks got through their day. Recently I listened to a talk by a professor (forgot his name) but he spoke about "empire". It made me think of the seven heads of the beast. What he said came down to this: empire was always a war machine which fed the rich and the ruling class. Soldiers would grab not only slaves but the wheat, food, animals and strip the land of all its riches. Everything was transported back to the capital city or became part of booty. Afterwards there was also the matter of tribute from the survivors....... Does modern empire work the same? Certainly.... especially the false prophet which has "two horns like a lamb but began speaking like dragon". All these trumped up wars come to mind. Listened today to two people talking about the time under Stalin. How the death squads within Russia murdered people via poisons and plausible suicides and also operated in other countries. One such killer in UK was tracked and he had already committed 14 murders without anyone suspecting foul play. The polonium case however did hit international news. Putin has similar operations today and was apparently involved in this type of operations in his salad days. Eight oligarchs, living in other countries, have died suddenly from non-suspect heart attacks, except for one family who were all brutally murdered, children included. The father was working as an accountant and had given information to the West on how money was being transferred through banks while renewed sanctions were in place.