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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I never said the Archives "are unknown to people."
    You said:  “If the publications were indeed concealed, why is it the Archives exist, which is actually known to JWs?” 
    My response:  JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    JWs in general are not aware of the Archive.org.  I personally didn’t know about it until a few back, and I was a JW for over 30 years.  I have been out of the organization since around 2013.  
    Get your facts straight.   The login leading to the history of all publications, that is accessible to only an elite few, who happen to be in Bethel, is on the jw website at the bottom of the page.  The average JW cannot use it.  It is a different login than the one provided at the top of the web page.  Thus, JWs cannot gain access to the history of publications that go back to the beginning of time, through the JW website!  They are limited on access to publications that go back to about 1950 through the "online library".  Even there, many articles are still unavailable on that "online library".  
    They are discouraged from using the Archive, as I pointed out with their own quote from a magazine.
     
    As I've said before, you can't trusted.  You are very guilty of twisting what a person says.  
    Done.  🙂
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I never said the Archives "are unknown to people."
    You said:  “If the publications were indeed concealed, why is it the Archives exist, which is actually known to JWs?” 
    My response:  JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    JWs in general are not aware of the Archive.org.  I personally didn’t know about it until a few back, and I was a JW for over 30 years.  I have been out of the organization since around 2013.  
    Get your facts straight.   The login leading to the history of all publications, that is accessible to only an elite few, who happen to be in Bethel, is on the jw website at the bottom of the page.  The average JW cannot use it.  It is a different login than the one provided at the top of the web page.  Thus, JWs cannot gain access to the history of publications that go back to the beginning of time, through the JW website!  They are limited on access to publications that go back to about 1950 through the "online library".  Even there, many articles are still unavailable on that "online library".  
    They are discouraged from using the Archive, as I pointed out with their own quote from a magazine.
     
    As I've said before, you can't trusted.  You are very guilty of twisting what a person says.  
    Done.  🙂
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    If that ex Betelit said something inaccurate, semi-accurate or dubious then we can all comment on it. What's the problem?
    Maybe he also comments in this video on something he interpreted in a way that can be disputed. And what now? Have your say and let others have their say.
    Sometimes (many times) I don’t have the time and will to listen and watch just about every ex-JW who makes a video about their life and the reasons for leaving WTJWorg. Many who make videos go unnoticed by me and I don’t even think to know what all they are saying and doing. Certainly some of them while talking about some topics say things that are their experience of the issue, and do not have to be completely accurate in every expression. 
    And now to comment on the introductory part of the video.
    I went to the JW Library for Croatia. The oldest publication of WT magazine dates back to 1981. The oldest is only one brochure from 1976. So I'm asking you now, how will a JW from Croatia find out what older publications wrote? And why would anyone have to know English so well to go to another JW library and find out more?
    In addition, the video moderator is right when he claims that JW should deal exclusively with WTJWorg publications in the JW library, which according to JW leaders is the safest and most accurate spiritual food for a true Christian, and should not be eaten from another "spiritual table".
    What is wrong with these claims of his?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Although in reality it IS just like any other organization, the Wt organization teaches that it belongs to God.  It is "spirit-directed" according to them, which means, "spirit breathed", or "inspired".  (Rev 13:15)   All decisions come from "Jehovah", "Jehovah's organization", and down to the uninspired GB.  When the nation of Israel was under God's direction, nothing was hidden from His nation.  His laws and instructions were clear, concise and taught to each member of Israel, as well as any foreigner who joined them.  
    he Wt compares itself to Moses leading God's people through the wilderness.  Since that comparison is made, then all of  Wt's history, their past publications said to be under the direction of God, should be open to every JW to learn from; not concealed as it is.   
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  
    "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
    Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses.  What have your leaders proven?  That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? 
    "Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit."  Matt 7:19,20
    This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  
    "One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered."  Prov 10:9
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Okay, dear man, so it's just me reading your comments and no one else?
    Please provide some fact and evidence that i am only one who read your comments.  
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Because of those people who read your frequent comments on the "Glasgow" video. The video is not problematic and is not misleading. My interpretation of what the journalist said in that video was wrong. Let me understand for once SM :))) Do you want me to beg you every week on my knees for mercy :))))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Since all people are “imperfect,” then one could say that some BSs probably also had racist feelings thanks to their American culture, heritage, and social environment.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    No, i can't. On the other hand, I don’t even need to confirm things that belong to the behaviors of the human species. The behavior of the human species in general confirms that these and many other things burden human relationships.
    Also, JW publications and other verbal topics that can be heard at JW meetings confirm that some JW members have trouble overcoming negative feelings towards others. Among other things, these are national and racial and social differences that create divisions within some assemblies.
    I come from a region and a time when people of many nationalities of the former Yugoslavia belonged to the same assemblies. I also visited the so-called "Yugoslav" assemblies outside the SFRY (Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), which had great tensions after the break-up of Yugoslavia in 1991. So I kind of know what I'm talking about.
    If this was the case in this part of Europe, why would racial and segregation issues not have a greater impact on the lives of JW assemblies in America? And not only in the "period of segregation" in the years mentioned in the comments, but also today?
    Proof? Do some scientific research and you will get official data. Which will be able to be challenged because some will not want to believe in them.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    SM has a special mill that requires water to go uphill so it can run.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    For a man who demands facts, you use a lot of "bias" opinions.  
    Again and for the last time, I did not post the video because of the racial aspect, but to show JWs that a separate login is available for a select few, providing access the database of Wt. publications.   If you don't think this is "news" to JWs, then read the comments under the video to see the reaction of those people who are, or once was, a JW.
     
     It looks to me that you are quite guilty of applying this yourself. 
    This coverup is intentional by the Wt., to lock away their faulty teachings from the public and from the general population of JWs, which shows the necessary hiding of their sins.  This was my focus.  I have nothing to repent because of it.  
    The GB are modern day Pharisees, cleaning the outside of the cup - the face of their website that the population sees -  but inside, are full of "greed and evil".  (Luke 11:39)  The history of the publications shows them as false prophets, false teachers, prophesying/teaching "delusions of their own mind".  Jer 23:26 
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    No.  I chose the one I cared to answer.  You have such a habit of ordering people around.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I'M still a member of that forum.  So?  I already told you it is accessed from the blog.  Where's the deception?  It hasn't been used for how long?  Check and see.  No "revisions" or "adjustments" have been made, as the Wt is so adept at doing.  
    Care to end your false presentation?  My goodness.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    This was posted by a JW, for JWs:
    To My Beloved Brothers and Sisters. New Light is here!
    I wanted to share something quite profound with you, penned by our own founder and published in the Watchtower before it was called "The Watchtower". He was so right about this point! I've included the first paragraph for context, but I would really like your opinions on the second paragraph especially. I tried to pick points that would warrant highlighting, but I found that the whole paragraph would then be colored and it would be moot. The whole thing is important, then as it is now and will be into the future. This is the truth about New Light. Much peace and love to you all.
    1881 Zion's Watch Tower https://archive.org/details/1881ZionsWatchTower/page/n49/mode/2up
    The above source is an archive site, a safe and public library featuring much of the last century's print works, free of charge. It includes much of our old publications, even well beyond what we can access through JW.ORG What a treasure trove, don't you think?
    Obviously, the intention here is to help his brothers and sisters use some critical thinking skills. But, If every JW knew about the Archive, why would this JW NEED to assure his brothers and sister that it was available...and that it is safe?  This is the same man who was surprised at finding out that there is an inaccessible database already on the JW website.  Still, many will not go to the Archive out of fear.  I've been there, I've been in that situation.  You haven't been a JW to understand this.  Why can't you just accept it?  I presented the video with no written personal opinion.  I posted it for anyone to see and form their own opinion.  They can accept it as fact, or reject it.  You, on the other hand, pick it apart and blame me for what you find is inaccurate...as if I was the one who produced it. 
      
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    This was posted by a JW, for JWs:
    To My Beloved Brothers and Sisters. New Light is here!
    I wanted to share something quite profound with you, penned by our own founder and published in the Watchtower before it was called "The Watchtower". He was so right about this point! I've included the first paragraph for context, but I would really like your opinions on the second paragraph especially. I tried to pick points that would warrant highlighting, but I found that the whole paragraph would then be colored and it would be moot. The whole thing is important, then as it is now and will be into the future. This is the truth about New Light. Much peace and love to you all.
    1881 Zion's Watch Tower https://archive.org/details/1881ZionsWatchTower/page/n49/mode/2up
    The above source is an archive site, a safe and public library featuring much of the last century's print works, free of charge. It includes much of our old publications, even well beyond what we can access through JW.ORG What a treasure trove, don't you think?
    Obviously, the intention here is to help his brothers and sisters use some critical thinking skills. But, If every JW knew about the Archive, why would this JW NEED to assure his brothers and sister that it was available...and that it is safe?  This is the same man who was surprised at finding out that there is an inaccessible database already on the JW website.  Still, many will not go to the Archive out of fear.  I've been there, I've been in that situation.  You haven't been a JW to understand this.  Why can't you just accept it?  I presented the video with no written personal opinion.  I posted it for anyone to see and form their own opinion.  They can accept it as fact, or reject it.  You, on the other hand, pick it apart and blame me for what you find is inaccurate...as if I was the one who produced it. 
      
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Because you were never a JW, you don't know how the JW mind works.  I am sorry, but you don't "know" everything, SM.
    "Downloading our publications from anywhere but jw.org is potentially dangerous. Jehovah has entrusted the responsibility of providing spiritual food to “the faithful and discreet slave” alone. (Matt 24:45) That “slave” uses only its official websites to publish spiritual food—www.jw.org, tv.jw.org, and wol.jw.org. And we have only three official apps for mobile devices—JW Language®, JW Library®, and JW Library Sign Language®. We can trust these products to be free of advertisements or contamination by Satan’s world. If the spiritual food passes through other channels, there is no guarantee that it has not been altered or contaminated.—Ps. 18:26;19:8.   w18 April p. 30-31
    The average, faithful JW will take this to heart and avoid what the internet has to offer for researching their publications. With this in mind, and the restricted food available to JWs on the website, the past publications that go beyond what they can access in "their" online library, are concealed.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Although in reality it IS just like any other organization, the Wt organization teaches that it belongs to God.  It is "spirit-directed" according to them, which means, "spirit breathed", or "inspired".  (Rev 13:15)   All decisions come from "Jehovah", "Jehovah's organization", and down to the uninspired GB.  When the nation of Israel was under God's direction, nothing was hidden from His nation.  His laws and instructions were clear, concise and taught to each member of Israel, as well as any foreigner who joined them.  
    he Wt compares itself to Moses leading God's people through the wilderness.  Since that comparison is made, then all of  Wt's history, their past publications said to be under the direction of God, should be open to every JW to learn from; not concealed as it is.   
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Sounds like an opinion to me.  Where are the facts to support this?  Have you talked with him personally?  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    If this bothers you that I have expressed my opinion of confidence in what the video reveals about concealment of publications, then perhaps it should be you that should do "legitimate research".  
    Obviously, I touched a nerve, but thank you for explaining.  It must be admitted that the regular joe would question your choice.  
    I know you took great pains to write out all that you did on racism, but this isn't why I posted the video.  The primary reason is concealment of Wt's history of publications, from the general JW.  
    Regarding a secret database, this is one JW's opinion when watching the video:
    "Will you just look at that. How strange that we would make it so difficult to read our past writings. Wow. This reminds me so much of Scientology. You are only allowed certain information once you are deep enough into confidence."
    Get the facts.  Start asking every JW you know if they realize there is a database of every publication the Wt has published, and is available only to a chosen few, on the website. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    No.  I chose the one I cared to answer.  You have such a habit of ordering people around.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    JWs in general?  NO!!  They don't all know about it!  They blindly follow their leaders advice to stay away from anything that is not approved by the GB!  
    This was posted by a JW, for JWs:
    To My Beloved Brothers and Sisters. New Light is here!
    I wanted to share something quite profound with you, penned by our own founder and published in the Watchtower before it was called "The Watchtower". He was so right about this point! I've included the first paragraph for context, but I would really like your opinions on the second paragraph especially. I tried to pick points that would warrant highlighting, but I found that the whole paragraph would then be colored and it would be moot. The whole thing is important, then as it is now and will be into the future. This is the truth about New Light. Much peace and love to you all.
    1881 Zion's Watch Tower https://archive.org/details/1881ZionsWatchTower/page/n49/mode/2up
    The above source is an archive site, a safe and public library featuring much of the last century's print works, free of charge. It includes much of our old publications, even well beyond what we can access through JW.ORG What a treasure trove, don't you think?
    Obviously, the intention here is to help his brothers and sisters use some critical thinking skills. But, If every JW knew about the Archive, why would this JW NEED to assure his brothers and sister that it was available...and that it is safe?  This is the same man who was surprised at finding out that there is an inaccessible database already on the JW website.  Still, many will not go to the Archive out of fear.  I've been there, I've been in that situation.  You haven't been a JW to understand this.  Why can't you just accept it?  I presented the video with no written personal opinion.  I posted it for anyone to see and form their own opinion.  They can accept it as fact, or reject it.  You, on the other hand, pick it apart and blame me for what you find is inaccurate...as if I was the one who produced it. 
      
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Although in reality it IS just like any other organization, the Wt organization teaches that it belongs to God.  It is "spirit-directed" according to them, which means, "spirit breathed", or "inspired".  (Rev 13:15)   All decisions come from "Jehovah", "Jehovah's organization", and down to the uninspired GB.  When the nation of Israel was under God's direction, nothing was hidden from His nation.  His laws and instructions were clear, concise and taught to each member of Israel, as well as any foreigner who joined them.  
    he Wt compares itself to Moses leading God's people through the wilderness.  Since that comparison is made, then all of  Wt's history, their past publications said to be under the direction of God, should be open to every JW to learn from; not concealed as it is.   
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    If this bothers you that I have expressed my opinion of confidence in what the video reveals about concealment of publications, then perhaps it should be you that should do "legitimate research".  
    Obviously, I touched a nerve, but thank you for explaining.  It must be admitted that the regular joe would question your choice.  
    I know you took great pains to write out all that you did on racism, but this isn't why I posted the video.  The primary reason is concealment of Wt's history of publications, from the general JW.  
    Regarding a secret database, this is one JW's opinion when watching the video:
    "Will you just look at that. How strange that we would make it so difficult to read our past writings. Wow. This reminds me so much of Scientology. You are only allowed certain information once you are deep enough into confidence."
    Get the facts.  Start asking every JW you know if they realize there is a database of every publication the Wt has published, and is available only to a chosen few, on the website. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    If this bothers you that I have expressed my opinion of confidence in what the video reveals about concealment of publications, then perhaps it should be you that should do "legitimate research".  
    Obviously, I touched a nerve, but thank you for explaining.  It must be admitted that the regular joe would question your choice.  
    I know you took great pains to write out all that you did on racism, but this isn't why I posted the video.  The primary reason is concealment of Wt's history of publications, from the general JW.  
    Regarding a secret database, this is one JW's opinion when watching the video:
    "Will you just look at that. How strange that we would make it so difficult to read our past writings. Wow. This reminds me so much of Scientology. You are only allowed certain information once you are deep enough into confidence."
    Get the facts.  Start asking every JW you know if they realize there is a database of every publication the Wt has published, and is available only to a chosen few, on the website. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Who was the majority that persecuted Christ for speaking truth?   Christ and his disciples were the minority.  
    It is the same with Jesus' faithful disciples today where modern-day Pharisees rule over "Israel" - the anointed.   The "majority" are the unified organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, which expels any who speak truth, and against the doctrine of men and their idol - ("Jehovah's organization").  (John 16:2,3; Mark 8:35; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:5-7,14-18; 12:10,11)
    The mountainlike organization is already "on trial" in the eyes of God.  
    So he answered me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by strength or by might, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord of Armies. 7 ‘What are you, great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain. And he will bring out the capstone accompanied by shouts of: Grace, grace to it!’”  Zech 4:6-7
    He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change religious festivals and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.  (Rev 13:5-7)  26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’
    “Then I wanted to be clear about the fourth beast, the one different from all the others, extremely terrifying, with iron teeth and bronze claws, devouring, crushing, and trampling with its feet whatever was left. 20 I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three fell—the horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke arrogantly, and that looked bigger than the others. 21 As I was watching, this horn waged war against the holy ones and was prevailing over them 22 until the Ancient of Days arrived and a judgment was given in favor of the holy ones of the Most High, for the time had come, and the holy ones took possession of the kingdom.  Dan 7
    Truly, you should be wise, Allen, not woefully foolish, and get out of there before its too late.  Rev 18:4-8
     
     
     
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