Kick_Faceinator

The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior. “By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10 That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months: “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2 The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7 Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia. One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled… “They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.

That’s like a Canaanite taking the emblems and proclaiming they’re anointed by Ba’al, it doesn’t work, nor even mean it’s the genuine temple Paul was speaking of. Paul spoke of one temple, the anointed body of Christ which is currently only present in the organization of JW’s and is the only one Jesus Christ will even recognize at his coming. The governing body and their weapon of elders do this very well.

You raise extremely valid questions. There is no cleaning that organization. As Srecko pointed out Job 14:4 “Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!” The disgusting thing standing in the holy place is the same entity as the man of lawlessness sitting in the temple. “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing (2 Thess 2:4- Man of Lawlessness) that causes desolation (Dan 12:11) as spoken about by Daniel the prophet (Dan 11:31), standing in a holy place (1 Cor 3:16 - The Temple), (let the reader use discernment),” - Mt 24:15 When you discern it, Jesus told us to flee. “then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.” Mt 24:16 This is why the woman/anointed body of Christ flees to the wilderness. “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days” Rev 12:6 Gotta flee Babylon The Great (Rev 18:4). I can’t speak for others, but I believe the anointed are inside the JW organization because there comes a time when certain individuals “advanced over the whole earth [door knocking, proclaiming Luke 21:8] and encircled the camp of the holy ones”. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones/anointed and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.” Rev 20:7-9 I believe Gog and Ma’gog aren’t political entities, but rather a religious organization that goes door to door.

When did this happen? When organized religion became an empire in the second and third centuries CE. Where does the temple lay right now? It's in the organization of jw's. When Jesus comes back the man of lawlessness will be presently sitting in the temple, not sitting in the temple of anointed almost 2000 years ago. He sits in the temple of today, right at this moment. That is when Jesus exposes him and destroys him. It's at his coming. "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8

The man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God: “He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4 The temple are the anointed: “Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16 By suggesting the man of lawlessness sits in false religion, that would mean the true temple of the anointed body of Christ are all residing in false religion/Christendom. That would be a serious problem. The man of lawlessness sits in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses because the organization holds every single temple member right now.

Here’s another one on top of that. This is how JW’s are told to truly feel about us: “Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."- Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22. - Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420 What does Gods word equate hate to? “Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” John 3:15 Their very own leadership is telling them to become murderers.

I take comfort in that Psalm, thank you. I also take comfort in the time prophesied when Jesus Christ comes back and brings joy to Christ's brothers and sisters who have wrongfully been disfellowshipped for stating nothing but truth, and shame upon those who lawlessly disfellowshipped them. “Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and exclude you [disfellowship you] because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified! ’But He [Jesus Christ] will appear and bring you joy, And they [The men who have disfellowshipped Christ's brothers] are the ones who will be put to shame.” Isaiah 66:5 Being persecuted by Spiritual Israel isn’t so bad, it’s got it’s perks.

You are in good company. 22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23

I saw Bob this morning. Yep, good ol’ Bob. He said he saw Carl all dressed up in a suit and tie having coffee at the same table with the king of the south telling lies to each other. Man said they were to invade the land of decoration after going out in service, or letter writing rather. I couldn’t believe it! That rat!

I want to agree, I wish I could agree, but God wouldn’t have used Russell and is not using the Watchtower simply because of the fact they both are direct opposers of the apostle Paul’s warning to announce the Day of the Lord began before the man of lawlessness was revealed. Paul warned: “Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us.” 2 Thessalonians 2:2 The Watchtower and Russell are the opposers of Paul who say it began: “BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20 Paul says don’t believe them. Who are we going to believe, the Watchtower, Russell, uninspired men?…or the inspired apostle Paul? The Watchtower wants us to believe that the man of lawlessness is Christendom, but that is impossible because Paul said the man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God. “Don’t be fooled by what they say [the Watchtower and Russell]. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 We know the temple of God are the anointed, not Christendom. “Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?” 1 Corinthians 3:16 So unless Christendom is somehow filled with Gods anointed ones that make up Gods temple, there’s only one place the man of lawlessness can possibly be sitting right now… 1914 is Satans game. “This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs [1914, world war 1, 2] and miracles.,” 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Satans got them by the throat. The whole Watchtower societies existence is contingent upon 1914 being true, but the fact is, the whole entire organization of Jehovahs witnesses, is a lie. “For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie” 2 Thessalonians 2:11 If God we’re using the watchtower, he would be supporting the man of lawlessness, Satans man.

“Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” - Jesus Christ, Luke 12:51 Uh oh…

Finding truth calls for a division amongst brothers and sisters so we can know who has Jehovah’s approval, and who does not. “But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!” 1 Corinthians 11:19

Discarding books/data shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion for anyone teaching who is connected to Jesus Christ. You shouldn’t have to throw any teachings away if the branch teaching them was connected to the vine of Jesus Christ (John 15:5), they should have lasted forever as Jesus says those that teach who are in connection with him will have teachings that will last and never need to be changed/thrown away (John 15:16). The problem isn’t discarding the data, it’s way bigger in that, this proves the watchtower leadership hasn’t been connected to Jesus Christ in the first place. Their teachings are going rotten within a matter of a couple years and proves their publications are nothing more than farce. “Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” - Matthew 15:9