ApostaBabe Linda James

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large, If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say, "excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue? To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures. Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

Thank you for your concern Space Merchant. Yes, I agree, I have been observing this shift/rise for some time now. I do view the aggression you speak of as becoming a hightent aggression as the result of manufactured fear by way of (fear induction/indoctrination.) Using fear is one of the most effective ways to control people. This place of desperation seems to be fueling the aggressive flames of extremism within the organization and Society at Large.

As fare as, "Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now?" I had lunch with my brother in law who is a long time elder yesterday here in Southern California and his answer was, no. I asked him what about the cart witnessing, and he simply said that they will continue as they have been by doing the letter and phone witnessing.

Yeah, that's pretty much about how I view them too, or "Peddling Paradise." I find it interesting, most of the time when I see them use this word, "Word," ( whether it be in their New World Translation or in their Publications, ) they will have it capitalized. I've often wondered what the distinction of capitalizing it means to them? "Knowing that God is watching us." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I'm sorry, not sorry. I doubt that they have ever cared about that.

Well, kind of. 🥺 I replied to her by saying, "so the Organization is a multimedia..." and before I could say anything else, ( pluss I've been trained to stop talking out of respect and/or reverence when other people begin to speak. ) she spoke out the word, "yes," quite emphatically. So what exactly comes after or before the word multimedia, I'm really not sure. If anything, knowing that they will more than likely not be leaving the name as simply the word "multimedia," I'm just going to guess here, but I would imagine that they would be adding to that by giving it some kind of, Theocratic Studios something or another kind of name.

So I was talking with my mother on the phone two nights ago, ( on November 17th 2021 ) who is in her mid 70's, baptized in 1963 when she was 21 year's old and pregnant with me. She's is still a very faithful believing ZOOM watching Jehovah's Witness, and pluss my sister is married to an elder, and then she make the statement to me that, "We Are No Longer a Publishing Company." Although I was born in and raised within the JW culture, I was never baptized, so her conscience allows her to still be in touch with me and therefore still speaks with me. Has anyone else here heard of this from a JW, a JWBroadcast, read this in any of the JW literature, or by any other JW official source?

Yes, I've caught wind this as well. They're calling it a pilot something or another for about two, maybe three months. For the most part, we can assume that children say under what I believe to be 12 years old, won't be attending these meetings because they have not been vaccinated for Covid-19. Being vaccinated is part of the requirements as far as showing up at these Kingdom Hall meetings. So unless the age limit changes to a lower age for receiving C-19 vaccinations, we can pretty much assume those 12 and under will not be in attendance at these Kingdom Hall's. So although I have concern about the members returning to the Kingdom Hall's for their meetings, something's just not right about this whole thing. I my share my concerns later. But I agree with you Space Merchant on becoming more educated on CSA. Especially on how this organization has set things up on how to handle CSA case's. Unfortunately it is because of lack of Education on CSA that the Elders will remain absolutely ignorant regarding how the leadership of the Org is going to keep having them do their dirty work for them all the while intending for the elders to take the fall as they keep getting thrown under the bus by the leadership of the organization. The leadership will then claim that they had nothing to do with how the elders own conscience had lead him to take care of their own congregation reports of alleged CSA case's. Much like in the Montana CSA case where when the perpetrator admitted guilt when questioned by the elders, changed his mind and skipped town down to Mexico. In the Utah case where an elder decided to display his own infinite wisdom by taking it upon himself to make an alleged victim who was 14 at the time of her alleged rape, listen to an audio recording, that the alleged rapist, who was 18 at the time that he had allegedly raped her, had made. This audio recording with which he had recorded without her consent nor her knowledge, of her very own alleged rape was handed over to the elder so as to confirm his innocence. This way the elders could listen to it and determine whether she was a consensual partner as the 18 year old had claimed or not. She nor her parents were made aware that this audio recording even existed until after this judicial meeting had started. Five hour's, I repeat, FIVE HOUR'S of her having to listen to this audio recording as the Elder would repeatedly stop and ask her questions such as, "describe what was going on here?" She begged him to stop making her listen to it and to answer to him. Everyone in this judicial meeting could see how she was visibly shaking and crying while being made to re-live this alleged rape that she had originally reported to the elders. Her parents were informed either before or during the beginning of this judicial meeting, that they were not to interrupt this meeting under any circumstances otherwise the consequence would be their daughter's disfellowshipping. As I recall, I believe the parents were threatened with the consequence of disfellowshipping as well their daughter, so all three of them were in fact being horribly traumatized. Yet Mr. Infinite Wisdom Elder would start up the recording, play it for a bit more and then stop the recording to make more inquiries of her. Yes, she continue to beg the elder to stop through her tears. Actuality, aside from a few cases like these two above case's, the elders do exactly as they are instructed to do by the leadership. They make that phone call to headquarters for them to receive their legal advice. Which they ( the elders ) are basically there to stall the rank and file members from ever opening up any CSA case's with the secular Authorities. So when elders tell alleged victims of CSA that they have every right to tell the police, these elders have no intention to cooperate with the police when asked to. The elders will also add that by starting a case with the secular Authorities, it will only drag Jehovah's name through the mud. This statement alone is often a successful deterrent on the part of the elders to avoid the rank-and-file members from filing any charges with the secular authorities. In my opinion, all of this "dragging Jehovah's name through the mud" is a sorry explanation of an excuse used for the reason of stalling their members to not go to the secular authorities. But it works, so they'll continue to use it. How about Jehovah take some responsibility for his own reputation rather than making it the rank-and-file members responsibility. This is truly an unfair and uncalled for burden to put on alleged victims of CSA as well their families,

The foot note to the the scripture @John 11:26 will never die at all: When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life. That conclusion is supported by what Jesus said earlier, as recorded in John chapter 6, where he connects exercising faith with gaining everlasting life.—Joh 6:39-44, 54. All due respect, BroRando Why would you use this approach with PwfT? "why don't you go for it and call him a liar too?? You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? " John 11:26 isn't even being taken literally by jw.org. Please! Check out the above footnote. Look it up yourself. "When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life." We all here know that within the culture of the Watchtower, the Org has taught that there would be some that are living during the time of the end, or just before the Great Tribulation, ( other times the Org has use the term Armageddon or The great day of Armageddon which I will now in this discussion thread use G.T. for Great Tribulation & The Big "A" for Armageddon ) who would be able to live through it and walk right on into the new system of things. This has been big thing within this culture of the Watchtower, even way back in the day when Rutherford was the president. Wasn't it he that established that there would be what is called, "a great crowd," spoken of in Revelations, that would have an Earthly hope rather than a Heavenly hope? If so, when did he established this? The goal or hope of "the great crowd" was to be able to survive going through these times. I'm sure we can agree that within Watchtower theology, we were taught that those who did not survive the time of the G.T. or The Big "A" had no hope for a Resurrection. This surviving Armageddon And/or the Great Tribulation is a big teaching of hope. This teaching of only IBSA's or the JW's surviving through the G.T. and/or The Big "A" is, I thought, THE whole REASON for the preaching work or the ministry work. I can even remember it being spoken of as our spiritual act of worship. So what could possibly be a problem with PwfT saying, "So it would be good to know exactly who Rutherford expected to 'continue living," ? So Patiently Waiting For Truth asking about this seems like a reasonable question to me. But hay. IDK? Is this, was this doctrinal change even a thing? A thing worth acknowledging and/or even discussing. Was there a chang? An add on to those with the Heavenly hope? I mean if not, and that's the case, why would someone not just say so rather then comparing the words Rutherford to the words of Jesus and then proceeding to accuse Patiently Waiting For Truth of calling Jesus a liar. ( BTW, during the reign of Rutherford there wasn't even 1 million members yet, so might he have been talking about those who were not yet members, and not of the 144.000 Heavenly hope that might be potential future members that had not yet been recruited members of the IBSA yet "that will never die?" ) I don't understand the hesitation here to have this conversation.

I know that I wasn't directly asked this question by you, but this looks to be the same person in both of these shots. Would that be correct?

When you say, "none of them went back to their churches," are you speaking of the alleged perpetrators or the alleged victims as being the ➡ "none of them [that] went back to their churches?" So the churches you are referring to would be the Kingdom Hall's, correct?

Now that you mention it, Uncle Donald sitting with his nephews would be wise to have this conversation being that on this occasion of once yearly, these bird's are in fact eating other bird's in the traditional manner of Thanksgiving dinners here in the U.S., otherwise the cognitive dissonance his three nephews Hewey, Dewey and Lewey would most likely be having to deal with would obviously be a fowl experience for them. This too makes sense.

Thank you for letting me kow this. I had no idea that this was happening.

Wow! Okay........ That's interesting..

I wish I could argue with you on this, but it makes too much sense. Especially, "every public statement is a lie, or a deemed lie." Oh dear gauuuuuud! Something to eat, of course.... Thank you for clearing that up for me Pudgy

Blocked? What are the legal reasons?