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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    I must be reading this wrong, but it seems to me the notion ought to fill you with dismay. Had you succeeded, you would have negated God’s means to save humanity. That’s a pretty steep price to pay just to get some licks in.
    Oh. Wait. My bad. You’re probably not speaking of success in the sense of stopping Jesus arrest. You’re speaking of outdoing the twelve and not cutting loose and run in his moment of trial. Well, yes, that might be a good thing to aspire to. Not so sure the twelve could be outdone, though. 
    Sort of like all this commentary on what Aaron should have done if he just had a little backbone.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    I must be reading this wrong, but it seems to me the notion ought to fill you with dismay. Had you succeeded, you would have negated God’s means to save humanity. That’s a pretty steep price to pay just to get some licks in.
    Oh. Wait. My bad. You’re probably not speaking of success in the sense of stopping Jesus arrest. You’re speaking of outdoing the twelve and not cutting loose and run in his moment of trial. Well, yes, that might be a good thing to aspire to. Not so sure the twelve could be outdone, though. 
    Sort of like all this commentary on what Aaron should have done if he just had a little backbone.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    What? It was a red herring? They got me all going over a red herring? I sure won’t make that mistake again!
    Hmm…..if the ball cost x, and the bat cost x + 1, then the price of the ball . . . 
    …okay, take a break, Tommy. Good thread, and all, but doesn’t your wife have some chores lined up for you? Better get to them.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    What? It was a red herring? They got me all going over a red herring? I sure won’t make that mistake again!
    Hmm…..if the ball cost x, and the bat cost x + 1, then the price of the ball . . . 
    …okay, take a break, Tommy. Good thread, and all, but doesn’t your wife have some chores lined up for you? Better get to them.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    I had no idea this topic ran on for so long when I replied above. I am reminded of the popular psych line, ‘woulda shoulda coulda,.’ What one can discern in later years, with the benefit on unhurried time for meditation, one does not discern spur of the moment. Besides, 
    Not to mention how it shows he caves under pressure. He’s not going to stand up to Moses spur of the moment. Maybe in his later years, the years most of us are in, but not at the time.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    “Whoa, big fella! Whatcha doing here?!”
    I can’t picture it. It’s not as though Moses wasn’t being severely tested. Probably Aaron felt the pressure of the same test. He was probably just as upset with the people and only sensed vaguely what Moses was doing wrong, or even if he was.
    Even today, it’s hard not to excuse Moses. I liken it to, when a brother gives a good talk and ones approach him to say, ‘Good talk!’ he will, likely as not, murmur something to the effect that it is not he, but Jehovah. He says this even though it is perfectly possible for ones to speak persuasively without any help at all from Jehovah. So what are we to make of someone who takes full credit for doing something that no human in a thousand years would be able to do?
    But it’s not immediately obvious. Most fail to make the point stand out as to how outrageous Moses’ response really is.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in The Electronics Test   
    Now I see where that Mission Impossible line came from.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Juan Rivera in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Hadn’t thought of that. Even if Aaron had caught Moses’ flash of temper, he might have thought, ‘I owe him one.’
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    It seems like if we are going to do overstepping headship, we should criticize Aaron for not going all the way and saying to God, ‘Oh, come on! After all he’s done? It was just a little loss of temper, and goodness knows, they had it coming!’
    That is the sentiment most of us have to come to grips with upon reading the account. Aaron was human. Would he not have had to come to grips with it too?
    The trouble with overstepping headship is that people don’t have the judgment to know when to do it. For every ‘proper’ time they do it, there are 5 improper times.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Juan Rivera in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    I must be reading this wrong, but it seems to me the notion ought to fill you with dismay. Had you succeeded, you would have negated God’s means to save humanity. That’s a pretty steep price to pay just to get some licks in.
    Oh. Wait. My bad. You’re probably not speaking of success in the sense of stopping Jesus arrest. You’re speaking of outdoing the twelve and not cutting loose and run in his moment of trial. Well, yes, that might be a good thing to aspire to. Not so sure the twelve could be outdone, though. 
    Sort of like all this commentary on what Aaron should have done if he just had a little backbone.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in The Electronics Test   
    Now I see where that Mission Impossible line came from.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in The Electronics Test   
    The other one is in bad shape and doesn’t work any more. The university of Missouri at Columbia and Chicago University might still have one. 
    it is a ball (a 6 inch steel globe penny bank) that I had painted to be like way the Apollo astronauts photographed the earth from space. 
    It hangs in mid air and you can take a stick or ruler to all sides and above and below and show that it is not attached to anything. You can even spin it and it keeps spinning on its North Pole / South Pole axis. Below the display is a sign that says “He hangs the earth upon nothing.” — Job 26:7. 
     
    My dad often told the story of how some students would see it and wonder what the job number referred to.
    it’s a little easier to guess how this one works. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Hadn’t thought of that. Even if Aaron had caught Moses’ flash of temper, he might have thought, ‘I owe him one.’
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Hadn’t thought of that. Even if Aaron had caught Moses’ flash of temper, he might have thought, ‘I owe him one.’
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Alphonse in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Hadn’t thought of that. Even if Aaron had caught Moses’ flash of temper, he might have thought, ‘I owe him one.’
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Thinking in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Did Jehovah think it just a little loss of temper..or Aaron’s failure to be strong in his faith . Jehovah was goi g to strike him dead except for Moses begging for his life.
    Do I feel sorry for either of them…absolutely..more for Moses than Aaron….as there for the grace of god go I…….I ponder on both of them…and I think,,,….Thinking … your dead...
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to George88 in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Aaron's past actions, such as defying God by building the golden calf, should lead us to a logical conclusion: his response to Moses' action at the rock would likely have been predictable. Even if Aaron had known about Moses' split-second decision, I believe he would not have intervened, considering his history.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Juan Rivera in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    It seems like if we are going to do overstepping headship, we should criticize Aaron for not going all the way and saying to God, ‘Oh, come on! After all he’s done? It was just a little loss of temper, and goodness knows, they had it coming!’
    That is the sentiment most of us have to come to grips with upon reading the account. Aaron was human. Would he not have had to come to grips with it too?
    The trouble with overstepping headship is that people don’t have the judgment to know when to do it. For every ‘proper’ time they do it, there are 5 improper times.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    It seems like if we are going to do overstepping headship, we should criticize Aaron for not going all the way and saying to God, ‘Oh, come on! After all he’s done? It was just a little loss of temper, and goodness knows, they had it coming!’
    That is the sentiment most of us have to come to grips with upon reading the account. Aaron was human. Would he not have had to come to grips with it too?
    The trouble with overstepping headship is that people don’t have the judgment to know when to do it. For every ‘proper’ time they do it, there are 5 improper times.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to George88 in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Come on! My friend had one, he went 3 days before he ended up having to push it. He had a truthful saying, "Yugo and fix it"[expletive], lol!
    I'm sure I would have failed in my mission since Jehovah himself most likely would have stopped me. But it would have been interesting for me to have tried. Somewhat like Peter, and I'm sure I would have obeyed Jesus had he given me the same command to put away the sword. 
    This goes toward the question about Adam and Eve, and Aaron and Moses. Would have God seen a different outcome from man?
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Many Miles in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Loved that program! And, they were correct. 100%
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Yeah, yeah, whatever. You’re just using one of those crummy Android jobs and driving a Yugo.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Many Miles in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Yeah, yeah, whatever. You’re just using one of those crummy Android jobs and driving a Yugo.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Alphonse in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    Good comparison. 
    Yes in the first instance, no in the second. Yes in the first because of headship. Adam had it. No in the second because Aaron did not.
    I admit there’s an appeal to the #2 guy correcting the faux pas of the one who has headship. Trouble is, once it begins it never ends. Then, you soon discover that the #2 guy is overall less qualified than the #1–which partly accounts for why the #1 was appointed 1 to begin with.
    Since you’ve presented an imperfect comparison, not so imperfect as to be sophistry, but imperfect nonetheless, I will too:
    Do you think Steve Jobs’ or Elon Musk’s #2 person should have corrected Steve or Elon every time they impulsively fired someone? (Both of them fired many, often on a whim, often unjustly)
    Bear in mind that Jobs gave you that iPad you’re writing on and Musk that Tesla you covet. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Paul's Letter to the Galatians and the Struggle for Doctrinal Purity   
    I had no idea this topic ran on for so long when I replied above. I am reminded of the popular psych line, ‘woulda shoulda coulda,.’ What one can discern in later years, with the benefit on unhurried time for meditation, one does not discern spur of the moment. Besides, 
    Not to mention how it shows he caves under pressure. He’s not going to stand up to Moses spur of the moment. Maybe in his later years, the years most of us are in, but not at the time.
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