Srecko Sostar
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8 minutes ago, George88 said:
Who didn't see your criticism coming? lol!
"However, GB has decided ....,"
https://www.jw.org/en/news/region/global/2024-Governing-Body-Update-2/
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30 minutes ago, JW Insider said:
Or maybe they all still hate beards, but one of them had to sacrifice his personal preferences to show that the GB will lead by example. Perhaps he drew the "short straw" as they say here.
Maybe next time, another one will go without the tie:
Have you heard about the update?
Welcome to the disfellowshipped who comes to meetings (but without extended fellowship), walks into the preaching service or to meetings without a tie and jacket. Sisters wearing slacks.
With or without some "restrictions" and more IF the clothing standard in particular country is such that it is "normal" among "people of the nation".lol
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4 hours ago, JW Insider said:
So he's one of those who wanted a beard? lol
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There are two "facts".
One is that WTJWorg wants to establish Christianity as it was in the 1st century, because that would be, says WTJWorg, the only proper and true worship of God. Moreover, WTJWorg claims that their current form of Christianity is in fact like that of the 1st century, so this supposedly sets it apart from all other forms of Christianity which, again according to WTJWorg, are false Christianity.Another "fact" was highlighted in the comment, which is that we live in the 21st century. That knowledge is supposed to be the justification for the various modified forms of religious activity and dogma that are part of the WTJWorg.
Aren't these two "facts" actually in conflict? In the 21st century, there is no copied model of worship from the 1st century. At least not at WTJWorg.
The pattern of Christianity from the 1st century does not know the institute of "unbaptized publisher". Please, what biblical passage or account is the prototype from which WTJWorg invented the model that exists today?If it is in JWs interest to follow the example of Jesus and the example of the "first Christians", then the discussion on this issue should not be tiresome and irrelevant, childish. Because, even the slightest failure to conform to "pure worship" would place them in the group that Jesus rejects.
Jesus did not approve of the baptism of small children, because he did not tell them to repent and be baptized. He gave such a warning only to adults, men and women.
Furthermore, there was no form of "Bible study" in the 1st century. There were no deadlines for how long the "Bible studies" lasted, no specific written word, literature, no questions asked by the elders. There is no such biblical account that supports JWs practice today.If it is something called "modernization" of original Christianity, then JWs should ask themselves further questions. Is respect for "children's rights as seen by the UN and EHCR" a modern practice that they should adopt? Should they adopt "women's equality"? Etc.
How can JWs determine the necessary balance between the old and the new? Based on which parameter? How will they measure what is "modern" and what is "outdated"?
Jesus was not an "unbaptized publisher". He was born as a Jew and died as a Jew. His baptism was not an indication that he rejected Judaism and accepted Christianity.
So, JWs baptism of adults has a different meaning and significance than that of Jesus. JWs baptisms of children are completely unbiblical. That is the "modern" deviation of Christianity in the 20th and 21st centuries. -
52 minutes ago, George88 said:
I have not come across any comparison between the Watchtower Governing Body and the Pharisees. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses strictly adheres to God's laws and faithfully enforces them, just as Jesus did. It is worth noting that Jesus did express criticism towards the Pharisees in this regard.
However, if the day comes when the Watchtower Governing Body starts to act like the Pharisees, spiritual Israel will recognize it, and God will judge them just as He judged those who added to the laws of Moses for their benefit instead of serving God's people.
God will also judge spiritual Israel if they choose to disobey Him, just as the natural Jews did.
I may be wrong, but I get the impression that you are a long-time member of the JW religion. If you are, then it's troubling that you haven't already noticed how the GB adds its own "wisdom" to the Bible. One of the last examples of "adding" (and/or "subtracting") is the abolition of counting the hours that ordinary JWs spend in service.
So, was the instruction to count the hours an "addition" to the Bible, or was the instruction to no longer count the hours a "subtraction" from the Bible?Warning! Of course, this question is also "a trap". Because, no matter how you answer, you will show that GB is outside the Biblical standard. lol
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2 hours ago, George88 said:
Wasn't that something the Pharisees did to assert their authority by adding to God's commands?
You say well. We can also agree that the GB adds its commandments, as did the Pharisees.
2 hours ago, George88 said:10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:The term "good" in the Bible is synonymous for "perfect". Like God's statement in Genesis; "...and it was good".
It is, however, it is not for "sinless."
I can only say that God did not call his creative works with word "sinless" (or "perfect") but only with word "good". Perhaps because "perfection" does not exclude "sinfulness".
The capacity to sin is not some kind of "privilege" or "characteristic" of the imperfect, but also of the "perfect". Adam and Eve are proof that one can be "perfect" and commit sin.
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On 3/6/2024 at 5:55 PM, George88 said:
Would you happen to know of such, those that deviate from Christ's teaching?
Is there any religion today that is not a deviation?
On 3/6/2024 at 5:55 PM, George88 said:Did he remove human imperfections during his time on earth?
The people around him didn't even expect that. They were satisfied if he fed them or cured them of their diseases. Or he forgave their sins. Or while they listened to him speak. That made them feel good.
The term "good" in the Bible is synonymous for "perfect". Like God's statement in Genesis; "...and it was good".
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Basically, I conclude from these few sentences that you wrote, that in the first Christian assembly there was no concept of "unbaptized publisher".
Therefore, I present the following conclusion, WTJWorg has no biblical basis for its theological and administrative thesis and practice by which it presents this condition to candidates for baptism.
In the first century, the only condition for someone to be baptized was the act of repentance for their sins and faith in Jesus.
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In addition to the description of the child Jesus as a kind of "publisher" according to the context of WTJWorg, I note that the "predecessor" of Jesus, later known as "John the Baptist" was not "preaching active" as a child. Does it have some significance?
Apart from that, I don't remember that there are examples from the Christian life of the community of believers in the NT that would provide proof that their children (minors) in the 1st century were "unbaptized publishers".
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Whose movies are better in your opinion, JWs or Mormons?
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1 minute ago, George88 said:
I never mentioned that he was, haha! Please, let's not imitate JWI by misrepresenting my words.
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Good. So which Jesus are we talking about? The one who is 12 years old or the one who is 30+?
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Jesus was not baptized at the age of 12. Jesus at that age was not in any conflict with the Jewish elders.
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What is the biblical basis for the existence of the status called "unbaptized publisher"?
This is how it is explained in the JW cartoon. Of course, some elements in this interpretation are outdated doctrine that is no longer valid. If we exclude the "small unimportant detail" that "hours no longer count", the question still remains:
Did Jesus become an "unbaptized preacher at the age of 12"? And if so, how?
Key words in this video are: license, approved, elders, desire to be JW = unbaptized publisher. Are those words in Bible, too?
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4 hours ago, George88 said:
So, he wasn't actually preaching at the age of 12 when his parents were desperately searching for him? Where exactly did they locate him?
I believe that the "Jews congregational activity" expressed by the term "preaching", as it understand by JWs administrative and organizational "humanitarian-work program" today, is something that did not exist when Jesus was 12 years old.
According to your understanding, was Jesus an "unbaptized preacher" at the age of 12? And did the Jewish elders give him the consent like today's JW elders? I ask this because WTJWorg says the Bible gives them instructions on how to run the congregation. Where in the Bible is there a clearly explained model of conduct by which a person today, inside JWs or outside JWs, can be called an "unbaptized preacher"?
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Regardless of some theological elements associated with Jesus' baptism, because he was "perfect" and came from "Heaven", it still remains as a powerful reminder of the fact that he was baptized at the age of 30.
All the theology of the WTJWorg fails in every element about baptism, because it dared to depart from the path given by Jesus as the only correct MODEL of when to be baptized. If he was baptized as a "perfect man" at the age of 30, how old should an "imperfect man" be before he decides to take such a step of complete dedication to a religion and ideology (which changes more and more anyway, because it has been proven fallible and inaccurate).Caught in their "own wisdom", GB misdirected and allowed their lawyers to refer and appeal to the UN Charter on Human Rights. Because UN rights have never been theologically justified for the functioning of the WTJWorg administration and their "theocratic and hierarchical system" in which a man (male) rules.
WTJWorg's reference to UN rights has only one-sided meaning; "acknowledge, admit my JW religion and leave me and my sort of worship alone". Having the freedom to stop being Catholic and become a JW is a welcome human right for GB. But when a JW needs the freedom to change his religion and become something else, then WTJWorg wants to abolish all his right to freedom of choice, because it blackmails him with its "theological and doctrinal dictatorship".
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google Translation of the verdict
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13g-lcV2r67Z0Q6l1CKeYdaYMlHwY7eK4/view?pli=1
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Update:
The Norwegian court ruled in favor of the Norwegian state. Will the JWs complain? They mostly complain about unfavorable judgments.
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14 minutes ago, George88 said:
That was the impression I got from your statement. However, your approach has a flaw: Jesus was perfect, while Paul wasn't. The fact remains, that they both lived in an imperfect world.
I would expect a "perfect" person to understand the people around him better than an "imperfect" person can. Or?
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17 minutes ago, George88 said:
I believe that anyone who faithfully follows God's commands can be considered among the meek unless you interpret scripture differently.
Do you have some individuals or a certain group in mind as such who faithfully follow "God's commandments"?
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19 minutes ago, George88 said:
So, are you suggesting that it was a mistake for world governments to provide this level of protection according to their own rules and regulations? Remember, it was the governments that implemented those laws.
No, I don't suggesting nothing/anything, i just say how it is good to remove this privilege from clergy.
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On 3/3/2024 at 4:54 PM, George88 said:
Countries around the world are striving to eliminate the privileged legal status of the clergy.
Considering the victims who have lived through hardships at the hands of the clergy, it is a good move to remove this privilege for such things/reasons.
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On 3/3/2024 at 3:16 PM, George88 said:
Whose standards and in what context? All systems are imperfect, even during Jesus's time. Are you implying that Jesus was imperfect because he lived in an imperfect world?
You're making claims I didn't make. But if you want, I'll answer the question.
If Jesus felt like Paul, who said that he "was everything to everyone", then Jesus could also identify himself with everyone else in his society.
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On 3/3/2024 at 2:16 PM, George88 said:
Is there any scripture that states the unrighteous will possess the earth, not including the resurrected? Scripture mentions the meek and those who do God's will, and the unrighteous will be judged. Which bible are you reading?
Are you so sure of yourself (and own reading of the Bible) so you equate "the righteous" with "membership in the JWs religion"?
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The expression, "the scene of this world is changing", is certainly the reality of WTJWorg, which is changing the scene of its own dogmatic construction by which it oppresses its own followers.
"You must not greet an excluded person who comes to KH", was the previous order. As of today, that changes and the instruction instructs JWs to give a welcome, but not "too much of a welcome." lol