Srecko Sostar

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13163853/jehovahs-witness-15-not-allowed-die-judge/
A TEENAGE Jehovah's Witness was ordered to undergo a lifesaving blood transfusion after a concerned judge quashed her religious objection.
Doctors received the go-ahead to urgently give the 15-year-old blood when she was just hours from death.
At the High Court on Tuesday, November 10, Sir James Munby said the girl's life was in imminent danger, so he had rushed to make his decision, reports the Daily Mail.
He explained: "The blood transfusion is imperatively needed and within a timescale measured in hours, and not days.
A 1970s ruling says Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs must be given the same respect as those of other religions when it comes to kids' rights to reject treatment.
Appeal Court decisions in the 1990s stress that courts must decide what is in the best interests of under-16s, 
I've no idea who took this case to court, but it must be difficult for the Judge if he 'has to make the decision' by law. 
Can anyone condemn him for wanting to safe her life ?  

You are right @Srecko Sostar they are totally different, but he has no idea. 

As far as i can understand English this is two different things :))

I can do no more that offer truth. Those that don't want truth will of course ignore my 'contributions'. 

How easy it is to pull out one tiny bit of scripture and misuse it.  2 John v 9 - 11
Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11  For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God.  This is the Governing Body of the CCJW. That GB have declared themselves the F&DS, and have told all Anointed Ones not to meet together, even threatening that it would be working against the Holy Spirit. 
Who on here does not teach about, the Father and the Son ?  The ones you laughingly call apostates, are the ones that do believe in Almighty God being the Father and Jesus Christ being the Son. 
Tell me, what other teaching is anyone bringing here ? Oh yes, of course, You JWs bring in the teaching that everyone MUST be a baptised JW to be saved.
So it is made clear that the wicked works are being done by JWs. 

Why do JWs boast about "Jehovah's organization", but then "pass the buck" when they are accused of gross sin?
To 'pass the buck' is to evade responsibility by passing it on to someone else.
To shift or reassign the blame or responsibility (for something) to another person, group, or thing.
blame somebody or to make others responsible for a problem that you should deal with yourself. 

As they say, "necessity is the mother of invention".  
 
@TrueTomHarley stated:  “It is initially shocking to see ones taunting the Most High, all the more so when they purposefully make themselves obtuse about how God works with and through humans. The fact that they have nothing to offer that is better doesn’t phase them in the slightest, as they do nothing but condemn the GB, their spiritual betters.”
There is so much said in that paragraph that excuses the “inventions” of men’s minds.  Is this how God works through humans?  Did Jesus expect his servants to create chaos?  Confusion?  Anticipation and invention of how to rectify a teaching that expired?  Who, is really taunting the Most High? 
There is something better that is offered. 
 
27 "Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 
John 6:27-36
 

Absolutely! What JWs call “spiritual food” can be divided into two categories.
The first is: Simple and generally accepted moral values that are embedded in the consciousness and conscience of people.
The second is: Theological-administrative doctrinal nomenclature, of Previous and Present Teachings. The Previous Teachings actually, in simple, clear and normal wording means wrong, err, false teachings, apostasy. ....and The Present Teachings means ostensibly correct, something that will be swallowed by some new interpretation in the future.
One of the very obvious and very clear examples of theological misconceptions, is the teaching of the "Generation of 1914." To keep parts of that concept alive, they invented the “Overlapping Generation”.
Similar to 1975 calculations and interpretations that came from WT Administration, JW people do and will react to "Overlapping Generation" in similar way as they did and they do now to 1975.
As  @Emma Rose in "deep wisdom" say: We'd wait and see. Of course, we don't need to wait long. Apologists for WTJWorg already continuously and zealously defend every past and present failure. 

In April 2008, the Elders summoned Ria for questioning in connection with their investigation. (R. 83–84.) The Elders first questioned Ria (who was accompanied by her mother and stepfather) for 45 minutes about her interactions with Mr. Williams, including whether Ria had voluntarily engaged in sexual activity with him. (R. 84.) Having failed to obtain the information they wanted, the Elders then played an audio recording that Mr. Williams had provided that captured the sound of one of the times he had raped Ria. - https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2019/11/Williams-Brief-for-Petitioner.pdf
Whether this is voluntary or forced sex, the question arises: why would a JW man record sex in his car? And then, why would he give the tape to JW elders?
And to top it all off, why would a legal body in the church accept such a recording unless it is a buy/sell situation? Is that Mr. Williams sells the record for a milder sentence and puts all the blame on Ria?

Absolutely! What JWs call “spiritual food” can be divided into two categories.
The first is: Simple and generally accepted moral values that are embedded in the consciousness and conscience of people.
The second is: Theological-administrative doctrinal nomenclature, of Previous and Present Teachings. The Previous Teachings actually, in simple, clear and normal wording means wrong, err, false teachings, apostasy. ....and The Present Teachings means ostensibly correct, something that will be swallowed by some new interpretation in the future.
One of the very obvious and very clear examples of theological misconceptions, is the teaching of the "Generation of 1914." To keep parts of that concept alive, they invented the “Overlapping Generation”.
Similar to 1975 calculations and interpretations that came from WT Administration, JW people do and will react to "Overlapping Generation" in similar way as they did and they do now to 1975.
As  @Emma Rose in "deep wisdom" say: We'd wait and see. Of course, we don't need to wait long. Apologists for WTJWorg already continuously and zealously defend every past and present failure. 

There are two results associated with JW and the year 1975.
The WT administration made great efforts in a spiritual and literal sense to “save” as many people as possible from Armageddon who were expecting at the time. The increase in the number of members (until 1975) was great because the effort invested in preaching was enormous. But the “inflated spiritual food” offered on the GB spiritual table caused a second result after 1975. A major departure from the organization. Yes, members leaving “Noah’s Ark” was a debacle for the New York Administration, for sure. 
In fact, I think that the spiritual condition of the JW members at that time was exactly the same as today's JW and vice versa. JW people are willing to believe in the hope and interpretations of their religious leaders. There was no change, people still want and have to believe in some sort/version of "the truth". As a consequence of such a general state of mind and spirit of the collective and of the majority of individuals in that collective, disappointment is inevitable. 
The WT administration is in a closed circle of constant doctrinal debacles. Bigger and smaller debacles, which in each new generation / version are called "knowledge that multiplies" and "light that shines more and more", "clarifications", "adjustments" etc, etc.
Like all other people, JW members want to believe in God and Justice and a better Future. And it’s a lure/bait that attracts. It is a soil on which many hopes can grow. And that is why it is a powerful means of attracting and keeping people in spiritual captivity, with a few phrases of truth and many misconceptions.
 
 

Did you know that the anointed "Israel" are compared to stars in the heavens?  (Dan 12:3; Phil 2:15; Eph 2:6; Rev 1:20)  An anointed one can be "led away by the error" of lawlessness...and fall from his "stable position".  2 Pet 3:17
They are also described as "wandering stars" -
"These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever."   Jude 1:12,13
The stars that remain in Jesus' "right hand" follow a set course, the path he took. (Rev 1:20) They follow his teachings and do not waver from them.  The proof that the governing leaders are not those stars in Jesus' hand, is their continual "changed course" in teachings.  Don't let their smooth talk convince you of bogus, "new light".  This is evidence that they are "wandering stars", groping in the dark, for new doctrine to replace the old.  
 

Thank you so much for such a great explanation.  What caught my attention was your use of “soil” as describing the “lure/bait” that attracts.  That bait is not enough for a solid faith in truth to thrive.  The soil is poor in nutrients – truth; other than providing the initial boost, received at the outset.  When I think of myself when first entering the organization, I felt that initial boost, but as the years went by, the joy dissipated, the attention to be given to the organization became drudgery.  The “soil” was not fortified over the years, just as it isn’t today.  It lacks the “bread of life” and the “living water” from Jesus Christ.  Men who rely on their own understanding – their own doctrine -  cannot provide such things.  John 6:35; 7:38
“Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.’”
Empty – “vain, fruitless, folly”, which results in “soil”, not fit to grow a genuine and nourished faith, in the Father. 
If JWs could only see that the organization runs solely on the doctrine of men.  As you say, “disappointment is inevitable”. 
 

C.C that is so lame.   .  Try harder than that. It doesn't matter what happened AFTER 1975. What matters is that the Leaders of the CCJW were WRONG. 
So the CCJW is built on a very flawed foundation with many mistakes and false promises. 
THAT IS NOT GOD'S FAULT, NOR IS IT CHRIST'S FAULT.  It is the  fault of MEN. The MEN that have led your religion.
 

Why would I suddenly not understand Tom's sense of humour if I have been posting on here for as long as Tom?  I also messaged you to let you know who is who since you were new here. That should have told you that I was familiar with most of the posters.
But I will give you the benefit of the doubt 🙂

@Srecko Sostar That is fabulous.  Very well explained. 
I think that JWs forget the teachings of the 60's.  Remember the teachings ;
Each Creative Day = 7000 years. 6 Creative Days = 42000 years.
We were living in the last day and it would consist of 6000 years + 1000 years of Christ's rule
That would equal 49,000 years, then it would be handed back to God and be a Millenium of some sort. 
So that teaching was saying that at the end of the 6,000 years, Christ's rule would begin.
That year was 1975. 

There are two results associated with JW and the year 1975.
The WT administration made great efforts in a spiritual and literal sense to “save” as many people as possible from Armageddon who were expecting at the time. The increase in the number of members (until 1975) was great because the effort invested in preaching was enormous. But the “inflated spiritual food” offered on the GB spiritual table caused a second result after 1975. A major departure from the organization. Yes, members leaving “Noah’s Ark” was a debacle for the New York Administration, for sure. 
In fact, I think that the spiritual condition of the JW members at that time was exactly the same as today's JW and vice versa. JW people are willing to believe in the hope and interpretations of their religious leaders. There was no change, people still want and have to believe in some sort/version of "the truth". As a consequence of such a general state of mind and spirit of the collective and of the majority of individuals in that collective, disappointment is inevitable. 
The WT administration is in a closed circle of constant doctrinal debacles. Bigger and smaller debacles, which in each new generation / version are called "knowledge that multiplies" and "light that shines more and more", "clarifications", "adjustments" etc, etc.
Like all other people, JW members want to believe in God and Justice and a better Future. And it’s a lure/bait that attracts. It is a soil on which many hopes can grow. And that is why it is a powerful means of attracting and keeping people in spiritual captivity, with a few phrases of truth and many misconceptions.
 
 

You are told that God’s Spirit is with this organization. (Rev 13:15)  Yet, history proves that with each false prophesy and failed teaching by your leaders, God’s Spirit is not resting in the organization. (Prov 12:22) The God of Truth would not lie, and neither would Jesus Christ, who is Truth. (John 1:14,17;14:6)  If you say God is with you, all JWs are liars themselves. (Prov 13:5) In your mind and hearts, you have blurred the boundary line, between truth and lies.  It should be distinct within your heart.  You should be appalled when realizing your leaders have lied to you.  Instead, it’s like a dream that you awake from and forget about, as you continue through your day. If a poisonous snake crossed your path when hiking, wouldn’t you remember that day clearly, and how you made a rapid escape from its strike?  Why is it, that a lying tongue of your leaders, causes no recoil on the part of a JW?
If you continue to love a lie, or excuse the lies taught by your leaders – lies that comprise the foundation and progressive teachings of the organization, where does that get you in the end?  Do you realize there are specific spiritual references made to a people who turn a blind eye to falsehoods, as I see you are doing here?  (Hos 11:12; Jer 5:31)
Every falsely projected date, every teaching that has changed course several times over the years, is evidence of a lying spirit among you. Two contrasting spirits cannot reside side by side. (John 16:13; 1 Tim 4:1,2) Either this organization IS PURE TRUTH; or it is A COMPLETE LIE, masquerading as if it is truth; and since false teachings are your history, the father of the lie directs this organization – an entity that JWs have come to “love”.   (Matt 7:15-20; John 8:44; Rev 13:1,2,11,12) (2 Thess 2:9-12) (2 Cor 11:13-15)
The anointed have the responsibility to preserve the teachings/laws of Jesus Christ, who would never encourage his servants to tell a falsehood. (Ps 119:160;Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10)  In him, there is NO LIE. (1 John 2:21) He is the Spirit of Truth. (John 16:13)  Since the anointed inside are subservient to the elder body, they have failed in following God’s will to preserve TRUTH IN CHRIST. (1 John 2:27)   They have lost their “salt” – a spiritual preservative; and are trampled down by the “man of lawlessness”/elder body who “represents the royal priesthood”. They cannot “shine” their lamp of truth when elders rule over them, extinguishing any Spirit of Truth they have received upon their anointing. (Matt 5:13-16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) 
The speakers in the video may or may not have been anointed. But, because they promoted a lie, they have a judgment by Christ waiting for them. (Matt 7:23; 2 Tim 2:15) Their safe haven is not the organization, or their willingness to continue as a good “elder”.   If they leave the entire environment of falsehoods and repent before Christ, their judgment takes on a different outlook.  (Ps 145:18; John 8:32; Col 3:9)
 So, humility is realizing the difference between a lie and the truth.  Arrogance is ignoring that difference, believing that God does the same thing. (Prov 26:12)  An anointed one’s humility expressed before God, is by upholding Truth, and tearing down the lies. The apostles were humble men, but powerful in Spirit, to expose and destroy lies spoken against Jesus Christ and the Father. (John 17:17; Eph 6:10,11; 2 Cor 10:4,5;1 Pet 5:8,9) Jesus did the same thing before the Scribes and Pharisees.  To walk in the path of Jesus Christ, requires upholding TRUTH, at whatever it costs us – whether it is slander, persecution by our own people, or fleshly death. (Matt 5:10; John 15:18; 2 Cor 12:10; 2 Tim 3:2)
Those too cowardly to speak for Truth, do not have a pleasant spiritual outcome. 
 
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”  Rev 22:12-15
“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”  Rev 21:8
 
 
 
 
 
 

It was a hypothetical situation I used for the sake of illustration. Or did you really assume I thought I knew your circumstances?
And if you think you are being humorous with your reply, then I don't believe that, it appears more like you have nothing better to say. 
If you don't have a proper answer, then it's ok to say you don't know. After all, you have been lecturing others about humility...

Is that what you call it? Do you know each other?

Wow, the JWs join forces to worship their GB and their CCJW org. They hang on every word of their masters the GB. So be it. 
@Emma Rose I have never said I am of the Anointed. I have said I am not Anointed. I have also said I probably will not survive Armageddon. However I did leave the CCJW because of the Child Sexual Abuse problem Earthwide in that Org and I do make a point of warning others of the dangers that are in the CCJW. If Christ judges me as wrong and as wicked then I will die at Armageddon. But what I do, I do with a good Christaiin conscience. 
@derek1956 I hope you are happy with the silly things you post. 
@Anna  You are very level headed in all this. You can see both sides as usual. Thank you for your  input. 
@TrueTomHarley I hope you are well. I love your input. You are funny whether intentional or not. 
Appologies to anyone I've missed. I think one of Witnesses' points is that with the Leaders of the CCJW getting things wrong many times over a long period of time, how can anyone trust the Leaders now ?
The GB admit to not being inspired so all they do is guess, and 'err'.  Of course they will get some things right. If you make 100 guesses, 10 of them could easily be right. 
New members on here may not know of the serious Child Sexual Abuse / Pedophilia problem Earthwide in the CCJW. I would suggest you do your own research. Australia, Canada, America, The Netherlands, the UK. Just to name a few.  
Any JW denying this is deliberately blinding themselves. 
I left the CCJW for the reason above. I could not encourage people into such an organsation. Each of you is entitled to your own opinion of me. However I wish Warmest Christian Love to you all. 
 

"Self-professed", what an ignorant thing to say.  Do God's anointed servants need the approval of men before they profess that they are anointed?   Gal 1:10   I suppose in the organization, that is how it is.  I know of anointed ones who were discouraged by the elder body to partake of the emblems.  I know of one who quit partaking because of elder pressure against them.  (Rev 13:5-7)  I really don't care what anyone wants to believe about myself. It matters most, what Jesus Christ sees as my servitude toward him and God.   I do care that JWs put the Truth of Christ, before the counterfeit "truth" of a wicked slave/Harlot, and the organization it directs.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11-17; 16:13-16)

Tell me where in God's Word, it says setting dates for Armageddon is acceptable.  Tell me where in God's Word, men's doctrine trumps the doctrine of Jesus Christ.  Where do the scriptures say, it's okay to "lead my people astray" with delusions from the minds of men.  Jer 23:32
Tell me where it is acceptable by God and Christ to call a teaching, "truth" when time proves it to be a lie.
"False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth. 3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!" 2 Pet 2:1-3
 

I would hope that we will have learned our lesson, and remember Jesus's words.. "concerning the day and hour nobody knows..."  So setting any kind of date, by anyone, would hopefully be seen as plainly wrong.

There were probably many prior to 1975 that had a similar attitude, but they were looked down on as lacking faith. And they were told that "now was not the time to be  toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning the day and hour nobody knows..." * It was those who sold their houses to quickly pioneer before the end came who were praised.

The brother in the convention video a few years ago certainly was not only toying with the words of Jesus, but he was actually reminding himself of those words! And he didn't change his schedule and follow those who sold houses and quit their jobs. Watch it starting at the 13:07 mark.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBiblePrinciples/pub-jwbcov_201705_4_VIDEO

Hindsight is 20/20 of course, as evidenced in the video. 
* paragraph 35 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1968602