Srecko Sostar

I am not native English speaker, but this is what i see correct understanding.

I am not native English speaker, but this is what i see correct understanding.

I put "Jehovah's Witnesses" in Bible hub .....and nothing :))

Thanks for the observations. Because my English isn’t very good (which is well seen in my grammar as I write comments:) ), it’s even harder for me to follow the lyrics in the songs. And, I didn't even expect "interventions" in the text of the original to happen. ............... But, that's how it is with "musical" and other interpretations :)))

Had a lot of fun listening with YouTube's attempt at automatic voice recognized "Closed Captions." Here's the translation of Glen Campbell's "Gentle on my mind" where he says in the original: "That keeps you in the back roads by the rivers of my memory that keeps you ever [gentle on my mind]."



I also saw lyrics about "when bus who got nuts and buns" and "Apple hazard pay" and all kinds of lyrical distortions.
Of course, they sound very good. I liked "California." Also, it reminded me of my time in Missouri ('65-'76) where some extended families had plenty of "bluegrass" musicians that would get together on weekends and picnics and just start pickin' and grinnin' for hours.

I just recently ran across this family's music within the last few days!  They are so happy working together, doing what they all love.  

No, i wait for others, in this case you, to put first "cart" on the table. 
It seems how exists individuals, JW members too, who put tremendous faith in God and believe how with Him everything is possible. Even to have "spiritual paradise" without organized religion.
But when they been faced with second question, then they feels guilty and fear because answer: "No" would mean they have to live without WTJWorg. :))

Ok so SM defends the CCJW. So be it. 
Having quickly looked at Wiki regarding Strong's, I do not see any mention of God's Holy Spirit being involved. 
As I've said many times, if the Scriptures were written under the inspiration of God's Holy spirit, then it needs God's Holy spirit to understand them. 
If I am right (and SM will prob's disagree) then SM is a man that studies Religions, plural. He seems to be a Theologist. 
As there can be only one true way of serving God then would God supply Holy Spirit to help a person study Theology ? 
Being a Truther, is that what God wants ?  If it is then many of us have no chance. Why ? Because many of us are of a basic education and many things are deliberately made so complicated as to confuse many.
The old old story. If you cannot satisfy them with science, then baffle them with bulls--t. And it works. The Leaders of the CCJW have proved that it works, over and over again. 
I make no apologies to Space Merchant because I think he is sitting on the fence. That's his choice but I don't have to sit there with him  
@Srecko Sostar gave us a quote here :-
 
" quote 2: We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. *
Such changes are in harmony with the Bible principle stated at Proverbs 4:18: “The path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.” Just as the rising sun reveals details of a landscape ..... "
 But the problem here is this. A sensible person would not go stumbling around in the dark before the 'sun reveals details of a landscape ..' The Leaders of the CCJW / Watchtower have obviously been up too early and have stumbled themselves and many others. The blind leading the blind and both fall into the pit. 
Simply put. Why were they in so much of a hurry to run ahead of God and Christ ?  Because it has been shown that they did not wait on true spiritual guidance to lead them ..........................

You seem to be cart-before-horse-ing.

I found interesting to present this two view about same issue, about religious truth, or to be said, what is the meaning of Bible text aka - interpretations. Both quotes are originated from persons who are deeply involved in defending religious truth and teachings. They are, i believe, bible scholars of some sort. I don't know what credentials they have.
 
First quote is made by an individual and is very concise. We may say, clear and simple as it should be, because we will agree how truth have to be clear and simple. But, perhaps it is not always that way :)) 
quote 1: There is no change, there is no misinterpretation. Therefore, there is no error. 
 
Second quote is made by group of people and is massive. And stands as opposite to first one. 
quote 2: We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. *
Such changes are in harmony with the Bible principle stated at Proverbs 4:18: “The path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.” Just as the rising sun reveals details of a landscape gradually, God grants an understanding of divine truth progressively, in his due time. (1 Peter 1:10-12) As the Bible foretold, he has accelerated this process during “the time of the end.”—Daniel 12:4.
These adjustments in our understanding should neither surprise nor disturb us. Ancient worshipers of God also had mistaken ideas and expectations and needed to adjust their viewpoint.
 
I will leave further comments, if any, to the audience of this forum. :)) 

As @Outta Here give information, WT have various Bible versions,  translations.
But only last edition have to be count as "best Bible" :))) and to be use for spreading "spiritual food" aka truth that leads to eternal life. Yes, he must be right. You can read whatever Bible Translation you like, but confirmation about what is meaning of text need to be made by Watchtower study edition. ;)) 

I found interesting to present this two view about same issue, about religious truth, or to be said, what is the meaning of Bible text aka - interpretations. Both quotes are originated from persons who are deeply involved in defending religious truth and teachings. They are, i believe, bible scholars of some sort. I don't know what credentials they have.
 
First quote is made by an individual and is very concise. We may say, clear and simple as it should be, because we will agree how truth have to be clear and simple. But, perhaps it is not always that way :)) 
quote 1: There is no change, there is no misinterpretation. Therefore, there is no error. 
 
Second quote is made by group of people and is massive. And stands as opposite to first one. 
quote 2: We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. *
Such changes are in harmony with the Bible principle stated at Proverbs 4:18: “The path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.” Just as the rising sun reveals details of a landscape gradually, God grants an understanding of divine truth progressively, in his due time. (1 Peter 1:10-12) As the Bible foretold, he has accelerated this process during “the time of the end.”—Daniel 12:4.
These adjustments in our understanding should neither surprise nor disturb us. Ancient worshipers of God also had mistaken ideas and expectations and needed to adjust their viewpoint.
 
I will leave further comments, if any, to the audience of this forum. :)) 

Thank you. 
"honorable titles for important people" - the meaning of "faithful and discreet slave" has become very important to JWs.  Without them, who would supply them, "food at the proper time"?
"recognized for their contributions and the like." - "We also need to appreciate Jehovah’s provision of “the faithful and discreet slave,” the body of spirit-anointed Christians through whom he provides spiritual food for the household of faith. (Matt. 24:45)"  be study 22 pp. 153-156 -
"These Benefactors are the types to take a lead among the people" - "They recognize, however, that Christ is using a small group of anointed Christian men as a Governing Body to lead and direct his disciples on earth."w10 9/15 pp. 25-29 -
"it should not be confused those among the Christ, to mimic as if they are and or align themselves with world rulers."   The GB are entrenched in politics, they practice the opposite of  Jesus taught.  He never said to his followers to use the system to gain selfish advantage to promote their empire. No, these men are not "among the Christ".  I'm sorry to say, that these blind men would not consider you as such, as well.
The scripture is a perfect application of the dual rulership in the WT.
 
  
 
 

I often refer to their own Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, since many times their translation  on the right is in favor of their doctrine.

 
 
 

This is interesting.  I didn't realize it is found in the WT's Kingdom Interlinear!

As @Outta Here give information, WT have various Bible versions,  translations.
But only last edition have to be count as "best Bible" :))) and to be use for spreading "spiritual food" aka truth that leads to eternal life. Yes, he must be right. You can read whatever Bible Translation you like, but confirmation about what is meaning of text need to be made by Watchtower study edition. ;)) 

Is this internet page approved by GB and WT? Does WT endorse JW's to go on Biblehub or to go only to official JW org sites that have best bible translation and brand new interpretations ? :)))) 
 

When you said: "No", i would understand than how WT Society and all legal entities are not needed for JW members and people in general to be able get close to God and Jesus.   
That is contrary to WT publication that said how only WTJWorg with GB is able to provide "spiritual food" and how "spiritual paradise" only existing inside this organization.
Obviously, your short and direct answer giving idea how WTJWorg is not necessary for "spiritual paradise", which i can agree. But than why JW's preaching how people need  to Join JW as precondition to be under God's protection that is only inside "spiritual paradise" that exists only under leadership and governing of WTJWorg company?  

Is this internet page approved by GB and WT? Does WT endorse JW's to go on Biblehub or to go only to official JW org sites that have best bible translation and brand new interpretations ? :)))) 
 

There are many versions of this diagram available.
You can see hows the word epi is used in scripture. Interpret it as you will according to context.

Exactly.
A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.  Luke 22:24-27
This is the pattern the Watchtower GB and elders, follow.  They have ignored, denied the words of Christ.
 

They already have denied Jesus "three times", since they deny the anointed members of his Body.  If the members are silenced, so is the Head.  A working body requires the mobility of all of its members.  Jesus expects his members to work in the capacity God gave them.  (1 Cor chapter 12)  He expects them to listen to him and not men who appear to be equal, but are in fact, proving their hate for those in Christ; thus showing no respect for their head, Jesus Christ. 
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.  For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,  not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.  1 John 3:10,11
Murder these days, is called disfellowshipping; a hypocritical act of "love".  Rev 13:11,12,15  The GB has created a guillotine machine of rules where any who reject them are easily "killed" by their army of henchmen.  
Nowhere in Jesus' words, does it say that one member of his body has the ability to cut off the other from his own body.  
That would be God's job.
With the power bestowed on them by the GB, their henchman fully apply their power to "kill" God's priesthood/"living stones.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17
“Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means.  Dan 8:25
 
 
 

Perhaps so, in a fleshly way!  
In its simplest form, I understand WT’s ideology on “organization” as two-fold.  Both the “earthly” (in the form of the WT) and the “heavenly” where the anointed are, with both systems reflecting each other. Yet, on the earth, the elders are the “princes” and apparently the priests.   In a literal one-place heaven, the anointed are the kings/priests. I see them mirroring each other in a sense, with God and Jesus supposedly over all.  There is little to none information, especially recently, of the anointed as God’s temple.  That would detract from their doctrine that the earthly organization is a facet of God’s encompassing organization.  The word “temple” and its spiritual meaning escapes the minds of JWs.  JWs are now being told that they are part of that temple; especially helpful in this, is their standing doctrine of the “great crowd” with every JW as part of that. (Rev 7:9,10,13-15)
When the scriptures speak of the 144,000 sitting on thrones, I view it as their literal understanding of what it must be like; well structured according to our earthly terms.  This is from the minds of earthly men, not from spiritual men. 
“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”  1 Cor 2:14
Heaven cannot be defined as one place.  It is a spiritual existence.  When Jesus was resurrected, he appeared and disappeared among his disciples, before he “ascended” or rose to that spiritual existence, until the time of the end when he will again, be seen on the earth.  Under the New Covenant, this is no different than what his angel servants/members of his body – his Bride – will experience in the Kingdom. They have within them a spirit life, and their humanly life.
“Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.”  John 3:6
The members of the new creation are both this spiritual state of “heaven” and of the fleshly state of “earth”.  They are the firstborn of “righteous” children in God’s Kingdom, and the first after Christ, to inherit the earth.  Ps 37:11 They are patterned after Christ, not Adam.  2 Pet 3:13,14; 1:4
Those of the “second resurrection” also will receive their inheritance of the earth. 
 
"sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written, The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is* from heaven. 48 Like the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; like the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven." 1 Cor 15:4-49
This describes the new “heaven” and the new “earth”. 
Isa 65:17; Rev 21:1,5
The priests with Christ will “hear” God’s word, and together will relay it to all of His children, who will be resurrected onto the earth.  (Mal 2:7)
 
 

Hybrids. Mixture of angels and humans. 
Perhaps artist want to show Unity and Uniformity. 
I am not sure that i understand explanation, interpretations of some Bible words about this "transformation". Also, if human are created by God to live on Earth, and WT theology said how Catholics or some other religious people not "going" to "heaven" after death because that is false teachings.....why would that be different for some JW class, "anointed"? 
Resurrection is good hope. But to live on Earth. Why would God be in need to have group of people, earthly women and men for living in "heaven" and rule over humankind? And be invisible to their subjects? I would drove some line with Eden and human. God was invisible to Adam and Eve, Abel, Cain .... according to Bible. But they spoke together.  Human heard a Voice.
This is also interesting. If you "see" God you will be dead, but if you "hear" His voice, you will not be dead. ??!! ...
So, according to WT theology; Will they, 144000, speak with humans? Will humans "heard" their voices as Adam, Eve, Abe, Cain did hear God's? Because "voice" is need to be heard for purpose of learning. Human will need to be instructed how to get "perfection" and how to find "true doctrines" without later,  subsequently,  afterwards so called "clarifications". :))