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  1. Os capítulos 19 e 20 de Apocalipse revelam alguns detalhes significativos sobre a guerra do Armagedom e o que acontecerá a seguir. Esses detalhes incluirão duas mudanças importantes para a compreensão atual e essa "mudança de visão" será um verdadeiro obstáculo para muitas Testemunhas de Jeová. Estes capítulos serão examinados em um artigo futuro, mas, tendo que enfrentar uma mudança tão séria de compreensão para outros dois assuntos, foi decidido tratá-los separadamente à luz de toda a Escritura. Em primeiro lugar, devemos perceber que o Apocalipse fala da ressurreição no final do milênio, e não durante o milênio. Isto será tratado em detalhes no devido tempo. Por enquanto, aceite esta possibilidade apenas para tornar o tema deste artigo compreensível, o que deve responder a pergunta, de fato, "quais nações realmente desaparecem no Armagedom?". É claro que aqui voltamos ao "problema" habitual se o livro fosse escrito em ordem cronológica ou não, mas, entretanto, vimos que os sete selos são seqüenciais, as sete trombetas devem ser seqüenciais (o apóstolo Paulo chama a sétima trombeta “a última trombeta ") e também as sete tigelas da ira de Deus. Se tudo isso é sequencial, é consistente pensar que os últimos capítulos não são? Deixe-nos ler todo o capítulo 20 do Apocalipse e siga a ordem dos eventos. Satanás é solto de sua prisão, e engana as nações que estão nos cantos da terra, estas nações cercam o acampamento dos santos e depois são consumidas pelo fogo que desce do céu. Após este evento, a morte e a sepultura entregam os mortos que estão neles. – Apocalipse 20:11-13 A escritura de Apocalipse 20: 5 diz que os outros mortos não voltaram a viver até os mil anos terem terminado. Isso significaria que, nesses mil anos, os santos governariam os sobreviventes do Armagedom e suas famílias, mas não os ressuscitados. O mesmo termo, "até", usado em Mateus 1:25, sempre o usamos para mostrar que José não teve relações com sua esposa Maria até o nascimento da criança. Isso deve ser suficiente para mostrar que a ressurreição acontecerá após o final do milênio, um conceito que parece ser repetido nos versículos 12 e 13. Vamos aprofundar esses versículos, mas agora vamos nos concentrar nesses "rebeldes" que atacam pessoas de Deus . Quem são eles? De onde eles vieram? Assim que os mil anos tiverem terminado, Satanás será solto da sua prisão, e ele sairá para enganar as nações nos quatro cantos da terra — Gogue e Magogue — a fim de reuni-las para a guerra. O número delas é como a areia do mar. E avançaram sobre toda a terra e cercaram o acampamento dos santos e a cidade amada. Mas desceu fogo do céu e as consumiu. E o Diabo, que as enganava, foi lançado no lago de fogo e enxofre, onde já estavam tanto a fera como o falso profeta. Eles serão atormentados dia e noite, para todo o sempre. – Apocalipse 20:7-10 No final dos mil anos, Satanás é solto para "enganar as nações nos quatro cantos da terra", e os reúne para a guerra. Parece realmente incrível que algo assim aconteça! É possível que, no novo mundo, as pessoas ainda se organizem em nações políticas, que criem divisões e que até mesmo a ação da parte dessa pessoa permaneceu fiel? Esta é a primeira hipótese e representa grosseiramente o ensino atual. Antes de pensar que é uma bobagem, é possível fazer a hipótese de que, durante a guerra de Armagedom, uma parte da terra também é poupada para permitir a sobrevivência do povo de Deus? Em várias partes da Bíblia, diz-se que, durante o tempo de julgamento, o seu povo fiel se escapa ao encontrar abrigo para Edom, Moabe e Amom (que são também as cidades perdidas da guerra mundial – Compare, por exemplo, Daniel 11:41 e Isaías 16:4, Salmos 108:8-10 e Jeremias 40:10, 11) Essas três nações (Edom, Moabe e Amom) eram montanhosas, e isso lembra as palavras que Jesus falou aos discípulos. – Mateus 24:15, 16 A Escritura adverte todos os cristãos do mundo para fugir para as montanhas mais próximas assim que vêem a coisa repugnante em Israel? De fato, se a destruição de Babilônia, a Grande, deu origem ao Armagedom (como vimos) e não à grande tribulação, "fugir para os montes" significaria que Jeová salvaria essos os montes pela força das coisas. Na verdade, essas "montanhas" podem ser uma localidade específica da Terra, onde Jeová irá liderar o povo antes do Armagedom. Este ou esses locais seriam "preservados do julgamento". Não seria a primeira vez que Jeová, em seu amor e misericórdia, evita destruir um determinado povo por causa de seus servos. De acordo com o relato de Gênesis 19:21, 22, os anjos de Jeová evitam destruir Zoar para consideração de Ló, e ainda, do que se entende lendo toda a história, essa "pequena cidade" era parte de Sodoma ou Gomorra e, portanto, teve que ser destruído. A guerra do Armagedom realmente destrói o sistema satânico composto pela besta selvagem, o falso profeta e seus apoiantes. Todas as nações que são compactas na luta contra o Cordeiro também caem. A grande maioria das pessoas morre nesta guerra porque cego e marcado pela fera, mas morrerá todos aqueles que não são cristãos? A congregação de Filadélfia é informada de que seria guardada "na hora da provação, que virá sobre toda a terra habitada" e para que isso possa ser feito podemos formular a hipótese de que alguns cristãos encontram abrigo em uma "zona livre”. – Apocalipse 3:10 Se possamos fazer a hipótese disso, as nações que no final do milênio decidem atacar o povo de Deus podem nascer dessas cepas sobreviventes. Por que, de fato, seria uma distinção entre eles e "o acampamento dos santos"? Não são todos os habitantes do novo mundo santos? No novo mundo haverá um "acampamento dos santos" e um "acampamento do não-santo"? Outra confirmação poderia vir da própria proteção da Jerusalém de cima; diz-se que ela "voa para o deserto", "longe da face da serpente". Quando Satanás tenta fazer com que ela se afogue 'a terra vem em seu auxilio' e isso significa que pelo menos até o último momento do juízo divino ainda há uma parte "estável" do mundo. – Apocalipse 12:15 Isso também poderia explicar por que a ressurreição não ocorre durante este milênio; simplesmente porque ainda não estamos nesse novo mundo que imaginamos, mesmo que já seja um mundo novo e já teremos muitos motivos para ser feliz. Provavelmente devemos fazer uma distinção entre o "reino milenar" (que trará muitas bênçãos à humanidade fiel) e "novo mundo" que começará após a ressurreição, no momento em que Cristo retorna o reino a seu Deus e Pai. Este período poderia ser simplesmente um período de transição durante o qual os seres humanos podem viver em paz sem a influência de Satanás e sob a orientação do ensino divino para todos aqueles que desejam obedecer. Na verdade, uma das perguntas que Satanás criou no Jardim do Éden foi precisamente que o homem conseguiu se governar, mas o homem, com a interferência de Satanás, nunca realmente governou sozinho. O homem pode dirigir seus passos sem Deus e sem Satanás? Também isso deve ter uma resposta. Isto está relacionado às palavras de Apocalipse 20:2, 3; Satanás está prendido "para que não enganasse mais as nações" e isso é necessário para dar uma resposta definitiva à questão levantada no Éden. No entanto, se todas as nações foram destruídas no Armagedom, como poderia enganá-las? Teria sentido dizer que Satanás é prendido para impedi-lo de enganar nações que já não existem? Eventuais nações dos quatro cantos da terra, nascidos dessas cepas poupadas, poderiam mostrar se o homem é realmente capaz de se governar em condições favoráveis, isto é, sem a influência de Satanás. Após essa última rebelião humana, que mostrará conscientemente que preferem o governo de Satanás ao de Jeová, Satanás e a humanidade desobediente serão eliminados para sempre. Somente após a ressurreição dos mortos e após o julgamento, "a morte e a sepultura serão lançadas no lago de fogo" e, portanto, devemos assumir que, ao longo do milênio, apesar de ter condições favoráveis, continuaremos envelhecendo e morrendo? É impensável porque os governantes ungidos irão cumprir suas funções sacerdotais expiando o pecado da humanidade e assim impedindo a morte de seus sujeitos. A morte que, no entanto, sempre estará à espreita e ainda não eliminada permanentemente até o final do milênio. Será "o último inimigo" a ser eliminado de fato. Se, no final do milênio, ainda haja "inimigos a serem eliminados" (as nações que cercam o acampamento santo), isso deve demonstrar que a ressurreição e, portanto, a eliminação definitiva da morte, só acontecerão após esse evento. (I Corinthians 15:26) A este respeito, a redação de I Corinthians 15:24, 25, se lida com atenção, parece especificar a ordem dos acontecimentos, isto é, Jesus Cristo "irá entregar o Reino ao seu Deus e Pai, depois de ter reduzido a nada todo governo, toda autoridade e poder". Obviamente, se todo governo e toda autoridade e poder fossem reduzidos a nada durante a guerra de Armagedom, ele (Jesus Cristo) teria que entregar o governo nesse mesmo momento , isto é, assim que ele tomou o poder. Vamos reler essas últimas linhas e tentar entender o seu significado, mesmo que "este significado" vá decididamente contra nossas convicções mais profundas. O versículo 25 diz: "ele tem de reinar até que Deus lhe tenha posto todos os inimigos debaixo dos pés". Isso parece significar que ainda haverá inimigos durante o reinado milenar. Assim, o Reino governado por Cristo será uma provisão temporária para o louvor de Jeová para levar a humanidade de volta à perfeição e isso também pode incluir a destruição dos últimos governos, autoridades e poderes, que acabarão por se recusar a se submeter. – Apocalipse 20:8 Quem realmente cercara o "acampamento dos santos"? Em Ezequiel capítulo 38, os versos a partir dos 8, diz-se que será dada atenção a Gogue de Magogue após "muitos dias" e, portanto, sugere que estes foram deixados de fora, que não são levados em consideração ou poupados durante o julgamento. Não parece uma contradição que Gogue de Magogue existe no final do sistema das coisas satânico e existe novamente no novo mundo no final do milênio? Não nos faz refletir que esta "coalizão das nações" tem o mesmo nome e, de fato, na descrição de Ezequiel, o assunto não muda? Se Gogue de Magogue é uma coalizão de nações, não parece estranho que as nações sejam formadas sob o reinado de Cristo? É uma contradição apenas se damos por certo que todos os governos e todas as pessoas são realmente destruídos no Armagedom. Evidentemente, Gogue de Magogue não existe novamente, mas ainda existe (ou seja, nunca deixou de existir). Se lhe prestar atenção depois de muitos dias, significa que ele é sempre ele e os "muitos dias" são todos os anos do reinado milenar. Gogue de Magogue sempre tem o mesmo nome porque é sempre o mesmo assunto. As pessoas que "acumulam riquezas e bens" são, obviamente, o povo de Deus (o "acampamento dos santos" de acordo com a Apocalipse) e isto indica as muitas bênçãos que o povo de Deus terá durante o reinado milenar e o contraste com outros povos ( por que especificar que existe um povo que acumula riqueza se todos acumulam a mesma riqueza?). Bênçãos que, aparentemente, Gogue de Magogue não terão, caso contrário, não haveria esse contraste e não haveria motivo para sentir inveja. – Ezekiel 38:12; compare Provérbios 10:22 Por que, além disso, haveria esse contraste com aqueles que nem sequer têm "trancas ou portões" se estivermos todos em um novo mundo de paz, sem ladrões ou outros criminosos? (Ezekiel 38:11) A escritura realmente parece indicar que, durante o reinado milenar de Cristo, ainda existem pessoas que têm trancas e portões e são, evidentemente, aqueles que nunca se interessaram pela vontade de Deus. Esta é a razão pela qual eles devem colocar trancas e portões e virar atenção aos seus próprios irmãos. Os eventos relacionados ao Gogue de Magogue, descritos nos capítulos 38 e 39 de Ezequiel, estão cheios de detalhes interessantes, mas uma das coisas que se destaca imediatamente é a distinção entre eles e Israel. Parece, portanto, que Israel, ou o povo santo de Deus, viverão juntos com esses outros povos por mil anos. – Ezequiel 39:6, 7 Neste ponto, a escritura de Isaías 2:2-4 adquire um significado particular. Até agora, aplicamos esta escritura a pessoas que, aceitando a verdade hoje, mudam de comportamento e "transformam as suas espadas em arados" tornando-se pessoas pacíficas. Nós também aplicamos a instrução que será dada aos ressuscitados no Novo Mundo, mas tentemos agora gravá-lo aceitando a possibilidade do que acabamos de descrever. Na parte final dos dias, o monte da casa de Jeová ficará firmemente estabelecido acima do cume dos montes, e será elevado acima das colinas, e todas as nações afluirão a ele. E muitos povos irão e dirão: “Venham, subamos ao monte de Jeová, a casa do Deus de Jacó. Ele nos instruirá sobre os seus caminhos, e nós andaremos nas suas veredas.” Pois de Sião sairá a lei, e de Jerusalém a palavra de Jeová. Ele fará julgamento entre as nações e resolverá as questões referentes a muitos povos. Eles transformarão as suas espadas em arados, e as suas lanças em podadeiras. Nação não levantará espada contra nação, nem aprenderão mais a guerra. O monte da casa de Jeová ficará firmemente estabelecido e será elevado. Quando? Evidentemente, quando o sistema de Satanás será eliminado e será claro que o jeito de governar de Jeová é o melhor de todos. "Todas as nações afluirão a ele"; em que sentido e quais nações? Muitas nações realmente têm afluido para o povo de Deus, por isso é possível que esta realização possa ter algo a ver com nossos dias; no entanto, é possível que, no final do Armagedom, os povos das nações que escaparam do juízo de Deus (os povos nos quatro cantos da terra) decidem se dirigir para o monte de Jeová. Após os incríveis acontecimentos do Armagedom, agora deve ser claro quem é o verdadeiro deus e quem é o povo dele. Assim também Jeová é santificado no meio das nações. Muitos povos irão e dirão: "Venha, subamos ao monte de Jeová, a casa do Deus de Jacó. Ele nos instruirá sobre os seus caminhos, e nós andaremos nas suas veredas", então isso é descrito como sua iniciativa e não como alguém que foi persuadido pela pregação das boas notícias. Na verdade, eles mesmos estão dizendo: "Ele nos instruirá sobre os seus caminhos". Podemos imaginar que muitas pessoas sobreviventes irão até ao monte de Jeová, uma vez que tenham visto os grandes sinais do Armagedom, abandonando sua antiga nação e fazendo as mudanças necessárias serem aceitas por Deus. – Compare Apocalipse 11:13 e Josué 9:8-11 No entanto, é fácil imaginar que, apesar desses sinais inequívocos da bênção de Jeová sobre o seu povo, nem todos irão decidir fazer parte disso. Muitas pessoas continuarão a permanecer em suas nações, com seus governos, recusando-se a se precipitarem para a montanha de Jeová. Visto deste ponto de vista, não é tão inacreditável imaginar que, no final do milênio, quando o povo de Deus acumulou riquezas e bênçãos sem fim, essas nações se organizam para "tomar muito despojo e espólio" – Ezequiel 38:10-12 Certamente, uma boa parte da humanidade morrerá durante a guerra do Armagedom, porque o governante do mundo se assegurará de ter o maior número possível de pessoas do seu lado, mas isso significará que todos os reinos e todas as pessoas serão destruídos, exceto por Cristãos? Mesmo aqueles reinos insignificantes e pequenos? Mesmo aqueles isolados do resto do mundo, como ilhas ou pequenos grupos étnicos, incluindo aquelas pessoas que, vivendo em países restritivos, nunca tiveram a oportunidade de conhecer as maravilhosas verdades da palavra de Deus? (Veja Ezekiel 39:6) Estas são perguntas a serem ponderadas. É verdade que a "boa notícia" foi pregada em toda a terra habitada antes do fim do sistema satânico, mas isso realmente abrange todas as pessoas e todos conseguiram as mesmas oportunidades? Além de qualquer hipótese humana, as palavras que devem nos fazer refletir mais são as relatadas em Daniel 7:11, 12. A escritura diz: "Então continuei olhando, por causa do som das palavras arrogantes faladas pelo chifre; olhei, até que o animal foi morto e seu corpo foi destruído e entregue para ser queimado no fogo. Quanto aos outros animais, tirou-se o domínio deles, e sua vida foi prolongada por um tempo e uma época". O que isso significa e quanto tempo dura "um tempo e uma época"? Enquanto isso, do contexto vemos que o chifre que fala de modo arrogante é referido ao "animal assustador e medonho", isto é, o último animal da visão de Daniel. É num período em que os "tronos são colocados" e "o Antigo dos dias" sente-se para julgar e, portanto, só pode se referir ao tempo em que Jeová e Cristo tomam o poder. (Apocalipse 11:15-18) Diz-se que o animal é morto e seu corpo é dado ao fogo. (Compare Apocalipse 19:19, 20) É evidente que a escritura se refere à fera selvagem do Apocalipse no momento do seu julgamento e ainda, depois de especificar que o animal é dado ao fogo (daí foi destruído), o versículo 12 diz: "Quanto aos outros animais, tirou-se o domínio deles, e sua vida foi prolongada por um tempo e uma época". Isso especifica muito claramente que os outros dominios não são destruídos, mas podem continuar a existir por algum tempo após o julgamento de Armagedom. Detenhamo-nos um momento e reler essas últimas linhas cuidadosamente comparando os escritos citados. De fato, se lemos Apocalipse 19:19-21 com cuidado, vemos que a fera, os reis da terra e seus exércitos se reúnem para fazer guerra contra Jesus Cristo e seu exército, mas quem é destruído entre todos esses? A escritura diz que a fera e o falso profeta são apanhados e lançados no lago ardente. Então, o versículo 21 diz: "os demais foram mortos com a longa espada que saía da boca daquele que estava montado no cavalo". Ao dizer "os demais", a visão se refere a reis, seus exércitos ou a ambos? Se também se refere a ambos, a escrita de Daniel especifica que os dominios desses reis são simplesmente removidos, não destruídos. Certamente, aqueles que morrem são aqueles que estão nessa posição (exércitos, generais ou reis), de fato, a escritura diz que "eles são mortos", mas não dizem que eles acabam no lago ardente. Sabemos que o lago ardente significa a segunda morte e esse é um lugar a partir do qual ninguém retorna, por isso temos a certeza de que a fera é destruída para não voltar novamente, mas "os demais" não são desarraigados da terra. Ainda não. Aqueles que estão travando a guerra contra o Cordeiro são mortos, mas, evidentemente, permanecerá algum dos seus reinos, isto é, as nações pertencentes a estos "demais" que receberam uma extensão por um tempo e uma época. Estes terão mil anos para se recuperar e pelo menos uma parte deles, bastante numerosos de acordo com as palavras de Apocalipse 20:8, atacará o povo de Deus no final do milênio. Gogue de Magogue existiu antes do Armagedom e existirá ainda mais tarde. Finalmente, como vimos, após a destruição desses inimigos ainda há "um último inimigo" a ser eliminado: a morte. (Veja I Corinthians 15:26) Isso confirma a seqüência de eventos do Apocalipse.
  2. Les chapitres 19 et 20 de Révélation dévoilent quelques détails significatifs sur la guerre d'Har-Maguédon et ce qui va se passer ensuite. Ces détails comprendront deux changements majeurs à la compréhension actuelle et ce "changement de vision" sera une véritable pierre d'achoppement pour de nombreux Témoins de Jéhovah. Ces chapitres seront examinés dans un prochain article mais, devant faire face à un changement de compréhension aussi sérieux pour deux autres sujets, il a été décidé de les traiter séparément à la lumière de l'ensemble des Écritures. Tout d'abord, nous devons réaliser que la Révélation parle de la résurrection à la fin du millénium, et non au cours du millénium. Cela sera traité en détail en temps voulu. Pour le moment, n'acceptez cette possibilité que pour rendre compréhensible le thème de cet article, qui doit répondre à la question "quelles nations disparaissent réellement à Har-Maguédon?". Il est clair que nous revenons ici au "problème" habituel, à savoir si le livre a été écrit dans l'ordre chronologique ou non; mais nous avons vu que les sept sceaux sont séquentiels, les sept trompettes doivent être séquentielles (l'apôtre Paul appelle la septième trompette "la dernière trompette”) ainsi que les sept bols de la fureur de Dieu: si tout cela est séquentiel, est-il cohérent de penser que les derniers chapitres ne le sont pas? Lisons tout le chapitre 20 de Révélation et suivons l'ordre des événements. Satan est délié de sa prison, puis égare les nations qui sont aux quatre coins de la terre, ces nations encerclent le camp des saints et sont ensuite dévorés par le feu qui descend du ciel. Après cet événement, la mort et la tombe rendent les morts qui s'y trouvent. – Révélation 20:11-13 Le passage de Révélation 20:5 dit que le reste des morts n’a pas pris vie jusqu’à ce que les mille ans soient achevés. Cela signifierait que durant ces mille ans les saints régneraient sur les survivants Har-Maguédon et leurs familles, mais pas sur les ressuscités. Le même terme, "jusqu'à", utilisé dans Matthieu 1:25, nous l'avons toujours utilisé pour montrer que Joseph n'avait pas eu de relations avec sa femme Marie jusqu'à la naissance de l'enfant. Cela devrait être suffisant pour montrer que la résurrection aura lieu après la fin du millénaire, un concept qui semble être répété dans les versets 12 et 13. Nous approfondirons ces versets, mais concentrons-nous maintenant sur ces "rebelles" qui attaquent le peuple de Dieu . Qui sont-ils? D'où viennent-ils? Or, dès que les mille ans seront achevés, Satan sera délié de sa prison, et il sortira pour égarer les nations aux quatre coins de la terre, Gog et Magog, pour les rassembler pour la guerre. Leur nombre est comme le sable de la mer. Et ils se sont avancés sur la largeur de la terre et ils ont encerclé le camp des saints et la ville bien-aimée. Mais du feu est descendu du ciel et les a dévorés. Et le Diable qui les égarait a été jeté dans le lac de feu et de soufre, où [se trouvaient déjà] et la bête sauvage et le faux prophète; et ils seront tourmentés jour et nuit à tout jamais. – Révélation 20:7-10 À la fin des mille ans, Satan est libéré pour "pour égarer les nations aux quatre coins de la terre" et les rassemble pour la guerre. Il semble vraiment incroyable que quelque chose comme çela arrive! Est-il possible que dans le nouveau monde les gens s'organisent encore en nations politiques, qu'ils créent des divisions et même qu'ils attaquent la partie du peuple restée fidèle? C'est la première hypothèse et représente grossièrement l'enseignement actuel. Avant de penser que c'est un non-sens, est-il possible de faire l'hypothèse que pendant la guerre d'Har-Maguédon une partie de la terre est épargnée aussi pour permettre la survie du peuple de Dieu? Dans plusieurs parties de la Bible, il est dit que pendant le jugement, ses fidèles s'échappent en trouvant refuge à Edom, Moab et Ammon (qui sont aussi les villes épargnées par la guerre mondiale – Comparez par exemple Daniel 11:41 et Ésaïe 16:4, Psaume 108:8-10 et Jérémie 40:10, 11). Ces trois nations (Edom, Moab et Ammon) étaient montueuses ou vallonnées, et cela rappelle les paroles que Jésus a dites à ses disciples. – Matthieu 24:15, 16 L'Écriture avertit-elle tous les chrétiens du monde de fuir vers les montagnes les plus proches dès qu'ils voient la chose immonde sur Israël? En effet, si la destruction de Babylone la Grande donnait naissance à Har-Maguédon (comme nous l'avons vu) et non à la grande tribulation, "fuir vers les montagnes" signifierait que Jéhovah sauverait ces montagnes par la force des choses. En fait, ces "montagnes" pourraient être une localité spécifique de la terre où Jéhovah conduira son peuple juste avant Har-Maguédon. Ce ou ces lieux seraient alors "préservés du jugement". Ce ne serait pas la première fois que Jéhovah, dans son amour et sa miséricorde, évite de détruire un certain peuple à cause de ses serviteurs. Selon le récit de Genèse 19:21, 22, les anges de Jéhovah évitent de détruire Zoar à cause de Lot, et pourtant, d'après ce que l'on comprend en lisant toute l'histoire, cette "petite ville" faisait partie de Sodome ou de Gomorrhe et donc aurait dû être détruite. La guerre d'Har-Maguédon détruit en fait le système satanique composé de la bête sauvage, du faux prophète et de ses partisans. Toutes les nations qui sont unies dans la lutte contre l'Agneau tombent aussi. La grande majorité des personnes meurt dans cette guerre parce qu'aveuglée et marquée par la bête sauvage mais tous ceux qui ne sont pas chrétiens vont-ils mourir? Jésus dit à la congrégation de Philadelphie qu'elle serait gardée "de l’heure de l’épreuve, qui doit venir sur la terre habitée tout entière" et pour que cela puisse être le cas, nous pouvons supposer que certains chrétiens trouvent refuge dans une "zone libre”. – Révélation 3:10 Si nous pouvons faire cette hypothèse, alors les nations qui, à la fin du millénaire, décident d'attaquer le peuple de Dieu pourraient naître de ces souches survivantes. Pourquoi, en effet, une distinction serait faite entre eux et "le camp des saints"? Tous les habitants du nouveau monde ne sont-ils pas saints? Dans le nouveau monde y aura-t-il un "camp des saints" et un "camp des non-saints"? Une autre confirmation pourrait venir de la protection même de la Jérusalem d'en-haut; il est dit qu'elle "s’envole au désert", "loin de la face du serpent". Quand Satan essaie de la faire engloutir, 'la terre vient à son secours' et cela signifie qu'au moins jusqu'au dernier moment du jugement divin, il y a encore une partie "stable" du monde. – Révélation 12:15 Cela pourrait aussi expliquer pourquoi la résurrection n'a pas lieu pendant ce millénaire; simplement parce que nous ne sommes pas encore dans ce nouveau monde que nous imaginons même si ce sera déjà un nouveau monde et que nous aurons déjà de nombreuses raisons d'être heureux. Nous devrions probablement faire une distinction entre "royaume millénaire" (qui apportera de nombreuses bénédictions à l'humanité fidèle) et "nouveau monde" qui commencera après la résurrection, au moment où le Christ rend le royaume à son Dieu et Père. Cette période pourrait simplement être une période de transition au cours de laquelle les êtres humains peuvent vivre en paix sans l'influence de Satan et sous la direction de l'enseignement divin pour tous ceux qui souhaitent obéir. En effet, l'une des questions que Satan a soulevées dans le jardin d'Éden était précisément que l'homme était capable de se gouverner lui-même, mais l'homme, avec l'intervention de Satan, n'a jamais vraiment régné seul. L'homme peut-il diriger ses pas sans Dieu et sans Satan? Cela aussi doit avoir une réponse. Ceci est lié aux paroles de Révélation 20:2, 3; Satan est lié "pour qu’il ne puisse plus égarer les nations" et cela est nécessaire pour donner une réponse définitive à la question posée en Éden. Cependant, si toutes les nations ont été détruites à Har-Maguédon, comment pourrait-il les égarer? Serait-il logique de dire que Satan est lié afin de l'empêcher d'égarer des nations qui n'existent plus? D'éventuelles nations des quatre coins de la terre, nées de ces souches épargnées, pourraient montrer si l'homme est vraiment capable de se gouverner dans des conditions favorables, c'est à dire sans l'influence de Satan. Après cette dernière rébellion humaine, qui aura consciemment montré qu'ils préfèrent le gouvernement de Satan à celui de Jéhovah, Satan et l'humanité désobéissante seront éliminés pour toujours. C'est seulement après la résurrection des morts et après leur jugement que "la mort et la tombe seront jetées dans le lac de feu". Devrions.nous donc supposer que, tout au long du millénaire, malgré des conditions favorables, nous continuerons à vieillir et à mourir? C'est impensable parce que les dirigeants oints rempliront leurs fonctions sacerdotales en expiant le péché de l'humanité et en empêchant ainsi la mort de leurs sujets. La mort, cependant, sera toujours à l'affut et pas encore définitivement éliminée jusqu'à la fin du millénaire. Ce sera "le dernier ennemi" à être éliminé en fait. Si à la fin du millénaire il y aura encore des "ennemis à éliminer" (les nations entourant le camp saint), cela devrait démontrer que la résurrection, et donc l'élimination définitive de la mort, n'aura lieu qu'après cet événement. (I Corinthiens 15:26) À cet égard l'écriture de I Corinthiens 15:24, 25, si elle est lue attentivement, semble spécifier l'ordre des événements, c'est-à-dire que Jésus-Christ "remettra le royaume à son Dieu et Père, quand il aura réduit à rien tout gouvernement et tout pouvoir et puissance". Évidemment, si tous les gouvernements et toutes les autorités et tous les pouvoirs étaient réduits à néant pendant la guerre Har-Maguédon, il (Jésus-Christ) devrait remettre le royaume à ce moment même, c'est-à-dire dès qu'il aurait pris le pouvoir. Relisons ces dernières lignes et essayons de comprendre leur signification même si “cette signification” va nettement à l'encontre de nos convictions les plus profondes. Le verset 25 dit: "il faut qu’il règne jusqu’à ce que Dieu ait mis tous les ennemis sous ses pieds". Cela semblerait signifier qu'il y aura toujours des ennemis pendant le règne millénaire. Ainsi le Royaume gouverné par Christ sera une provision temporaire à la louange de Jéhovah pour ramener l'humanité à la perfection et cela peut aussi inclure la destruction des derniers gouvernements, pouvoirs et puissances, qui refuseront finalement de se soumettre. – Révélation 20:8 Qui encerclera réellement le "camp des saints"? Dans le chapitre 38 d'Ezéchiel, à partir du verset 8, il est dit que l'on s'occupera de Gog de Magog après "de longs jours" et cela suggère donc que ceux-ci ont été omis, non pris en compte ou épargnés pendant le jugement. Cela ne semble-t-il pas contradictoire que Gog of Magog existe à la fin du système de chose satanique et existe encore dans le nouveau monde à la fin du millénaire? Cela ne nous fait-il pas réfléchir que cette "coalition de nations" porte le même nom et, en effet, dans la description d'Ézéchiel, le sujet ne change pas du tout? Si Gog of Magog est une coalition de nations, ne semble-t-il pas étrange que des nations se soient formées sous le règne de Christ? C'est une contradiction seulement si nous tenons pour acquis que tous les gouvernements et tous les peuples sont réellement détruits à Har-Maguédon. Evidemment, Gog de Magog n'existe pas de nouveau mais existe toujours (c'est-à-dire qu'il n'a jamais cessé d'exister). Si une attention lui est accordée après de longs jours, cela signifie qu'il est toujours lui et que les "longs jours" sont toutes les années du règne millénaire. Gog de Magog porte toujours le même nom car c'est toujours le même sujet. Le peuple qui "amasse fortune et biens" est évidemment le peuple de Dieu (le "camp des saints" selon la Révélation) et cela indique les nombreuses bénédictions que le peuple de Dieu aura durant le règne millénaire et le contraste avec les autres peuples ( pourquoi spécifier qu'il y a un peuple qui accumule la richesse si tous accumulent la même richesse?). Des bénédictions que, apparemment, Gog de Magog n'aura pas, sinon il n'y aurait pas ce contraste et il n'y aurait aucune raison de ressentir de l'envie. – Ézéchiel 38:12; comparer Proverbes 10:22 Pourquoi, d'ailleurs, y aurait-il un contraste avec ceux qui n'ont "ni barre ni portes" si nous sommes tous dans un nouveau monde de paix, sans voleurs ni autres criminels (Ézéchiel 38:11)? Le verset semble vraiment indiquer que, pendant le règne millénaire de Christ, il existe encore des peuples qui ont des barres et des portes et ce sont évidemment ceux qui n'ont jamais été intéressés par la volonté de Dieu. C'est la raison pour laquelle ils doivent mettre des barres et des portes et tourner leur attention vers leurs propres frères. Les événements liés à Gog de Magog, décrits dans les chapitres 38 et 39 d'Ezéchiel, sont pleins de détails intéressants, mais l'une des choses qui ressort immédiatement est la distinction entre eux et Israël. Il semble donc qu'Israël, ou le peuple saint de Dieu, vivra avec ces autres peuples pendant mille ans. – Ézéchiel 39:6, 7 À ce stade, l'Écriture d'Ésaïe 2:2-4 acquiert une signification particulière. Jusqu'à présent, nous avons appliqué cette écriture aux personnes qui, en acceptant la vérité aujourd'hui, changent leur comportement et "forgent leurs épées en socs" en devenant des personnes pacifiques. Nous l'avons aussi appliquée à l'instruction qui sera donnée aux ressuscités dans le Nouveau Monde, mais essayons maintenant de la relire en acceptant la possibilité que les choses soient telles que ce que nous venons de décrire. Et il arrivera sans faute, dans la période finale des jours, [que] la montagne de la maison de Jéhovah s’établira solidement au-dessus du sommet des montagnes, oui elle s’élèvera au-dessus des collines; et vers elle devront affluer toutes les nations. Oui, des peuples nombreux iront et diront: “Venez et montons à la montagne de Jéhovah, à la maison du Dieu de Jacob; et il nous instruira de ses voies, et nous voulons marcher dans ses sentiers.” Car de Sion sortira [la] loi, et de Jérusalem la parole de Jéhovah. Oui, il rendra jugement au milieu des nations et remettra les choses en ordre concernant des peuples nombreux. Et ils devront forger leurs épées en socs et leurs lances en cisailles. Une nation ne lèvera pas l’épée contre une nation, et ils n’apprendront plus la guerre. La montagne de la maison de Jéhovah sera fermement établie et sera élevée. Quand? Evidemment quand le système de Satan sera éliminé et qu'il sera clair que la façon de gouverner de Jéhovah est la meilleure. “Vers elle devront affluer toutes les nations"; Dans quel sens et quelles nations? Beaucoup de nations ont effectivement afflué vers le peuple de Dieu, il est donc possible que cette réalisation puisse avoir quelque chose à voir avec notre époque, néanmoins, il est possible que, à la fin d'Har-Maguédon, certaines personnes d'entre les nations qui ont échappé au jugement de Dieu (les peuples aux quatre coins de la terre) décident d'affluer vers la montagne de Jéhovah. Après les incroyables événements d'Har-Maguédon, il devrait maintenant être clair qui est le vrai Dieu et qui est son peuple. De cette manière, Jéhovah est sanctifié au milieu des nations. Des peuples nombreux iront et diront: “Venez et montons à la montagne de Jéhovah, à la maison du Dieu de Jacob; et il nous instruira de ses voies, et nous voulons marcher dans ses sentiers", ainsi cela est décrit comme étant leur initiative et non comme quelqu'un qui a été persuadé par la prédication de la bonne nouvelle. En effet, ils disent eux-mêmes "Il nous instruira de ses voies". Nous pouvons imaginer que beaucoup de survivants iront à la montagne de Jéhovah une fois qu'ils auront vu les grands signes d'Har-Maguédon, abandonnant leur ancienne nation et faisant les changements nécessaires pour être acceptés par Dieu. – Comparez Révélation 11:13 et Josué 9:8-11 Pourtant, il est assez facile d'imaginer que, malgré ces signes sans équivoque de la bénédiction de Jéhovah sur son peuple, tout le monde ne décidera pas d'en faire partie. Tant de gens continueront à rester dans leurs nations, avec leurs gouvernements, refusant de se précipiter vers la montagne de Jéhovah. Vu de ce point de vue, il n'est plus si incroyable d'imaginer qu'à la fin du millénaire, lorsque le peuple de Dieu a accumulé richesses et bénédictions à n'en plus finir, ces nations s'organisent pour "prendre un butin considérable" – Ezéchiel 38:10-12 Sûrement une bonne partie de l'humanité sera tuée pendant la guerre d'Har-Maguédon, parce que le chef du monde s'assurera d'avoir autant de personnes que possible de son côté, mais cela signifiera-t-il que tous les royaumes et toutes les personnes seront détruits excepté les chrétiens? Même ces petits royaumes insignifiants? Même ceux qui sont isolés du reste du monde, comme les îles ou les petits groupes ethniques, y compris ceux qui, vivant dans des pays restrictifs, n'ont jamais eu l'occasion de connaître les merveilleuses vérités de la parole de Dieu? (Voir Ézéchiel 39:6) Ce sont des questions à méditer. Il est vrai que la "bonne nouvelle" a été prêchée dans toute la terre habitée avant la fin du système satanique, mais est-ce que cela a vraiment englobé tous les gens et est-ce que tout le monde a vraiment eu les mêmes opportunités? Au-delà de toute hypothèse humaine, les paroles qui devraient nous amener à réfléchir davantage sont celles qui sont rapportées en Daniel 7:11, 12. L'Écriture dit: "Je continuai de regarder à ce moment-là, à cause du bruit des grandes paroles que proférait la corne; je continuai de regarder jusqu’à ce que la bête soit tuée, que son corps soit détruit et qu’elle soit livrée au feu brûlant. Mais quant au reste des bêtes, leur domination fut ôtée, et on leur donna une prolongation de vie pour un temps et une période.". Qu'est-ce que cela signifie et quelle est la durée d'"un temps et une période"? Par ailleurs, à partir du contexte, nous voyons que la corne qui profère de grandes choses se réfère à la bête "effrayante et terrible", c'est-à-dire la dernière bête de la vision de Daniel. Cela se déroule dans une période où "des trônes sont placés" et "l'Ancien des jours" s'assoit pour juger et ne peut donc se référer qu'au moment où Jéhovah et Christ prennent le pouvoir. (Révélation 11:15-18) Il est dit que la bête est tuée et son corps est livré au feu brûlant. (Comparer avec Révélation 19:19, 20) Il est évident que l'écriture se réfère à la bête sauvage de la Révélation au moment de son jugement et pourtant, après avoir spécifié que la bête est livrée au feu brûlant (et donc, qu'elle est détruite), le verset 12 dit: "Mais quant au reste des bêtes, leur domination fut ôtée, et on leur donna une prolongation de vie pour un temps et une période". Ceci précise très clairement que les autres dominations ne sont pas détruites mais il leur est permet de continuer à exister pendant un certain temps après le jugement d'Har-Maguédon. Arrêtons-nous un instant et relisons ces dernières lignes en comparant soigneusement les versets cités. En fait, si nous lisons attentivement Révélation 19:19-21, nous voyons que la bête sauvage, les rois de la terre et leurs armées se rassemblent pour faire la guerre à Jésus Christ et à son armée, mais qui est détruit parmi tous ceux-là? L'Écriture dit que la bête sauvage et le faux prophète sont attrapés et jetés dans le lac de feu. Ensuite, le verset 21 dit: "le reste a été tué par la longue épée de celui qui était assis sur le cheval". Quel reste? Il y a deux sujets en jeu: les rois de la terre et leurs armées. En disant "le reste", la vision se réfère-t-elle aux rois, à leurs armées ou aux deux? S'il se réfère aussi aux deux, l'écriture de Daniel précise que les dominations de ces rois sont simplement ôtées, pas détruites. Certes, ceux qui meurent sont ceux qui sont dans cette position (armées, généraux ou rois). En effet, l'Ecriture dit qu'ils sont "tués" mais ne dit pas qu'ils finissent dans le lac de feu. Nous savons que le lac de feu signifie la seconde mort et que c'est un endroit d'où personne ne retourne. Nous avons donc l'assurance que la bête sauvage est détruite pour ne pas revenir, mais le "reste" n'est pas déraciné de la terre. Pas encore. Ceux qui mènent la guerre contre l'Agneau sont tués, mais évidemment il restera quelque chose de leurs royaumes, c'est-à-dire, les nations appartenant à ce "reste" qui ont reçu une extension pour un temps et une période. Ceux-ci auront un millier d'années pour se reprendre et au moins une partie d'entre eux, assez nombreux selon les paroles de Révélation 20:8, attaquera le peuple de Dieu à la fin du millénaire. Gog de Magog existait avant Har-Maguédon et existera encore plus tard. Enfin, comme nous l'avons vu, après la destruction de ces ennemis, il reste un "dernier ennemi" à éliminer: la mort. (Voir I Corinthiens 15:26). Cela confirme la séquence des événements de la Révélation.
  3. Let us prepare ourselves for the machinations of Satan!

    In reverse. The people of God is the one who bears His name (Jehovah) and preaches throughout the inhabited earth. This is the people that must be disciplined for not having strictly adhered to the Word of God and having gone "beyond what is written" on more than one occasion. The discipline, paradoxically, shows that it is precisely the people of God. Judgment begins from the house of God - 1 Peter 4:17 This judgment, or purification, did not take place in 1918 or 1919 and in no other date in the past. About to arrive. However, unlike the man of illegality, at the end of the discipline the people of God will be brought back under the protection and mercy of Jehovah. Instead the man of illegality will be completely destroyed. All those who "enjoy" in seeing the discipline of God's people will suffer judgment in due course.
  4. Let's start with a logical assumption. Satan is much smarter and more powerful and has much more experience than us. He is our main adversary and his purpose is to "devour us" - 1 Peter 5: 8 To do this, as we all know, he uses every means at his disposal and one of his "favorite" weapons is lying, deception - Hebrews 2:14; John 8:44 It 'easy to expect that, as he nears the end of his activity, he intensifies his efforts to mislead us - Revelation 20: 2, 3 As we have seen from the previous articles which spoke of the false prophet, Satan is about to prepare his best weapon for his expulsion to the earth - Revelation 13:11 We know that religion will not disappear as many of us have imagined (as it is not Babylon the Great) but will undergo a remarkable "skin change" - compare 2 Corinthians 11: 13-15 If this is correct, we can hypothesize what could happen in the near future also by comparing what has already happened, in the past, that has diverted many of us. Many of us fail to accept the change of identity of Babylon the Great mainly for two reasons. To begin with it is one of the doctrines taught with more conviction by the WTS and then, let's face it, it is an almost romantic figure. Knowing many details of what religion has done over the centuries, including torture and burnings, wars, the killing of many sincere scholars of the Bible, the immorality of its exponents, the bonfires of the translated Bibles ... in short, each of us wondered when Jehovah would ask for the bill. To come to know that these organizations could be compared to a prostitute who would have been mauled and burned ... well ... this have filled our hearts with a just sense of righteous justice - Matthew 5: 6 In fact, the end that will make "the man of illegality", in the role of the false prophet, will not be very different even if the subject and the performer change drastically - Revelation 19:20 The point is that to break away now from this emblematic and strong figure is difficult because it touches our emotional part. We pay attention to this. If the scriptural references used to derive the identity of Babylon the Great are incorrect or their application is incorrect, then it is right to re-discuss and see if there is another possibility. If anyone is able to disprove with logic and the Scriptures all the steps to identify Babylon as Great as the modern nation of Israel, let it be - Proverbs 15:22; 1 Thessalonians 5:21 It should interest us only the biblical message - compare Matthew 10:37 If, on the other hand, the scriptural references are clear and specific, they do not contradict each other and somehow disprove or cast a shadow over the old understanding, instead of doing somersaults to try and prove our preconceived ideas ( in practice, forcing the Scriptures) we should simply abandon our "affections" and embrace the Truth of God's Word - John 17:17 Let's do an honest self-examination and evaluate the Scriptural reasons that prevent us from accepting a change of vision (whatever it is). Satan could exploit our desires, including our preconceived ideas, to completely mislead us - Genesis 3: 6 The apostle Paul said that Satan would use the man of lawlessness with every powerful work, signs and portents of lies and "every unjust deception" - 2 Thessalonians 2: 9. 10 Satan could use our preconceptions, not only our desires? We have already seen how Satan could do this through the false prophet (ie the man of the illegality of the end time, after the expulsion of Satan on earth) but now we will see how he could do it before, leaving for a moment the portents and concentrating on the concept of "every unjust deception". Obviously we can not know in detail what Satan will invent soon because of the assumptions made at the beginning. The warnings of the Lord, in fact, are generic. Although He has spoken of false Christs and false prophets and great signs, he does not specify what will actually combine our arch-enemy. The point is that we must be ready and have the means to do so: the Bible, our mental faculties and the help of the Holy Spirit - 1 Peter 5: 9; Romans 12: 1; Ecclesiastes 7:12; Luke 11:13 1 Peter 5: 9 says that in order to resist Satan, we must be solid in faith, and how can we be solid in faith if we do not carefully study the Word of God? Romans 12: 1 explains that our sacred service includes our faculty of reasoning and Ecclesiastes adds that knowledge is a protection that can keep us alive. Thus we see that understanding the prophecies (like the rest of the Bible) is not a race between human beings; it's not something to be taken lightly and to be able to say "let's wait and see who's right" because it's about life. Even the usual phrase, which often turns between brothers, who says that "the prophecies will understand them only when they are fulfilled" is superficial and dangerous. Meanwhile, we debunk a common place: Daniel understood before their expiry the duration of the years of Babylonian exile by carefully studying the scriptures - Daniel 9: 1, 2 (see footnote *) So the prophecy, to define itself as "prophecy", must be understood before its coming true otherwise it would make no sense; it would be a prophecy without the dignity of prophecy - Amos 3: 7 And besides, things "do not fall from above", we will not be stopped by an angel who will tell us what will happen if what happens is already written in the Bible. Jehovah has already revealed His purpose; we must study the Word of God, in the likeness of the prophet Daniel, if we at least hope to understand something. Having established this we try to make a series of hypotheses on what Satan could actually invent to mislead God's people. In a previous article we discussed chapters 7 and 8 of Daniel and we saw how one might come to think that these are two completely different subjects, times and prophecies (the article is titled "Four armageddon or one only?"). To complicate the understanding of the prophecy we have thought "the secular history" because if we read the events related to Antiochus IV Epiphanes many details emerge that could make us think that the description made by Daniel applies to him and his period of action. In this way even a good part of chapter 11 would be fulfilled with the Maccabees, "the people who know their God" and so on. We know that these arguments are forced and absolutely false and we can say this in the light of the Scriptures that clearly identify the Prince of the army, also known as Prince of the Princes, as the one to whom sacrifices were made and made - Compare Daniel 8:25 with Daniel 8:11 There are also other reasons that lead us to reject in the strongest terms Judah Maccabee and Antiochus IV Epiphanes, as many details of the prophecy that would fall simply into thin air, but including those who had turned the sacrifices should be more than enough for a careful scholar of the Bible. The question we should ask ourselves, however, is quite different. Why have so many similar things happened in the past that have led many sincere Jews to believe that Daniel's words applied to them in the past? Obviously we can not know if Satan was behind all this but we can not even exclude it. Recall that Satan has existed for thousands of years so he can afford to make long-term plans. The repercussions of this understanding come to us because they influence the time in which we are living and that we risk not recognizing. Let's see if there is a prior or are simply outlandish hypothesis. These articles have re-discussed, among others, the understanding related to 1914 and to do so we simply used the Scripture (one of these posts is titled "Chronology, interpretation, speculation"). Many sites and blogs, also of a polemical nature, have re-discussed 1914 as the date when Christ would have been crowned as King, but in general the arguments relate to secular dates, historical relics, etc. These sites have emphasized that the date of departure from which to count these fateful "seven times" is wrong because it is not supported or just denied by history. First of all, we must acknowledge that these discussions can have a certain value among historians, but between us, Christians, these things has a relative value. To begin with, history is not an "exact science" as mathematics could be because it is based on findings that are often incomplete and to which we must also give an interpretation (just think of what the scholars say about the age of man) . In fact, on the same "find" different scientists give different interpretations and it is certainly not the majority or the most "noble" to establish the truth. For absurd, for how many tests can come to light proving that the date used as a starting point to calculate the seven times is wrong, the WTS could be right. We can speak of a reasonable conclusion, of numerous proofs in favor of ... but not of certainty. We take note of an inconvenient truth: we were not there. We Christians, however, have something more than the historical findings or a team of scientists in tow: we have the Word of God. So we can say that 1914 is wrong not because the date from which to start the calculation is wrong (which would simply move the question of twenty years or so) but because the Bible does not talk about that. Simple. Having said this, however, here too we must take note that many things that have happened since 1914 onwards are very similar to the description that the Bible makes of the last days (meaning just the last few). That year, the greatest war that humanity had known until then broke out - Matthew 24: 6 As a consequence of the war, hunger, disease and despair are spreading everywhere - Luke 9:11 Big bombs like the two atomic bombs, which were seen hundreds of kilometers away, are actually "scary visions from the sky and great signs". Jehovah's Witnesses are being persecuted practically under all the Communist, Fascist and "democratic" regimes - Matthew 24: 9 Moral values suffer a sharp decline in all sectors of society - 2 Timothy 3: 1-5 Besides these things happens even more that almost "obliges" Christians to believe and to confirm 1914. The League of Nations (1920) is born. Let's stop for a moment. If the League of Nations is the scarlet savage beast described in Revelation, then there is very little to discuss. Since in Revelation this beast falls into the abyss only one time and then ascend, there is no other possibility than to apply and start the prophecies of Revelation from 1914 or from a date close to 1914. The book of Revelation is clear: the scarlet beast falls into the abyss and then goes up again. There are no other falls before its final destruction - see Revelation 17: 8 Let us imagine living in that period and let us honestly ask ourselves how many of us would not have believed we were living in the "last days" and to receive the reward shortly thereafter. This experiment is born, a political-military agglomeration as never had been tried in the history and the brothers observe. It really looks like the scarlet beast of Revelation! If it is that, however ... it must fall into the abyss after a certain period. Among other things, it is understood that the reason why this beast falls into the abyss is precisely the outbreak of war. What happens? Less than two decades after war breaks out such an extensive and violent to pass the 1914 absolutely secondary. And the League of Nations, because of its nature, can be said to fall ** (see footnote). What should we deduce from these reflections? All these events do not seem a bit 'too much to be pointed to the case? There are many, too many elements and they all seem to fit together. What to say, then? Are we still convinced that the 1914 date is wrong? The only way to understand it is by studying the Word of God with dedication and without preconceptions. By studying the Bible it is understood that if it is true that many things seemed to fit together, it is equally true that many others did not. At the time of the resurrection of the scarlet colored beast there had to be only one dominant power (compare Revelation 13: 3, 4, Daniel 11:39, 40, 45) but after the Second World War there were still so many powers. When would there have been this proclamation or a hint of "peace and security" if the cold war began immediately afterwards? These and other details should have made the brothers of the time reflect that "something did not return" but, as mentioned, considering such remarkable events and apparently in harmony with the Scriptures, we would probably have fallen for all. It is not difficult to imagine who has been behind all this or we can not exclude it. If all these events have not been random, our ability to reason allows us to hypothesize what could happen in the near future. In the article dedicated to the trumpets of Revelation (it is called "Jehovah's Wounds Against False Prophets and Trouble for the Earth") we have seen that Jehovah's judgment will be directed principally against His own people but could also include exponents and organizations of Christendom . We pay attention to this. Can Satan use this situation to implement his umpteenth "unjust deception"? Absolutely, because this fits perfectly with the "style" of its past deceptions - compare 1 Corinthians 15:12 Let's think for a moment: what is the event that the vast majority of us are waiting with trepidation? The destruction of "Babylon the Great" is not it? For "Babylon the Great", obviously, the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses mean the worldwide empire of false religion. Imagine that the United Nations (or the king of the north or Islamic extremists or anyone else) now initiates a targeted persecution of all religions by blowing up many famous places of worship *** (see footnote) ). What would the majority of us think? It's obvious. The great tribulation has begun! We must not even make a big effort of imagination because this is exactly what happened during the first and then the Second World War. The brothers imagined that these wars would "culminate" in Armageddon. We pay close attention and try to understand the profound reasons why we believe in what we believe in - 2 Corinthians 13: 5; 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Let us not be caught up in events. The war that is about to break out (because it is about to break out) will not lead to Armageddon and any generalized persecution of religions will have nothing to do with Babylon the Great. Let us also ask ourselves this question: if we can not re-discuss the identity of Babylon the Great now, will we succeed in doing so when the scriptures seem to fulfill according to our preconceptions? - Jeremiah 23: 21-23 Let's make sure, then, of what we believe in because understanding prophecy is not a secondary question, it is of our life exactly as it was of the life of the first Christians. Satan is certainly able to turn us around like socks and turn around as and when he wants but we have the Bible and the help of Jehovah himself - Proverbs 18:10 Let us not allow our emotionality or our desires to have the upper hand over our faculties of reasoning. We must study the Bible! - compare Matthew 4: 5-7 The only possibility that Satan can use such a method to continue to mislead the majority of us should put us at attention and make us feel a serious responsibility. All those, many or few, who have conscientiously shared the articles of "attentioelaprofezia", that is to say those who have passed the articles to the scrutiny of Scripture and have found them in harmony with it, have a moral obligation to make the possible to warn their brothers about what is going to happen and about what could happen. What happened in the first and second world war can constitute a precedent to help each of us to be prepared and ready - Ephesians 6: 14-18; 2 Kings 6:16, 17 Footnotes. * Some, to show that the posthumous understanding of the prophecies is a scriptural evidence, point to the event that occurred to the early Christians at the time when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem. Since they could not understand how to "escape the mountains", they reason, the prophecy must be understood only after its fulfillment. Things are not like that and we see why. When we talk about "understanding the prophecies" it is obvious that we refer to those prophecies written in signs. Otherwise there would be nothing to understand, but only to obey. It is evident that the Bible contains many prophecies (ie descriptions of future events) that were not written in signs. When Jonah preaches to the ninevites saying that their city would be destroyed he mentions a prophecy. If the ninevites had not repented, Jehovah's words spoken through Jonah would simply be fulfilled. The ninevites did not have to make any effort to understand those words. They did not have to study or meditate to understand. They simply had to take the warning to heart his words and, in fact, repent. In the same way, the warning that Jesus gave his disciples were clear and strong instructions: “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,+ then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.+ 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,+ let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her" – Luke 21:20, 21 This is the prophecy and they understood it well. The fact that, when it began to come true, Christians found themselves imprisoned and so they obviously asked "how they would have escaped to the mountains", this has nothing to do with understanding it. Jehovah made sure that the armies withdrew, thus creating the opportunity for true Christians to escape. On the contrary this prophecy should make us reflect on our commonplaces. We hypothesize that the Lord's words had not been so clear, if he had actually used a symbolic language for which they would have to study and commit themselves to understand His words. We also imagine that they were called "understand his words only after their fulfillment" what would have happened? The answer is obvious: everyone would have died. ** Although we use to say that the League of Nations fell at the outbreak of the second war this is to be considered true only on the basis of the stated objectives. If the League of Nations was born to prevent war, it is clear that failing to prevent the Axis powers' aggression this proved all its limitations and for this reason we can say that it "fell". However, it did not fall literally because it was only dissolved in April 1946 and that is, it continued to exist until the end of the war. Then League of Nations and United Nations (the latter established in October 1945) coexisted for almost six months and in fact it was decided to continue the activity of the League of Nations parallel to that of the United Nations, a project that obviously failed. Moreover, the League of Nations was more sanctionary and political, but it did not have armies, and this too could have made one think that it could not have been the scarlet beast of Revelation. *** Since we know that Satan is about to give life to the false prophet, or an evolution of the man of illegality, he may not have any interest in keeping old religions and old places of worship alive. Let us not be amazed, then, if the world events should resemble those described by the scarlet-colored wild beast as it shatters, devours and burns completely in the fire.
  5. Which nations disappear in Armageddon?

    Everything is possible. I may have received a blow on the head and believe that I was enlightened. I could have delusions of omnipotence. Everything is possible, dear Tom. But the point is that one does not have the will to examine every affirmation with the Bible. Everything is thrown into confusion. How old I am, where I come from, what my personal experiences are. I could also be a cocky but until we go to see, really, what the Bible says, you can never know (and it is risky for those who do not deepen). Really the last comment, though. For DeeDee who studied the book "What the Bible really teaches". I guess that to convince you that it was the truth you had to take the Bible and compare all the Scriptures, did not you? You did not become a sister because of what was written in the book "What the Bible really teaches" but because of what is written in the Bible, is not it? So you did not make the Bible "an idol" (whatever that nonsense means) but you made the Bible a guide. And we must also love the Bible because it is the gift that Jehovah has given to humanity. Only the biblical knowledge allows you to truly love it and receive eternal life - John 17: 3 I want to clarify only one point and then I disappear. I also know that the name of God is Jehovah and I have learned many things exclusively thanks to God's people (this). I do not underestimate all this. I have not said that this is not the people of God nor that it is necessary to "change religion". However, exactly as happened in the past, this people will undergo a strict discipline for not seeking God completely. This people will undergo a discipline for having raised the words of some men above the Bible itself. As I have already said, since you do not want to deepen these affirmations for "do not commit mortal sin", we will only have to wait. I agree with Anna: those who truly love God will survive.
  6. Which nations disappear in Armageddon?

    Thank you. I believe that at this point we have reached a turning point in our conversations. Probably this will be my last speech on this topic. I'm sorry I believed you thought I was under 35. It does not really matter. As I wrote, only the arguments matter. I do not understand how it is possible to "make the Bible an idol". You can make the Bible an idol only if you adore the image; if you make a "light", you kiss it and similar things. How is it possible to make the Bible an idol simply by studying it carefully? "loving Jehovah and wanting to please Jehovah by doing his will": and how is it possible to please Jehovah and do his will if you do not study His Word carefully? David said "How I love your law! All day is my concern!" - Psalm 119: 97 "Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners+And does not sit in the seat of scoffers.+ 2 But his delight is in the law of Jehovah,+And he reads His law in an undertone* day and night.+ 3 He will be like a tree planted by streams of water,A tree that produces fruit in its season,The foliage of which does not wither. And everything he does will succeed" - Psalm 1:1-3 Try to look for all those servants of God who have expressed similar thoughts. I should deduce from your reasoning that all these people made the Bible an idol. " We must also ask ourselves if we are DOING Jehovah’s will or Satan’s will". Well, only by studying the Bible carefully can we make sure that we are striving (at least, striving) to do God's will - Matthew 4: 5-7 Or do you believe that there is a better and higher degree of authority that can tell you if you are doing the will of God or that of Satan? If you are convinced that I am doing the will of Satan (if the example you did not do it by chance) then there is only one way to prove it. Through the Bible (oh sorry ... I'm just an idolater!) - 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 "Do you not TRUST that if Jehovah wants to know a truth, that he WILL make that truth known to all of us?" Oh, I have total trust in Jehovah. He will fulfill His will without doubt. I also believe that He does not oblige anyone to study the Bible thoroughly. I also believe that He can also use the last of us; even the most insignificant person. Furthermore, I also believe that everything we need is written in the Bible. The will of God will be fulfilled with us or without us. We may have the privilege of understanding it, studying the Bible, or not understanding it (deciding not to study it). Since "God is not partial" I believe that he gives you the opportunity to ascertain all things but will not oblige you to do so. So yes, I want to reassure you in this respect. Both have the same trust: Jehovah will make His Will known. Unfortunately for those who have not really studied the Bible, this discovery could be painful. Even if Jehovah does not need anyone to fulfill His purposes, those who study the Bible understand that they have a serious responsibility. Talk to your brothers, first of all. I do not even consider myself one prophet. I am noone - Galatians 6: 3; Romans 3:23 But I imagine that the nation of Israel will have told Ezekiel: "Why are you bothering us? Do you not trust that Jehovah can make His Will understand without you? Do you have faith in Jehovah?" Do you know what we can do? An incorrigible idolater tells you this: to study the Bible and evaluate whether these topics are worthy of attention or are "Satan's will". "MY QUESTION FOR YOU is: Should we spend more time on “STUDYING” his Word than we do “EXERCISING” our faith and “DOING” the will of Jehovah?" Well, thank you for the question. Are you already sure that I am not doing God's will? Are you already convinced that I do not go into service (for example) or that I do not work on my faults? I want to answer you with a question. How can we become "doing the will of God" if we do not study the Word carefully? Do you know what the near future holds? Of course, you will say "I know it" because he told you "the faithful and discreet slave". I tell you, as "the idolater of the Bible", that it says there will be a war between the king of the north and the king of the south (yes, in the near future). I also tell you that proscription in Russia is a clear and specific biblical prophecy that was to be fulfilled and is not the usual "hate problem on the part of nations". The war that will break out (yes, the third world war) will end with the victory of the king of the north (NOT the king of the south). Because of this victory, the proscription of the preaching work will spread throughout the world. But a member of the governing body said, "They did not stop the Nazi concentration camps and they did not stop the communist labor camps, they will not be able to stop the work of Jehovah." So we can be calm, right? Instead the Bible says the exact opposite. The king of the north will block the preaching work and "win" at least for a while. This can be true or it can be false. You know something, then? The Bible says to "try inspired expressions" and then we wait and see - 1 John 4: 1 When you see these things happening, perhaps you will remember that presumptuous one who was idolising the Bible. Surely you will reflect on these conversations. Jehovah will make you know His will (for the next discipline that will fall on the People of God will be by His will) and then you will be right. Jehovah will make known to all of us His will. But perhaps it was better to understand the will of God first. Perhaps it was better to understand God's will when we had the right time - Joel 1: 1-8 I have nothing more to add to this discussion. As long as it is possible I will continue to post my articles based on the Bible. Who will want to read them, will have the opportunity to read them. Who will not want ... well each one decides for himself. Meanwhile, I'll tell you what will happen soon. The preaching work will be prohibited in all countries of the ex Soviet Union (stay to watch). The king of the north will launch an attack on Israel (first they will only be strong denunciations and after military attack). This will lead to war between the king of the north and the king of the south. Obviously the brothers will say that "the great tribulation has begun" (exactly as it happened in the first and then in the second world war). As the king of the north wins victories, the work of Jehovah's Witnesses will be banned in other nations. If you had studied the Bible, instead of parroting "Let's just wait for the scream of peace and security and then attack the false religion" you would know what is about to happen. Good awakening to everyone - Isaiah 28:21, 22
  7. Which nations disappear in Armageddon?

    Dear DeeDee, I thank you, of course, for your concern and your advice. Meanwhile, I want to tell you that I'm not a young man. I am not less than 35 years old. I have been baptized for 27 years (so, as you can imagine, I did not get baptized at age 8). I did not want to answer the question "if I was under 35" because this question distracts from the content of the articles. I want the attention to be placed on the contents and on the Scriptures of the articles and not on the person who writes. If all the talk is put on "You are young, you are inexperienced", then you lose the importance of the topic. However, that I have 20 years or 50 or 99 concepts do not change. My words do not become "right" or more "wrong" according to my age. The only thing we need to understand is whether they are in harmony with the Bible or not. The Bible was written for young people and also for older people. You have made a correct quotation: we must love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. But I would like to ask you a question: where do we learn about the personality of God? Through what we learn to know God better? Through what do we learn about God's way of thinking and acting? We learn all this through the Bible, it's true? I want to ask you another question. Can we honestly say that we love God if we do not love His Word? Is not this concept the same reproach we make to the people of the world? In field service we often meet devoted people who say they love God. It's not true? What objection do we make to these people? "Whoever loves God, strives to know him better". Or "He who loves God manages to overcome his own traditions and convictions if they are not in harmony with the Word of God". We must also make an honest critique and ask ourselves if we ourselves, ourselves, have not become the victim of a tradition or of prejudice - compare Romans 2:21, 22; 2 Corinthians 13: 5 Finally the scriptures you mentioned I could mention them too, is not it? I have full confidence in Jehovah. If I relied on my intelligence, then I would not consult the Bible. If I relied on my intelligence I would not look for answers in the Bible, do you think? I would simply do what I want, without doing research in the Bible, without meditating, without praying. Does it seem to you that what I have written up to now has not referred to the Bible? Of course I can be wrong, like all human beings. However, I invite you to reflect that you have not read the article I posted to you (the one titled "Death really cancels sin"). Or maybe you read it but you did not mention a single writing, just one application. You have not contested any part of the article in merit. I would have been happy that you had answered the question: "When Paul says that we are dead with Christ, does he mean it literally? Or when he says that "we were buried with Christ "does he mean it literally?" Or I would have liked you to have answered the question: "Is it the death that erases the sins or the sacrifice of Christ?" Do you know why this happened? is it possible (only possible) that you focused on the fact that I was "under 35" and so I needed advice? Obviously even a 90-year-old can need advice. We are all imperfect and limited. However the only really important thing is that every "thesis" is supported by the Scriptures. If what I wrote is wrong, the right thing to do would help each other to understand what the Word of God really teaches. I am ready to review and retract everything. Are you really willing to do it anyway? Or the fear of discovering that something that has been taught to us is wrong prevents us from getting closer to the Word of God (and therefore to God)? is it possible (only possible) that we love our tranquility more? Yet we should be happy if Jehovah, in his undeserved kindness, will allow us to understand more. Even though I'm over 35, I do not scold anyone. I invite only to reflect on the example of the Israelites of the past. As you know, at a certain point, they stopped ascertaining the will of God. They had the temple, the priests. They were unquestionably the People of God. Was this sufficient to avoid discipline? "Be sure of everything" is not bad advice, is not it? "Keep on trying if you are in the faith and what you yourselves are". Those who love God with all their heart, mind and strength, seek Him in His Word and are not afraid to clash with the judgment of the majority. And those who want to live in holy devotion will also be persecuted. I wish you with all my heart that you can have the humility to question yourself regardless of who tells you it is 20 or 99 years old. Regardless of who tells you it is "an overseer" or the smallest and most insignificant among the brothers - Matthew 11:25, 26
  8. Which nations disappear in Armageddon?

    Death really erases the sins? One consequence of the fact that the resurrection takes place at the end of the millennium is asking the question of what basis will be judged resurrected . So far we have been taught that the resurrected would be judged based on what they would do after their resurrection , that is, over a long period in the kingdom of Christ. The apostle Paul once said ... "I have hope toward God ... that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" - Acts 24:15 Because Paul harbored the hope that there was a resurrection for the unjust who, if they were only judged by their past actions, would then killed? Probably these "rolls" will contain many details of the life of people and perhaps will add detailed instructions on how to proceed, evaluating and mitigating the causes, and it is reasonable to believe that there might also be a probationary time for at least some of them. We have no particular about it, but Jehovah is the Righteous Judge and certainly will make sure that all those worthy have a chance to live and be happy - Compare Matthew 10:15 and Luke 10:13, 14 However, the Bible book of Revelation teaches that the resurrection will occur at the end of the millennium and not during, and so we must acquiesce to the Scriptures. The writing is said that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were not finished - Revelation 20: 5 " As long as" means "up to the moment when" and not "during" and this would appear to suggest that these thousand years, elected would reign on the survivors of Armageddon and their families but not on any resurrected. The same term, "long" used in Matthew 1:25, we always used to demonstrate, to supporters of virginity of Mary, Joseph had no intercourse with his wife until the birth of the child (and this indicates that after this birth Mary and Joseph consummated marriage as any other married couple). This should be enough to prove that the resurrection will occur after the end of the millennium , a concept that seems to be repeated in verses 12 and 13. If this is correct, how should we understand the words of Paul described in Romans 6: 7 that "he who has died has been acquitted from their sins"? If the death has been absolved from sin ... why then it was judged on the Day of Judgment, or the resurrection, according to the things written in the scrolls? This apparent contradiction has led to think that the Day of Judgment would take place in reality throughout the millennial reign of Christ and will be judged on what people would have done during this period . The duration of the kingdom of Christ would be in harmony with the concept of "day" expressed in the Scriptures - II Peter 3: 8 Death erases really sin? However, analyzing the context of Romans chapter 6 it is not clear at all that the Judgment does not occur on the basis of what has been done when he was alive. Paul, in fact, speaking of the anointed says he "died with reference to sin" and who were baptized into Christ's death. He also says that they were "buried with him" by baptism and that baptism constituted, in effect, a "newness of life." It 'clear that Paul is using figurative language because no Christian, anointed or not, is buried with Christ . In other words it seems that Paul is saying that only sin no more, that is proving to be dead about life previous sinful and demonstrating faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ , it is free from judgment. Verse 8 also says "we have died with Christ" and "we believe that we shall also live with him" but of course Paul was not really dead, or with Christ or to anyone else. He and several others had died compared to their previous life and now lived a "newness of life". Having decided to be dead from the previous life he and the others had been "delivered from their sin." This is in harmony with the words of Jesus when he said that those who would listen to his word and exercised faith in Him would not go to trial - John 5:24 Also, if the death sin was canceled, how should we understand the words of Revelation 6:10? In this scripture it speaks of the souls of the just who apply to be vindicated, but it is assumed that the perpetrators of these Christians have died long ago. If the death the sin of the perpetrators has been extinguished ... on what basis can they cry out revenge? And who should retaliate this revenge if there are no more sinners? Even other writings help to shed light on this aspect. Referring to those cities who would not have heard the message, Jesus said that on the Day of Judgment would be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for them - Matthew 10:14, 15; Matthew 11: 20-24 Why it would be more "tolerable" for Sodom and Gomorrah O Tire and Sidon, though the death sin would be canceled and the resurrection would all again from scratch? In the same principle we can reason about what is said in Revelation 14:13. The writing refers to Christians and says, "Happy are the dead ... because the things they did go right with them." If good things are retained in Jehovah's memory even after death, it is not reasonable to believe that this happens for the rest? Matthew 12:36 says, "I tell you that every word unprofitable that men have said give account on the Day of Judgment." If we read only what is written without trying articulated interpretations, you understand that "have said" is the past, of course, referring to what has been said in this life and not what they could mean in the future (in fact, Jesus He is condemning the Pharisees who have just asserted that he drive out demons by Beelzebub). Of this they realized the Day of Judgment. In Matthew 23: 33-36 Jesus condemns the nation of Israel, especially the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy and violence and says "that is on you all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you assassinaste between the sanctuary and the altar. " How could anyone ask for the blood of Abel and of all those who died later if their murderers were dead and then become sinless? In 2 Timothy 4:14 the apostle Paul said, "Alexander the coppersmith has brought me much evil - Jehovah will repay him according to his works." Jehovah would have made according to his works when? Before his death, that is, in the first century? Perhaps Jehovah intervened to punish all the persecutors of Christians in the first century? Is it not clear that the apostle Paul is saying that Jehovah would remember the works of this Alessandro on Judgment Day? From these writings it is clear that death does not automatically delete the sin but I will only do the Jehovah's Judgment - Compare Revelation 18: 5 As Romans 6:23 says the wages sin pays is death, and so, even if the death repay the debt, they need to remain in death . This means that their eventual resurrection, however, should answer for their sins because, indeed, have not remained in that condition. In fact the word "salary" and "pays" fit perfectly into this concept. Report post Posted November 7, 2017 Death really erases the sins? One consequence of the fact that the resurrection takes place at the end of the millennium is asking the question of what basis will be judged resurrected . So far we have been taught that the resurrected would be judged based on what they would do after their resurrection , that is, over a long period in the kingdom of Christ. The apostle Paul once said ... "I have hope toward God ... that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" - Acts 24:15 Because Paul harbored the hope that there was a resurrection for the unjust who, if they were only judged by their past actions, would then killed? Probably these "rolls" will contain many details of the life of people and perhaps will add detailed instructions on how to proceed, evaluating and mitigating the causes, and it is reasonable to believe that there might also be a probationary time for at least some of them. We have no particular about it, but Jehovah is the Righteous Judge and certainly will make sure that all those worthy have a chance to live and be happy - Compare Matthew 10:15 and Luke 10:13, 14 However, the Bible book of Revelation teaches that the resurrection will occur at the end of the millennium and not during, and so we must acquiesce to the Scriptures. The writing is said that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were not finished - Revelation 20: 5 " As long as" means "up to the moment when" and not "during" and this would appear to suggest that these thousand years, elected would reign on the survivors of Armageddon and their families but not on any resurrected. The same term, "long" used in Matthew 1:25, we always used to demonstrate, to supporters of virginity of Mary, Joseph had no intercourse with his wife until the birth of the child (and this indicates that after this birth Mary and Joseph consummated marriage as any other married couple). This should be enough to prove that the resurrection will occur after the end of the millennium , a concept that seems to be repeated in verses 12 and 13. If this is correct, how should we understand the words of Paul described in Romans 6: 7 that "he who has died has been acquitted from their sins"? If the death has been absolved from sin ... why then it was judged on the Day of Judgment, or the resurrection, according to the things written in the scrolls? This apparent contradiction has led to think that the Day of Judgment would take place in reality throughout the millennial reign of Christ and will be judged on what people would have done during this period . The duration of the kingdom of Christ would be in harmony with the concept of "day" expressed in the Scriptures - II Peter 3: 8 Death erases really sin? However, analyzing the context of Romans chapter 6 it is not clear at all that the Judgment does not occur on the basis of what has been done when he was alive. Paul, in fact, speaking of the anointed says he "died with reference to sin" and who were baptized into Christ's death. He also says that they were "buried with him" by baptism and that baptism constituted, in effect, a "newness of life." It 'clear that Paul is using figurative language because no Christian, anointed or not, is buried with Christ . In other words it seems that Paul is saying that only sin no more, that is proving to be dead about life previous sinful and demonstrating faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ , it is free from judgment. Verse 8 also says "we have died with Christ" and "we believe that we shall also live with him" but of course Paul was not really dead, or with Christ or to anyone else. He and several others had died compared to their previous life and now lived a "newness of life". Having decided to be dead from the previous life he and the others had been "delivered from their sin." This is in harmony with the words of Jesus when he said that those who would listen to his word and exercised faith in Him would not go to trial - John 5:24 Also, if the death sin was canceled, how should we understand the words of Revelation 6:10? In this scripture it speaks of the souls of the just who apply to be vindicated, but it is assumed that the perpetrators of these Christians have died long ago. If the death the sin of the perpetrators has been extinguished ... on what basis can they cry out revenge? And who should retaliate this revenge if there are no more sinners? Even other writings help to shed light on this aspect. Referring to those cities who would not have heard the message, Jesus said that on the Day of Judgment would be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for them - Matthew 10:14, 15; Matthew 11: 20-24 Why it would be more "tolerable" for Sodom and Gomorrah O Tire and Sidon, though the death sin would be canceled and the resurrection would all again from scratch? In the same principle we can reason about what is said in Revelation 14:13. The writing refers to Christians and says, "Happy are the dead ... because the things they did go right with them." If good things are retained in Jehovah's memory even after death, it is not reasonable to believe that this happens for the rest? Matthew 12:36 says, "I tell you that every word unprofitable that men have said give account on the Day of Judgment." If we read only what is written without trying articulated interpretations, you understand that "have said" is the past, of course, referring to what has been said in this life and not what they could mean in the future (in fact, Jesus He is condemning the Pharisees who have just asserted that he drive out demons by Beelzebub). Of this they realized the Day of Judgment. In Matthew 23: 33-36 Jesus condemns the nation of Israel, especially the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy and violence and says "that is on you all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you assassinaste between the sanctuary and the altar. " How could anyone ask for the blood of Abel and of all those who died later if their murderers were dead and then become sinless? In 2 Timothy 4:14 the apostle Paul said, "Alexander the coppersmith has brought me much evil - Jehovah will repay him according to his works." Jehovah would have made according to his works when? Before his death, that is, in the first century? Perhaps Jehovah intervened to punish all the persecutors of Christians in the first century? Is it not clear that the apostle Paul is saying that Jehovah would remember the works of this Alessandro on Judgment Day? From these writings it is clear that death does not automatically delete the sin but I will only do the Jehovah's Judgment - Compare Revelation 18: 5 As Romans 6:23 says the wages sin pays is death, and so, even if the death repay the debt, they need to remain in death . This means that their eventual resurrection, however, should answer for their sins because, indeed, have not remained in that condition. In fact the word "salary" and "pays" fit perfectly into this concept. If because of my debts I had to sell my property (so paying back my debts) can not take back what I sold. If i resuming the money I sold the property just to eradicate that debt , I would be back in debt. The only way to recover those properties in a lawful is that someone pay instead of me giving me back the properties . In fact the writing of Romans 6:23 ends with the words ... "but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord." Christ paid the debt for us, allowing us to not remain in death or giving back the life that we had legally lost - Compare Matthew 18: 23-27 However this seems to suggest that the Day of Judgment will not automatically mean the destruction of sinners, and it is probably no coincidence that Jesus used the word "bear" - Matthew 10:15 By harmonizing the words of Paul, who harbored the hope that there would be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous, we can assume that it will be a period which governs, in extreme cases will lead to ultimate death, while everyone else will consist in a probationary period, more or less long and more or less hard, which will aim to achieve salvation - Compare Matthew 5:25, 26 There are many indications about it and then we do not go beyond what is written but in fact the book Revelation makes it clear that the resurrection will occur at the end of the millennium (not during), and that people will be judged on what you You are found written. How they will weigh the individual sins of each individual is not known, but we are grateful that Christ Jesus to judge and not a simple man! He being the image of God, we can be sure that his judgment will be just and right - Deuteronomy 32: 4; John 5:21, 22; 8:15, 16 Let's try to address this question too. Is death to eliminate sin or is it the sacrifice of Christ? More information came out in the conversation shown here https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/47137-does-death-really-erase-sins/ Please do not respond after 5 minutes because it will be clear that you have not read the scriptures.
  9. Which nations disappear in Armageddon?

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    La morte cancella davvero i peccati? Una conseguenza del fatto che la risurrezione avviene alla fine del millennio sta chiedendo la questione di quali basi saranno giudicati risorto . Finora c'è stato insegnato che il risorto sarebbe giudicato in base a quello che avrebbero fatto dopo la loro resurrezione , che è, per un lungo periodo nel regno di Cristo. L'apostolo Paolo ha detto una volta ... "Io ho in Dio la speranza ... che ci sarà una risurrezione sia dei giusti che degli ingiusti" - Atti 24:15 Perché Paolo nutriva la speranza che ci fosse una resurrezione per gli ingiusti che, se fossero stati giudicati solo dalle loro azioni passate, avrebbe poi ucciso? Probabilmente questi "rotoli" conterrà molti dettagli della vita delle persone e magari aggiungerà le istruzioni dettagliate su come procedere, valutare e mitigare le cause, ed è ragionevole credere che ci potrebbe essere anche un momento di prova per almeno alcuni dei loro. Noi non abbiamo particolari su di esso, ma Geova è il giudice giusto e sicuramente farà in modo che tutte le persone degne hanno la possibilità di vivere ed essere felici - Confronta Matteo 10:15 e Luca 10:13, 14 Tuttavia, il libro biblico di Rivelazione insegna che la risurrezione avverrà alla fine del millennio e non durante, e quindi dobbiamo accettare le Scritture. La scrittura è detto che il resto dei morti non tornò in vita finché i mille anni non furono finiti - Rivelazione 20: 5 " Fino a quando" significa "fino al momento in cui" e non "durante" e ciò sembrerebbe suggerire che questi mille anni, eletti avrebbe regnato sui sopravvissuti di Armageddon e le loro famiglie, ma non su qualsiasi risorto. Lo stesso termine, "lungo" usata in Matteo 1:25, abbiamo sempre usato per dimostrare, ai sostenitori della verginità di Maria, Giuseppe non ha avuto rapporti sessuali con la moglie fino alla nascita del bambino (e questo indica che dopo questa nascita di Maria e Joseph consumato il matrimonio come qualsiasi altra coppia di sposi). Questo dovrebbe essere sufficiente a dimostrare che la resurrezione avverrà dopo la fine del millennio , un concetto che sembra essere ripetuto nei versetti 12 e 13. Se questo è corretto, come dovremmo comprendere le parole di Paolo descritti in Romani 6: 7 che "colui che è morto è stato assolto dai suoi peccati"? Se la morte è stato assolto dal peccato ... perché allora è stato giudicato nel Giorno del Giudizio, e la risurrezione, secondo le cose scritte nei rotoli? Questa apparente contraddizione ha portato a pensare che il giorno del giudizio sarebbe avvenuto in realtà in tutto il regno millenario di Cristo e verrà giudicato su quello che la gente avrebbe fatto in questo periodo . La durata del regno di Cristo sarebbe in armonia con il concetto di "giorno" espresso nelle Scritture - II Pietro 3: 8 Segnala Post Pubblicato 7 novembre 2017 La morte cancella veramente peccato? Tuttavia, analizzando il contesto di Romani capitolo 6 non è chiaro a tutti che il giudizio non si verifica in base a quanto è stato fatto quando era vivo. Paolo, infatti, parlando della Unto dice che "è morto con riferimento al peccato" e che sono stati battezzati nella morte di Cristo. Dice anche che sono stati "sepolti con lui" di battesimo e che il battesimo costituivano, in effetti, una "novità di vita." E 'chiaro che Paolo sta usando un linguaggio figurativo perché nessun cristiano, unto o no, è sepolto con Cristo . In altre parole, sembra che Paolo sta dicendo che solo non peccare più, che sta dimostrando di essere morto sulla vita precedente peccaminosa e dimostrando fede nel sacrificio di riscatto di Cristo , è libero dal giudizio. Il versetto 8 dice anche "siamo morti con Cristo" e "crediamo che anche vivremo con lui," ma ovviamente Paolo non era veramente morto, o con Cristo o per chiunque altro. Lui e molti altri erano morti rispetto alla vita di prima e ora vissuto una "vita nuova". Avendo deciso di essere morto dalla vita precedente lui e gli altri erano stati "liberati dal loro peccato." Questo è in armonia con le parole di Gesù quando ha detto che coloro che vorrebbero ascoltare la sua parola e esercitato fede in lui non sarebbe andato a processo - Giovanni 5:24 Inoltre, se il peccato la morte è stata annullata, come dovremmo comprendere le parole di Rivelazione 06:10? In questa scrittura si parla delle anime dei giusti che chiedono di essere rivendicato, ma si presume che gli autori di questi cristiani sono morti da tempo. Se la morte il peccato degli autori si è spenta ... su quali basi si può gridare vendetta? E chi dovrebbe vendicarsi questa vendetta se non ci sono più peccatori? Anche altri scritti aiutano a far luce su questo aspetto. Facendo riferimento a quelle città che non avrebbe sentito il messaggio, Gesù disse che il giorno del giudizio sarebbe più sopportabile per Sodoma e Gomorra che per loro - Matteo 10:14, 15; Matteo 11: 20-24 Perché sarebbe più "tollerabile" per Sodoma e Gomorra o Tiro e Sidone, anche se il peccato la morte sarebbe stato annullato e la risurrezione sarebbe tutto di nuovo da zero? Nello stesso principio si può ragionare su ciò che viene detto in Apocalisse 14:13. La scrittura si riferisce a cristiani e dice: "Beati i morti ... perché le cose che hanno fatto andare a destra con loro." Se le cose buone vengono conservate in memoria di Geova anche dopo la morte, non è ragionevole credere che questo accade per il resto? Matteo 12:36 dice: "Io vi dico che di ogni parola inutile che gli uomini hanno detto renderanno conto nel giorno del giudizio." Se leggiamo solo ciò che è scritto senza cercare interpretazioni articolate, si capisce che "hanno detto" è il passato, naturalmente, riferendosi a quanto è stato detto in questa vita e non ciò che potrebbe significare per il futuro (in effetti, Gesù ha è condannando i farisei che hanno appena affermato che lui guidare i demoni per Beelzebub). Di questo si sono resi conto nel giorno del giudizio. In Matteo 23: 33-36 Gesù condanna la nazione di Israele, in particolare gli scribi ei farisei per la loro ipocrisia e la violenza e dice "che è in voi tutto il sangue giusto sparso sulla terra, dal sangue del giusto Abele fino al sangue di Zaccaria figlio di Barachia, che si assassinaste tra il santuario e l'altare. " Come si può chiedere il sangue di Abele e di tutti coloro che sono morti in seguito, se i loro assassini erano morti e poi diventare senza peccato? In 2 Timoteo 4:14 l'apostolo Paolo disse: "Alessandro il ramaio, mi ha portato molto male -. Geova gli renderà secondo le sue opere" Geova avrebbe fatto secondo le sue opere quando? Prima della sua morte, cioè, nel primo secolo? Forse Geova intervenne per punire tutti i persecutori dei cristiani nel primo secolo? Non è forse chiaro che l'apostolo Paolo dice che Geova avrebbe ricordato le opere di questo Alessandro sul Giorno del Giudizio? Da questi scritti è chiaro che la morte non cancella automaticamente il peccato, ma farà solo del giudizio di Geova - Confronta Rivelazione 18: 5 Come Romani 6:23 dice che il salario che il peccato paga è la morte, e così, anche se la morte ripagare il debito, hanno bisogno di rimanere nella morte . Ciò significa che la loro eventuale resurrezione, tuttavia, dovrebbe rispondere per i loro peccati, perché, in effetti, non sono rimasti in quelle condizioni. In realtà la parola "salario" e "paga" si inseriscono perfettamente in questo concetto. Se a causa dei miei debiti ho dovuto vendere la mia proprietà (in modo da ripagare i miei debiti) non può riprendere quello che ho venduto. Se i riprendere i soldi che ho venduto la proprietà solo per sradicare quel debito , sarei tornato in debito. L'unico modo per recuperare le proprietà in modo lecito è che qualcuno paga invece di darmi indietro le proprietà . In realtà la scrittura di Romani 6:23 si conclude con le parole ... "ma il dono che dà Dio è la vita eterna in Cristo Gesù, nostro Signore." Cristo ha pagato il debito per noi, che ci permette di non rimanere la morte o restituire la vita che avevamo perso legalmente - Confronta Matteo 18: 23-27 Tuttavia, questo sembra suggerire che il Giorno del Giudizio non significherà automaticamente la distruzione dei peccatori, ed è probabilmente un caso che Gesù ha usato la parola "orso" - Matteo 10:15 Armonizzando le parole di Paolo, che nutriva la speranza che ci sarebbe stata una risurrezione sia dei giusti che degli ingiusti, si può supporre che si tratterà di un periodo che governa, in casi estremi porterà alla morte definitiva, mentre tutti gli altri saranno consistere in un periodo di prova, più o meno lungo e più o meno duro, che avrà lo scopo di raggiungere la salvezza - Confronta Matteo 05:25, 26 Ci sono molte indicazioni su di esso e poi non vanno al di là di ciò che è scritto, ma in realtà il libro dell'Apocalisse chiarisce che la risurrezione avverrà alla fine del millennio (non durante), e che le persone saranno giudicati su quello che si sono trovati scritto. Come si pesano i singoli peccati di ogni individuo non è noto, ma siamo grati che Cristo Gesù per giudicare e non un semplice uomo! Egli è l'immagine di Dio, possiamo essere sicuri che il suo giudizio sarà giusto e retto - Deuteronomio 32: 4; Giovanni 5:21, 22; 08:15, 16 Una cosa è chiara come bene. È la morte per cancellare il peccato o è il sacrificio di Cristo? Altre informazioni è venuto fuori nella conversazione mostrato qui https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/47137-does-death-really-erase-sins/ Per favore non rispondere dopo 5 minuti perché sarà chiaro che non avete letto le Scritture.
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    Dear DeeDee, I know this writing and I also know its context. Do you know the context well? Since this topic has already been discussed, perhaps you should take the time to read what has been written, is not it? Try reading what has been written. Rate the scriptures and then give me your objection
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    Thank you. Perhaps I understood your objection (at least part of your objection). The writing says that "thrones were placed to judge the dead" - Revelation 20: 4 In the meantime, no one has said that "we are left to the betrayal" for a thousand years because these thrones are put exclusively to judge the dead. Obviously the elect are elected a long time before (to the sound of the 7° trumpet, in fact). They will be "kings and priests" and they will lead the people of God from Armageddon onwards. As you can see, there is no contradiction in this. What will the dead be judged on? This question, unfortunately, starts with an incorrect intention. Does death really erase sins? The point is exactly this. Will the dead be judged by what they "do" (future) or what they will do when they were alive? This topic was discussed here https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/47137-does-death-really-erase-sins/ If we take the arguments one by one, you will see that there is no contradiction. Obviously I do not expect you to give the reason. I expect you to compare the Scriptures without preconceptions Thank you
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    Dear John Houston, I can hardly understand what you have written. Unfortunately my English is not good. I want to isolate a sentence that I may have understood. Perhaps your objection is: "If the dead are resurrected after the destruction of Satan, what will they be judged? What proof will they have?". it's correct?
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    Dear TrueTomHarley, have you gone from criticizing my posts to get to give me advice on how to "put me better" in front of others? Well, I thank you for this and I will take your advice to heart. In the next article I will write I will only ask a series of questions. Can I count on your Scriptural answers? I do not find myself indispensable and if I "end up under a truck", I am sure that other people (before me or after me, and perhaps better than me) would raise the same issues, the same "problems". This is one more reason to focus on the contents of a speech and not on the person. I agree with you that the most important thing is to be focused on the example of Christ. This is undoubtedly the most important and perhaps the most difficult thing to achieve. I must point out that one aspect of Christ's personality (among many other aspects) was love for the Word of God. I do not think I have "arrived" or even a "right" person. I have so many things that I must improve and what I have understood (if I have understood it) is thanks exclusively to the undeserved kindness of God. Also for this reason I feel like my duty to speak to my brothers, despite the difficulties and criticisms, of these things. I believe that it is very important. I thank you for the Scriptural examples you mentioned and I thank you sincerely for the concern you show towards me. I assure you that I take great care not to become a victim of my own speeches. I question myself very often. Simply, my love for the Word of God urges me to look for answers in the Bible, only in the Bible. If I am convinced through the Scriptures that certain of my conclusions are wrong, I assure you that I change immediately and even everything. I have no interest, no one, to make me followers. If you have an important message to give to people, you try to do it, is not it? You try to give this message even if you know it will be "hard to accept" is not it? I assure you that I would have spared many "headaches" if I had avoided writing certain things. it is much easier to "keep quiet" than to start certain conversations. So I thank you very much for your advice on how to start a conversation. I will take these advice to heart but I will continue to talk about the things I have understood because this is true respect for the Word of God. And indeed I encourage all those who read this message to participate in the conversation not "to cheer a team" nor starting from the principle to establish "who is right" but only with the aim of better understanding some prophecies of the Word of God. And, be it clear, this also includes the possibility of having to accept (only the possibility) some truths that are very different from those that have been taught to us. To accept, one must be mature. Thanks again, TrueTomHarley, and so I hope I can start a frank and respectful conversation only with the Word of God.
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    Dear TrueTomHarley, I focus on the most important words you wrote. My criticism of the "governing body" has nothing to do with "lack of respect" or "denigration". I do not understand why you have to confuse a (even strong) criticism with the lack of respect. What we can not understand is that we have two different concepts of respect. Always saying "yes, you're right" is a form of respect? Really? Or is it a form of formal worship? I have respect for those who have a great responsibility, but this does not mean that they have to recognize everything they say or do. Finally it is a question of balance. I try to explain the point. In my study of the Bible I come to understand some things (maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong but in honest conscience). As long as the interpretations of the governing body are secondary, I can also "make ends of nothing". When some interpretations in my opinion (perhaps wrong) are not in harmony with the Scripture, what should I do? According to you I should "shut up" because "they deserve respect". My total and unconditional respect is addressed to the Word of God. it's clear? This means that if a teaching goes against the Word of God (even if done in good faith) I give precedence to the Word of God. I have dedicated myself to Jehovah, do you understand? I have not dedicated myself to the "faithful and discreet slave", not to "jw.org" not to "warwick" or anyone else. I have learned from the Bible that you must study personally and accurately, and you must draw your conclusions once you have meditated and prayed. My conclusions (right or wrong) are that many brothers have become "idolaters" because they have elevated "commands of men" over the same Bible! The things you wrote are true only in a small part. I did not look for a probable idolatry and then find it in the Scriptures. the opposite has happened. To see that many brothers take a picture with the character of the governing body, or that they buy the medallion with the inscription "YHWH", or that they buy flags or t-shirts with the inscription "jw.org" it makes me sick (it's true ) but it does not make me stumble. Do you know why I do not stumble over these things? Because I had read in the Bible that this would happen. I speak of biblical understanding. mine is not "a protest" or a revolution. Mine is exclusively a biblical research and my attempt is to bring attention to the Bible. Also I would like to point out something. speaking with DeeDee I wrote clearly (it's just an example) that the apostle Paul identifies the trumpet related to the spiritual resurrection as "the last trumpet". I would be happy to have a conversation, without preconceptions, to understand if Revelation is written chronologically or not. I have published many articles on this blog. Has there ever been a constructive conversation? Have we ever entered the subject in an attempt to understand what the Bible says? Or have our "conversations" stopped at "you are not the faithful and discreet slave" or "are you an apostate" or "you can not have the biblical understanding" and similar things? Who is the idolater? Every day we are encouraged to "study the Bible" but what does this mean in your opinion? Does it mean "study the Bible only if your conclusions are in harmony with the Governing Body"? My personal experience counts for nothing and it is not because of my personal experience that I started making these articles. On the contrary: these are my research without preconceptions, in the light of the Scriptures. I consider the Bible the only authority and so you too. However, there are other "authorities" that prevent you from carefully examining the Scriptures. There are the "masters of the Law" who claim to be the only ones to understand it. There are those who say "Yes is right" or "No, it's wrong". Do you really believe that these articles of mine are "born" from the fact that I saw hypocrisy and idolatry in some brother? Absolutely not. Do you believe that I have "mounted my head"? Absolutely not. Interpretations belong to Jehovah. I do this because it is a responsibility. Then, of course, you can believe what you want. Some people (but I would dare to say "many") consider the guide (which is only a middle) as the ultimate end of worship. The copper serpent was a loving provision by Jehovah that the people would not die but after a few years became an idol. You are really sure that the medium that would lead us into the "promised land", did not become an idol? You are free to think about what you want but when we turn off our faculties of perception and consider the words of men equal or superior to the Bible, this is idolatry. Jesus, who was the most knowledgeable person ever existed, said many times "is written". You say, practically always, "The faithful and discreet slave says" even if what he says strides with the Word of God. Everyone makes their own assessments. I am nobody and I can not judge anyone. Jehovah is the just judge, only him. If you are convinced of "studying the Bible without preconceptions", agree. The right thing to do would be to help each other but this is not possible because every "criticism" is seen as "lack of respect".