DefenderOTT

Arauna wrote:
Wrong. They ended in October, 539 BCE when Cyrus' armies conquered Babylon, called the king of Babylon to account by killing Belshazzar and taking over his empire, and installed the Persian empire as ruler of the Near East -- all of which events are described clearly in the Bible.
But you don't actually believe the Bible -- you believe Mommy Watch Tower.
You've failed to cite a single scripture to support your claims. Rather, you've just made bald assertions.
Your description of events is essentially correct, but your conclusion directly contradicts Daniel 5, as I have repeatedly shown.
Correct.
AlanF

1.   After initial fall of Jerusalem: 10,000 princes, 7000 mighty warriors, and every craftsman and metal worker  which were 1000 -  2kings 24:11-16 - He left the poor behind. A separate number of high ranking MEN are named in 2 Kings 24:14 and these numbered 3,023
Did you notice something about all these numbers?  They were only the family heads (men).  The children and wives were not numbered.
2.     After approximately 10 years (in 607) - Most of the remaining ones were removed from the land -  2Kings 25:11 it is described as "the rest of the population".
I do not know where you got your "scholarly ' information - but it is not accurate!
Additionally - 
Ezekiel 1:1 Now it happened in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
Verse 2: In the fith year of exile of Jehoiachin the word of Jehovah came to Ezekiel by the river Chebar…….
Some of the first captives were already living at Chebar! 
 
3.  The tablets you mentioned above - I quote: 
“The tablets shed light on the Judeans’ contributions, detailing taxes paid, debts owed, credits accumulated and trade in fruits and other commodities.”
These commodities will include agricultural produce, flax (for linen clothing) and food for many animals - which will include animal husbandry.    I have a peeve with you - you think if you keep on denying something and ignoring something it will become true.   What was the root cause for the exile.... please answer...... their religious disobedience or was the reason that God had a whim to put them in a foreign land for no reason at all?      

It's amazing how predictable many JW apologists are -- too ignorant to participate in the topic, so they resort to taking potshots (ad hominems) at the ones who are intelligent enough to participate.
AlanF

Hmm! Ok. Let’s let’s pretend that you know exactly what Jesus thoughts were, by putting words into his mouth, and he didn’t consider the prophecies of the Old Testament. Do you believe in the Gentile Times as Jesus did? If so, where would you place this infamous 1260? You sight 33CE. Is this your starting point, *IF* you believe in Jesus words?

Romans 11:25

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

Luke 21:24

24They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Let's start keeping it short. There’s too much ignorance thrown in the mix by AlanF, with his attempts to look smart instead of the biggest fool.

The usual complete gobble-de-goop. Barely even English.
AlanF

allensmith28
This is nonsense. Dan. 9:1,2 refers to the 'first year of Darius' and the 'first year of his reign' which either preceded Cyrus's 'first year' or concurrent with it. This is an important chronological datum which should not be ignored because it is located in that immediate historical context for the dating of the Return. The later texts of Ezra and Josephus are superfluous to the dating of the Return which should only be confined to Ezra 1:1-3:6 which is the historical context.
scholar JW emeritus

Alan F is correct in that the scenarios for both 538 and 537 BCE are similar so in theory what works for one should work for the other. However, the 538 scenario in order to work Cyrus' Decree must have been given in the first month in his 'first year' but the Chronicler does not state what month it was. Further, 2 Chron. 36: 22 and Ezra 1:1 refers to this Decree as a proclamation to be made throughout the kingdom which required the use of heralds making known the Edict which would require time even before journey preparations could be made. The other problem is the first year of the reign of Darius which either preceded the reign of Cyrus or concurrent with it so this would mean that the Decree could only have been made either late in 538  or before the spring of 537BCE
scholar JW emeritus
 

The identity of Darius the Mede is immaterial to the question of the date of the return of the Jews to Judah. Sufficient information is given in Ezra and Josephus.
AlanF

allensmith28
The Watch Tower Society would have us believe that the six or seven month interval from Adar or Nisan, 537 BCE month 12 or 1, until Tishri, 537 BCE, month 7 according to its tabulation would be of sufficient time for the Jews to return home with a four-month journey inclusive. Now if ones' imagination cannot accommodate such a hypothesis then it must also be considered that the Jews prior to Adar or Nisan would have been in an anticipatory or preparatory frame of mind with some preparations already in hand. Now, this of course is an interesting scenario but if the Society demands such an indulgence proving 537 BCE for the Return then how is it the case that it refuses to believe or to concede the possibility that the Jews could have easily returned the previous year in 538 BCE?
See Insight, Vol. 1, "Captivity", p. 417, which states:
<< Early in 537 B.C.E., Persian King Cyrus II issued a decree permitting the captives to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple. (2Ch 36:20, 21; Ezr 1:1-4) Preparations were soon under way. With the direction of Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Jeshua, “the sons of the Exile” (Ezr 4:1), . . . made the trip of about four months. . . By the seventh month, in the fall, they were settled in their cities. (Ezr 1:5–3:1) >>
AlanF

Continuing to entertain us.
AlanF

LOL! Sometimes it's fun to see how the abysmally ignorant try to say something sensible.
The above is fairly typical: I certainly didn't say that to Scholar.
More abysmal reading comprehension on display.
AlanF

Nana Fofana wrote:
 
I thought last week's WT lesson might apply to why the land had to be desolated for 70 years despite Manasseh  repenting and being allowed to live longer and continue as king, even though-
The land did not have to be desolated at all, much less for 70 years. Do you not accept what the Bible says about this?
"'the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,' declares Jehovah, 'to cultivate it and dwell in it.'" -- Jer. 27:11.
AlanF

Hmmmm......I beg to differ. How about we both ask a number of friends a simple question at the KH this Sunday or in a field service group: "do you know how to explain why we believe 1914 and 607?"
In any case, it looks like you are trying to evade the question by implying that understanding how we come to 1914 (and 607) requires too much time and that one has better things to do (which actually confirms what I said, that most don't really know) and also you are detracting from the question by implying that those who do this, are really just trying to discredit the Slave and score points for themselves on a discussion forum.
I can't say anything about what was said under another heading, but I do know that the question that arose a number of times was if WT accepts 537, then why does it not accept 587, if both dates are verifiable by the same astronomical/historical l sources.
I am not here to score points either, (and if anyone is, well then they are to be pitied because what real value does collecting points from complete strangers who have no impact on your real, outside the internet, life have?). I am not trying to prove the Slave are deceivers,  but how would you explain to someone what I posted earlier but you never commented on. It was in answer to your comment:  " Faith is important - but Jehovah knew that us simple folks - we always need small steps to look forward to and he lovingly gave it to us.... and what is more.. the proof of the pudding is the eating....... world events since 1914 has proven that it is a 'reality'...... We will soon be seeing the last prophecies regarding Babylon the great, the call to peace and security...and the 8th king in action.... as a matter of fact - religions seem to be riding the beast as we speak...."  And my reply was:
"BUT that does not mean the dates and numbers and lengths of periods we simple folks put together are always correct are they? What has happened to the millions that were not supposed to die? (they did). What has happened to the generation that was not supposed to pass away? (they have, practically) What has happened to the children that were not supposed to even finish school in this system? (they did, and they have children of their own). What has happened to the world that can't get any worse? (it did, and still might)".
Religions seem to be riding the beast as we speak, but there have been many signs before that, that actually turned out NOT to be the sign
To be fair, this topic here "607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported" really does call for secular,/scholarly knowledge because it is an academic subject.  No matter how noble feelings are, they still have no impact on whether something is true or false. And I cannot somehow connect a date with love for Jehovah, especially if there is a possibility that the date could be completely erroneous.
I think those people have been paying attention to the signs on the ground. Probably since they first learned about them.
Indeed, the Amaharets.  And it is a consolation to me that even if we are totally wrong about Christ's enthronement in 1914 and it takes another 2000 years for Armageddon to come, surely Jehovah will look upon us that we, the Amaharets, did our best to follow in the footsteps of Christ, by preaching the Kingdom and by living our life in harmony with God's moral standards. Surely Jehovah will recognize that the majority of Christ's sheep are unable to verify or understand everything the Bible, or what the Slave presents, like the Beoreans were able to. I can't imagine a missionary in Peru being overly concerned about Neo Babylonian chronology. Surely it is sufficient that these ones have verified the fundamental truths. And those who desire and are able to delve deeper into the academic side of this particular issue, and in all honesty find discrepancies with 607, surely they will not be disqualified? Thankfully, Jehovah is the reader of hearts. However, if those who have taken upon themselves the responsibility to disseminate spiritual food to the Amaharets, and they feed falsehood, they will be judged severely, for obvious reasons. So really, we have nothing to be worried about. For the Amaharets and those "academics/scholars" who are pure in heart and motive it's a win win situation isn’t it?


 

Thank you, I can see that; but also it is good to keep in mind that John mentioned in his previous book,
“Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. By this we know that it is the last hour.  They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.  1 John 2:18,19
I believe it is possible that those who left were anointed ones, since he speaks to the anointed in the next verse.  1 John 2:20  These are the “false christs” and false prophets that Jesus warned would deceive, and “by their fruits” we would know them.  Matt 24:24; Matt 7:17-19
Teaching that the 144,000 have strictly a “heavenly hope”, and that Jesus would not return to the earth is a great apostasy. The GB is responsible for fostering this lie.  The true meaning of the “new creation” is lost; that of Christ, as well as the priesthood, walking and teaching among all of God’s children in human form on the earth, as well as serving the Father and Christ in heaven as spirit creatures.    Not only are the anointed deprived of truth about themselves, but so are the entire 8 million, and those who have died over the years.  I remember a friend lamenting that she would miss her anointed husband once in the Kingdom, understanding she would never see him again.  The “heavenly” vs. “earthly” class system have left many with a resentful feeling toward anointed ones; especially those leaving the organization. The anointed, as “firstfruits” inherit the earth and share this inheritance with the rest of mankind –the “Bride’s” spiritual children.  Gal 3:29; Rev 21:2; John 1:51; Zech 8:23; Rom 2:28,28; Luke 10:16; John 13:20
How the Wt. teaches Jesus’ return is only part of the tangled ball of yarn. This affects the New Covenant teaching as well.  By the anointed in charge choosing not to reveal truth about how Christ will be on earth with his Bride/priesthood, shows they are…“anti-Christ”.
 

Thanks Ann. The reason I wasn't explaining it again is that this mistake made me realize that the last two times I explained it carefully, that Allen wasn't paying attention. It's fine not to pay attention, that's anyone's choice, but I was simultaneously being ridiculed by Allen for supposedly not understanding and not reading carefully the last two times I pointed out this exact same point.
One time was in a discussion of Charles T. Russell misunderstanding the same point, evidently thinking that astronomers were saying there was a zero year, and thinking that he was therefore probably right in using the zero year to calculate 606 to 1914 as 2520 years. But he also used the potential difference to buy himself some flexibility in case 1914 didn't pan out as the start of Armageddon and the Great Tribulation and the Jewish repatriation of Palestine. Russell thought it might "buy some time" until 1915. As Russell said in the Watch Tower, December 1912, page 376, "The Ending of the Gentile Times."
If we count the first year B.C. as 0, then the date 536-1/4 B.C. is the proper one for the end of the seventy years of captivity. But if we begin to reckon it by counting the first year before the Christian era as B.C. 1, then evidently the desolation ended 535-1/4 years B.C. As to the methods of counting, Encyclopaedia Britannica says, "Astronomers denote the year which preceded the first of our era as 0 and the year previous to that as B.C. 1--the previous year B.C. 2, and so on." Whichever of these ways we undertake to calculate the matter the difference between the results is one year. The seventy years of Jewish captivity ended October, 536 B.C., and if there were 536-1/4 years B.C., then to complete the 2,520 years' cycle of the Times of the Gentiles would require 1913-3/4 years of A.D., or to October, 1914. But if the other way of reckoning were used, then there were but 535-1/4 years of the period B.C., and the remainder of the 2,520 years would reach to A.D., 1914-3/4 years, otherwise October, 1915. The other case was when both you and I pointed out to Allen that the lavia.org site is not fully reliable. (The lavia link was also provided by @Foreigner earlier in this thread.) In another thread ( https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/24592-the-superiority-of-jw-chronology/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-45134 ) Allen had ignored my earlier warnings about the site and assumed I had treated the whole thing as "reliable" and therefore somehow tied his own error to proof of apostasy in others!!
At any rate, just to show you are in good company @allensmith28, it was not only C.T.Russell, but this writer quoted below who made a similar, common mistake.
------quote from http://www.lavia.org/english/archivo/vat4956en.htm
Besides, as we can see on NASAÂ’s image, the eclipse of July 4th indicated in tablet VAT 4956, did not take place in 568 BC, but in 567 BC.
 
 
 

 
 
 
Therefore the correct calculation of the year in which Jerusalem was destroyed must be as follows:
       If 567 BC was the year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, the 19th year (18 complete years) was 586 BC.
37-18 = 19, 567 +19 = 586
Therefore Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC.

Yeah, yeah. Produce it, then.
 
@allensmith28 ...
@JW Insider is trying to tell you that there is a difference between astronomical year numbering and AD/BC or CE/BCE year numbering.
Common mistake.
 

You just showed the Saros for 609 BCE and 610 BCE. Common mistake.

Nothing has changed in my view. It's just that you showed a picture of a Saros cycle for 608 BCE and referred to it as if it were a picture for 607 BCE. Common mistake.

And that one is 568 B.C.E.
Also, are you really claiming that the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar is not biblical? Does the same thing hold true for the first year of Cyrus?

This image does not represent 607 B.C.E.  It's the picture for 608 B.C.E.

You're offended by being called the name of a small, orange fruit.
COJ never thought NBC 4897 an astronomical text, you donut. 
('Donut' - you can tell the gloves are coming off now!)

You're not making sense. Again.
VAT 4956 meets Saros cycle 59. None of your pictures display anything from Saros 59 and are thereby irrelevant to the lunar eclipse predicted on VAT 4956.
Um. NBC 4897 isn't an astronomical text, you kumquat. 

I’m not a Muslim, but I do believe Jesus will return in the flesh with his messenger/angels/144,000.
 “Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 2 John 1:7 CSB
(Check Wt’s Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures)
Could John be referencing the future coming of Christ in the flesh? The “many deceivers” were already well aware of Jesus Christ; thus, they knew he had been ‘in the flesh’ as a man; so possibly this refers to his future coming, or his ascension. At any rate, the Bible usage of “coming” defines it as coming and going.
“After he had said this, he was taken up as they were watching, and a cloud took him out of their sight.  While he was going, they were gazing into heaven, and suddenly two men in white clothes stood by them.  They said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up into heaven? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come (same word found in 2 John 1:7)  in the same way that you have seen him going into heaven.”  Acts 1:9-11
It gives full indication of Christ’s going and his future coming, in the same way – as the apostles saw him appear to them in the flesh after he was resurrected.  John 21:14; Mark 16:12  The apostle John was aware that Jesus said to Nathanael:
 “Do you believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree? You will see greater things than this.”  Then he said, “Truly I tell you, you will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”  John 1:50,51
Is mankind going to peer into heaven and view the angels (“144,000”) ascending and descending on Christ while in heaven?
Jacob saw a symbolic ladder/stairway in his dream:
“And he dreamed: A stairway was set on the ground with its top reaching the sky, and God’s angels were going up and down on it.“   Gen 28:12
Who are these messenger/angels?
“And they sang a new song:
You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slaughtered,
and you purchased[a] people[b]
for God by your blood
from every tribe and language
and people and nation.
You made them a kingdom
and priests to our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:9,10
“Priests” – “ For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should desire instruction from his mouth, because he is the messenger of the Lord of Armies.”  Mal 2:7
“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.”  1 Pet 2:9
Can you see that the “144,000” faithful priests to serve God and Christ as the Bride coming down from heaven, will be with Christ both in heaven and on earth? Rev 21:2  Both Christ and the Bride will be ascending into heaven and descending to the “ground” at various times. Rev 22:17,1,2   There is no other way to explain these two scriptures. 
The “new creation” of both human and spirit, which enables this to occur, was covered in our last conversation on this thread: https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/34048-why-doesnt-the-society-translate-and-provide-the-russian-court-transcripts-for-us/?page=10&tab=comments#comment-72045
 
The “man of lawlessness” which “sits” in the Temple of God - the replacing of the priesthood with the elder body/ false priesthood - performs the works of Satan “with all power, signs and lying wonders. 2 Thess 2:9  But, if you’ll remember, the true preaching work during the time of the end is to spiritual “Israel”. Matt.10:23; Isa.48:20; Jer.31:11  The scripture is there and can’t be ignored.   How has God accomplished his work in the past?  He has used few individuals to come against the majority – Elijah, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Amos, Jonah, etc. – the majority of His people.  1 Kings 19:3,4,9-18; Jer 1:4-10; Isa 6:6-13 As we have seen in the history of God’s people, Holy Spirit in an individual accomplished what was needed to get accomplished, and how it was said.  You seem to doubt the power of God? Is the power of the organization greater than the power of God? Rev 13:4,11-15  Do you doubt the Holy Spirit within an individual that leads them to truth in Christ?  Do you have to “see” great signs, or can you have faith that Jesus will lead each acceptable heart to truth?  
Rev 11 - Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God (the holy priesthood) and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 I will grantmy two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.”  Rev 11:1-3
“Two” represents truth.  Christ emboldens his “witnesses” with authority to expose lies. 2 Thess 2:7,8 These anointed ones and others who take up the call with them have been “killed”/disfellowshipped for refuting the GB’s/organization’s false teachings. Rev 11:7-10 Pretty hard to fathom since God has been quiet for a long while. Isa 42:14-25  Since the Temple has been trampled upon by the elder body; since it has been given over to the “Gentiles”/nations, since Revelation’s Beasts are found in the Wt., what’s next?  Matt 24:16; Rev 18:4-8
  We have the internet now, bringing news from around the world in an instant , Arauna.  One person blessed with God’s Spirit, can reach thousands.  Joining that one person, are many more.  Please, don’t forget that Jesus knows his sheep and will lead them to “living water” if they are truly searching for truth. Or have you forgotten this power?    Do you really believe that God is blessing a “preaching work” fraught with dark holes of empty, trashed, doctrine; (Col 2:8) and which rejects Christ’s anointed Body, favoring the “Gentile” elder body over God’s appointment?  Rejecting the anointed in the capacity they have been given, is rejecting Christ; which is a full indication of “anti-Christ”.  Heb 10:29
 “And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God.  For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. (Maybe Paul was OCD)  I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.  And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,  that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.”  1 Cor 2:1-5
Are you talking to me?  The only date I mentioned was 1914. 
I believe to Anna you said, "world events since 1914 has proven that it is a 'reality'."
Only in JW world.  You teach that the “birth of the Kingdom” (1914) came before the labor pains.    How do you account for such a phenomenon?
Jesus replied to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and they will deceive many. 
“As regards the Christian congregation, Jesus Christ is the only one rightly bearing the title “Leader,” because no imperfect human is the leader of true Christians; they follow Christ.” it-2 pp. 228-229
I totally agree.
“WHO is your leader?” That is a question often put to Jehovah’s Witnesses. And no wonder! In many religions, one man or one woman acts as leader, or chief. In contrast, we are proud to tell those who inquire that our Leader is not an imperfect human. Rather, we follow the lead of the resurrected Christ, who in turn follows the lead of his Father, Jehovah.—Matt. 23:10”.  Wt 2/17/ pp 18-22
Truth.  This is the truth that you “preach” at the door, right?  I came from a Catholic background and was convinced that this organization was not anything like the Catholic church, with a pope as head.  How wrong I was.
“As anointed Christians, the members of that slave “keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.” (Rev. 14:4) As we follow their direction, (lead) therefore, we follow our Leader, Jesus. Soon, he will lead us to everlasting life. (Rev. 7:14-17) And no human leader can promise that!  es18 pp. 88-97”
A transition is happening; from only Christ as our Leader, to a human leader promising that by following their direction - their lead -  one is following Christ.
“But we are acting against Jehovah’s purpose if we do not obey the faithful and discreet slave or if we choose to obey only what we think is important.” ws11 7/15 pp. 17-2
Following a faithful anointed one’s spiritual direction through scriptures, is one thing; but requiring strict obedience to the person, with consequences for not doing so, is blasphemy;  since Jesus is our only Master and Leader.  Could the GB be called a “false Messiah”?  Indeed!   “For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?” 1 Cor 3:4
Through Holy Spirit, we can discern what is truth and what is not, and no man can judge us according to another’s faulty doctrine. James 4:12  The Watchtower teaches madness, pure drunkenness, sourced from a Harlot’s cup. Rev 17:1,2  Occasionally, such as the above quotes, they show you both spectrums, then teach the lie.  Are you not still following humans that expect your obedience? 1 Cor 4:6,7 What other anointed one besides the GB has the assumed ability to spiritually “kill” through disfellowshipping for rejection of doctrine?  Rev 11:7; 13:11,14,15
6 You are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, because these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines[a] and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these events are the beginning of labor pains. Matt 24:4-8
I have given you proof through scriptures, which I wonder if you have even attempted to read.  You give me your rebuttal in words only.
 “And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,  that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” 1 Cor 2:4,5
“ For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.” 1 Cor 4:20
“These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.”  1 Cor 2:13
"So he answered me, "This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel:  'Not by strength or my might, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord of Armies"  Zech 4:6
Since the GB is not inspired, the organization relies on men's strength and might, not on Spirit - at least not God's Spirit.  Rev 16:13-16
  The “Great Crowd” has its’ own topic under Bible Discussion. 
“For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.  But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
This includes the GB whom you call "the slave" (as if Christ has only 7 "slaves")  and whom you feel cannot be challenged.
Do you realize you believe that the Watchtower exists in a “bubble” in Satan’s world, with full access to his “tool box”? And that you look for the signs of coming Kingdom of God to be fulfilled through Satan’s world?  Job 14:4; John 18:36; Matt 12:39
 
 
 

COJ's brief discussion of the NBC 4897 accounting tablet from the 4th edition of GTR. See p.131f.
COJ's detailed discussion of the NBC 4897 accounting tablet, where he mentions this: 
 
I've read both the van Driel/Nemet-Nejat and Zawadzki articles. The tablet confirms the standard NB chronology and that no extra kings and timeline chunks can be inserted anywhere between Nebuchadnezzar II and Neriglissar. 

You mean the 'quotation' consisting of two words: "seven times"? Nobody is disputing that Brown used that term in his exposition of Dan. 4 and the 2520 days. 
Well, you said something very similar in that 2012 email. I'll c&p my response:
P. 135 is online (link provided in previous post). It does not support the suggestion that Brown equated Dan. 4's 'seven times' period with Luke 21:24's 'Gentile times.' 
P. 208 is not yet online for everyone to see. All you have to do is produce a scan of p. 208 and prove your claim. Nearly 20 years of sitting on this, Neil - are you going to? I dares ya!