BillyTheKid46

Was there a judicial conclusion if you saw both sides make their argument? Even if you are not a vampire would I become you into my house, much less give you permission to kill me as you suggest.

This view goes beyond Christian life. So, I will not interact with silliness.

Whatever happened to the first defense for child abuse is their own parents. It seems parents just like the government decided to push that responsibility to the church. It’s silly to think that any religion would know the personal family life of individuals, just because they are Christian. I wonder who decided Christianity is like programming a robot.
I’d like to see the crystal ball that gives religion that ability. The day science can come up with the ability to read someone else mind, then it will be the fault of the reader for not saying something. Until then, we have to accept there will be some frivolous claims.
Are their victims, there are. But when victims contribute to their own circumstance, what then? Who becomes the victim when lawyers only see money? And prosecutors only see an easy win. And their not interested in the truth as it was with the Supreme Court confirmation hearing. Republicans were never really interested in the truth, just the notch on trumps belt. ?
Now that judge is going to decide on cases that he himself was accused of, that’s man’s judicial system at its best.
It’s funny how Trump supporters screamed innocent until proven guilty, without a judicial conclusion, yet the same mentality suggests guilty until proven innocent for the Watchtower. I do love a circus. ?

Wow! The most outrageous claim I have read to date. Children are being molested at every kingdom hall.
I guess we can compare that with society. Children are being molested at every nation, country of this world. We live in a world where anyone can say whatever they want and make it their truth. Works for me. ?
 

Lol! It would be an improvement from the downvote you started. The point being. Some of the Watchtower trials aren’t. The cluelessness comes from subversion, not the truth. Seems some subscribe to hocus-pocus to render a point. How is that not bogus?

I’m being a sport. Aside from the ones already offered, I don’t see things the way you do. When someone adds to scripture to benefit their understanding while not seeing the logic that makes up what is cannibalism, those thoughts are your own.
But you are right. The there is no reference to the word cannibal. So, enlarge the fonts all you want, it still won’t make it right in the eyes of God as a standard, since you wish to reject what is blood, hurting one another, killing, and dead flesh is stood for in scripture. Unless you consider afterbirth placenta to be live flesh.
Then, be a sport James and recite a Bible text that supports cannibalism.

Yep! Your right. Scripture doesn’t say anything about Cannibalism. I'm sure glad everyone tells the truth here.
1.       2 Kings 6:24-33 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
              The Siege of Samaria—Cannibalism
             2 Kings 6:24-33 Lexham English Bible (LEB)
             Besieged Samaria Resorts to Cannibalism
2.       Ezekiel 5 New International Version (NIV)
              God’s Razor of Judgment
3.       Leviticus 26:27-30
4.       Lamentations 2:16-21
5.       Jeremiah 19:7-10
6.       Deuteronomy 28:52-57
Murder is wrong. can it be extrapolated to be part of cannibalism if you kill to eat, unless you snort bath salt Just like that guy in Florida, attacked another person to start eating him alive?
https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/face-eating-cannibal-attack-latest-bath-salts-incident/story?id=16470389
1.       Exodus 20:13
2.       Leviticus 24:17
3.       Matthew 5:21
Now, people can get technical by suggesting they are referring to dead flesh. But can it be that scripture also refers to dead flesh? Deuteronomy 28:57
So, what kind of cannibalism is not referenced in the canonized bible? I wonder if drinking human blood is considered cannibalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cannibalism
I wonder what jiminy cricket would say. But wait, none of this has to do with cannibalism, never mind. ?

I have the time and I make the time. If you noticed, there  is a certain amount of time I am on and other times I am absent.
Ah, using the word "stupid" now are we.... I it makes me question if I am dealing with a grown man or a mere child. I guess the term in application should the obvious, especially with the little smiley face at the end, so therefore, I know the type cryptic person I am dealing with. Your a grown man, that word is beneath you, or is that so.
That being said, whenever it is not something technical, I spend most of my time at a Boys and Girls Club, helping the little ones, of which last time you assume you need to be a doctor or some sort to help out.... An absurd claim, on your part.

That's pretty much what is being talked about all over the place. But when people speak up, disgruntled ones will also speak and they will attack.
Not all former JWs are on a warpath like their counterparts, but those that are on a warpath will be going nowhere.

These amounts are generally reduced upon appeal and sometimes thrown out entirely, as was the previous record-holder. The much ballyhooed $4000 a day penalty imposed by some court, which ultimately became a substantial sum, was thrown out by a higher court as judicial overreach, just as @AllenSmith34, practically alone as I recall, said. In that regard, although chased around so much that he had to employ 100 aliases, though nobody else suffers too much for being offensive, he proved himself the MVP of the forum.
Nevertheless, I would never say that they are nothing, nor that they do not add up. Time will tell. It may be that our version of truth will prevail in time and not yours. Will Jehovah go to bat for those who, to the best of their ability, carry out his will? If he does, it will be like putting his finger on the scales. So substantial is his finger that whoever sits on the opposite scale goes hurtling off into oblivion.
To the extent that you succeed in your goal you impede the most selfless and efficient disaster relief program the world has known. Will God allow that? Time will tell. 
Please don't carry on about 'they only help fellow Witnesses.' The reason that they only (for the most part) help fellow Witnesses is that they are mostly volunteers using vacation time, and cannot do everyone. The best they can to is to set an example in selflessness that others can follow, if their heart moves them. So far, their example is not followed by others, who prefer established charities where everyone must be paid and sometimes unbelievable waste occurs. Such as here:
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-red-cross-raised-half-a-billion-dollars-for-haiti-and-built-6-homes
This is the model you have chosen, John. Half a million dollars. Almost all of it flushed down the toilet. Embrace it, John. It's yours. JTR too, I think, for he has also waxed enthusiastic over the prospect that the JW relief work may be slowed.

I would imagine the JW Org have a lot less money than they did ten years ago.
In the UK at least people are generally poorer and i don't think many act like 'the widow' Jesus spoke about. I would think most give out of their 'surplus wealth', not give their all. Even if some do act as that widow did, it wouldn't amount to much in pure cash terms. 
And with all the legal goings on Earthwide I would think the Org are fast losing money. 
However they are selling Kingdom Halls by the dozen it seems and even larger properties of course, so money is coming in. 
As to how rich money wise they are, probs only the GB really know  

I managed to torpedo even that. After the paragraphs carrying on and on about Tom’s misguided suspicions, I raised my hand and said: ‘In hindsight I was embarrassed over the whole thing, and I’m glad that I didn’t blow the brother in.’

Ok, thanks for feeling I'm being genuine.
( Now for anyone else reading this please note, I am answering a comment. I am not ranting on about Child Abuse again as some say i do. I am giving me viewpoint as an answer to Anna. Even though i know i will get accused of 'playing the same old record'. )
Now. You wrote. "The demand for those documents by Zalkin was a farce and was eventually overturned" 
So you are admitting 'those document 'exist. 
Are we talking here about twenty years worth of Child Abuse Accusations Documents concerning the USA ? 
Are we talking about Child Abuse accusations that were never reported to the Police ? 
In my honest opinion i don't think the American government or FBI give a damn. The JW Org is not a threat to them so they don't care. 
JW Org is in America still because America  is probably the best country for 'freedom' of religion. Basically they can almost say and do what they want in the USA. (Compare to Russia for instance).
But that is all besides the point.  Jesus said 'if they ask for your outer garment give them you inner garment also'  'If you are conscripted to walk a mile, then walk two miles'. In other words always give more than you have to. 
IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT WORLDLY LAW. It should be about serving God properly.  Can you not understand that ?
Well obviously the GB don't understand it... 
Your message was about one isolated case. I am talking about Earthwide. 
Here is a link which gives some info about what happened here in the UK. But you probably won't believe it. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/jehovahs-witnesses-charity-drops-attempts-to-block-abuse-inquiry
The JW Org here in the UK spent over two years trying to block the Charity Commission's investigation. WHY?
And then it seems it never was a 'full' investigation. So what did the JW Org hold back, we will probably never know. 
Again your write :- 
Trust me, the GB are not too frightened to cooperate with police and official bodies.
So why oh why don't they fully cooperate with all the investigations Earthwide ? 
I could write much more and probs' give you a hundred links, but it would serve no use. You think that your GB are wonderful men and serving God properly.  I think the opposite. We must just agree to differ.
And yes i am genuine.  

Hankulan Tunani:
I have no agenda other than to try to get people to think correctly, and without examining all the scriptures you quoted  for hard data, context and possible nuances, let me state that it is my understanding that Jehovah's viewpoint on matters and human viewpoints ... their cultural squeamishness and self imposed taboos ... are QUITE DIFFERENT.
As a classic example, it is my understanding that John the Baptist ate LOCUSTS, beut let me tell you dis in no uncertoin toirms I AIN'T EATIN' NO LOCUSTS !
No Way! No How!
Absolutely NOT!
Ain't gonna happen ... unless ... unless ... ( there is almost always an "unless" ...) I have not eaten in four or so days.
 I used to HATE liver ... but one day in Los Angeles, after not having eaten for four days, I found a quarter in some old clothes, and from a street vendor on Vine Street bought a small bag of fried liver.  This was 50 years ago, and I remember that morning in exquisite detail.
The point I am trying to make is this: 
Many things we love, or abhor, Jehovah God has no opinion on whatsoever.
It's "how we were raised", etc.
The Bible MENTIONS cannibalism as something that occurred, several times.
Jehovah Laments that it "came to that" when Jerusalem was under siege by enemies and was being starved into submission.
But unless you can show me a clear and unambiguous direct scripture where Jehovah God specifically FORBADE cannibalism ....
HE DID NOT!
We have an obligation to adopt Jehovah's Standards .... NOT OUR OWN ... when it comes to serious things such as an almost universal human taboo .... OTHERWISE in other more common experiences .. we load heavy burdens on the Brotherhood that are nothing more than "how we were raised" ... which varies from time to time, and from place to place, and dishonors Jehovah God by making him a hand puppet when we are supplying the words!
If you can show me from Jehovah's own specific words about cannibalism that he DID specifically forbid it .. I will instantly change my viewpoint, admit here that I was wrong, and beg your humble pardon.
The burden is on you to show me I am wrong, not that I am a Barbarian, which I freely admit to.
When we "go beyond the things written", it dishonors Jehovah God by making him a false religious hand puppet where we threaten others by invoking the authority of God, where we are supplying the words! ....  and creates a tyranny of the Brotherhood. 
As to your other point ... Jehovah has clearly and unambiguously prohibited the use of blood for sustaining human life.  Many times, OT and NT.
Be a sport!
Give me one exact, unambiguous, contextually accurate specific scripture where God has FORBIDDEN cannibalism, and post it here for all to read and learn from.
 
 
 
 
 

Somehow he is coming up with temptation. If anything, Peter himself sees the situation as a complete injustice against Jesus, only then Jesus taught him and the other a vital lesson.
But in Srecko's eyes, Peter seeing injustice is somehow temptation - of which still remains to be seen.

Caiaphas had sent soldiers to go after and arrest Christ Jesus during nightfall. Jesus was very aware of this, so during his final meal with his apostles, he asked them to get some swords. 2 would be used, and Jesus had them get the swords so he can teach them a vital lesson, which brings us to Luke 22:36-38 (moneybags [a purse] is also mentioned but last we talked you didn't believe they carried any). Later that night, one of the apostles, Peter, used a sword to attack a member of the mob that came for Jesus for he himself knew of the injustice that was taking place, read, John 18:10.Due to this, we see Jesus say to Peter, for he told him to return his sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword, read Matthew 26:52, 53. This is the vital and yet powerful lesson Jesus taught that was in harmony within  what Jesus prayed about earlier that night, hence the term, they must be no part of the world (John 17:16).
What Peter did was not for him to make, but anything in regards to fighting such an injustice belongs to and is left to God.
Sostar... The cross references even points to the very lesson Jesus was trying to teach. How did you miss that? You when to Biblegateway and it shows you there also.
To show them a lesson which is in harmony with what he prayed about the night before. The cross-references even tell you.
Not advice, a lesson. The other Apostles were also present when Jesus spoke, hence the talk about money bags/purse and food pouches.
YHWH's Law and Jesus Law? You do realize Jesus is a mediator of the New Covenant, the very Law of which Paul addresses in a symbolic term as the Free Woman in direct reference to Sara or did you forget the Biblical Facts addressed to you in the last discussion?

sinners ......first thing came to me in this moment........
....then we can count some other attributes too......................

Ohh Allen, Do you really want to say how i am the one who put you in temptation and dragged you in this discussion?? :))))) 

I think we have argument in Bible report about last night when Jesus said this:
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That’s enough!” he replied.

AllenSmith:
When evil men under cover of a disaster such as hurricane Florence are looting your home, or terrorizing your family, or killing them ... please feel free to give them a scripture, or a nice cone of ice cream.
My response, if I can manage it, will be QUITE different.
I will read a nice scripture to the survivors ... if any.

I understand everything you say. Don't get me wrong, I was never agreeing with this video, in fact I think it's one of the worst videos WT has ever made. What I was doing was refuting what someone said, about love being switched on and off. It isn't. The love is still there, and a lot of heartache for the parents who believe this is the right thing to do for the benefit of their child. 
Like you say, no situation is the same. I have reasons to believe the scenario in the video was based on actual events. I know of a very similar one myself. However, as you say, this video does not take into account any other circumstances that could happen in real life. For that reason  I think it is a dangerous video, especially for someone who  is bound to do things unquestioningly. I am hoping most parents who know their child well, and who are in a similar circumstance, will know how to act so that a tragedy does not happen.

Jesus is also prepared to kill ... Armageddon will be a slaughter from one end of the Earth to the other end of the Earth.
...for the same reason a National Guardsman kills when called upon .... to protect the innocent.
The only difference is ... the National Guardsman is doing it NOW!

AllenSmith:
We are obviously talking about two different things.
I do not expect National Guardsman to consider anything but to protect and serve according to their sworn oath, and sometimes to protect the innocent and enforce the Laws of the Land, they have to use FORCE.
You cannot enforce laws with using FORCE, or the assured EXPECTATION of force.
Including deadly force, when the Bad Guys are stupidly mucking about.

Stephen Lett quote: "We are supposed to comply with or obey what they tell us. Of course that would be with a proviso unless they tell us to do something that is unscriptural. And of course that would be extremely rare. "
Rare or not but Mr Lett clearly said that GB from time to time tells  members something that in fact  is Unscriptural!
 

Please all who have magazines and publication that are quoted here to send me confirmation about authenticity.  
“The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man’s creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man’s existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man’s existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee Sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God’s part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the Sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man’s existence.” Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God 1966 pp.26-30
  “Does God’s rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man’s existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the “time of the end”.”Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20   Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then.” Kingdom Ministry 1968 Mar p.4
“The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment.” Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272
 
“Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the Sabbath like thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.” Watchtower 1968 Aug 15 p.499
“The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the “last days” have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13
 
“Many schools now have student counselors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any “future” this world offers is no future! Wisely, then, let God’s Word influence you in selecting a course that will result in your protection and blessing. Make pioneer service, the full-time ministry, with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service your goal. This is a life that offers an everlasting future!” Watchtower 1969 Mar 15 p.171
“If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not?Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
“And now, as the year 1975 opens up, some thousands of the anointed remnant, still alive on this earth, look ahead to realizing that joyful prospect. The increasing “great crowd” of their sheep like companions look forward with them to entering the New Order without interruption of life. In the New Order Jehovah God will add to the “length of days” of the anointed remnant on earth to the point of satisfying the members thereof. It remains to be seen whether they will be yet retained here on earth to see the start of the resurrection of the earthly dead and to meet faithful witnesses of ancient, pre-Christian times. They would enjoy that, before being taken off the earthly scene to the heavenly reward with Christ.” Watchtower 1974 Dec 15 p.766
“Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.” Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?
“Today there is a great crowd of people who are confident that a destruction of even greater magnitude is now imminent. The evidence is that Jesus’ prophecy will shortly have a major fulfillment, upon this entire system of things. This has been a major factor in influencing many couples to decide not to have children at this time.” Awake! 1974 Nov 8 p.11

Then you must be part of that group that read between the lines (tea leaves) and only paid attention to rumors rather than what the Watchtower message was actually conveying.

The fact that you would mention being there as though your words are golden? Doesn’t prove a thing. I would say, many former witnesses say the same thing with various misleading publications. Some posted here without the proper context. Many of us were around back then. When 5 people, see the same accident? you eventually get different stories. This is why there are investigators to sort that information out, to get to the truth. This is where the investigator separates facts from fiction. Undoubtedly, something that can't see said here with reasoning.