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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JW Insider in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    I don't think it falls under the same issue as adding and taking away from the scroll of Revelation. Bias in translation is a well known feature of the "art" of translation. It's not a science as JTR says. Scholarly JWs have admitted that it's a common problem to include bias (as to meaning/interpretation) within the supposed confines of accurate translation. If a word can mean both during or at, and you believe the Parousia is 105+ years long, then you would say something happens during the parousia/presence. If you believe it is a future event that might only last a day or a few days, then you would translate "at" the parousia/presence. If you really believe that the meaning can only be conveyed by adding a bit of the previous verse into the next verse, then this could also be from "bias" as to interpretation.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    .... somewhat like being a concert pianist with eight long fingers on each hand.
    ...if only the extras were connected to the brain.
    ....sigh.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JW Insider in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    You are wrong again. But that is not unusual. You have a terrible track record when you make such assumptions. I accept and appreciate the many scholarly opinions that support the accuracy and value of the NWT. I do not even support all the opinions of those scholarly works that I referenced. In many cases their opinions about the accuracy or inaccuracy of certain passages are colored by their own theological bias.
    I didn't state this. Again, you completely make up things that I supposedly stated. As you can see I stated nothing like this and nothing even related to this. And furthermore I don't believe it's a problem to revise based on newly found evidence. Why would anyone?
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Srecko Sostar in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    Ohh, sorry JW Insider, but they had not needed to made specific naming, numbering was/were some specific work, action and move that organization and leading people inside it had made, was been spirit-directed. ....
    Because..... the whole organization with all guardians of doctrine who has made approval, gave green light for, of every Bible edition ......  is spirit-directed......supposedly.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JW Insider in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    Then you are right back to the points you were making with Outta Here about whether "spirit-directed" means the same as "inspired."
    This is a big topic to explore:
    It would be easy to imagine that the two words mean the same thing. We wouldn't be surprised at all if we looked up "inspired" in any dictionary and found one of the definitions to be "directed by the Holy Spirit" and perhaps another to be "directed by evil spirits." In fact the expression "borne along by holy spirit" in the Bible means inspired. Some translations say "carried along by Holy Spirit." The NWT now says:
    (2 Peter 1:21) . . .For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.
    The word translated "moved" refers to "being driven" (in fact the German word fuhren, to drive or to be conducted, is allied with the Greek word phero used here). If you conduct something, like a cow through a field, you are directing that cow. If you are blowing wind into the sails of a toy boat, you are driving or conducting or directing that boat. So being moved by holy spirit means being spirit directed, and here, it also means inspired.
    In our definitions among JWs, we treat the idea of spirit and holy spirit a lot more passively than the NT does.  We no longer say that a specific person is spirit directed. Only that the organization as a whole is spirit directed.
    There was a time when "we" (Bible Students and early Jehovah's Witnesses) might even say that Russell or Rutherford was spirit directed. But we didn't stop there. We even thought that Russell was himself spirit directing the Society after he died. (Therefore he could even write a book post-humously and be considered the author, even though only about half of what was in there was actually based on his own earlier writings.) A woman could be spirit-directed in writing a book supposedly directed by one of the fallen angels who came down before the Flood of Noah's day. With a few corrections, her book could be re-packaged, promoted and sold through the Watch Tower Society. Just a few years ago Brother Herd from the Governing Body recommended the book as interesting reading after he found it in the Bethel Library.
    A politician in England who agreed with Rutherford could be considered to be have the spirit of the Old Testament prophets, and be a prophet just like Rutherford was considered to be. There was no shame in stating that Rutherford had the spirit of the Old Testament prophets. There was no shame in stating that Russell was the "angel of the church of Laodicea" the "seventh messenger" of Revelation, and that he was personally the "faithful and wise servant" who provided food to the domestics at the proper time.
    Then, in Rutherford's day, there were those "flashes of light" in Jehovah's temple. Not always considered to have been from Holy Spirit, but at least considered to have been directed from angels. We considered "1935" and the new understanding of the "great multitude" (great crowd) to be one of those flashes of light in God's holy temple, and we considered the new understanding that the "higher powers"/"superior authorities" were no longer the secular authorities to be another of those "flashes of light." But then we changed our view on the latter "flash" completely (180 degrees), and changed many of our views on 1935 too.
    The Watchtower publications have explicitly stated that they do not feel that the translation (NWT) is inspired. But (and this is mostly for John and Billy) the Watchtower has found scholarly support for the translation in general. See here for example:
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/new-world-translation-accurate/
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    Literalness. Unlike paraphrased translations, the New World Translation renders words literally as long as doing so does not result in awkward wording or hide the thought of the original writings. Translations that paraphrase the Bible’s original text may insert human opinions or omit important details.
    Um, I think this has been disproved. I think the word BIAS comes in somewhere. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    It would be useless for me to ask you for any facts to back up that statement, Billy, as we BOTH already know there aren't any .... as does everyone else reading your Phineas T. Bluster blusters .... so I will just make this conciliatory comment ...
    "Why Billy, I did not know you were a student of mine!".
     
     
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Srecko Sostar in Ten men out of ... the nations ... will take firm hold of the robe of a Jewish man   
    Yes, of course. I will prepare some thoughts and make a new topic, so we can, if you like, make some discussion and to hear also what other people think about it.  
    You already used in this comment few interesting thoughts.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Quote BTK " Since you think everyone at the Org is a potential pedophile..."
    I think everyone on this Earth has the potential to be a pedophile or a murderer, or a thief and much more. 
    I think the Elders that hide the pedophiles are just as guilty as the pedophiles themselves. 
    I think the GB / directors / bosses / Lawyers of W/t & JW Org are just as guilty for creating the mechanisms for hiding pedophiles in the W/t and JW Org. 
    I think that anyone inside or outside the W/t & JW Org that hides pedophiles or hides information about pedophiles in the W/t & JW Org, are just as guilty of the Child Sexual Abuse in those organisations. 
    And I've said on this blog many times I TRUST NO HUMAN. I would put more trust in animals. 
    Quote BTK "Yet, its funny how some within agree with opposers."
    Billy I'm sure you know that a lot of people are only in those crap organisations (W/t & JW Org) because they have too much to lose, materially, emotionally, mentally.  They have families, 'friends', businesses, status, position, pride, and much more, and it would all come tumbling down if they had the guts to leave the Org / W/t. 
    Do you really think there are 8.5 million servants of JW Org ? Dream on Billy. There may be 8.5 million in that 'club' physically but they are not all in it spiritually.  If you go on 'other' websites you will know that. 
    Many witnesses openly admit that they are physically in / mentally-spiritually out. Well I suppose it's a good way to stay up to date with the latest lies from the GB. 
    But you and James seem so violent in your minds and your words... 
    I do not have to kill anyone to protect my grandchildren. :)  I do have some mental balance, though I don't know why. 
    A person does not have to go to war to see violence and perversion and emotional destruction. Many people including myself have seen and felt enough of it. That's why i don't want to see it happen to innocent children. 
    But the GB / W/t / JW Org / Elders, do not care enough yet. 
    And I do wonder by your comments BTK, if you are a p................................ 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    .... my scoped rifle is a back-packable breakdown .22 caliber, with a range of about 200 yards.
    YOURS is a scoped .50 calibre sniper rifle, capable of shooting 4 miles, and with an effective range of about 3/4 of a mile.
    ..... reminds me of two Brothers with the same names, on an Ohio bridge, peeing into the river below.
    JTR: "Wow, that water is really cold!"
    BTK: "Yeah, and deep, too!"
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    ... that's why Americans, with their bodies and their blood, with fire and steel, had to save your English butts TWICE, from the Germans.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Stop being so American James, not everyone on this planet Earth wants 'to go to war'. 
    It's about being as cautious as serpents I thought  :)  Not being a rogue elephant. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    If you are still planning to "go to war", you will need more resolve, grit, and ACTION. 
    Make some guesses and follow up until they fall apart, or are verified.
    COMPILE information.
    To do that, first you have TO GO GET IT.
    Perhaps your wife will (because of your circumstances ..) will have to make the phone calls.
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Love Never Fails.
    ... and you don't need three days and 20 videos to explain it.
    Remember the Elders that counseled Job for three days?  After three days they had said NOTHING of value, worth recording in what later became Scripture.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    I don't know, but I'd need more info on him like his previous address I think. His name is quite basic so could be many men with the same name. I don't know his age either other than my wife says he's old and looks around 60. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Matthew9969 in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Over here in the U.S. we have a national sex offender list that anyone can see for free. It's a list of men or women who have raped children. Do you have the same there?
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Didn't JW turn to a child, in one of his films and say  ' You're what this war is all about ' 
    And something like ' Get off ya horse n drink ya milk'  
    In my second marriage we had a son and I almost named him Wayne, as my name being John, John (and) Wayne.
    But i thought it was too much Hero worship which we are told is a sin. :) 
     
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to Anna in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Yes. 
    But there is absolutely  nothing wrong with your wife approaching your daughter with concerns about this 'brother', as suggested by TTH:
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    My other considered opinion ( and it's worth every cent you paid for it ...) John, is that you have a SERIOUS, almost fatal  deficiency of John Wayne movies.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Everybody that is a busybody does not think so ... in their own minds.
    Was it Shakespeare in "Henry V" that told of King Henry walking among his soldiers in disguise, at night, to listen to their campfire talk, in the unwarranted invasion of France, and one soldier said to another " I hope our Sovereign is doing the right thing, as we have to obey him, but he will answer to God for what we do, here" (heavily paraphrased from memory ....)
    Or, as Yoda said "There is only do ...or do not.   There is no try!"
    (My advice is ...)  Either GO TO WAR ... OR RETIRE FROM THE FIELD !
    If you do decide to go to war ... be prepared to lose, badly.
    THERE IS ONLY ONE EXCUSE FOR BEING A "BUSYBODY" !
    ..... if you win.
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    He might be, he might not be. But I'm just grandad that is left on the sidelines and I suppose it looks as if I'm bitter about it. 
    So do I just mind my own business, or is it my business ? 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Sure ... just type his full name and anything else you know about him into google, and for about $30, you can know almost everything there is to know about him.
    Be careful which firm you choose ... about 60% of them are scams.
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    OK, I know some people will not like this and they will call it gossip but my wife and I are worried about it so it needs to aired out.
    We have one daughter that is still a JW. i will call her H.  She is married to a non JW. She has 4 children.
    This daughter does not seem to recognise any dangers at all about her children. She invites anyone to her house without really knowing who they are or anything about their past.
    3 of the children are girls and they attend ballet and tap dance lessons. They are only young, the oldest being around 8 years old. 
    Today they were in a performance /show in Exeter, a biggish show that their teacher was putting on for all parents, grandparents, etc. 
    I wasn't allowed to go of course as I'm a 'naughty boy' that left the Org.
    My wife went to the show and was surprised to find two 'brothers' there.
    One of the 'brothers' is a young single Elder and the other 'brother' is an old man that has recently been reinstated and moved into Honiton congregation.  
    This older man frequently visits H and her daughters at their home and the girls call him Uncle Phil. He seems very 'friendly' toward the girls.
    H does not know where this 'brother' is from but he is now part of the Honiton Congregation which H and her children attend, here in Devon. 
    It seems strange to me that this man has just arrived at Honiton Congregation and just been reinstated. My wife says he has a London accent. 
    If I were still a JW I would ask him bluntly why he was disfellowshipped and where he is from, but of course I cannot do that now.
    I have his full name, so is there any way i can run a check on him ? 
    Should i contact an Elder at Honiton Congregation and tell them of the concern my wife and I have ? 
    If this 'brother' had been involved in a child abuse accusation would they have told H about it so that she could be on her guard ? 
    Some on here may think I'm just trying to cause trouble, but my wife came home this evening and is looking very worried. 
    It seems that H had invited both 'brothers' to the meal afterward and my wife felt unhappy about the whole situation. 
    TTH will probably bring out the rule book again and say 'it never happens', but child abuse does happen and needs to be looked for all the time. 
    Our daughter H seems to have no idea about the situations that have taken place, and in honesty she doesn't want to know. So how can my wife warn her ?  
     
     
     
     
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to JOHN BUTLER in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    If and when we see them abuse their authority, we can point it out as Paul often did, 
    I like this. There were times when an Elder would give me a headache / chew my ear off I think is an expression, and i would simply say to him,  'Show me three scriptures to back up what you are saying, or go away'.  They would walk away.
    One of the points regularly was not wearing a jacket and tie in hot weather. In my opinion neither God nor Christ demanded it. 
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    BillyTheKid46 reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Every once in a great while, you will find an excellent Doctor , who is exceptional, but he never went to medical school and does not have a license to practice.  Several movies have been made about this sort of thing, wither about doctors, policemen, and even airline pilots.
    Take whatever lessons you want from this observation.
     
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